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Lollingsgrad

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Getting good module sounds quickly and easily?
« on: May 30, 2021, 10:43:28 AM »
Absolute beginner with 2box here, sorry if this is the wrong place to post.

I'm thinking of getting a Drumit 5 MK2 with the aim being to get a JoBeky kit with the most realistic drum kits I can get on a module short of stumping up for a Mimic. Thing is I've never used a VST before. What's the easiest route to getting what I want? Pre-made kits I can buy? Get a VST and do it myself? If the latter, EZDrummer, Superior Drummer, or something else?

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Re: Getting good module sounds quickly and easily?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2021, 07:17:49 AM »
The short answer is "yes" to getting a VST you like, then using a program like Reaper, Cubase, Logic, Garage Band etc to make various hits of each drum sound/cymbal you like. Then use the drumit editor app to make a single sound file for the drumit5.
There are tutorials you can use to show you how. There are places you can buy individual sound samples of drums as individual WAV files and will make the process quicker.
Personally, I would concentrate on getting the module first, getting familiar with how to get it playing good for you and using the already big 2box sound library that exists already as there's no shortage of very good drum sounds available.
Have you seen the Drumtech promo vid for the Drumit5 Mk2? That's a very good snapshot of what's in the box from the start.
Anyway... once you have got familiar with the module's triggering and set up, then look at getting a VST of your choosing and then go down that Rabbit hole of customs sounds!
« Last Edit: May 31, 2021, 07:21:31 AM by welshsteve »

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Re: Getting good module sounds quickly and easily?
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2021, 07:20:50 AM »
Oh for the record, it goes against copywrite to share samples from VST libraries. If you own the VST yourself, the general consensus is that the companies turn a blind eye to personal use, but openly advertising or sharing said sounds will be very quickly shot down.
Just for you to know.

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Re: Getting good module sounds quickly and easily?
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2021, 09:29:47 AM »
The short answer is "yes" to getting a VST you like

Do you have any tips on which is best for the express purpose of getting good sound for the 2box module? I would just be working on my laptop, it's a powerful one but I don't have a dedicated sound card.

Reaper, Cubase, Logic, Garage Band etc to make various hits of each drum sound/cymbal you like.

I don't have any of these so is one particularly good? I guess I'd need one that could trigger 127 layers of volume :P

There are tutorials you can use to show you how.

I read this a lot but rarely in the presence of links! So far I've found the 2box one on YouTube,

https://youtu.be/jk3ib6fEH7s

Then a couple of 10 year old stickies in the setup guide forum section. Is there a zero prerequisite guide someone might recommend to e.g. go from SD3 to a multisampled drum kit in 2box?

Have you seen the Drumtech promo vid for the Drumit5 Mk2? That's a very good snapshot of what's in the box from the start.

I have, yes. Unfortunately it's my opinion that other companies have the stock sounds beat particularly in cymbal samples e.g. ATV (problem is I think 2box has better drum sounds). It's a personal thing so I'm sure plenty of people will disagree with me but this is why I'm only interested in 2box for the deep end of things! The answer may well be that I'd be better off just getting an easier module though.

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Re: Getting good module sounds quickly and easily?
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2021, 09:47:10 AM »
Is there a zero prerequisite guide someone might recommend to e.g. go from SD3 to a multisampled drum kit in 2box?

Might've answered my own question here, SDSE looks like what I want.

https://www.2box-forum.com/index.php?topic=1544.0

I don't have any of these so is one particularly good? I guess I'd need one that could trigger 127 layers of volume :P

Also got an answer to this; REAPER, because that's what SDSE wants.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2021, 10:01:03 AM by Lollingsgrad »

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Re: Getting good module sounds quickly and easily?
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2021, 10:06:41 PM »
Ripping a sample using 127 steps of dynamics is not necessary, for starters it'll clog the units processing power. Honestly, 30 steps of dynamics is all you'd need!
Having done A LOT of sample ripping once you get past 30 steps of dynamics, you don't notice the extra layers. I used to do 36 just to add a little bit more, but it wasn't noticeable but the results were excellent!
I never bothered with cymbals though, I was fine and dandy happy with the 2box cymbals sounds. The more modern ones most specifically, the older ones didn't have a nice tight hhat articulation, they have improved on that since the drumit3.

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Re: Getting good module sounds quickly and easily?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2021, 09:46:41 PM »
Personally, I would concentrate on getting the module first, getting familiar with how to get it playing good for you and using the already big 2box sound library that exists already as there's no shortage of very good drum sounds available.

Got my Drumit 5 MK2. Have to admit actually, these stock sounds ARE pretty good. There's some decent cymbals in there too. Coming from a TD4 this is just fantastic. The expressiveness I can get from the hihat using the exact same FD8 and CY5 as I was using on that TD4 is phenomenal; I can't believe how much the module was holding everything back.

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Re: Getting good module sounds quickly and easily?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2021, 07:33:03 AM »
I have a DrumIt 3, so I'm not sure if the 5 Mk2 already has all of 2box samples built-in, but if not, they are available at 2box-drums.com. I think the 5 Mk2 had some samples built-in that weren't listed on the website (at least the Gretsch US Maple and Sonor SQ kits), but I'm not sure if it's the other way round for some others.

If you decide to use VST exports, I should warn that you may encounter latency depending on various little factors. Getting rid of it may require some advanced editing of trigger settings as well as SDSE export parameters. There's discussion about it in various threads.