hello!
since i got this 2box kit 1,5 weeks ago(after waiting 4-5 months and selling of my Roland td20kit), i have played it about 4 times, only about 1hour total because of the aggravation it causes me. Every time I play, i get annoyed with it, there are just soooo many tiny problems with the samples, triggering, and dynamics and vibrations that leads to misstriggering and so on. I have tried every possible parameter to get everything to work but it is hopeless. It is impossible to use for recording due to all these problems. i can't get a 10sec clean recording with it. I realllly hope that the os-update will fix these problems. Does anyone know when the new os is released? At this point i really miss my td20!
I have to add tough that the snare and toms are super, and if the rest of the pads could work like them, the kit would be beyond any other kit out there.
This means that you are only annoyed by Hi-Hat and cymbals, right?
i actually think that the cymbals are ok.. it is the hihat and kick that drives me crazy!
Hi Micke, I was very frustrated with the kick also on first impressions, but then I loosened the mesh head and also taped on a piece of foam this way ghost hits don't trigger, I also turned down the sensitivty so that only real kicks were triggering, I know this is not ideal, but it meant I have absolutely no problems recording now.
NeilC.
Thanks for the tip. where did you tape on the foam? on the meshhead or the beater? Also, i think that the kickpad is kind of loud as it is, so i really dont want to play any harder then i already do. I also lowerd the threshold and gain, but as you said its not ideal. Have you solved the hihat issues yet?
Thanx!
Just doublesided sticky tape on the head itself.
It is quite noisy anyway (actual physical sound of the kick being played) I can't see any way round this really. But the foam does reduce it slightly. I think the main issue the rebouce of the actual kick as it's only fixed at the bottom so will always bounce when hit. Maybe I might do a makeshift 'prop' to stop this? Or maybe they might improve the hardware?
In regards to the HH, I don't really have that much of an issue, maybe my playing is a lot different to everyone else. But closed/open, closed->open, open->closed, and foot->closed works fine for me? I don't do a lot of half closed to be honest... not even on the acoustic kit...
i will try the foam:) i always play my hihat semiopen, i guess i have to start playing fully open then, alltough, i think it shouldnt have to be the only way to make it work... as i said erlier, i never had any of these issues with my roland kit (i just hated the unrealistic (to perfect) sound)
thanks again NeilC.
let us know how you get on.....
i see it as "we have to dampen and make sacrifices with our acoustic kits, so why not our e-kits too"
we don't live in an ideal world unfortunately....
:)
By the way.. does anyone know if it is possible to change the volume on the pedal down sound?
I can't check tonight as not at home! Stupid work have me down in the big smoke until tomorrow night! Grrrr.
Not sure whether you can at all? Is there anything in the manual?
and forgot to say... Don't lose faith!!!
Hi Micke
Would you be able to send me a recording of the miss-triggering? I will PM you my email address.
When you say that there are tiny problems with the samples what are you finding?
Thanks
Scott
ill send you a mp3 scottie. i dont have any recorded right now..(deleted em all since they where no good). I will record a new track tomorrow after work and mail it to you.
tanks for all the help!
If I'm right Scott, it's when you hit the kick, the beater hits the pad, then the pad moves away from you slightly on impact, then on return to it's 'resting' spot it hits the beater again which (mis)triggers....
here is a weird uppdate on the problem:
once i make any parameter change the problem gets worse with the triggering. if i save the changes and restart the unit it works much better, and i mean alot better..??? so if anyone makes a change of some sort... try saving and restarting and see if this helps... weird?
When I tried the kit last Saturday I did not notice this mistriggering on the bass drum. The hi-hat, instead, troubled me. Today I have read a very positive review of the jobeky controller http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52642 (http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52642): according to what I have read (and seen) it's very promising! The only thing which I am not sure of is whether it would be compatible with the drumit five. I emailed them and will keep you in the loop about their answer. If it works, it would be great!
that is good news cabalestra! thanks for keeping us informed. i will continue to play around with the settings on the module and post any progress :)
thanks again!
Micke, I'm with you on the td20's unrealistic sound, but what were you thinking buying a kit that doesn't even work. So I can understand if you need to unload it and because I like you and feel your pain I might take them of your hands. How much?
Hey wbrs, if you want to PM him about serious interest in buying his kit that's fine, but I'll be honest your comment came across a bit like a dodgy used car salesman buying a decent car for a knock-down price!
My advice: Hold in there Micke, it's only a month or so until the update which should fix a lot of issues.
Hi Micke
I think we need to investigate what is going on with the miss-triggering, as this isn't something that has jumped out at me as an issue. Maybe we need to try loading the OS back in to the Unit so it has a refresh. If you can send me an email to the address i gave you in the PM, i will send the OS over for you.
Can i ask where you purchased your kit from?
Thanks
Scott
Hi Micke
I totally forgot that you you were using a double bass pedal with kit. The guys at 2box are looking in to this, as they are going to be tweaking the parameters for double bass.
With the kick try setting the gain higher and also turn the threshold up as well. Have you tried playing the kit just with the single pedal, to make sure that it is triggering ok with the default setup?
Thanks
Scott
Quote from: UC on September 11, 2009, 10:48:06 AM
Hey wbrs, if you want to PM him about serious interest in buying his kit that's fine, but I'll be honest your comment came across a bit like a dodgy used car salesman buying a decent car for a knock-down price!
No kidding
Quote from: wbrs on September 11, 2009, 01:35:10 PM
No kidding
I'm going to have to install a sarcasm plug-in to the commenting system ;)
Hi again!
I have tried playing single bass and the problem with misstriggering is the same. I seems like the problem occur only when other sounds are triggered at the same time like a hihat or ride etc. As I said earlier the problem gets worse when I make any changes (doesn't matter what change) on the unit. But when restarting the unit after a change and save it works almost perfect. So I am happy to say that it works much better now although it is still not 100% reliable.
I will not sell the kit until the people at 2box had a fair chance to correct these problems, and I'm sure they will. If they can get the toms and snare as great as they are im sure they can fix the kick and hihat to.
Hi Micke
This is a very strange issue. I think we should try the route of download the OS back in to the Unit to give it a refresh.
If you can send me that email i will send it over for you.
Thanks
Scott
i have mailed you now.
thanks
[quote author=micke link=topic=95.msg667#msg667 date=1252678
I will not sell the kit until the people at 2box had a fair chance to correct these problems, and I'm sure they will. If they can get the toms and snare as great as they are im sure they can fix the kick and hihat to.
[/quote]Ok I don't get it now you have faith in the kit I'm confused.
hehe:)
At the time I was angry and irritated. I would still be if I where playing, since i don't play it anymore and probably wont until the fix is out, I don't really bother. I waited almost half a year for the kit so I can wait another 2-3weeks for the fix. If that doesn't work then its bye bye circus-orange kit!
I didn't say i lost all faith, I said: starting to loose..... there's a differnce as far as i know
Quote from: micke on September 11, 2009, 02:41:42 PM
i have mailed you now.
thanks
Hi Micke
The issues you are experiencing are not the same as the general feed back i have had from end user's. So something doesn't seem right.
I'm interested to hear the miss-triggering from the recording.
Also i haven't received an email yet, did you send it to the correct address?
Thanks
Scott
I have mailed you twice now to the address you sent me, and the mail was delivered according to hotmail.
I will send you a recordig as soon as you can confirm that you got my mail
I've just sent a recording to you. Listen to it and you will easily hear the problem. there is one double and one single bass recording. hope you can figure the prob out
Thanks
Micke, I would try to wait it out I mean you've come this far already. I do believe that all these issues will be resolved. If you do decide to keep them are you going to stick with the orange?
I love the black/orange! it reminds me of a premier kit i had 20years ago:)
I really hope that scott can figure out whats wrong after listening to the recordings.
have a great weekend
I am really considering buying the 2Box. But that should be for a solution of the hihat problems on my Alesis pro 5. You might laugh - I know it is a cheap one. I too need a good e-drum set for recordings. And as can understand, this is not the case? I have a very extensive use of the hihat. Maybe e-drums just isn't the right thing? You maybe need real drums - and will be kicked out of your flat? :D
Hello!
I still think that the roland VH11 and VH12 hihats are much, much better than the 2box one... but no one else seems to have problems with it so i guess i had bad luck or something. I am still waiting for the os upgrade that should fix the prob. but as i said, at this point the hihat doesn´t work for me.
Quote from: cabalestra on September 10, 2009, 08:27:23 PM
When I tried the kit last Saturday I did not notice this mistriggering on the bass drum. The hi-hat, instead, troubled me. Today I have read a very positive review of the jobeky controller http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52642 (http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52642): according to what I have read (and seen) it's very promising! The only thing which I am not sure of is whether it would be compatible with the drumit five. I emailed them and will keep you in the loop about their answer. If it works, it would be great!
It will not. It will only work with Alesis and Roland sets. Yamaha and 2box uses all signaloutput through ONE cable (even 3-zone and hihat) to the module. Roland and alesis uses TWO cables for this, for cymbals they use two cables to get 3-zone and two cables to hihat, one to controller and one to the pad.