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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #75 on: October 17, 2011, 12:31:05 AM »
that is good to know mate keep us posted on all tests!!!
you are an asset to the community
ps one question. if i ever break a cymbal and get one of yours it will have all 3 zones,right?
my question though is this. will it be loud like a real cymbal?or you also make em plastic coated so they dontmake noise? cheers
Yes, crashes and rides 3 zones plus choke like 2Box cymbals. I don't coat the top .. only the bottom for dampening, otherwise you loose the real cymbal response/feel. People have applied top dampening on my cymbals, like Zildjian mutes, or even a polymere coat here: http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?54656-Stealth-A-to-E-cymbal-stick-noise-silencing&highlight=stealth%20dampening
But most prefer the naked cymbal feel.  I demo acoustic noise levels on my drums and cymbals on most of my videos, just check out any of those for an idea... J

sorry if I hijacked the thread Manfred :-[
« Last Edit: October 17, 2011, 12:33:16 AM by Jman »
I could tell you where to stick that piezo! :D ;)
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #76 on: October 17, 2011, 06:01:11 AM »
I am testing someething similar to these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Neodymium-Magnets-3-16-x-1-32-Disc-Rare-Earth-N42-/190580175854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5f76b3ee
One on its own didn't work at all - I'm now up to about 9 of them stuck together to get decent response. Luckily, they're small and thin, so it's possible to fit them without touching the box. It's not perfect, so I may add more and try and set them up a bit further away. The biggest issue is the difficulty in getting foot splashes, which are a bit erratic.

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #77 on: October 17, 2011, 06:45:32 PM »
I am testing someething similar to these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Neodymium-Magnets-3-16-x-1-32-Disc-Rare-Earth-N42-/190580175854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5f76b3ee
One on its own didn't work at all - I'm now up to about 9 of them stuck together to get decent response. Luckily, they're small and thin, so it's possible to fit them without touching the box. It's not perfect, so I may add more and try and set them up a bit further away. The biggest issue is the difficulty in getting foot splashes, which are a bit erratic.

This is good info, obviously the size, not just the N class of the magnet makes a big difference. I imagine some have magnets handy around the house and we won't know the specs of what those are. But getting more feedback and specifics on what class and size magnets work best from other members will make it easy for those just starting out to get the best match.

I noticed on Manfred's gray box he put a mark on the top of his box so you can place the magnet in the appropriate position above the box. That is a good idea, something I did also on mine. It is also nice with the 3/4" diameter magnet .... you don't have to get the position perfect/dead center, plenty of room for slop in the placement. I am just guessing, but I would think you have to be more accurate with the small diameter magnet as far as positioning. Another reason more feedback will be nice.


« Last Edit: October 17, 2011, 07:10:12 PM by Jman »
I could tell you where to stick that piezo! :D ;)
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #78 on: October 17, 2011, 08:06:31 PM »
yes but can someone show, in the plate, what is the thing that we have to put the magnet directly above? thank you

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #79 on: October 17, 2011, 09:28:38 PM »
yes but can someone show, in the plate, what is the thing that we have to put the magnet directly above? thank you
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #80 on: October 17, 2011, 09:38:11 PM »
you are a god my friend

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #81 on: October 17, 2011, 09:46:45 PM »
you are a god my friend
not even close ..... but thanks :-[ J
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2011, 03:49:31 AM »
i FINALLY managed to track down a few different magnets and they arrived today, so in the next couple of days I will know which works best...I got a few different strengths and sizes so it will be interesting to see..

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #83 on: October 19, 2011, 03:52:47 PM »
I'm trying to think how else board and magnet cd be positioned......

mainly coz I don't like to have the footboard at much of an angle (when closed).

I suppose the main reasons AGAINST some kind of arrangement around the clutch/actual cymbal
are:-

a) difficulty of giving the board a secure base exactly level and perpendicular to the magnet (even
     though the magnet itself might easily be fixed to a cymbal)

b) vibration issues (from the drumming!) when in use


You guys seem all to have gone straightaway for the footboard setup.......  is that because of these
kind of reasons ? ?

Any thoughts and suggestions welcome !   :)

Cheers
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2011, 04:04:44 PM »
I'm trying to think how else board and magnet cd be positioned......

mainly coz I don't like to have the footboard at much of an angle (when closed).

I suppose the main reasons AGAINST some kind of arrangement around the clutch/actual cymbal
are:-

a) difficulty of giving the board a secure base exactly level and perpendicular to the magnet (even
     though the magnet itself might easily be fixed to a cymbal)

b) vibration issues (from the drumming!) when in use


You guys seem all to have gone straightaway for the footboard setup.......  is that because of these
kind of reasons ? ?

Any thoughts and suggestions welcome !   :)

Cheers
Slap
When I first did the Hi Hat mod using the original 2Box PCB, this was the simplest way I could think of. The advantages are: it is somewhat universal for Hi Hat stands and it makes it possible to use many edrum cymbals with no modifications or little modification.

One idea to get it out from under the pedal would be to mount the box on some kind of L platform at the top of the stand then just place the magnet on the bottom of the top HH cymbal (single cymbal, no bottom cymbal)

You might be able to mount it between 2 cymbals, but it is a little bulky....... the box I am using wouldn't fit for sure.

Also, you could still use a similar bottom pedal type mount with a HH stand and place the box just outside the pedal, on the floor .... behind or beside the pedal, and simply attach some sort of extension platform from the pedal for the magnet. That gets the box out from under the pedal. If you look at the first HH box I did ... If you were to attach an extension from the bolt I had my magnet on you could easily move the magnet where needed and place the box outside the pedal and make it possible to close the pedal much lower:
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,722.0.html
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I could tell you where to stick that piezo! :D ;)
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #85 on: October 20, 2011, 10:05:45 PM »
I'm going to look into trying to mount Manfred's circuit into the bottom of my VH-12 so that I can use them with a drop clutch (as you can imagine, the box under the pedal won't work with a drop clutch)...

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #86 on: October 21, 2011, 02:16:30 AM »
I'm going to look into trying to mount Manfred's circuit into the bottom of my VH-12 so that I can use them with a drop clutch (as you can imagine, the box under the pedal won't work with a drop clutch)...

I went the Mechanical pedal/hardware route for clutch.... bought this years ago .... Tama Cobra Clutch, it locks the pedal in whatever position you want. I usually set it for a semi open position... not super cheap, but pretty cool....
I could tell you where to stick that piezo! :D ;)
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #87 on: October 21, 2011, 03:51:19 AM »
Holy hell, that thing is $250 over here!

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #88 on: October 21, 2011, 04:56:03 AM »
Holy hell, that thing is $250 over here!
WHoaaa!
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #89 on: October 21, 2011, 10:34:08 AM »
... If you were to attach an extension from the bolt I had my magnet on you could easily move the magnet where needed and place the box outside the pedal and make it possible to close the pedal much lower:
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,722.0.html

DuH! I didn't think of extending the magnet out like that.  That wd be an easy solution if I needed
to move the box out from under the pedal.

Thanks