2box received, soft triggering mk2 bass drum

[MisterE]

hey,

i notice soft triggering of the kick drum. I compared it with the toms and notice that there is a gap (about 3 millimetre) between the sensor and the mesh. I shot some pictures. Can someone compare it with theirs own kit?
Thanks in advance!!

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/cimg2102.jpg/
http://img5.imageshack.us/i/cimg2114i.jpg/

[nonoduweb]

Look at this:
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,880.msg8590.html#msg8590

Just try to remove the foam and see if it triggers better.

[edcito]

It seems they didn't bother to redesign the size of the foam attached to the piezo so I think it's the same size as the Mk1 kick, which has more stuff so the sensor is touching the mesh, but for the mk2 pad the piezo don't touches the mesh since it has no additional parts that can "push" the piezo against the mesh... so yeah, remove the foam completely and you'll see......

Sorry, I didn't realize the mk1 kick hast the sensor in the middle, so my above comment is completely wrong

anyway, the mk2 kick is completely silent with the ring foam, and yeah, there is a gap between the piezo and the mesh.

[MisterE]

thanks for your reply you guys!!

I hope if multiple people in the community can take a quick peek at his/her 2box mk2 kick. disassemble is not necessary, just look if a gap exists between the sensor and the mesh.

I'm going to try it without the foam but this is in my opinion not the solution.
If this is a production error all users should have this problem?

[edcito]

Well, the solution would be to take out the piezo, and cut a piece of foam larger enough so that it touches the mesh, and solder it again......
If you don't like my proposed solution, well, you should buy your soldering kit right now....

[MisterE]

Well, the solution would be to take out the piezo, and cut a piece of foam larger enough so that it touches the mesh, and solder it again......
If you don't like my proposed solution, well, you should buy your soldering kit right now....

Although i'm quite handy and have the tools. Rather they fix it, now it's still in warranty.
More important, if this is a production error we should inform the company.

I'm willing to write the mail but i am waiting for feedback of more mk2 users first.

[edcito]

I'm willing to write the mail but i am waiting for feedback of more mk2 users first.

Bengt is aware of it already, I sent him some emails last week. In my case, warranty is not an option since I bought it from the UK and I'm in Australia, so for me the simplest and cheapest solution is get rid of the foam.

[MisterE]

Bengt is aware of it already, I sent him some emails last week. In my case, warranty is not an option since I bought it from the UK and I'm in Australia, so for me the simplest and cheapest solution is get rid of the foam.

I did not actually tried to remove the foam. The foam pushes the mesh a little bit outside. And i suppose it divides the impact of the beatings (thus protecting the mesh)
Probably a new foam will suffice. I'm going to write 2box and supply them of this URL.

Maybe they will send you a new foam also....

[edcito]

I did not actually tried to remove the foam. The foam pushes the mesh a little bit outside. And i suppose it divides the impact of the beatings (thus protecting the mesh)
Probably a new foam will suffice. I'm going to write 2box and supply them of this URL.

Maybe they will send you a new foam also....

Don't be afraid to remove the foam Nothing will happen to the pad or mesh (assuming you are not lars ulrich or sth)

I think the foam protects the rings of all pads, but since you will never play a ring in the kick (will you?) I reckon the foam is not necessary at all in the kick.... provided you tension the mesh evenly and tight enough of course....

[Baby Samus]

Don't be afraid to remove the foam

I would advise against removing the foam - it is, as MisterE says, there to cushion the mesh from the rim and should compress when the mesh is tightened properly.  The tightness will compress the foam more and therefore bring the mesh closer to the trigger and at the same time increase the density and strength of the foam.  Finding the correct head tension is very important, as it can really change triggering.

Try slowly changing head tension, then different threshold and gain settings, or different velocity curves before removing anything.  I have the same foam ring and it should work fine when calibrated...

[MisterE]

Try slowly changing head tension, then different threshold and gain settings, or different velocity curves before removing anything.  I have the same foam ring and it should work fine when calibrated...

Do you also have the same size gap between the foam and the mesh.

[Baby Samus]

When the mesh head on my bass drum is tightened, the foam touches the mesh.  The trigger sensor is also touching the mesh.  In other words, the bass drum head should be tightened enough to compress the foam to roughly the same height as the trigger - this should have the effect of closely aligning the mesh with the foam and trigger.

If I can get a camera I'll post a pic...

[MisterE]

When the mesh head on my bass drum is tightened, the foam touches the mesh.  The trigger sensor is also touching the mesh.  In other words, the bass drum head should be tightened enough to compress the foam to roughly the same height as the trigger - this should have the effect of closely aligning the mesh with the foam and trigger.

If I can get a camera I'll post a pic...

I've  now tightened the screws as fast as i could (without excessive force). The gap is about 1.5 millimeter. I assume it's not normal tightening them so hard?
I'm using the heel-down method, so probably not the hardest impact.

I use:
Curve: normal
Gain: 0
Threshold: -36

for all other pads/cybals i have normal volume with these settings. For the kick it's almost impossible to hear. I use Type "kick2".

I uploaded some more pictures. Can you please compare?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/830/cimg2108.jpg/
details:
* foam is 3CM high
* the sensor top is 9mm, measured from the end of the metal (see picture)
* i removed some foam at the places of the screwholes (see arrows in the picture)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/cimg2111l.jpg/
As you can see in this picture, the sensor is just above the rim

Is this the same with your pad? Sorry, my native language is not English. Hope the pictures makes it clear.

[BURNIN AMBITION]

thanx for this great thread. i found out that they didnt put a foam ring in my kick, so probably this is a vital reason why i am getting so many double triggers. bengt already knows it, solution will be made soon. thanx

[MisterE]

Before making changes of my own i could really use the community's help!! Is there really something different with my pad? like the position of the sensor?
I could really use feedback guys!
Only measure the size of the foam underneath the sensor...