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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #60 on: September 25, 2011, 07:16:15 PM »

hey guys any idea idea where i could find a piece of (dunno what is called, i will call it scritch scratch)this thing that you put on the bottom of the stand and on bottom of grey box and they attach together like thse shoe scratches?

This is called VELCRO ... ask a girl if she knows where to buy some ... i guess you can buy some where you buy stuff to make clothes ...  or just tear an old pair of shoes ;)

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #61 on: September 25, 2011, 07:31:49 PM »
ok thanx for that mate

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2011, 08:30:40 PM »
Hi,

in my opinion the 2Box hihat has some disadvantages. But these disadvantages are more or less a matter of taste:

- playing foot chicks mostly triggers zone 4 too
- distance between closed and fully open is small (weak magnet)
- size and playing feel

It is great if the 2Box hihat works perfectly for you. But obviously there are quite a few people who are not totally satisfied and like to use other cymbals. No matter if it is a Roland, Yamaha, DIY or whatever. And the results are not worse than with the 2Box hihat, you can get at least the same results with separate board and cymbal.

Regards, Manfred

For me the 2box hihat works great,but its a matter of taste what you prefer indeed.
maby I will buy a better hihatstand in the future who knows.For now I will using the 2box hihatstand.
Will this mod work with a Kit-Toy Hihat?
« Last Edit: October 10, 2011, 05:36:38 PM by roel »

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2011, 07:07:52 PM »
Just got JMan's stealth hihat together with Manfreds board. It feels great! Amazing what a feeling, it is really close to an acoustic hihat!   :patbat2box:

Since I live in Sweden and it is the right time of the year, I would like to give Manfred and JMan the nobel prize in edrumming for their work on hihat improvements.

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #64 on: October 14, 2011, 03:51:29 AM »
Glad you like it Louis!  ;D It's great having other options now using Manfred's controller box! J
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #65 on: October 14, 2011, 10:16:49 AM »
Just got JMan's stealth hihat together with Manfreds board. It feels great! Amazing what a feeling, it is really close to an acoustic hihat!   :patbat2box:

Since I live in Sweden and it is the right time of the year, I would like to give Manfred and JMan the nobel prize in edrumming for their work on hihat improvements.
What kind of magnet did you use?

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #66 on: October 14, 2011, 03:41:09 PM »
What kind of magnet did you use?

Sorry, I don't know, I got it from a friend. It is much stronger than the magnets on my fridge.

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2011, 02:39:52 PM »
manfred i just got it from my mate. thanx man
cant check it yet, i will check it in june most probably as i will need my bussy from ny to get me a new hi hat stand and then buy also a cy-5. but it is great to have everything else ready

ps. i got the magnets from jman link. i cant believe how strong they are. i cant get 2 of em apart from each other

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2011, 08:39:09 PM »
I ordered some lower strength N28 magnets today. I just want to do some testing to see how the N28 magnet responds compared to my stronger N42 magnet. The N42 magnets sure give you a wide range  of openness and you can have your closed position setup so the magnet does not need to be very close to the sensor. Fully closed right now my magnet is still about 3/4" above my sensor. That is good as it means the pedal is no where near to "smashing" into the jack/controller box when fully closed. I have noticed that I can get an occasional foot splash (zone 9 ) sound though instead of edge (zone 8 ) when playing closed edge on the hat. I think this is something Manfred mentioned earlier about behavior of Strong magnets.....

So I think it would be good to get feedback on what magnet people are using and what kind of response they are getting.

I ordered some of these, and will give some feedback after I get them and test them:
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=ZB66
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #69 on: October 16, 2011, 12:07:41 AM »
unfortunately i wont be able to test till june. so jman if you find out that other magnets work better, please do tell.btw does it matter what side of the magnet i put underneath the pedal and what side is up or down of the circuit board? thanx

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #70 on: October 16, 2011, 01:55:34 AM »
Hello,

@BA

Yes, the orientation of the magnet matters, it's a 50/50 chance. And i also recommend to approximate the magnet from the bottom layer. Thats the layer with the tiny surface mounted components.

@Jman

The problem i mentioned with too strong magnets is an overlap between open bow and closed edge. Let me try to explain it a bit more detailed. Both zone detection and level detection are done by measuring the current through the sensor. With my regular hihat and regular magnet i had the following values:

Level       Zone         Current

open        Bow           4,58mA
closed      Bow           3,98mA

open        Edge         5,99mA
closed      Edge         5,40mA

The following picture illustrates that. The x-axis shows the current through the sensor (not true to scale):




By using a stronger magnet you can extend the range between open and closed for both zones. But this also means that the gap between both zones is getting smaller:




By using a magnet which is too strong the gap between both zones tends to zero. And if this gap doesn't exist anymore the module can not differentiate between open bow sounds and closed edge sounds properly.



But i could only get that at some early tests at my desk with a very strong magnet and a very small distance between sensor and circuit board. Assembled to the hihat stand i didn't see this anymore.

You mentioned that you have zone 9 sounds while playing closed edge from time to time. To detect zone 9 the change of the current over time is crucial (di/dt). To trigger a foot splash you need to have a change in the current in a short time. Currently i have no explanation why this could happen while playing the edge without moving the pedal.

Do the others notice similar effects?

Regards, Manfred
« Last Edit: October 16, 2011, 02:10:28 AM by Manfred »

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #71 on: October 16, 2011, 03:36:39 AM »
Hi Manfred: When I was experimenting with different gaps (open/closed travel) and having the magnet at different distances from the sensor at the full closed position, I did get the open bow sound instead of closed edge sound a few times .... This has never been a problem, just happened a couple times while I was trying different gaps. And the next time I regapped it went away, so I didn't really figure out why that happened. Now that you have explained that, it was most likely when I had set up with the magnet closer to the sensor in the box... Tomorrow I'll see if I can verify that.

As far as the occasional unexpected triggering of Zone 9 ..... With my Hi Hat I use top and bottom cymbals, the bottom cymbal doesn't have much function mainly real look and feel.... but the top cymbal does close against the bottom cymbal at the closed position .... so mechanically it does emulate the real HH movement very well. I will also test the function of my Hi Hat tomorrow with NO bottom cymbal just to see if that is a contributing factor as they do both move when playing in the closed position. Just thinking that maybe the movement is causing a foot pedal movement too, I am not aware of....
« Last Edit: October 16, 2011, 03:45:27 AM by Jman »
I could tell you where to stick that piezo! :D ;)
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2011, 09:25:34 AM »
thank you all. i will await for a link for magnets that work really well in thefuture. i have trust in jman and his experiments!!! take care

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2011, 07:32:39 PM »
OK, So today I decided to recalibrate my Hi Hat again before anything else. Just for the heck of it I went back and read the latest HH calib instructions for the 1.20 OS version. I probably overlooked this little phrase at the end (in red) of the instructions:

CALIB to calibrate the hihat. Press it once and a closed hihat symbol will blink. Now loosen the
hihat and let it rest on the hihat receiver and press CALIB, now an open hihat symbol will blink.
Open the hihat to the position where the sound should just reach completely open and press
CALIB once more.
Finally fix it at a (possibly higher) open position.

So when calibrating I set the up position a little higher like suggested after doing the calibration. Maybe it is a coincidence, maybe not, but just prior to recalibration I was getting the occasional zone 9 mishit when playing zone 8 (edge) closed. Now, after playing for 5 or 10 minutes I have not had a single mishit... So for now, I'm going with "if it ain't broke don't fix it;D.... all is working beautifully. The N42 magnets work fine.

I had a couple different N42 magnets ... This is the one I am using now ... but the other 3/8" thickness one I linked earlier works just fine as well:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Neodymium-Ring-Magnets-3-4-x-1-4-x-1-4-Rare-Earth-N42-/200658279765?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb82a5d55

Like I mentioned earlier I have some weaker N28 magnets ordered and will try one out when they arrive. But my guess is Manfred's HH controller is pretty versatile and a wide variety of magnets should work fine. The N42's that I have definitely do a great job!
« Last Edit: October 16, 2011, 08:15:28 PM by Jman »
I could tell you where to stick that piezo! :D ;)
http://stealthdrums.com/

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2011, 11:49:36 PM »
that is good to know mate keep us posted on all tests!!!
you are an asset to the community
ps one question. if i ever break a cymbal and get one of yours it will have all 3 zones,right?
my question though is this. will it be loud like a real cymbal?or you also make em plastic coated so they dontmake noise? cheers