Hello Everyone
My name is Scott and i am from the company Hand in Hand Distribution in the UK. We have been working very closely with the guys at 2box, and have been involved with the project from day one.
There is a lot of speculation flying around at the moment, with regards to the DrumIt Five on other forums. Bengt at 2box sent us over a link to the new forum, and we thought it could be a good time to answer any questions that people might have.
So if anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask, and we will do our best to answer them.
Congrats on the new forum, hopefully it can grow in to a nice community :)
Regards
Scott
Hi Scotti
Great initiative to do this
There's only one question which intrigues us all: WHEN ?
Hi puttenvr
I know this has been a question that everyone has been wondering. The release date has slipped a few times now, and we understand how frustrating this must be. We have been involved in the project from the start, which is coming up to 3 years now, and have seen it evolve from general ideas, to concept renders to actual hardware.
I truly think that if people realised just how much work goes in to something like this, they would think twice about starting a project of this size.
As people are probably aware 2box is a very small team at the moment, and there is only so much work that can be achieved. I know that they have literally been working around the clock to get the product here (as i have had many a conversation with Bengt at gone midnight!), but they wont compromise when it comes to quality, and there were a few bits that the team weren't happy with, so there were design tweaks that took place. We could have released the kits as they were, but we really do want to deliver something that will blow the end user away, and push the electronic drum market forward.
But i am please to say that we have everything now apart from the drum unit, which we should receive next week. The final hardware that we have here is looking great, and feels very natural to play! So for an ETA i would say that we are looking at the next 10 days for them to be in store. If we hear anything different to this, then we will let you know asap right here.
We would like to thank you all for your patience with this. I truly believe that once people play DrumIt Five, they will see just how much passion has gone in to this kit, and it will only get even better over time.
Thanks
Scott
Hello Scott,
I'm from Morecambe and mines on order with Promenade Music. I have actually have rang you a few times regarding the drumit, sorry for the hassle! I think it'll be arriving when I'm on holiday by the sounds of it. Something to look forward to when I get back.
I'm proper excited about this. I actually bought a Ddrum4SE 6 months ago to replace my TD 20, but the archaic software meant none of the signature sounds that I wanted would go on to the module, due to me been on Vista. It ended up going back. I hadn't heard of the drumit five back then.
I think it's best to wait and have a system that will really be great/reliable. I have been without drums for a few months now and am developing withdrawal symptoms! Haha.
I now have a Mac and assume that the Drumit five will be ok with this? I think I have read that it will be.
Is the idea to be able to put any drum sample on to the module, so eventually, a sample of a Yamaha Maple custom kit could be loaded on to the module etc?
Many Thanks
Tim
Hi Tim, thanks for joining in. While I can't say I approve of your choice of computer (:P) you'll be glad to know you'll be well catered for as the Drumit software is dual-format. There's a bit of info on the software interface on page 3 of the 2box brochure (http://www.2box.se/Downloads/DrumIt_five_brochure_small.pdf) which states:
QuoteCreate your own kits: The Drumit 5 editor allows you to build and create your own sound's. The software is designed to work with PC's and Mac's and is included with the Drumit 5 unit. The initial program will allow you to drag and drop sounds onto the various symbols in the editor to create your own personal kit. With a few clicks of a mouse, you will be able to adjust tuning, levels and panning. You will then be able to simply save the kit within your computer or send it to the Drumit 5 unit via the USB connector.
In the next revision of software ( to follow shortly ) there will be the provision to allow the drummer to drag and drop any Wave, Aiff or Rex files into the editor page. It will be possible to make your own multi level sound or just download loops straight into the Drumit 5 unit
It's the REX support that I'm eagerly awaiting - I produce trip-hop, downtempo, ambient dub tunes and whatnot, and I've got a pretty big library of REX loops - Recyle (http://www.propellerheads.se/products/recycle/) just eats up WAVs and AIFs and spits out ready-sliced hits as a REX file. It's almost too easy :D
Well, some people don't like Macs, but they are so much more reliable then Windows. Within 3 months I haven't had it crash on me once, which was unheard of with my other Vista laptop. ;D
I'm really just wanting a realistic acoustic sounding kit. The TD 20 just didn't have the sounds that I wanted, they just sounded too "electronic", and the COSM wasn't very convincing for me personally.
I was only kidding - some of my best friends use Macs - and anyway, Vista doesn't count (it's in the same slop bucket as Windows ME :))
Hi Tim
No problem at all with the calls, that is what we are here for :) Good choice with Promenade Music, they are a great store.
The idea will be that you can load any sound that you want in to the Unit. The files types that can be used are: wav, aiff and rex files. The unit has 4GB of on-board flash memory, so you have a very good size storage to play with.
At the Frankfurt Musikmesse show we had DW and Yamaha kits loaded in to the Unit, so you wouldn't have any problems loading a custom sample of a Yamaha Maple kit in.
The editor for the Unit will not be available as soon as the DrumIt Five ships. This will be a download off of the 2box website that will follow shortly after. I am hoping that we can give you a more solid release date very soon. This will be available for PC and Mac.
Thanks
Scott
Hello Scott,
Thank you for following up with us here. Getting info has been spotty at times. I was curious is there is anything in the works to release the kit in the US or if Hand in Hand will ship one here? As a long time Ddrum user I've been eagerly following the product.
Sincerely,
Cliff
I have the same question about US distribution. Is this certain that the hardware is here already and the modules are almost ready? We have heard this a number of times and are hoping they will really be available soon.
Can they make some demos of the most mix friendly kits with grooves? I still have not been able to tell how the kits sounds from the videos. I am very interested in it,and need to know how well it will work in a band setting.
Peter
Quote from: drumbeats2003 on July 17, 2009, 09:12:15 PM
Hello Scott,
Thank you for following up with us here. Getting info has been spotty at times. I was curious is there is anything in the works to release the kit in the US or if Hand in Hand will ship one here? As a long time Ddrum user I've been eagerly following the product.
Sincerely,
Cliff
Hi Cliff
With regards to the US, there are plans in place and we will be able to start giving out more details very soon. Sorry i can't give anymore information at this time, but rest assured things are moving forward with the US.
Quote from: petercatherine on July 19, 2009, 06:31:40 PM
I have the same question about US distribution. Is this certain that the hardware is here already and the modules are almost ready? We have heard this a number of times and are hoping they will really be available soon.
Can they make some demos of the most mix friendly kits with grooves? I still have not been able to tell how the kits sounds from the videos. I am very interested in it,and need to know how well it will work in a band setting.
Peter
Hi Peter
The details i have given about the hardware and modules is 100% correct, i have the production hardware sitting in front of me. Please be aware that this is not the same for the US though. We will be giving out more details soon on when it will be shipping.
New media will be available for the DrumIt Five. As you can probably imagine the team is currently flat out with other things at the moment, what with the launch of the kit so close now.
Once the new media is here i will give you a heads up on when it will be added to the website.
Have you heard the sound demo on the 2box website: http://www.2box.se/Downloads/Drumsolo.mp3 this should give you an idea of how the kit sounds, my opinion though is that it is sounding even better now.
The team at 2box have a long history when it comes to products that are used by the performing musician, so the DrumIt Five will perform very well no matter what situation you would like to use it in.
Regards
Scott
Quote from: Scottie on July 20, 2009, 09:25:00 AM... i have the production hardware sitting in front of me. Please be aware that this is not the same for the US though.
The US will have different hardware ? ;)
Quote from: puttenvr on July 20, 2009, 01:20:12 PM
Quote from: Scottie on July 20, 2009, 09:25:00 AM... i have the production hardware sitting in front of me. Please be aware that this is not the same for the US though.
The US will have different hardware ? ;)
Hi puttenvr
I should have been a bit more clear with what i was trying to say there. The US doesn't have any hardware sitting there at the moment. All hardware will be the same, just different voltages. ;D
Hi Scottie,
You're talking about different voltage.
Is the DrumitFive 100-240V compatible?
Thx.
Hey guys
Just to let you know that we are waiting for UPS to turn up today, with a new memory card which has the latest OS and new sounds loaded on it. We have our pre-production Unit open and waiting for it to be installed ;D really excited to have a play around with some of the production sounds.
Our stock Units (modules) are being collected today from Sweden, so we should have them early next week....almost there now!!
Thanks
Scott
Quickly took a few pictures of the production hardware for you. As you can see the pads still have their protective film on them.
Please note that the unit on this kit is from our pre-production one.
(http://www.handinhand.uk.net/pics/DrumIt_pic1.jpg)
(http://www.handinhand.uk.net/pics/DrumIt_pic3.jpg)
(http://www.handinhand.uk.net/pics/DrumIt_pic2.jpg)
Sorry for the quality of the pics, i took them on my phone, but i wanted to get you all some pictures ;D
Scott
They look f*cking fantastic.
Those look great! You know, that orange color looks pretty good. It kind of reminds me of the old Ddrum red. That bold "here I am, look at me" type look. :)
Quote from: Hellfire on July 22, 2009, 02:51:47 PM
Those look great! You know, that orange color looks pretty good. It kind of reminds me of the old Ddrum red. That bold "here I am, look at me" type look. :)
yes man thats right this set looks cool also i like the colour!!!
Hi Scott,
As you mention getting the new sounds, I was curious about some of the sound details. I come from both a drumming & engineering background and was wondering what approach was taken in detailing sound. For example the ddrum 4 listed many of the drums as to company and series (tama artstar II, ludwig bb, ect), while packages like oceanway drums takes the more tech approach by detailing what mic was used, placement, ect. Any idea what route 2box is taking? I remember ddrum 4 was sampled using a Neve Capricorn digital console which probably would have been better served on an old 8078 or Api Legacy in my opinion. I realize this is an incredibly small detail on the eve of what I hope is going to be something amazing, but curious all the same.
Cliff
ps. if anyone else would be interested I'm going to start a thread about how we can all exchange sounds with each other. Many of us have some great gear ranging from some great drums, various sizes, microphone preamps, compressors, eq's, ect. Since we can load samples easily we can now all get that fat Neve sound, or capture the Bonzo sound, ect.
Hi, it's nice to meet everybody here, it seems this will be a very active community, that's is easy to predict, nobody of us got "the thing" but we got a lot of post in few days...
Okay, just want to clarify a pair of doubts with Mr. Scott,
First, Mr. Perico asked about voltage and I think it is important, is the brain for EU only 220V or it can be switched to 110V too?
Second, pads in the default kit are three 10" (toms) and two 12" (snare and kick)?
Thanks in advance,
Juan
Quote from: drumbeats2003 on July 22, 2009, 05:24:07 PM
As you mention getting the new sounds, I was curious about some of the sound details. I come from both a drumming & engineering background and was wondering what approach was taken in detailing sound. For example the ddrum 4 listed many of the drums as to company and series (tama artstar II, ludwig bb, ect), while packages like oceanway drums takes the more tech approach by detailing what mic was used, placement, ect. Any idea what route 2box is taking? I remember ddrum 4 was sampled using a Neve Capricorn digital console which probably would have been better served on an old 8078 or Api Legacy in my opinion. I realize this is an incredibly small detail on the eve of what I hope is going to be something amazing, but curious all the same.
Hi Cliff
No detail is to small. If you have any questions like this, then please feel free to ask them, and i will do my best to answer them for you. Sometimes i wont be able to answer them straight off of the bat, but i will get some sort of answer for you one way or another.
Ok basically there is going to be a section added to the website soon, which will detail how the sounds were created. So please bear with us on this, as it is a pretty big task in itself, but the information will become available to you. Sorry i can't give you anymore information at this time, but once i know that it is going to be added to the site i will give you a heads up.
What I will say though, is that we received the new memory card yesterday with the latest OS (0.36) release and sounds, and i don't think anyone will be disappointed with the quality of sounds available at launch.
Quote from: barriteau on July 22, 2009, 11:14:59 PM
First, Mr. Perico asked about voltage and I think it is important, is the brain for EU only 220V or it can be switched to 110V too?
Second, pads in the default kit are three 10" (toms) and two 12" (snare and kick)?
Thanks in advance,
Juan
Hi Juan
When you receive the kit you get 3 x 10" Tom, 1 x 12" Snare, 1 x 14" Kick, 2 x 14" Cymbals and the hihat is 10".
With regards to the power supply, you will not be able to switch it, you would have to acquire a 120 V power supply (120/18VAC 560mA with a 2,1x5.5x11mm plug). That is the official response i got from 2box.
Hope this helps
Thanks
Scott
Quote from: Scottie on July 23, 2009, 10:02:40 AM
What I will say though, is that we received the new memory card yesterday with the latest OS (0.36) release and sounds, and i don't think anyone will be disappointed with the quality of sounds available at launch.
Well, Scottie, you will do us all a huge favour if you could upload a couple of mp3s of the launch drum sets! We are dying of curiosity here ::)
Quote from: Scottie on July 23, 2009, 10:26:18 AM
Quote from: barriteau on July 22, 2009, 11:14:59 PM
First, Mr. Perico asked about voltage and I think it is important, is the brain for EU only 220V or it can be switched to 110V too?
Second, pads in the default kit are three 10" (toms) and two 12" (snare and kick)?
Thanks in advance,
Juan
Hi Juan
When you receive the kit you get 3 x 10" Tom, 1 x 12" Snare, 1 x 14" Kick, 2 x 14" Cymbals and the hihat is 10".
With regards to the power supply, you will not be able to switch it, you would have to acquire a 120 V power supply (120/18VAC 560mA with a 2,1x5.5x11mm plug). That is the official response i got from 2box.
Hope this helps
Thanks
Scott
Sure it helps, thanks a lot Scott, I'll stay around waiting for more pics ;D
Quote from: cabalestra on July 23, 2009, 11:07:50 AM
Quote from: Scottie on July 23, 2009, 10:02:40 AM
What I will say though, is that we received the new memory card yesterday with the latest OS (0.36) release and sounds, and i don't think anyone will be disappointed with the quality of sounds available at launch.
Well, Scottie, you will do us all a huge favour if you could upload a couple of mp3s of the launch drum sets! We are dying of curiosity here ::)
Hi Cabalestra
Leave it with us, because we want to try and get a couple of bits together for you guys mp3 wise.
I have also found out that the cymbals mute function now features decay when pressed briefly. Which is a nice little feature ;D
Scott
Hi Scotty,
When I buy a 2box set, I get the 3x10 and 1 12 inch?
If I want other sizes I have to add them to the default kit (which I already bought)
is it not possible to buy a kit with 2x 10 and 2x12 inch toms (for example)
Don´t care about, cause the prices for single Pads only show us, that other manufacturer has kidding us for years:
"You can order separate pads but they will not be available until after summer as we start with complete kits.
Price is TBA but we aim at
10 inch € 97:-
12 inch € 120:-
Cymbal: € 128:-
Regards
Bengt"
(from here:http://www.drummerforum.de/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=40438&pageNo=2)
Another very Big manacturer of E-Drums is selling his Drumset in his own country at about € 3.300,00, considering the Taxes, it must be € 1.000,00 cheaper here in Germany, in New Zealand I have seen prices about €8.800,00 for the same set *lol* OK, it´s a free Market, but i hate ppl how pay a few Cent for something and sell it for hundreds of Euros.
In my Opinion 2Box show us, how to make money (I hope so for 2Box ;D) and selling very good stuff at fair prices! ;)
Theo
Hi Scott,
Can you tell me what the dimensions of the kit are once it is fully assembled and ready to play?
Need to plan where i'm going to keep mine and make more room if necessary.
Cheers.
also is there any word yet as to the allocation of units to UK shops? I ordered from Andertons but there is some doubt as to whether enough kits will be allocated to them to cover all pre-orders.
I'm guessing my stock allocation question put you off from answering. Could you at least let me know the dimensions of the kit?
Quote from: Remi on July 23, 2009, 03:50:25 PM
Hi Scotty,
When I buy a 2box set, I get the 3x10 and 1 12 inch?
If I want other sizes I have to add them to the default kit (which I already bought)
is it not possible to buy a kit with 2x 10 and 2x12 inch toms (for example)
Hi Remi
Sorry this took a little while to answer, i have been helping 2box finish off a few things.
The default configuration when you purchase the kit will be 3 x 10" Tom, 1 x 12" Snare, 1 x 14" Kick, 2 x 14" Cymbals and the 10" Hihat. You will be able to purchase individual pads, but these wont be available straight away.
Regards
Scott
Hi...I'm from Finland & I was wondering do you sell 2box drums outside UK? If you do does it come with adapter for 240V?
Thanks!
Quote from: Alex on July 27, 2009, 09:24:43 AM
I'm guessing my stock allocation question put you off from answering. Could you at least let me know the dimensions of the kit?
Hi Alex
Your stock allocation question didn't put me off at all. I have been helping 2box out with finishing a few other bits, which i have been working on all weekend. So i have only just had some free time this morning, to answer some questions.
I will be totally honest with you, the first shipments are not going to be huge, simply because we have to get the production line up to full speed. This will ramp up over the next few weeks, so we can start supplying retailers with larger quantities. We have a great relationship with Andertons, so will we try and get them as many kits as possible. Do you know what number you are on Andertons pre-order list?
Also the way that we have the kit setup in the office (as pictured), the dimensions measure at: 4ft wide, 3.5ft high and 3ft deep. Please remember that you can position the arms how you like, so the width can vary depending on your particular setup.
Regards
Scott
Quote from: Scottie on July 27, 2009, 10:11:27 AM
Do you know what number you are on Andertons pre-order list?
I've been told I am number 8 on the list, i'm not holding out too much hope to be one of the lucky people that get theirs first, it's a relief to know that more will be on the way soon though :)
thanks for the other info too, the kit should fit perfectly.
Quote from: Scottie on July 27, 2009, 10:11:27 AM
I will be totally honest with you, the first shipments are not going to be huge, simply because we have to get the production line up to full speed.
But are the shipped kits of full value, or are these in
pre-production or
in-between the first and final model kits?
BTW: I am not a businessman hence I probably don't understand why after all those months the production line still isn't up to full speed. Or: did 2Box wait until all things (bugs) were resolved? In that case we should have a perfect kit, now
Quote from: puttenvr on July 27, 2009, 03:47:21 PM
But are the shipped kits of full value, or are these in pre-production or in-between the first and final model kits?
BTW: I am not a businessman hence I probably don't understand why after all those months the production line still isn't up to full speed. Or: did 2Box wait until all things (bugs) were resolved? In that case we should have a perfect kit, now
Hi puttenvr
All the kits that have come in are full production models. There is no way that we would sell pre-production models as production models.
When it comes to the production line, 2box worked right up to the wire before it went in to full production models. It is then normal practice to have a few smaller runs to make sure that everything is up to the standard that you have set. Then my understanding is that you gradually take it up from there to full capacity.
This is another request for audio or video demos of clean studio grooves. I still don't know if this kit has a full sound in the kick and snare and if the hi hat works well. This will determine for me whether to uyse VST's with my Yamaha kit or buy this kit.
Also,will this be in the US before 2010?
Peter
Hi Scott,
just a quick one, have the modules arrived as expected?
Please don't say they're delayed :o
Thanks.
It sounds pretty close to happening, but is there anyone who has the kit yet! I realize that the week is not over yet, but I didn't know if they would arrive before the end of the week or not. I think a lot of people are going to be watching to see if these really show up this week. If they don't I think it is going to turn a lot of people away from 2Box. People can only handle so many delays. Just my two cents. I can honestly tell you, I'm looking forward to the day that 2Box makes it to the states. Here's to the kits making it this week!
Quote from: The D on July 29, 2009, 01:40:25 PM
Hi Scott,
just a quick one, have the modules arrived as expected?
Please don't say they're delayed :o
Thanks.
Hey The D
Sorry for the delay in a reply......was a very busy day today!
Well i am pleased to say that our shipment of units turned up today at 4pm. It came in to late to go out, but they will be shipping out tomorrow. So they should be with the retailers on Friday.
(http://www.handinhand.uk.net/pics/DrumIt_pic4.jpg)
I wouldn't give you guys false information. It serves no purpose for me to do that. I want people to trust that the info i am giving them is correct at the time. :)
Regards
Scott
Ahhhh Scottie thats awesome to see the units have finally arrived!! Nice to see some correct info for once. Thanks for posting this up ;D ;D
Thanks for that Scott, just what i wanted to hear.
Once again, my fingers are crossed hoping i'm lucky enough to get mine on friday.
May the drum delivery gods smile upon me. ;D ;D ;D
Daz
who will donate 2.000 Euro to me? *rofl*
*wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave wannahave*
Theo
Quote from: Peter W on July 28, 2009, 08:08:24 PM
This is another request for audio or video demos of clean studio grooves. I still don't know if this kit has a full sound in the kick and snare and if the hi hat works well. This will determine for me whether to uyse VST's with my Yamaha kit or buy this kit.
Also,will this be in the US before 2010?
Peter
Hi Peter
There will be new media on the way, but we wanted to wait until we had the final production to do some more video's.
At the Musikmesse shows we had Janis Heftrich as our demonstrator, all the other videos posted are drummer's that came to the stand, and we asked if it was ok to take some video of them playing, for people to see and hear how the kit sounds. Tony Liotta was really taken with the kit, and offered to do a few shows for us which was a great honor.
Each step can be pretty long when you are starting a new company with a small team. I think 2box have been pretty open with people when it has come to different information. I know that Bengt has always given people the latest info at the time, when it came to shipping dates.
Unfortunately unforeseen development adjustments cropped up, which caused small delays. Companies like Roland, Yamaha and Alesis have all been around for quite some time, so they have multiple people in place to take care of different aspects of a products development cycle. As 2box grows as a company more people will be added to the team, so that things can be moved forward more rapidly.
As for the US i don't have a time frame for when the DrumIt Five will be available, simply because as you know things can change very quickly. I will assure you though that things are moving along, and hopefully we will be able to announce when the kit will ship soon.
I hope this maybe answers a few of your questions.
Many thanks
Scott
Scottie,
Great news that the units have arrived.
Can you tell us how many? You did say that production is not at full capacity yet, does this mean that these things are still going to be hard to get hold of for some time yet?
Do you know of any plans to add adat out in the future
Quote from: wbrs on July 30, 2009, 07:45:43 PM
Do you know of any plans to add adat out in the future
Hi wbrs
There are no plans at the moment to add ADAT to this unit, and i don't ever see this happening in the future.
I will send this suggestion over to the guys at 2box, as this could be something for future products.
Thanks
Scott
Have to say, I'm surprised we're not getting a lot of user feedback on here about the kits. So far all I can tell is they're more complex than expected, seems to be some sort of hi hat issue, have a noisy bass drum pad, but sound great thus far. Anyone know of any places that have a kit available that will ship to the US?
Also, I don't mean to cause trouble, but since ADAT is a dead format I don't think it necessary to include that interface.
Quote from: drumbeats2003 on August 03, 2009, 02:09:46 AMI'm surprised we're not getting a lot of user feedback on here about the kits.
There are only 2 lucky users with a kit
so what can we expect?
Hey scottie,
today some further questions came up:
Have you already had a chance to check the MIDI functions of the drum brain?
Is it possible to play back a given sequence by sending it to the MIDI-In port while recording the MIDI-Events coming out of the MIDI-Out (by using an external sequencer device e.g. someones personal computer running a MIDI-recorder)? I need to know that since I'm currently working on a software program that should help to analyze the precision of one's playing (this could be especially useful for practising). Is MIDI-Thru always on or always off (the manual only sais "Thru is not functional")?
Thanks
Tom
Hey Tom
I haven't had a chance to play around with the MIDI yet. So leave this with me and i will see what is possible for you.
Thanks
Scott
drumlt five sample rate 44.1khz 24 bits?
have a click?
Quote from: drumbeats2003 on August 03, 2009, 02:09:46 AM
Have to say, I'm surprised we're not getting a lot of user feedback on here about the kits. So far all I can tell is they're more complex than expected, seems to be some sort of hi hat issue, have a noisy bass drum pad, but sound great thus far. Anyone know of any places that have a kit available that will ship to the US?
Also, I don't mean to cause trouble, but since ADAT is a dead format I don't think it necessary to include that interface.
How is adat a dead interface? It is the most common way to send up to 8 channels of digital audio.
Quote from: wbrs on August 09, 2009, 02:02:39 AM
Quote from: drumbeats2003 on August 03, 2009, 02:09:46 AM
Have to say, I'm surprised we're not getting a lot of user feedback on here about the kits. So far all I can tell is they're more complex than expected, seems to be some sort of hi hat issue, have a noisy bass drum pad, but sound great thus far. Anyone know of any places that have a kit available that will ship to the US?
Also, I don't mean to cause trouble, but since ADAT is a dead format I don't think it necessary to include that interface.
How is adat a dead interface? It is the most common way to send up to 8 channels of digital audio.
I think the comment was referred as hardly anyone uses ADAT anymore, I think Hard Disk solutions have become the norm (cheper, easier to maintain etc) I think if anything, optical (SPDIF or Toslink) outs would be the way forward...
I have 2 adat lightpipe in and outs on my RME fireface audio interface each will send and receive 8 channels of 24 bit digital audio. This isn't an adat digital tape machine it is a format for moving digital audio. I would like to move the 6 outs on the 2box module on one adat lightpipe cord to the adat lightpipe inputs on my RME fireface keeping it in the digital domain avoiding all the problems that you can get from noisy audio cables. If you've heard of the muse receptor besides an Ethernet connection they offer an adat out. If you had a digital mixer live wouldn't it be a lot better to have only 1 cable to send all 6 of the out puts from the 2box module to the board? If you wanted to keep signal in digital domain till it hit the converters in the end listeners playback divice you could .
Quote from: carlomagno on August 08, 2009, 08:28:09 PM
drumlt five sample rate 44.1khz 24 bits?
have a click?
Hi carlomango
DrumIt Five doesn't have a click at the moment, but it will have in the update.
Thanks
Scott
Scott, is there anything you can tell us about the rubber heads? Is there PS on them , what they will they cost,when they will be available etc?
Hey wbrs
I will see if i can get an update from the guys at 2box.
Thanks
Scott
riiiiiiiiiiight...
Hi Scottie,
Hans here, joining you guys from Norway :)
I've been playing on my Ddrum4se kit for some years now and consider to buy the new 2box kit (that in my opinion sounds better than any other electronic kit on the market today).
So, I have just a few questions:
1) Will there be any legs available for the bassdrumpad, so it can also be used without the rack in the future ?
2) I'm using my Ddrum mounted in a 19 inch rack (12 unit with mixer on top), so I only have to connect the trigger cables on live gigs while rest of the cables are hidden inside the rack. Can the 2box module be mounted in a 19 inch rack like Ddrum 4?
3) Can the 2box play standard midifiles and be used as a sequenser song player for connecting with external soundmodules?
4) Is the 2box compatible with roland pads and Ddrum pads/triggers?
Thanks !
Hans
Hi,
like others I'm waiting for reviews and tests about the kit from users.
Of course I would like to read more and more. :)
Do you think we gonna have soon the opportunity to read some review by a pro drummer in a forum, a website or even a magazine?
Thx.
Ps : and sorry for my english, I'm another french! :D
We are pro drummers, aren't we? :-\
Hi Puttenvr!
I didn't want to offend anybody here. :)
I really don't know who's pro and who's not.
What is certain is that I'm not a pro! :)
All your reviews and feedbacks are very interesting.
Actually I wonder why there is not any review about the Drumit5 in any drums magazine. Is it too soon?
Otherwise I really like this kit (what I ear).
I hope I'll be able to buy one in October. (I live in Canada)
Quote from: puttenvr on September 04, 2009, 07:23:11 AM
We are pro drummers, aren't we? :-\
Speak for yourself ...I've only ever been paid for gigs in beer :)
I've been drumming for 22 years and geeking out with electronic music for 15, had my DDrum 4 for nearly 10 years...which is basically why I'm a bit fanatical about the drumit 5 :) It's much more than just a hobby though.
For me, and I'm guessing quite a lot of prospective 2box owners, drumming / making music is a love, not a career - by god though, I'm not saying you can't do both - and I'm truly jealous of anyone who does :D
I think the first reviews in music magazines will follow soon
For what they are worth...
Don't forget those magazines need to please advertisers and they generally don't have the opporunity to test a drumkit during a long period of time. We have.
So this forum, with all those different users, is much of much more value
Although it's sometimes difficult to distinguished opinions and facts.
Scott, when the pads can be bought separately do you know if you can use the 14 in pads for snare or tom?
Quote from: wbrs on September 08, 2009, 08:42:15 AM
Scott, when the pads can be bought separately do you know if you can use the 14 in pads for snare or tom?
Hey wbrs
There won't be any 14" snare and tom pads available on the next shipment. I'm not sure what the current status is on the larger pads, but i will ask the guys at 2box and let you know.
Thanks
Scott
Hello,
I am french and excuse me for my bad english ! I just have acquire my drum it five and i would like to know if a metronome is included in the kit, and if it exists how using it.
Thanks
Eric
Hi Eric,
Scottie answered the metronome question earlier in this thread:
Quote from: Scottie on August 10, 2009, 02:33:25 PM
DrumIt Five doesn't have a click at the moment, but it will have in the update.
thank you for your help
Hello,
I would like to know if it is possible to save the modifications made in the mix page about the adjustment of the volumes. I believed that it was in the preference page when you put the save "on" or "auto" but it is not that. If I switch off and I come back it is like the first time.
Can someone help me ?
Thanks
Eric
Quote from: ericndrum on September 10, 2009, 07:34:36 PM
Hello,
I would like to know if it is possible to save the modifications made in the mix page about the adjustment of the volumes. I believed that it was in the preference page when you put the save "on" or "auto" but it is not that. If I switch off and I come back it is like the first time.
Can someone help me ?
Thanks
Eric
Hi Eric
Sorry i totally missed your post here. At the moment you can't save the settings on the mix page. I am just waiting to hear if this will be in the update.
Thanks
Scott
Hello,
I still have questions, can someone help me ?
1 - About the memory - It stays only 9% memory and I still did not had anything, I think that it will be a problem when I will want to had sounds or songs. Can someone tell me if I will have to delete data, that's what I don't want, or if it is possible to extend the memory ?
2 - About the songs - Can we put only wav or can we put mp3 or something else ?
3 - About the kits - For the moment, there are 100 different kits, I would like to make my own kits. Do I have to replace the existing ones or can I had some, 101, 102, ... If it is possible how can I do ?
Thank you for your help
Eric
1. The unit is basically full on opening from the box (samples/system data/.wavs...) deleting the wavs will free up a lot of space, and also the samples will. But don't delete samples you don't want. ie, i KNOW there a samples on there I will never use! Cannot extend memory but future algorithm will be able to compress samples more without loss of quality.
2. wav only at the moment, I don't know if mp3 functionality will be added later. Although you can attach an external player.
3. Not sure about this, I assume you change an existing kit with sounds you want. Again from my point of view some will NEVER be used by me....
Hope that helps.
Thank you for your help
when we can expect the new update?
Quote from: roel on October 05, 2009, 04:01:08 PM
when we can expect the new update?
Hi roel
The aim is this month for version 1.0. If i hear any different i will let you all know.
Thanks
Scott
when should the next batch of kits be in the UK for distribution?
Hello,
Does anybody know how to get Drumit 5 from Russia? Actually nobody wants to send it to Moscow as well as local distributor doesn't respond. So I feel like I am living on another planet )
Do you know the way to buy Drumit with delivery to Moscow? Or who can do that?
Thank you, still hope that it is possible
It would be great if it would be possible to record the drums directly over usb. Are the guys at 2box planning to turn the brain into a sound card?
And on a related note, will it be possible use the brain as a midi device over usb?
Any word on the midi over usb thing?
I have a 5 meter long usb cable. It would be nice to know if I need to buy midi cables or have to wait for a few weeks for the new software..
So I just heard from Andertons that it's now going to be early December before any more kits arrive in the UK. Can anyone at Hand in Hand confirm this? Is there any possiblity of kits arriving sooner?
So where is the update 1.0 unbelievable..... :animal:
in nearly 2 Weeks there will be the first testabel DM 10 in the shops in Germany... This 2Box Hardware isn´t that ive been waiting for... I ´´l be excited, how the new Alesis is...
Theo
Let us know how that works out.
Quote from: TrommelTheo on October 31, 2009, 10:36:45 PM
in nearly 2 Weeks there will be the first testabel DM 10 in the shops in Germany... This 2Box Hardware isn´t that ive been waiting for... I ´´l be excited, how the new Alesis is...
Theo
Perhaps better hardware but lame sounds
puttenvr, did you already tested it? :animal:
Theo
Theo have you not listened to the demos?
Do you believe everything you´ll hear and read in the WWW??? I don´t trust things, i did not see, feel and hear by myself.
I ´ve read about optimized Hard- and Software for the now coming Drumit 5 Sets, do you trust this words?
So i ´ll test both, the optimized :patbat2box: and the new DM 10 and then i´lll dicide what kind of Kit i´ll purchase!
Theo
Theo it was simply a question, thats all.
But to be honest the reason i ask is, if the kit sounds better in real life (which i don't think it will) do you really think the likes of Alesis are going to post up bad demos? i don't think so.
Calm down bud, i don't blame you for trying both, at the end of the day it's all personal preference.
travis, sorry, you misunderstoud me, that should not get an angry Post ;D I better put some smiles in it *lol* ;)
Theo
Hi...
Ok! I got the new update 1.0 and it seems to work correctly on my kit. :D
What is the file format "dsnd", and how can we make our own samples library in the module? Is there a software to do that?
A store told me there's no software allows us to make our own kits yet.
Just have to wait...
hello
In fact i dont find how use the charley with ez drummer (so by midi port) cause i had only one sound not close medium close open and foot step..i've rode every explaination i managed to do for cymbals (dom bow ect) but charley is different and i dont understand pédal cc1 and cc4,what exactly there fonctionality?? how can i do to have the same pad fonction(i find how assigneted cross stik ) but not choke ffonction and all charley stuff..,can you help me ?(i read many time the book but nothing about that ..) .
secondly i would like to know if the modul is totaly fonctional?BEcause with my soound engineer stuff we dont managed to find how play en record the same i'd played we can read guitare pro tablatur with ez drummer associated with cubase no problem to signal..but when we recording midi signal (recording what im playing) there is no probleme latency is normal not so alarming but associated to ez drummer there 's big mistake of rythm in late some kick ive dont play,its seems EZDRUMMER dont try to read properly the midi signal recorded from 2box..we've try many manipulation but may be its simply coming from 2box module (may be a bad assignement of note but firstly everything dont coresponding to EZDRUMMER kit i mean kick from 2box =charley from ezdrummer ect...so i tried to change notes to correponding each elements between them...) so i"d tried my best but its was useless...and i need to recorded fastly in midi for a record.(every hardware is fonctiona:l pc,wires ,mixe table ,sound card ,m audio for midi cable ect)
an idéa?
Salut Yoyo, bienvenue au forum :)
I think your post might be better in a new thread or answers might get lost!
Does ezdrummer respond okay to a midi keyboard? Is there latency?
hi merci! well in fact i dont really now how this forum running so i post my question there...
yes ezdrummer is okay no latency or 4ms not much in fact when we just recording midi without ezdrummer midi signal is good no latency could point out with cubase when im playing there no latency with what i am hearing (midi sound) when i play during recording but a least when we listening from cubase what i'v played there totaly another thing its seems had another hit stroke timing is not repected as if cubase was lagging only on the drums part..this is quite strange with my sound engineer we're still on it ..
That does sound strange...I get nothing like that in BFD2.
Are you able to play the 2box drums via Midi
Have you tried any tools like MidiOx (http://www.midiox.com/) to see what messages / CCs are happening?
is the timing between individual drum hits off, or are all the drum hits lagging by the same amount?
in fact we found one of the problem ,that was an option that automatly change note to keep them out (cantification automatic) so we turn off and its ok but now we had a really seriously probleme with the mapage cause mapage is not good at all ez drummer and cubase dont have the same mapage we've tried to change in to box note (node section) but nothing is correct excepte kick when i turn to 36 its ok we heard the kick on ezdrummer but there a big probleme with 3zone cymbale we only can atrubuate one only note (dom's note ) and its will declin the next note for bow and eidge but in ez mapage is eidge ,bow and dom .so its could not work ...any one solution to that pb??EXECPTE change mappage of the both log :ezdrummer and cubase..BECOSE i dont know how to do that ,and more than this i dont think that s the software who had to change (change software mapage) for any of diferent e drum..?
Quote from: UC on March 15, 2010, 12:01:17 PM
That does sound strange...I get nothing like that in BFD2.
Are you able to play the 2box drums via Midi
Have you tried any tools like MidiOx (http://www.midiox.com/) to see what messages / CCs are happening?
I DONT try midi ox ,but what for just to see what is the mapage?
ANY ONE could explain what the diference between CC1 et CC4 for the charleston i never managed to have an open hit hat sound and and foot hit and close hit hat sound in midi ..
Hi,
My name is Shannon and I am from Australia.
After tons of research comparing Yamaha, Alesis, Roland, Pearl (epro live) and 2Box, I am now at the point of purchasing a kit. I have spent the last 10 years playing the Roland gear and am now ready to venture to the dark side!!!!
I have narrowed my selection to the Yamaha DTX950 and 2Box Drumit Five for the reason that you are able to easily download your own samples into the brain. The 2Box is the obvious choice for this reason, but I do have the following questions:
1. I hear the rack is moderately unstable. Will the hardware clamps etc transfer to a Roland rack? Has anyone done this? How does the kick trigger and module mount?
2. Does the module allow you to apply effects/compression etc to the samples once downloaded? If I have to apply effects to the original samples, then reverbs etc would not sound natural as they would be retriggered.
3. Is it a one-shot trigger per sample or new sample with each trigger? Can I select a trigger option?
4. Polyphony? how many notes and will it cut off samples?
5. Not much has been said around the electronic sound banks. The acoustic sounds I have heard are quite impressive, but are there many electronic sounds (808, 909.....but not cheesy car horns)
6. Anyone on this forum from Australia? If you don't mind me asking, what price range did you pay?
I am sure a 2Box forum will help me get over the final hurdles.
Thanks
Shannon
Quote from: ShanMac on May 08, 2010, 05:26:31 AM
I have narrowed my selection to the Yamaha DTX950 and 2Box Drumit Five for the reason that you are able to easily download your own samples into the brain.
The Yamaha module has very limited sampling memory
Quote1. I hear the rack is moderately unstable. Will the hardware clamps etc transfer to a Roland rack? Has anyone done this? How does the kick trigger and module mount?
The rack isn't unstable at all. That's a persistent rumour. Nevertheless the snare mount and hihat stand both can be improved. Some 2Box users did change these parts, as do many drummers with their (other) electronic and acoustic kits.
Quote2. Does the module allow you to apply effects/compression etc to the samples once downloaded?
Not at this moment. But 2Box is working on effects, which can be added due to the open system
QuoteIf I have to apply effects to the original samples, then reverbs etc would not sound natural as they would be retriggered.
I don't get this one. But I should add effects outside the module. Also my sound engineer would appreciate this. Effects on samples always obscure the sound
Quote
5. Not much has been said around the electronic sound banks. The acoustic sounds I have heard are quite impressive, but are there many electronic sounds (808, 909.....but not cheesy car horns)
There are a few electronic sounds but the emphasis is on the acoustic sounds. BUT: you can put any sound in the module you want. That's the big plus to other devices.
pricing in Oz is around the $4000 mark. not the best, but what can you do? it depends how important having a local warranty is to you.
Thanks for the responses Puttenvr and fishmonkey.
Sorry for the persistent questions:
1. I assume the 4 gig memory is inclusive of the sounds preloaded and not additional.
2. Is there a limit to the individual sample length possible?
3. Further to the question on effects/compression, have 2box indicated in any way that the addition of effects is a projected possibility? I like the concept that the drum kit is a self contained unit and that I do not have to cart a laptop (to trigger sounds) and an effects unit. Being a control freak, i like to apply effects before the sound engineer gets them as often they may be an important feature of the kit sound and not an embellishment.
4. Australian retail pricing is around the $4700AUD mark. I am going next weekend to trial (and hopefully buy) with a price of $3700. Sounds like a reasonable deal then (thanks fishmonkey).
5. As for the ealier triggering/effects question, if I apply a reverb effect to a sample what happens when I trigger it multiple times. Does the sample trigger first, then when triggered again (before completing the sample length) start the sample again - or - does the first sample continue to play and subsequent triggers of the same sample will layer over the top......mmmm....I hope I am making sense. Like a monophonic or polyphonic sample.
Thanks again
1. It's inclusive the preloaded samples, but you can delete them all (if u want) and start from scratch with a blanc 4 gb card
2. why would you?
3. 2Box announced a tap delay with the next software. At this time no reverbs. As I said before: sound engineers in general don't like when you add fx to the drum sounds. They want to control it them selves. Another point to consider is that I never saw a built in effect (in any synth, sampler or drum module) who was of equal quality to external units. External effect units (from a certain price point) are always better. Another point for sound engineers to use those fx and not the internal fx
5. If you add an effect to the wav file the unit will (re)trigger the whole sound over and over again. Why not? But perhaps I still don't understand your question
the definitive answer to question 5 is not clear, i would email 2box directly and ask them.
some users have reported polyphony issues in this thread:
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,345.0.html
however, it is not yet known if this is an inherent limitation of the 2Box brain or current firmware, or if it is due to the 3rd party sound editor tool not constructing the multisamples in the required format...
Puttenvr and Fishmonkey, thanks again for your help. I have emailed 2Box directly to see if they can answer my questions. I will hopefully hear from them soon.
Are you in AUS fishmonkey? If so, whereabouts?
Do you have a Drumit Five and if so how do you find it? I am in Melbourne, although, heading off to Geelong (with the wife and kids) this weekend to test drive a Drumit with the prospect of buying. Prices seem to be coming down from the $4800 originally quoted.
In my mind I have already purchased it......
hey, i'm in Sydney...
i would not pay any more than $4000, which is still a healthy profit for the distributor + store...
from what i understand the RRP was initially set by the distributor at $4800, but was lowered to around $4400.
yes i do have a kit, and it's very good. there are some issues, but it sounds way better than any Yamaha or Roland kit i have tried...
Just got a email from Bengt answering my questions. All is good on the technical front, not to mention some of the revisions coming in the next update. Looking forward to a play on the weekend (with a pocket of cash ready to buy and take home!). I'll let you know how I go.
Thanks again!
Hi! I have roland pdx pads, cy8 cymbals and vh11 hi hat with roland td4 module! I want to buy 2 box module, because the sounds are great, so my question is:
Are roland pads compatible with 2 box module?
Thanks!
I don't think the hihat is compatible
You can try the cymbals whether both the cup and edge will work or not
Tom pads: no problem
PS this question is asked frequently. Perhaps we can make a sticky topic with a list of what is compatible and not. Moderator?
2 questions/and again...
1: spareparts???where can I get a extra cymbal or tom? and when?
2: when can we get that mk2 rack? and will it be a complete rack?
Hi Scottie
Im new on the forum so I have some questions:
where can you write your problems or stuff like this and everybody can see my message and reply on it?
do you need an audio interface to recored with 2box or is it possible to connect with USB and record on my software(logic)
Why 2box doesent have replacement pads and cymbals?
Pleaaasss Answer Thankx ;D
Since the drumit5 does not have to host Midi in the usb, you will have to use a Midi-interface, in order to use the drumit5 as a Midi-controller.
To get the sound in the computer I strongly advice you to buy an audio-interface.
Hi Scott,
I purchased my ddrum4 se with cast precision pads from Hand in Hand and your good self back in 2002.
Its still going strong - funny old World aint it?
Quote from: ddrum4se on October 27, 2010, 10:47:28 AM
Hi Scott,
I purchased my ddrum4 se with cast precision pads from Hand in Hand and your good self back in 2002.
Its still going strong - funny old World aint it?
Hi ddrum4se
It really is a small world indeed ;) I am pleased to hear that your ddrum4 se is still going strong though, it is still a fantastic kit.
If you have any questions regarding the DrumIt Five, please do not hesitate to send me a PM, and i will do my best to answer them for you.
Good to hear from you.
Scott
I'VE RECENTLY BOUGHT A DRUMIT 2ND GENERATION KIT WHICH I'M PLEASED WITH.
BUT - TODAY ONE OF MY CYMBALS BROKE DOWN - ONLY THE CUP/CENTER PART RESPONDS +
THE DRUMIT CONSOLE STARTED TO "JAM" - DOESN'T RESPOND TO ANYTHING - ONLY TO BEING SHUT DOWN.
OS.V. 1.10, BIOS. 1.34.
MMMM NO SO GOOD.... I'VE BEEN PLAYING IT WITH A PAIR OF 7A STICKS - WHICH SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANY HARM. :(
Please don't double post
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,2.195.html
Hey,
I should maybe do a little more research and reading about this but struggling to figure out how to go around using the Metronome...
Any quick advice just to start using it straight away?
I can see it in the UNIT-METR section...
Cheers x
Manual, dude..
http://www.2box.se/Downloads/DrumIt-User-Manual.pdf
Pretty straight forward as far as I know, there is a 'Play' button and Metronome options on each kit page... just choose tempo and go from there, never really used it, but when I have its all been done from the initial page after turning on
Cheers,
Looks like my set up is different from the maunual somehow.
Iv managed to find it now though, will play about with it.
Thanks
I know this has probably been asked a million times and probably gonna get flamed for this but...
When are extra parts (Cymbal pads mostly) going to be available?
I bought a MKII kit in September/October and have been ringing Wembley Drum Centre every week since and still no definite answer.
I want to use my 2box kit to record my next album, using Toontrack SD2.0 but need at least another 2 cymbals adding.
Paul.
Question on the 2box website (www.2box.se) we can hear a demo from the echo kit, I don't see a kit cald echo in my 2box module.Wich kitnumber is the echo kit?
It's in the orginal drumit settings file
http://2box.se/Pages/os-updates.html
You can download it, but beware not to overwrite your own kits
ok thanx puttenvr its done.
Does anybody know where I can order kit Toy cymbals? what's the email adres of Mike from Kit Toys?
Hi, wonder if you can help.
I have an issue with certain kits going silent after a few seconds.It's just that the unit crashes and is fine if restored by switching off and back on.
I'm told in reply to a post (See Crashes - General Forum) that there where some faulty SD cards in Units 1050 - 1500. My serial number is 1137. Could I have a problem unit?
Cheers for any help.
Today I saw the new Mark Drum Yes on their site, the samples they are using sounds really good.
I was wondering if you can use those samples in our 2box module?
There is a kit that you can download from the site:
http://www.markdrum.it/Danny%20Gottlieb%20Signature%20drum%20kits?&preview=997cb50546165631a415355c7b570106
Time I tidied up a bunch of threads I think - if anyone would like me to keep this thread stickied please post now or forever hold your piece!
Yes ,
Hello from Italy,
I'm looking for the new rubber heads (as the one seen on adam ditch vid playing the 2box)
can you give me any indication where to buy them if they are available?
thanks
enrico