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Drumsounds from Mainstage 3 / logic pro?

Started by Matfarsan, March 09, 2020, 05:53:20 PM

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Matfarsan

Has anybody extracted the drumsounds form Apple´s Mainstage och Locig Pro and tried to use it in the module?
In that case did it work well or was it a waste of time doing so?

edcito

No need when you have a broad selection of VST's out there like AD2, SD3, SSD5 etc.

Matfarsan

For me who hasn’t got these VST it would be a lot cheaper with the Logic Pro sounds then by the VST’s first.

edcito

#3
But what you get from logic drummer are stereo files isn't? you don't get separate channels for every drum/cymbal. Edit: I just checked Logic and you in fact get individual tracks in the "Producer Kits" Library, in that case if you're comfortable with logic and understand how a 2box sound is created then it's worth a try.

ANGR77

#4
Hi!
You could quite easily create your own 2box.dsnd samples from Logic Pro X. (takes about a hour to do it...)

1. If you use the fantastic DSOUNDTool http://shortestpath.se/dsoundtool/... first, it can create a midi file with all velocities for a special note. You can select which note...and how many layers you need. (Max is 99 layers - and you can select the time between the samples)


2. This midi file can then be imported to Logic Pro X. (To a virtual sound track)


3. Then you just use a good sound from the drum section in Logic. I took the Sunset #3 snare...and to do something unique...I added some effects like a reverb + plus a chained gate.


4. Export the whole thing as one wave file (16 bit PCM, 44.1kHz) from Logic Pro X.

5. Use the DSoundTool to create the dsnd file - select - snare - pick the Zone 3 Head - and select your wavefile from Logic.
Follow the dialog...save it as *.dsnd file!



6. Ready! (You could also redo the whole thing in Logic Pro X and also add a rim sound also from the same snare...or the rest of the drums in Logic Pro X)

7. Result: https://zourman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Drumsample_Gated2.zip - Hope Apple does not kill me for this...

Best Regards

Anders / Zourman.com
Sonor Safari, Pearl Crystalbeat, Zourman Triggers, Roland & Triggera, 2box Cymbals & HH, RT-10, KT-10, BT-1, VH-11/12/13, ATV hh, KT-10, 14C/13R/15R, PCY-155, MD, 2Box 5 MK1&II & 3, DD4SE, Pearl ButtKicker Addictive Drums 2.1.14, all ADPaks moved to 2box, Zourman Conversion Gears www.zourman.com

Matfarsan

ANGR77!
That´s great
Thanks alot for the info and help.
I will try to "sample" some sounds from my TD-30 this way and do a .dsnd file and see how it works
/Anders

edcito

Quote from: Matfarsan on March 15, 2020, 08:23:08 PM
ANGR77!
That´s great
Thanks alot for the info and help.
I will try to "sample" some sounds from my TD-30 this way and do a .dsnd file and see how it works
/Anders

The td-30 samples are not multilayered.... you can create a dsnd with 200 samples but if they are not multilayered/round robin'ed you'll end up with an AK-47....

Matfarsan

Quote from: edcito on March 15, 2020, 08:38:43 PM
The td-30 samples are not multilayered.... you can create a dsnd with 200 samples but if they are not multilayered/round robin'ed you'll end up with an AK-47....
I’m not sure about that.
If I record say the snare with different velocity the sound is different.
Say I record it with velocity on the midi file to 120 and then one with 20 and gain so both files are -1dB they won’t sound exactly the same. So I hope this won’t be an machine gun sounding .dsnd file.

ANGR77

Right, if you record the audio output from a Td-30...with different velocity...Roland will not machine gun...and when the sound are finally stored in 2box...they will definitely not machine gun...

Anders / www.zourman.com
Sonor Safari, Pearl Crystalbeat, Zourman Triggers, Roland & Triggera, 2box Cymbals & HH, RT-10, KT-10, BT-1, VH-11/12/13, ATV hh, KT-10, 14C/13R/15R, PCY-155, MD, 2Box 5 MK1&II & 3, DD4SE, Pearl ButtKicker Addictive Drums 2.1.14, all ADPaks moved to 2box, Zourman Conversion Gears www.zourman.com

edcito

I don't know, too much hassle to create dsnds from some plastic sounds.... if you have a 2box you are wasting this by sampling a td-30... just buy addictive drums or ssd5 and sample those instead...

Matfarsan

Quote from: edcito on March 16, 2020, 08:46:59 AM
I don't know, too much hassle to create dsnds from some plastic sounds.... if you have a 2box you are wasting this by sampling a td-30... just buy addictive drums or ssd5 and sample those instead...
Have you heard the sound from the TD-30?
Which of then do you think are plastic?
I’ve used my module live many times and never heard anybody complained about a plastic sound.

tsss27

I have to agree. I don't know why you'd want to sample Roland drums. They are far less expressive than the 2Box sounds with only a couple of velocity samples. To each their own, and you can certainly do it but the quality compared to stock sounds (let alone 3rd party libraries) will be below par.