Hihat 'Foot Chick' triggers top hit

[ezzviah]

So, I'm enjoying my 2Box since 2 weeks now. I had a broken hihat pad but that has been fixed and so far really happy with the whole response and the sounds. The ride triggering I've been reading a lot about on this forum seems perfect for me. So, is it perfect then?

MMmmm... not yet... a few things to work out. So, let's start with the hihat

The overal response over the hihat is really good. But when playing the hihat by foot to get the 'chick chick' sound, very often a hihat bow sound is also triggered. It seems at the moment the hihat reaches the top position again, the bow sound is triggered. Especially when using my hihat stand with stronger spring the miss-trigger sound is louder. It seems the piezo is really sensitive.

So, what I did was lowering the spring tension of the hihat stand and increasing the distance between open and closing position. This way the hihat barely reaches the top position so mistriggering is pretty much reduced. However, this asks for a different playing style, I still need to get used to.

Does anyone have the same experience?
Any other suggestions?

[edcito]

which stand are you using? Some stands have a bit of play in the rod so every time you do a chick the rod moves a bit and the 2box magnet interprets it as another hit, getting a bow sound as your case. I'll suggest you checking the rod is tight enough and without so much play.

As for me, I use a Iron Cobra stand and I notice the magnet really moves around more than I would like to, every time I do a splash or a chick and I end up having an open sound additional to the foot splash or chick. And I'm experiencing the same as you: the slightest touch on the pedal triggers the open sound... really sensitive

[Slap the drummer]

Me too - and I must admit its starting to get a bit annoying, especially since I'm trying to work on getting
my left foot to go chick chick chick without it joining in with what the rest of me's doing.

I thought you were supposed to get an open sound though - but only as long as you kind of bounce your
foot/pedal up off the bottom - that's what I've been calling a "foot splash".  Whereas if the weight is more
on pressing the down stroke you get a closed sound, a chick.  I guess maybe we're calling the same things
by different names, I don't know.  And also I'm using the 2box hihat pedal.

Anyway, I thought my problem was that when playing at anything more than snail tempo I can't make my
foot get the difference between the two strokes, and I get a mish mash of sounds.

I was thinking of asking if the OS could be changed to offer the option of not having what I'm calling the
splash, but just have a chick sound whatever your foot does.

I don't know if that makes sense or if it's a possibility.

But yeah, a solution would be much appreciated.

[ezzviah]

Well.. as far as I've tested it, it seems the bow trigger goes off when the hihat pad hits/stops the top position. When letting it up by hand slowly so there is no hard stop at the top position, nothing is triggered. When pulling it up fast so it really hits the top position, then a zone 3 (bow) is triggered. The thing seems just a bit too sensitive...

It might be because of my 'heel up' playing style, that it occurs more often.

If tested with a 2box- and an Adams-hihat stand. Now using the Adams hihat because I can change the spring tension.

[Slap the drummer]

quote: Well.. as far as I've tested it, it seems the bow trigger goes off when the hihat pad hits/stops the top position.

Interesting to know.  I hadn't bothered to look that closely.  Makes me wonder if I've been trying
to fix the wrong thing.

Out of curiousity I have just cracked open a 2box hihat file tho.
There is both a "Zone8_Open" and a "Zone9_chip open".  Z8 is def a stick crash but
Z9 sounds to me more like a chunking noise followed by a splash......

Sounds like you've got a working solution but I fancy (ie need) something a bit more
bombproof I think.

[BURNIN AMBITION]

well i have noticed that too. the other day when i was inspecting my kit for double triggering or random triggering etc. but since i am getting a new brain, i dont want say anything. when i messed around with the hi hat settings, i could minimise the bow hits but couldnt eliminate them...will come back to this once i get me new brain

[BURNIN AMBITION]

with my new brain all is gone. i put xtrig to max and also i minimised the thresh to the point that the trigers are eliminated. all works awesomely well now. i could never believe it but oit is amazing

[Mopsi]

Yes, thats correct.
But if i minimise the tresh to the point that these triggers are eleminated, my hihat triggers not every normal stickhit i play.
So there has to be another solution.

Mopsi

[BURNIN AMBITION]

it is all a matter of balance. dont turn it too low, you have to find the sweet spot mate

[rcprod]

I am having a similar problem with the hi-hat. Even with the module turned off I can hear two distinct sounds from the hi-hat mechanism. (pad, clutch, etc.) There is one sound when I press all the way down with my foot, and a second click sound when I lift my foot upwards. The hihat is not near the top of its possible distance for movement when the second sound occurs. This problem occurs with both the 2Box stand and a Yamaha stand. It's as if something is physically releasing inside the hi-hat pad itself or the magnet mechanism below the pad each time I lift my foot. When the module is on, the second click when lifting my foot causes the cymbal sound to trigger. Any suggestions? (The first sound I am hearing with the module off and when pressing down may be coming from the hi-hat stand, but the second sound is definitely coming from the pad or magnet area.)

[BURNIN AMBITION]

i dont understand exactly what you mean mate but if you hear cymbal sound, then lower the thres from cymbal .it should be fixed this way

[rcprod]

I bought a Gibraltar hi-hat stand and the problem is resolved. The extra clicking sound heard within the hardware was occurring both with the Yamaha and 2Box stands. The hi-hat rod on the Gibraltar stand seems to be a bit thicker. With the Yamaha stand the clutch mechanism that holds up the pad pulls slightly to one side when tightened on the smaller hi-hat rod. I think this is just enough to off set the bottom of the pad so that it pulls up on the 2Box magnet that is sitting on the stand and therefore causes extra sounds to occur. That's my theory anyway....lol.  Just happy that everything is working properly.

Cheers.

 

[boekhour]

I bought a Gibraltar hi-hat stand and the problem is resolved. The extra clicking sound heard within the hardware was occurring both with the Yamaha and 2Box stands. The hi-hat rod on the Gibraltar stand seems to be a bit thicker. With the Yamaha stand the clutch mechanism that holds up the pad pulls slightly to one side when tightened on the smaller hi-hat rod. I think this is just enough to off set the bottom of the pad so that it pulls up on the 2Box magnet that is sitting on the stand and therefore causes extra sounds to occur. That's my theory anyway....lol.  Just happy that everything is working properly.
Cheers.

Had exactly the same experience with a pearl stand. playing the hihat with the foot when playing the ride cymbal made to much bow sounds etc. Now I have a gibraltar stand and all the extra sounds when dropping the hihats has gone, it now sounds like a real hihat.

[Baby Samus]

Have you guys tried this?

Click UNIT, then click HiHat trigger.  Click Page down till you reach the page marked HPED.  There is a sensitivity setting which is seperate from XTRIG and threshold, and has a value between -6 through to 6.  Try altering this, saving the settings under UNIT then test it.  Alter the sensitivity between -6 and 6 and see if it makes any difference.  I changed mines to a lower setting and 'foot chicks' are now triggered with appropriate level.

Hope that helps. All 2Box owners are well served by replacing the hi-hat stand that comes with the kit tbh glad to hear it solved your problems.

[edcito]

Reviving this thread, I got my hihat 'chicks' triggering properly using a sensitivity of 2, I also set put my hihat not to high on the stand and loosen the spring tension on my iron cobra stand, currently on the second step.

Before that, 'pedal' triggered the zone 4, bow, every time, it's annoying so you have to try different combinations of hardware and software settings to get a proper 'chick', no pun intended....