First post here, so hello everyone. :)
Dare I mention that I've used R*land pads, triggers and modules for the last few years, but I am currently changing my 'e' drum set up for a new band project and am looking at going orange!
Now the Drumit 5 Module is available as a stand alone, can anyone confirm if the module will work with either R*land pads or their RT triggers?
Any issues in doing so, is there anyone here that has done this?
I would like to think that the Drumit 5 Module will be the answer to my prayers as I am not keen to go the whole VST route and have long since grown tired of the R*land sounds.
I hope someone can help!
Thank you in advance.
Didn't test roland pads. But i think a centertrigger is not the best choice. Like the roland kits you have a unwanted hotspot.
I made my own pad today and it works fine. used a piezo directly to the mesh head near the side of the drum. Under the piezo there is a piece of foam.
Exactly as the original xbox trigger. I test it out and it works fine! I didn't feel or hear any difference with the original pads.
I will post a pic in a few days..
Thanks rudiman, interesting to know that.
Can I presume side mounted RT triggers would be fine?
don't know, i first tested i roland cone with the piezo underneath but the signal was to weak instead off the original pad.
Now i used i smaller piezo then my first test. and put this directly to the meshhead. I discovered some minor problems.
1> the foam i used is to soft so the piezo is some kind of buzzing when hitting it very soft.
2> The wires i used are a bit to stiff.
3> Piezo signal is weaker then the large piezo i used with the first test.
So tomorow if gonna change the setup using the larger piezo form the first test, and take thinner wires and harder foam.
Some people wonder why do so much work when you have a complete 2box kit?
Thats because i ordered a second module , and build my own pads so it looke more like a drumkit :-)
Quote from: rudiman on November 15, 2010, 05:31:07 PM
Some people wonder why do so much work when you have a complete 2box kit?
Thats because i ordered a second module , and build my own pads so it looke more like a drumkit :-)
Interested to know more as I need a traditional looking kit for this new band, but electronic sound control.
Quote from: Cuban on November 15, 2010, 04:31:36 PM
First post here, so hello everyone. :)
Dare I mention that I've used R*land pads, triggers and modules for the last few years, but I am currently changing my 'e' drum set up for a new band project and am looking at going orange!
Now the Drumit 5 Module is available as a stand alone, can anyone confirm if the module will work with either R*land pads or their RT triggers?
Any issues in doing so, is there anyone here that has done this?
I would like to think that the Drumit 5 Module will be the answer to my prayers as I am not keen to go the whole VST route and have long since grown tired of the R*land sounds.
I hope someone can help!
Thank you in advance.
I´ve tried connect Roland pads to the Drumit Five module and it works, although you won´t have positional sensing. Another discovery was that the sound sounded more weak (thin) than with the Drumit pads. Why I don´t know I´m afraid.
I don´t know if Rolands cymbals work and I think I´ve read that you can´t use their hi hats, at least the VH 12.
Kit Toys cymbals works (not the choke function) as I use one myself.
My advice is go orange all the way 8)
Hi - I can throw in that I've added some Roland CY8 cymbals to my 2box kit.
What I found was -
Using the Cymbal 3 channel on the module, in terms of the crash and ride cymbal sounds produced, there was no real difference between the CY8 and the 2box. Edge hits and choke also fully functioning.
In terms of a good feeling playing surface tho, the 2box cymbals are way out in front. In comparison playing the roland's
is like hitting stiff bits of plastic.
Quote from: rythm on November 15, 2010, 07:56:55 PM
I´ve tried connect Roland pads to the Drumit Five module and it works, although you won´t have positional sensing.
Do you know why that would be?
Quote from: rythm on November 15, 2010, 07:56:55 PM
Another discovery was that the sound sounded more weak (thin) than with the Drumit pads. Why I don´t know I´m afraid. I don´t know if Rolands cymbals work and I think I´ve read that you can´t use their hi hats, at least the VH 12. Kit Toys cymbals works (not the choke function) as I use one myself.
My advice is go orange all the way 8)
I wonder if the VH-11 would work?
QuoteDo you know why that would be?
positional sensing must be programmed in the brain.
QuoteI wonder if the VH-11 would work?
Roland hihat will not work..pretty sure of that
Quote from: rudiman on November 16, 2010, 08:26:44 AM
positional sensing must be programmed in the brain.
Roland hihat will not work..pretty sure of that
Does 2box not have positional sensing then or have I misunderstood?
Anyone know for sure about the VH-11?
QuoteDoes 2box not have positional sensing then or have I misunderstood?
No it doesnot.
QuoteAnyone know for sure about the VH-11?
I'am shure, 2box hihat use a very different methode!
QuoteInterested to know more as I need a traditional looking kit for this new band, but electronic sound control.
I have just purchased a Boom Theory snare, (and will be getting the rest of the kit) - it works perfectly with my ddrum4se, looks like a real snare, plays like a real snare, and does not miss trigger with heavy amplification, (good for stage). Also it comes in any finish you want - I went for a DW Red Sparkle - looks great. If I knew how to post pics I would post some for you. The drum does give off some pad noise about the same as the old ddrum cast precision ones.
Boom Theory address -
http://www.boomtheory.com/id3.html (http://www.boomtheory.com/id3.html)
I'd actually be interested to see how the 2box works with Pearl's new Tru Trac heads that they're putting on the e-pro live.
I don't want to get a full e-pro kit, but could quite easily see myself putting a set of Tru Trac head's (when available individually!) onto my Mapex kit so I can take that kit with my 2Box brain to gigs, and use the 2Box pads for rehearsing at home.
diabolo-Pads from Drum-Tec make a bette job than the original 2Box Pads, i´ve tested it in the shop, cable out, cable in, playing, without other tuning.
Hihat Cymbals is more complicated, cause they use a magnet, like old DDrum
Theo
Quote from: TrommelTheo on November 25, 2010, 09:53:22 PM
diabolo-Pads from Drum-Tec make a bette job than the original 2Box Pads, i´ve tested it in the shop, cable out, cable in, playing, without other tuning.
Hihat Cymbals is more complicated, cause they use a magnet, like old DDrum
Theo
Did the rim trigger correctly?
Quote from: TrommelTheo on November 25, 2010, 09:53:22 PM
Hihat Cymbals is more complicated, cause they use a magnet, like old DDrum
This is not really complicated since the level detection can be replaced by two simple resistors and a poti. I described it here:
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,336.0.html
So it should be feasible to modify other pedals working with resistors/potis to the appropriate values.
The bigger problem is the detection of the zones (edge and bow). But since this is also not really reliable with the 2Box cymbal it might be dispensable. Up to now my hihat is working and i never tried another pad in place of the 2Box pad.
Manfred
2box works well with Diamond Electronic Drums.....
The extra crash cymbal I use here is a Yamaha.
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1443/5311921/10727928/393900639.jpg)
Nice kit, my son ...
Do the RIM triggers work as well?
Quote from: puttenvr on December 12, 2010, 06:52:30 PM
Nice kit, my son ...
Do the RIM triggers work as well?
Yes.....it's all there.... :)
very spiffy looking kit! how does it feel compared to 2Box? Or others for that matter.
Last night I tested the 2box with my roland TD4 via MIDI send. If you are on the right channel and set to the right note then everything will transpose nicely.
Of course the response you get from the 2box will only be as good as the pads you are using to trigger the sound but if you go into your 'other' brain then MIDI the signal to the 2box... the rest is win.
Did you test Roland pads with the Td4
or did you midi up both modules?
Weren't the dynamics limited by the capabilities of the Roland?
Hi
I own a ddrum 4 and am thinking of just buying the module. I think the ddrum pads (not mesh-heads) will work.
But do the ddrum cymbals work? Or can you recomand another brand for cymbals and the hihat?
Is there a video of ddrum pads or other cymbals working with the 2box module?
Thanks in advance.
cheers
T
The answer was given here
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,106.msg739.html#quickreply
Yeah, I saw the video before. But I haven't got the mesh-pads. I have got the cast-precision-pads. And I thought I could get a few more infos about the compatability of the ddrum cymbal-pads and the ddrum hihat. In the video it looks like if there are some issues with the bell on the ride. Any more/new infos about this?
Gents,
Most if not all of these pads regardless of which brand are using piezzo elements. All of these work just fine on the 2box.
You can buy piezo elements for less than a EURO they are dirt cheap! Stick them on a piece of wood or a hard-hat (makes a great act on stage; may want to use mallets) and it will trigger the 2box. If you need edge/rim etc... simply use two piezzo elements and create a y-cable it's not rocket science.
Now maybe if someone made accoustic drum triggers with optical pickups we may have some issues...
Hi,
got an answer of hyperactive (german distributeur) regarding
using the ddrum4 pads. The pads and kick will work, cymbals just mono.
The hi-hat won't work at all.
all the best
Thorsten
Just tried a Roland PD-80R pad and it works well. This is a two zone pad and I used a balanced 1/4" cable.
If I have a single zone pad is it ok to plug a regular unbalanced 1/4" cable into the Drumit module, or can this damage the inputs?
Thanks.
it shouldn't matter.
the inputs aren't balanced audio inputs, they are simply using stereo/balanced cables to transmit two different trigger signals down the one cable.
Quote from: Cuban on November 16, 2010, 08:45:37 AM
That is a shame. :(
Actually I stumbled across a document that hints it does. It can be found here:
http://www.embeddedpriset.se/documents/Nominerade09a.pdf
It's in Swedish though.
sweedish is not as hard to understand than i thought ...:) (if you know what you re supposed to read..)
I ve read somewhere in the forum that positionnal sensing required to have the sensor in the middle of the pad ... like roland or hart ones ... I ve never had the opportunity to try positionnal sensing by myself , but a lot of users ask for that on the forum , so i imagine it could be nice and usefull expand ...
I dont know if the center sensor design is pattented or not , but maybe 2box could release a special snare pad with this design , update the OS for positionnal sensing support and create some nice multizone snare sounds ... i imagine that more samples are needed ( center , and some sounds between center and side of the skin ) .This is not an issue , as hi hat and cymbals can handle more than one sound ... Actual 12" snare pad could become a 4th tom ...
... This could open possibilities for those who use center sensor based pads ,DIY or from other vendors ... I truly think its a way to sell more modules and make more people speak about 2box ...
My edrum kit, (Floor tom still to arrive to finish the kit).
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/135/l_a1972a0def7743aa9ec3c465dc031a5d.jpg)
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/125/l_b7f45f511f8b4bbcbc74546a2765de78.jpg)
Quote from: edtc on January 01, 2011, 01:24:43 AM
sweedish is not as hard to understand than i thought ...:) ... I ve never had the opportunity to try positionnal sensing by myself , but a lot of users ask for that on the forum , so i imagine it could be nice and usefull expand ...
You´re right on spot, swedish is quite simple...
I´ve have a TDW-20 set and though they have have positional sensing, they´re not close to acoustics so the difference compared to DrumIt isn´t so big.