Hi Hat Rating

[Stircrazy32]

Hello out there . I'm new to E drumming and  2Box as well ( two years).  I could use help and opinions on best Hi Hat for 2boxdrumit 5 mk2. I've slogged through most of the setting up and tweaking and I have the system triggering great and sounding better the more  play with the  sound settings ( attack hold decay.ect). I use FSR pads for drums and Yamaha 3 zone cymbals. I DIY 'd a HiHat using a Roland variable controller with a 12" Lemon brand 2 zone cymbal. Thats the weakest link in the kit. It sounds fairly  good but not as good as the Roland or other name brands on YouTube Demos. With everything else sounding and feeling so real Ive got to be sure I got the best Hi Hat. I am considering a Roland Vh 10.. Any advise ? Or should I try a better sound file from a VST.?
  Thanks  In the future I'll shoot for brevity.

[welshsteve]

Is how it sounds or how it plays that's the problem?

[Stircrazy32]

Hi Thanks for responding. I think its the playability. Im holding it to a pretty high standard . the edge of the Lemon is kinda thick so it sometimes triggers by the shaft of the stick. That i know falls under playability. It plays ever phase accurately just feels sluggish when i put it through its paces. Im trying for that last 10% improvment. If its possible.

[welshsteve]

Okay, lemon top cymbal, what controller are you using?

[Stircrazy32]

  Hey Steve i'm using a Roland Vh 10 or 11 controller. I reset the raw value to 850 (recomended for Roland ) Recalibrated and it seems tighter. I also moved the cymbal so I'm not hitting the hot spot. It was drowning out the edge sound when rocking the stick bow/ edge style. So now I'm thinking its sounding and triggering very good. My problem is it feels like a tom hit not hard rigid like a HiHat. So that makes a ear/ hand latency sort of.. It sounds good tho .I think. So it boils down to the way it feels mainly .unless you think a Roland hihat cymbal would trigger better. I have no Idea. Welcome your opinion.
Thanks Steve

[welshsteve]

I have only tried a Lemon crash, and it was okay. I cannot comment on it as a hihat.

"Feels like a tom hit, not rigid like a hihat" do you meant how it actually physically feels? If that's the case, that a thing of rubber cymbals with a soft edge. You'll find that from most if not all Rubber hihats cymbals.

I would recommend a metal or low volume cymbal. Where are you based?

[Stircrazy32]

Hi Im located in Long Island NewYork. Yes a real feel type would solve it as long as it triggered as well . The Roland Controller has a metal base if thats relevant. I looked at Jobeky cymbals. Do they work well with 2box?

[welshsteve]

Yes they do. I just so happen to have a 13" top cymbal that I am not using. I'd only want £50 for it. I only don't use it as I am up to my ears in Yamaha/LV cymbals (just bought another set, because they were going really cheap and I cannot resist a bargain)

The pisser is the shipping.

[welshsteve]

Alternatively... depending on what kind of budget you might have, contact Extremedrums, I am sure he can knock you up a 13" low volume cymbal top. His stuff is very highly rated. He's USA bases, not sure where but no doubt the shipping will be way lower and without import taxes.

[Stircrazy32]

 Yeah, Hold that thought. Id try that 13" except for the shipping ect.  But it still may be worth it.. Ill check the cost. where are you? I looked up extremedrums There aren"t any cymbals on their site . I emailed them tho to double check. I have a unused 2box HiHat If I  sell that I'll put $ towards the new one. Thanks for reminding me. Know anything about Pintech? they have low volume style too. Hi Hats are wired the same as 2 zone crash Right?
Thanks

[welshsteve]

Yeah the pintech LV cymbals are wired (I would assume) like a crash cymbal. i.e. A piezo with a membrane switch element on the edge, most likely underneath. The bending of the cymbal when hit creates the switch activation.

The Jobeky one I have, is from their Real Feel or Brass series. It's basically a cheap cymbal on the top, a second plate underneath with a neoprene layer between. When the edge is hit, it bends and touches the 2nd layer and creates the edge switch.

Extreme drums doesn't have cymbals on his site, but I am lead to believe that he does make them if you contact him directly. Don't know why he doesn't advertise them myself.

I am based in UK.

[Stircrazy32]

I did contact them they responded in the affrimative . Ill have further contact with them .Im guessing ill send the specs . and get a quote

[Stircrazy32]

Hi Still undecided on the hihat change over. Anyone know about the Yamaha hi hat? I read something about 3 zones? Does Drumit.2 work 3 zone with Yamaha hh pad Rh135? Thanks. Can't use Extreme drum HH too heavy for cable HiHat. Only 14" available. Too bad for me.

[welshsteve]

The Yamaha Hihat is 2 zone. But, the PCY135 is a 3 zone crash cymbal with a foot controller (eg Roland FD7) in certain circumstances will give you 3 zones of Edge, Bow and Bell.

You can get this with an edrumin, either the 4 channel one or the 10 channel one.

Also, I THINK the Yamaha has a 4 stage open-close per zone rather than a continuous curve. But, if this is true, I am not 100% if its to do with the module or the hihat controller. Perhaps someone can clarify. I am gonna do some digging on that and will confirm when I find that out for sure.

Unfortunately, 2box hihats are 2 zone operation and that's down to how the module bundles hihat voices into one sound.

As far as I know, Gewa and Efnote 5 (and above) are the only ones that have 3 zone hihats.

[Slamstick]

Stir crazy, I think you can send Marshall at Extremedrums .com a 13 inches volume cymbal as well as other companies like Saluda and he can trigger it for you and send it to you. I am sure he would be willing