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Hey everyone, just to keep you upto date. I haven't had any time to do any edits to the sounds, been a very hectic time away, now home working crazy hours and gigging all weekends. But, I WILL get around to adding the 2nd crash and doing the hihats.

I will then perhaps redo all the drums, looking more closely at eq, stereo imaging, phase alignments. I will also do a full dry version of the kit too. That'll be just direct and overheads. This will be intended for live use and better for multi channel outputs to mixers etc.

Quote from: Ritchiedrums on November 29, 2022, 01:24:55 AM6

As that is the best one (IMHO) and the direct for better use live, I may delete the others as having that many version isn't really beneficial.
Quote from: Ritchiedrums on November 20, 2022, 02:59:51 PMVideo with All Samples

You sir, are a good man. Thank you for making the video. I commented on it just now. I still have another crash to make and the biggest one, the hihats.

Some of these sounds are a work in progress, might need to look a little closer at the layers, processing... the ambience levels etc.

Perhaps I'll go the totally dry route, just a little over heads for stereo image but lose the room? I am not sure... But feedback welcome.

What's the consensus?
Ah great. Yeah it worked for me, larger drums might need thicker foam. So 1" might be fine for a 12" snare or tom, but 14" - 16" might need 1.5 or 2 inch, 18 to 20, 3 inch.. you get the idea. Nothing stoping keeping strips and adding to the inner side as you go until the desired dampening is achieved. As it's not dampening the middle, it had little effect on the feel of the head.
Larger drums will generally be the hardest to get triggering right. A thicker mesh head is recommended or some muffling.
If you plan the muffling route, a simple solution I found which worked a treat is a layer of foam covering the inside of the shell, top head to bottom head and about 1.5" thick. Measure it so it's just a little longer than the depth of the drum, so that bottom and top head push against it. And if its just a little longer than the inner circumference of the drum, it will push against itself inside as well as top to bottom making it remain in place.

The best thing about this method is you can afford a more snare drum like triggering set up rather than going the AC1 or AC2 trigger type route, which will be better for more intricate playing on the floor tom.
Setup guides and tips / Re: Mounting Di5 Mk2 to Mk1 rack
November 19, 2022, 01:25:44 AM
I came back to this thread and realised what you meant!

When I had a Mk1 Module, I mounted to the hihat stand with a Tama clamp.That rod went into a normal Cymbal arm fine.

The clamp was a Tama MC56 universal clamp:

Here's the best pic I have of it, it's not a good pic but hopefully you can get an idea.

Thanks for the feedback. I tried these samples in the mimic pro editor, with not great results I have to say. Ride faired the best and most usable. Toms, okay. 12" snare was okay too. But lacking in something... need more experimentation with the editor perhaps. Anyway the general consensus on 2box modules has been very positive. Drone Tigger Systems (Mike Timms, or Kittoys on eBay) has been very complimentary about them.

Damn, I wished I kept at least one 2box module now just to try these out. Maybe a Christmas present to myself, hmmmm!.
For anyone wanting to try out some samples of my kit, all drums have been moved to this folder. There's a hihat and 2 crashes to be done still, when I do them, they'll be in this folder.

There's 5 toms in there too. 8 x 8, 10 x 8, 12 x 8, 13 x 9 and 15 x 14. All have a rimshot and rimclick versions. All have a small amount of ambience but only the 10 has a dry versions. It was by mistake, but I might make dry versions of the rest in time. It's just a very long process, holy crap!

I noticed on the 8 x 8 rimshot, during the sampling process, it seems like the pitch of the drum changed as I was sampling it. Either that or the rimshot articulation does actually bend the note, I was hitting it very hard, so perhaps that's what it is, but just thought to mention I didn't notice at the time.

Hope you like, any and all feedback welcomed. 
I am 99% sure it's magnetic running on the original 2box trigger preset. I tried one out think it was last year, it feels very much like the ATV hihat. The caveat is though its single zone triggering only the bow (or maybe the edge.. can't remember) articulation, but felt lovely to play on.
I am a bit late to reply to this, but just wondered why you'd want these? Is it for use in a Drumit Module? It was a decent module in the early 2000's but sonically, not on par with what's about today.

Besides, getting samples from this module wouldnt be easy. You'd need to record a range of midi notes per zone per pad into a daw (decide with or without reverb or effects) and then cut them up into individual samples.

It can be done, but it's a fair bit of work.
General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Re: VH11 Turn problem
November 12, 2022, 01:47:49 AM
I had the 2box drumit5 kit for 8 years, the 12" pad too. I never had a double trigger issue. As long as it's using the PAD12 trigger preset. I think with new OS updates they might have different ones.
Okay so, what mesh head are you using on it currently? You might have a piezo issue, like a faulty connection, which isn't completely broken but vibration separates the connection just a little when played, that will make double triggering happen.
The O rings are used to keep the plastic rim attached to the main pad, they break over time and so the RIM doesn't sit very well against the drum pad shell. Easy fix though, I bought a load off eBay, cost about £2 for 50 of them. They weren't exactly the right ones but they worked.
I feel like some of your issues can be rectified!

As for a good pad to replaced it, honestly, any 12" (or larger if need be) snare drum will work with a reasonable trigger inside and a nice thick mesh head, with perhaps some dampening if necessary.

I actually got really good results with a Tama 12 x 5 steel drum, a Roland Powerply head and a 2box and Trigit rim mounded trigger. I can't recall the settings exactly but it was basic stuff. Pad12 preset, set the gain to 0db on hardest hits, threshold just below my softest hits, a POS1 curve, no cross talk (as it was on a snare stand) I probably would have saved ££££ if I had stuck with that set up!

Later, I used an internal trigger, a Triggera Intrig, which also worked really well too.

General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Re: VH11 Turn problem
November 11, 2022, 03:21:58 AM
So your snare pad is the 2box 12" pad with plastic rims? (and the dreaded O rings which break)
General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Re: VH11 Turn problem
November 10, 2022, 10:25:27 PM
Hey, thanks for reply. Ah, okay so you're on the Stealthdrums hihat conversion. Not tried it myself but from his videos (before he went over to a Mimic) it really did look like it was an improvement.
Hmmm odd about the VH11 spin, I have feeling there might be an issue with the clutch. I don't have a VH11 myself to give a proper opinion, I have used one a few times and didn't notice a major spin issue, unless like I say the hihat rod was a little loose.
VSTs with minimal or no room ambience is easy to achieve. When you come to render, just mute the room and if you really want a try sound, the overheads too, and voila, direct drum sound! Definitely better for live work than having any room ambience imho.
I haven't used the SDSE software for this, I had gone the long way around but the result is the same (just takes a whole lot longer)
Lots of great drum sounds out there for you to use, I would definitely keep at it!
General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Re: VH11 Turn problem
November 10, 2022, 08:00:49 PM
Issue 1: Hihat spin. I believe if you have the hihat rod secure, and the clutch on the VH11 set right, it won't spin.
Issue 2: You can get various pads and controllers to work with the old Di5 module, but you'll need the Zurman orange box to do so. Upgrade to Mk3? Do you mean Drumit3 or Drumit5 Mk2?
In any case, in my opinion, these two modules can get decent hihat response from various brands, definitely the Roland VH11, if you follow the guide on set up right. Luke (edrumworkshop) did a very good review on the Di5 Mk2 and Anders has done a great video on optimum set up using VH11.
Issue 3. Double triggers: I need to know more about what mesh heads/pads your using before diving a more firm answer. But it's a good idea to invest in a some good ones. Roland Powerply are decent and the Drumtech Real Feel are also very well respected. Just to name a few.
Issue 4: Bad VST sounds. Luke (edrumworkshop) again has done a very through video on creating multisample sounds for the Drumit modules. If you haven't seen it, definitely check it out. Does it create sounds as rich as listening to the VST itself, probably not (I would need to do an A/B test to be sure) but you can opimise the experience to make it more enjoyable.

General 2Box Drumit 3 Forum / Re: latency DrumIt three
October 28, 2022, 03:26:16 AM
Quote from: Karbonfaiba on October 27, 2022, 04:45:07 PM
Accessing a 32/64GB card over the USB connection doesn't damage the module, it just corrupts the card I thought

maybe you're right. but Jman and 2box really advised that using USB mode with a 32g card was a bit no no!