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Title: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: roel on April 13, 2011, 03:47:12 PM
it goes in this way:

http://www.triggerhead.com/page/index.php?lang=en&inc=2&cat=0&id=19
see pictures for this at the link above.
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: puttenvr on April 13, 2011, 06:28:17 PM
What's this?
Is it selfmade by the Swiss distributor or produced by 2Box?
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: roel on April 14, 2011, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on April 13, 2011, 06:28:17 PM
What's this?
Is it selfmade by the Swiss distributor or produced by 2Box?


Hey puttenvr I think 2box will come with this soon.
This will be for those who not gonna use the 2box rack.

groeten uit Holland

Roel.
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: puttenvr on April 14, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
Okay
But when will they release the new tatoes?


(http://www.triggerhead.com/page/files/products/2box/bilder/orig/RicoHStoneman.jpg)
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: rythm on April 15, 2011, 11:22:05 AM
Nice thing! But I think you´ll need to modify the stand a bit, at least put the screws in an angle towards the floor or else the whole thing will likely slip away.
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: supermonster on May 06, 2011, 12:15:50 PM
Just for your information guys:

I talked to the swiss distributor and he told me that this is a small series of brackets.
Not perfect.... but functional (original statement). Sold in Switzerland for around 70 Euros..
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: ronniev on July 10, 2011, 07:20:42 AM
This works just fine...... it's stable and no movements at all. :)

And the best part of this story ..... it's for sale  8)

(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1443/5311921/10727928/397618982.jpg)
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1443/5311921/10727928/397632778.jpg)
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: snydley on July 19, 2011, 06:30:44 PM
Very Nice! I have a similar setup without the small vertical bars. Where did you get those, or did you cut a 20" bar and make 2 smaller ones from it?
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: puttenvr on July 20, 2011, 06:38:31 AM
Quote from: ronniev on July 10, 2011, 07:20:42 AM
And the best part of this story ..... it's for sale  8)

Like your entire kit is for sale
Where did it all go wrong, Ron?
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: ronniev on July 20, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
Quote from: snydley on July 19, 2011, 06:30:44 PM
Very Nice! I have a similar setup without the small vertical bars. Where did you get those, or did you cut a 20" bar and make 2 smaller ones from it?

Yes, that's what I did...... a simple and easy solution.
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: ronniev on July 20, 2011, 07:28:56 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on July 20, 2011, 06:38:31 AM
Like your entire kit is for sale
Where did it all go wrong, Ron?

well Rob, I never play those beautiful  drums.
In a week maybe a few minutes...... that's just not right.
These drums need to be played over and over.
So the kit needs a owner who does beat them up. :animal:
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: roel on July 20, 2011, 07:45:41 PM
I have made a kickdrum holder from my MK1 Snare stand and its working perfect, no more bouncing from the kickdrum,its attached to the MK2 drumrack.
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on July 20, 2011, 11:47:05 PM
can we see a photo? thanx
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: roel on July 21, 2011, 03:41:53 PM
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on July 20, 2011, 11:47:05 PM
can we see a photo? thanx

How do I post photo's here?
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on July 21, 2011, 07:01:55 PM
dunno. just upload it to imageshack and give us the link mate
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: roel on July 21, 2011, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on July 21, 2011, 07:01:55 PM
dunno. just upload it to imageshack and give us the link mate

Ok I will post some photo's this week.
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on July 21, 2011, 09:39:52 PM
i am leavin tomorrow for holidays! hopefully i will see the fotos when i return. taek care amd thanx
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: roel on July 22, 2011, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on July 21, 2011, 09:39:52 PM
i am leavin tomorrow for holidays! hopefully i will see the fotos when i return. taek care amd thanx

Ok here are some photo's, see how it goes I use a rackclamp and a cymbal arm.
It works much better in this way, no more bouncing.

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7102/dsc01880do.jpg)
By roel2104 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/roel2104) at 2011-07-22

(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/4494/dsc01885a.jpg)
By roel2104 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/roel2104) at 2011-07-22

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6707/dsc01881ny.jpg)
By roel2104 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/roel2104) at 2011-07-22
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on July 29, 2011, 12:45:29 PM
it looks amazing. the thing you added to the arm, to hold the kick pad is awesome. where can i get one like this?
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: roel on July 29, 2011, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on July 29, 2011, 12:45:29 PM
it looks amazing. the thing you added to the arm, to hold the kick pad is awesome. where can i get one like this?

It comes from the mk1 snare stand, with a 2box cymbal arm connected to rack mount.
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on July 29, 2011, 05:47:09 PM
ok thanx for that mate
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: edcito on November 01, 2011, 01:00:36 AM
Any update on this? Has anyone bought one? if so, where from?
I would like one, please let me know
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: Progdrummer on November 09, 2015, 06:31:31 PM
Sorry for exhuming this topic, but I was wondering if the standalone kick pad is still available for sale (on Triggerhead or everywhere else), because I'm still struggling with the MK II wobbling and I have no skills to try a personal mod :D

Thanks!
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: Murgen on November 09, 2015, 06:57:54 PM
If you are willing to buy an extra curved bar, clamps and mount them I will post pictures of my mod. Works like a charm and since 2012 :)
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: Progdrummer on November 09, 2015, 07:47:11 PM
Quote from: Murgen on November 09, 2015, 06:57:54 PM
If you are willing to buy an extra curved bar, clamps and mount them I will post pictures of my mod. Works like a charm and since 2012 :)

That would be amazing :)
And if you would add a simple explanation about how to do it more kudos to you :D
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: Murgen on November 10, 2015, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: Progdrummer on November 09, 2015, 07:47:11 PM
That would be amazing :)
And if you would add a simple explanation about how to do it more kudos to you :D

Here we go. I got my hands on an extra curved front bar. Probably any curved bar will do (Gibraltar) as long as it is about 1 meter long (roughly taken). And 2 Rack-pipe clamps (SC-GRSRA) to connect the extra frontbar to the vertical bars. Pictures explain. Might have to fiddle a bit to get everything at the right high but it is fairly easy.

Now, here is the secret. I used an old bass-drum mount for a cowbell (Pearl but the Gibraltar equivalent is SC-268R BD) slotted in a Power Rack Multi-clamp from Gibraltar (SC-GPRMC). Just strip the mount until you have the rod and use the rubber side to fix your kick in position. Picture is taken from above.

IMHO this is the most solid solution for a wobbly kick. I took the pic's in a hurry. Feel free to ask for more details.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/752/22305239003_bf1f9dc003_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zZ3bsg)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/zZ3bsg) by murgenetemplar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/84073495@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/683/22508035587_51df3b2721_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/AhXyP6)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/AhXyP6) by murgenetemplar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/84073495@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/22937509841_2d0e9de6e3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/AWUJxB)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/AWUJxB) by murgenetemplar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/84073495@N04/), on Flickr

PS the Pearl Rack in the back is not doing much except carrying my GEN16 cymbals.
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: Progdrummer on November 14, 2015, 06:22:46 PM
Thanks a lot for the thorough explanation!
Triggerhead answered me and a standlaone kick-drum is available.
Do you guys think it is worth buying or better trying to build a DIY mod like the one Murgen did?
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: JRage on February 23, 2016, 10:13:14 PM
Quote from: Murgen on November 10, 2015, 08:04:25 PM
Here we go. I got my hands on an extra curved front bar. Probably any curved bar will do (Gibraltar) as long as it is about 1 meter long (roughly taken). And 2 Rack-pipe clamps (SC-GRSRA) to connect the extra frontbar to the vertical bars. Pictures explain. Might have to fiddle a bit to get everything at the right high but it is fairly easy.

Now, here is the secret. I used an old bass-drum mount for a cowbell (Pearl but the Gibraltar equivalent is SC-268R BD) slotted in a Power Rack Multi-clamp from Gibraltar (SC-GPRMC). Just strip the mount until you have the rod and use the rubber side to fix your kick in position. Picture is taken from above.

IMHO this is the most solid solution for a wobbly kick. I took the pic's in a hurry. Feel free to ask for more details.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/752/22305239003_bf1f9dc003_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zZ3bsg)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/zZ3bsg) by murgenetemplar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/84073495@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/683/22508035587_51df3b2721_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/AhXyP6)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/AhXyP6) by murgenetemplar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/84073495@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/22937509841_2d0e9de6e3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/AWUJxB)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/AWUJxB) by murgenetemplar (https://www.flickr.com/photos/84073495@N04/), on Flickr

PS the Pearl Rack in the back is not doing much except carrying my GEN16 cymbals.

Hi Murgen,

I am a newbie in this community and I am glad to be here and read all this useful information and learn from others.
As I also was looking for solution to wobbly kick, I came up on your post, and I like your solution. Unfortunately, I don't have any spare rack bars, so I decided to find a solution without adding one.
The results I would like to share with anyone looking for solution to this kick problem.
It was not meant as a permanent solution, rather a small experiment as I was borrowing components needed elsewhere in my kit (e.g. crash cymbal).

Here are some pictures, hopefully they will be shared correctly:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cerm6xkh9r8aqfo/IMG_0161.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ocnmhhmzoca33pv/IMG_0162.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/58rzm0cvob0xjbt/IMG_0163.jpg?dl=0

This is what I used:
http://www.thomann.de/intl/millenium_multiclamp.htm
1. Millenium Multi-Clamp 29 EUR

http://www.thomann.de/intl/2box_drumit_rackclamp.htm
2. 2box Drumit Rack Clamp 39 EUR

http://www.thomann.de/intl/2box_drumit_cymbalholder.htm
3. 2box Drumit Cymbal Holder 33 EUR

The total investment is about 100 EUR, which is less than 140 EUR for original 2box rackpipe (long).

The positive: the kick is rock solid with less hardware.
What I didn't like: the fixing kick to the rack doesn't completely eliminate transferring of vibration to other rack elements, just makes them considerably less. Therefore, I will look for standalone kick design for permanent solution.

Speaking of this one, of course there could be some improvements, e.g. as for using the cymbal arm, probably the brainholder arm will be even more suitable:
http://www.thomann.de/intl/2box_drumit_five_brainholder.htm
3. 2box Drumit Five Brainholder 24.90 EUR

There are also other cheaper options, that could be checked out to use as a clamp like these below, I just had this Millenium clamp at hands. These need to be checked before ordering, as I am not 100% sure if those will exactly fit (don't know their exact measurements):
http://www.thomann.de/intl/dixon_pahpmsp_percussion_klammer.htm
1. Dixon PA-HPM-SP Percussion Clamp   24.90 EUR

http://www.thomann.de/intl/sonor_mh_bdpa_bd_percussion_adapter.htm
1. Sonor MH-BDPA BD Percussion Adapter 26 EUR
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: Murgen on February 24, 2016, 09:25:21 AM
Very nice work! I have to admit that I purchased a 2nd hand MkI rack for cheap so my investment in the rackpipes was low. All together we come up with creative solutions. My 2Box is almost 4 years old now and still going strong.
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: JRage on February 25, 2016, 09:35:43 AM
Quote from: Murgen on February 24, 2016, 09:25:21 AM
Very nice work! I have to admit that I purchased a 2nd hand MkI rack for cheap so my investment in the rackpipes was low. All together we come up with creative solutions. My 2Box is almost 4 years old now and still going strong.

Thank you for good words! It wasn't so difficult once you showed the way :)
I am learning from you and other drumming and DIY heroes, God bless you all.

And thanks once more to 2box team for creating so open and powerful instrument, I am getting more and more involved ... OK in love with it ;)
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: Progdrummer on February 25, 2016, 09:02:25 PM
I got the bassdrum holder from Triggerhead but I'm not completely satisfied yet.
The upper part is still suffering a little, especially when i'ts about long double bass patterns at high/average speed (>160 bpm), maybe I'm not getting the montage right but still...
The positive news is that it's not linked to the whole rack anymore so no more influence on the tom or the cymbals at all.
I just need to make it more sturdy.
Maybe using the TDrum Triggerball beater with the original mesh the rebound is still too much, I'm not sure if I should change the mesh or not...
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: Murgen on February 25, 2016, 09:35:52 PM
I'm in an experiment with 628 mesh head and Pearl wooden beater (orange), works for me.
Title: Re: standalone 2box kickdrum
Post by: Progdrummer on March 03, 2016, 06:09:22 PM
that's interesting, but I think the minus for me is the wobbling on the upper part, which is still pretty consistent (I'm using a Pearl Eliminator with black cam and medium spring tension, so there's no need to push it too much to get speed); maybe I could use the part of the 2Box rack where the basspad was originally mounted to create an upper support and avoid any wobbling, but I don't know how to fix it to the Triggerhead kickpad without making a mess :D