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#841
I'm doing this from an iPad and can't seem to be able to attach an image. I'll try on the computer shortly. But to further the discussion, you may not see the break, it can be less than a millimetre to break a connection. Here's a way of checking it.

Plug in the offending trigger to the module, but don't mount it on a drum. Make sure the threasholds is quite low, say -36 or something. While holding it in one hand tap the piezo with your finger and with another finger press on the piezo so you're compressing the foam. If you hear the occasional triggering of the sound, it's a break in one of the connections.

Pic of best way to solder it (if thats what you choose to do) to follow.
#842
General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Re: My daughter broke it!
January 05, 2016, 03:30:33 PM
I've seen a hihat pad assembly pop up on eBay a few times. But the DIY Jman option could a more viable one. Also a company called Padtech make a hihat controller for 2box module too.

http://padtechdrums.com/en/hihats/44-pe-hihat-controller
#843
General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Re: Trigit snare settings
January 05, 2016, 03:09:35 PM
Hello and thanks for the reply.
I attach the trigit on the rim, about 11 o'clock. I strike the drum roughly around the centre every time. There's not much adjustment room as its a fixed piezo position on the trigger.
#844
General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Trigit snare settings
January 05, 2016, 04:49:13 AM
Hello,
I have an issue (apart from breaking the connections, but that's on another thread) with triggering the 2box module with the trigit triggers on an acoustic snare with a Mylar head.
The settings are thus...
Acc 1,
Gain 0
Threashold - 36
Mask - 2

Rim - gain 0
Threshold - 16
Mask - 6

Not 100% on these but it's about that.

The problem?

Well playing on the centre of the drum, no issue. Tracks flams, rolls etc fine.

But I rim shot every back beat of a groove and what comes out is very inconsistent. Slight rim shots, ie if I'm not LEATHERING IT, can vary from an almighty "whack" with some audio phasing, to just a whimper of a note.

If I LEATHER every back beat, it's almost as inconsistent. It's difficult to convey in words what I mean. But I've set the gain right, IE hardest hits register a 0db value. I've tried setting it higher, and lower. Different mask times, higher threasholds, acc 2 as well as 3 (which is awful for snare anyway unless you don't okay anything faster than a 16th note at 120 sorta thing)

I recall I had the same issue with pintech trigger perfect triggers. Maybe even the Ddrum ones too, can't remember.

Don't have it with the 12" snare pad though.

Anyone else had/have this?
#845
Hey,
I've had many break on me, so you're not alone. Before trigit I had every series of Ddrum ones they make, and all had the same issue.
Basically, the wire breaks at the solder point. 90% of the time it's the blue wire. Having had some correspondence with 2box, they've looked into it and concluded that the blue wire is soldered to close to the edge of the piezo thus making it hinge during hits and vibrations. They've suggested to resolder closer into the disc, which I've done. They offered to do it for me if I sent them to them but not having time off the road, it opted to do it myself. I assume they've realised this flaw and had the factory to amend this soldering on newer batches.
I cannot say just yet if it's sorted the problem longer term, but I'll report back one way or another.
If I can attach a photo of what they mean, I will.
Steve
#846
Ah,
Sorry I needed to free up some space and forgot to re-upload if. If you email me, I can mail it to you directly.
Welshsteve@mac.com
#847
DrumIt 5 Hardware / Re: 2box snare not responding
December 08, 2015, 03:12:39 AM
Just recently found the same thing. Slacken the head off, so it's really spongey, triggers fine. A couple of turns to tighten the repsonse, no triggering at all. I took the head off a and had a look at the piezo wiring, no break, at least none I could see.
The Ddrum Cast precision pads were the best, I wish they'd bring these back! The old Ddrum3 and 4 also has position sensing. The 2box module is by far the best sounding, but I miss pressure and position sensing.
#848
Just curious, does anyone else have issues with the rotary dials? Turnin clockwise up voices only to see it skip back 5 not forward. And vise versa? It's random, sometimes I skips several increments, others just the one or two. Other times, it doesn't move at all. I was wondering if it's a dust on the contact issue or something. I've only ever used my module so I've nothing to compare it to.
#849
Quote from: Jman on October 03, 2015, 01:06:37 AM
.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MroONulN7rM

I know the guy in the video. His name is Ben Stone, from South Wales. Plays with Tom Jones, Mike And The Mechanics and Roachford! He's a lovely guy and not only a superb drummer, but a general excellent musician on various instrument.

Hi Ben (if you're reading this by any chance!!!)
#850
Quote from: wildhorse5678 on May 28, 2015, 10:01:54 PM
By the way on the 2box triggers both the snare and toms have rim triggering.

Yeah my apologies, I took for granted they'd follow suit of all the others I.e. Snare, two sensors, toms and kicks, one.

I'm expecting a pack plus some extras through the post any day now. I'm about to embark on a 90 or so date tour and am really excited to be using them but a little nervous as to their reliability, hence I've asked to be supplied with a few transducers incase I need to make some repairs. I did with every Ddrum trigger they make and even the pintech ones. The latter being a lot easier as they don't require any soldering, just a quick whip off the ashesive of the new transducer, snap in the connector and you're away. The downside is they don't work well with the 2box module, I had to dampen the drums down a LOT to get them to trigger okay.

So how have they been for you, any trigger failures?
#851
Quote from: wildhorse5678 on May 16, 2015, 06:37:48 PM
As previously reported i got a set of Trigitt trigers a couple of weeks ago. Owing to holidays its only today that i have had opportunity to upgrade my module to the new op system and try out the triggers.

The acoustic set im using is Sonor Select Force jungle kit ...16" kick, 10 + 14" toms, 12" Tama snare all  with normal plastic drum heads.

First, i had not used any type of trigger before but i found it quite easy to fix them to the metal hoops. For the wooden hoops of the kick drum, the trigger also came with an additional rubber spacer and it took a bit longer to get the possitioning right.

I then connected the triggers to the Dumit5 unit. I chose toms 2 and 3. As well as kick and snare.

It was quite easy to select the trigger setting for the new triggers in the drumit5 unit. I connected the unit to a roland drum monitor.

Initially i found it difficult to tell if the triggers were working. This was because i could hear the acoustic drum sounds. I found that i had to turn both the output volume of the Drumit5 unit and the volume on the monitor up fully before i could tell that there were other sounds being tiggered in addition to the natural sounds of the acoustic drums themselves. 

The real drum heads mask a lot of the different characteristics of the different inbuilt kits, so you cant hear the same layers and sublties of the sounds that you do with the mesh heads on the 2box pads. However, running through the 100 sets, it did become obvious that there were differences... But they are not as pronounced.

However, remember that i was playing a small kit of drums and what this system did do  was make them sound HUGE in tone and fattness of the sound.  Particularly the 16 inch kick drum and the toms, not so much the snare.  The rim triggers worked fine ... You just have to remember that not all the kits do have rim sounds.

I havent yet played this set up with my band... Or via a PA.. That will happen next week as we have a gig lined up in one of Sheffields top music pubs.  Ill report back any comments.

Oh one last thing the ”synth drum sounds" particularly are not as pronounced because of the acoustic drum sounds ... It may be when fed through a PA they will be more prominant.

I have toured triggering the 2box with Ddrum triggers which triggered great, almost NO dampening at all and on a pretty resonant Tama Starclassic maple kit. The kick was the only challenge. If I was a single pedal player, it would have been fine, just some fast double kick stuff it didn't trigger perfectly unless I dampened the kick drum, which I did and it was fine. Until the triggers themselves started failing, systematically! (not great if that happens mid show) So I have been eager to check out these new triggers when I tour later this year.

But I thought I would suggest some tips that worked for me in terms of knowing if it's triggering well (you said you couldn't tell because of the acoustic noise of the actual kit)
1. Decent monitoring! I only had one 15" active wedge to my left for the first two weeks, then I opted for a headphone amp as my monitor as my I has my own mix, seemed like a better option than having to dick with a 15" active wedge, especially when stages can be a bit tight for space. I used a cheap Behringer 4 channel headphone amp that I had lying around doing nothing. I used my Bose headphones with shut out enough of the ambient noise to check a fantastic mix in my head without having the "din" of the rest of the band's amps and monitors confusing your perception of the on stage noise, which will change due to your threshold of hearing lowing through long and loud gigs.
2. If it's an acoustic representation your going for, it's a good tip to tune the drums as near as damn it to the note of each drum otherwise you'll notice the two-tones (triggered vs acoustic) conflicting. If you're using a kit which is an electronic sample (TR808 kick snare, Simmons) then this doesn't matter.
3. Careful setting up of gains and thresholds for each drum. This is a given but worth noting.
4. Selecting trigger type. You mentioned tom 1, 2, 3. Not sue if you meant "pad" or the new acoustic algorithms or not, again this is a given but I thought I'd mention it.
5. Don't get obsessed with drums false triggering a little. In my early days of triggering it a real problem but once you set gains right and threshold, a little false triggering especially as it will be very low on the velocity curve (not 30 or below) will actually make it sound a bit more realistic. After all, when you whack a snare, the rest of the kit will ring a little anyway.
6. A little bit of muffling can make a massive difference. As I explained, the acoustic noise and the sampled trigger together can be an amazing thing to hear together, oh boy! But I found a little muffling, Zero rings or Moon Gel, makes the samples stand out a little more. And this isn't to do with better triggering, though you might find that as a side effect on really ring floor toms, but just for you to pick out the sample.
7. Adjust velocity curve. In a perfect environment, the normal curve is perfect with pads and makes for a damn near perfect representation of an acoustic drum. But as we know, live with everyone else blasting at 104-106 db can be a different matter. I found having a more heavy curve on kick drum, slightly less so on toms and only a little on the snare will make the ghost strokes stand out, tom flurries and fast funky kick drum patterns definable. Of course, too much will make it sound robotic, but on a gig or a rehearsal, try starting with the next curve (can remember if it's linear or Pos1) and try and make out the improvement. Obviously you need to be able to differentiate between the sample and the acoustic noise of the kit.

Hope this helps.

Steve

PS you mentioned not all sound have rim voices. Are you talking about snare or toms? It's my understanding that the TrigIt toms are single triggers whereas the snare as the piezo for the rim too.
#852
Quote from: Murgen on May 04, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Well organized!
Absolutely, I shocking attention to detail. Not that it matters, it surprises me someone with this diligence has and old Nokia Symbian OS phone!  ;)
#853
Quote from: jsnkc on May 22, 2015, 05:23:45 PM
Thats a bummer.  I was really ready to pull the trigger and buy one of these if it wasn't for this hi-hat issue.  I'm not a very technical person and would have no idea how to make anything like that.
As mentioned, Jman has a brilliant work round. It might actually be even better than than the 2box method and you get to keep the visualities!
#854
Quote from: edtc on December 04, 2011, 10:45:03 PM
... i hope they gonna sell a lot more !!!

we 2boxers have to make more promotion for this great product !!!

maybe it s the orange color that makes some people hesitate....

I felt the same about the red bit when they were Ddrum. They have a knack for standing out. I saw a video of a chap on youtube who'd painted his orange parts black and I have to admit, they looked great. I saw on a recent Namm video they 2box were displaying Green pads (and probably others too) so I am not sure if it was a reflection of them going into shipping the pads at least in various colours. 
#855
DrumIt 5 Hardware / Re: 2 box with Pintech
May 27, 2015, 12:55:01 AM
Quote from: hemiboy on October 20, 2014, 12:02:18 AM
Anybody using Pintech Phoenix and or Pintech concert cast pads with 2 box? Curious how they trigger!
The Drumit 5 has had a recent firmware update with some new trigger algorithms, I am in no doubt you'd have no issue even if the "pad" types didn't work perfectly, my guess is they'd be fine. I love Pintech stuff, absolutely BOMB proof stuff!
Vistalite hats aren't designed for it though as standard. But someone on here (can't think who) has an option for turning a normal hi hat stand into a decent (perhaps even better) working hi hat controller for the 2box module, so you could still use it where the foot plate becomes the magnet part instead of the magnet being the bottom hat on the standard 2box pad.