Got my kit yesterday. It's pretty awesome, only thing I don't like is the hi hat which I'm having some trouble with. The sounds are however the best I've ever heard. Been talking about it here: http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47536
Pics: http://s853.photobucket.com/albums/ab92/Simpan_2Box/
Hey man, great gallery - I'm more than a little jealous :)
Quote from: UC on August 02, 2009, 12:44:18 AM
Hey man, great gallery - I'm more than a little jealous :)
Yeah thanks. The kit is overall terrific and I'm with some help from Scottie here on the forum starting to solve my hi-hat issues. I'm so glad I didn't buy a TD9 ;)
Simpan, looking at your first opinions I conclude:
1) The kit sound very good, better than anything you have heard before (including high end Rolands)
2) The kit has a nice realistic feel when playing it and drumrolls sounds like drumrolls. so no MG34 ;-) (lekkere dichte roffel, puttenvr)
3) Setting it up was difficult due to the lack of a descent manual
4) Some delivery problems, usb cale, sofware etc
5) Some crostalk problems which can be solved with finetuning
6) For appartments players: bassdrum is a bit noisy, the other pads are quite.
Point 1 and 2 makes this kit a winner, 3 and 4 is not important for me personally. Point 5 might be a problem for heavy-hitters.
The only thing what's really important is how it sounds and how it plays, that's what counts, others are minor issues for me
Looking forward at puttenvr review also...
Hallo boekhour,
Where did you bought the kit?
Quote from: Remi on August 02, 2009, 09:58:04 AM
Hallo boekhour,
Where did you bought the kit?
If you read my post carefully you'll understand that I don't have the kit but it's a summary from what I've read from Simpans comments on another forum (vdrums.com).
Quote from: boekhour on August 02, 2009, 09:40:42 AM
Looking forward at puttenvr review also...
I am looking forward at a kit ...
I was so excited that I read only the important stuff and missed the first sentence ;D
Quote from: Remi on August 02, 2009, 10:54:36 AM
I was so excited that I read only the important stuff and missed the first sentence ;D
I understand, ha ha
Quote from: boekhour on August 02, 2009, 09:40:42 AM
Simpan, looking at your first opinions I conclude:
1) The kit sound very good, better than anything you have heard before (including high end Rolands)
2) The kit has a nice realistic feel when playing it and drumrolls sounds like drumrolls. so no MG34 ;-) (lekkere dichte roffel, puttenvr)
3) Setting it up was difficult due to the lack of a descent manual
4) Some delivery problems, usb cale, sofware etc
5) Some crostalk problems which can be solved with finetuning
6) For appartments players: bassdrum is a bit noisy, the other pads are quite.
Point 1 and 2 makes this kit a winner, 3 and 4 is not important for me personally. Point 5 might be a problem for heavy-hitters.
The only thing what's really important is how it sounds and how it plays, that's what counts, others are minor issues for me
Looking forward at puttenvr review also...
That's about right, yes. Now I'm a bit grumpy though, 'cause I just noticed one of my mesh heads is broken (some strings have broken up). Most likely it has been damaged in transport because it's the right rack tom, and I've barely even played on that one, mostly been hitting the snare and floor tom and they show no signs of damage at all... Also, I'm having some trouble with playing audio from an external source. Could be a problem with my module in particular, the os, or the cable itself. Going to try to sort this all out tomorrow.
Simpan what is the size of the pads...also how stable is the rack?
Quote from: ber0ni on August 03, 2009, 05:37:55 AM
Simpan what is the size of the pads...also how stable is the rack?
The snare is 12 inch and the toms are 10. They feel really big and nice, love the pads so far, might invest in the rubber pads later though 'cause I find mesh to be too bouncy for toms. The rack is very stable, although it seems as though it vibrates pretty much so there are some crosstalk issues between toms and cymbals (allthough they only crosstalk if I hit the rim). I'll solve that by putting the cymbals on seperate stands, just haven't had the time.
Quote from: Simpan on August 03, 2009, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: ber0ni on August 03, 2009, 05:37:55 AM
Simpan what is the size of the pads...also how stable is the rack?
The snare is 12 inch and the toms are 10. They feel really big and nice, love the pads so far, might invest in the rubber pads later though 'cause I find mesh to be too bouncy for toms. The rack is very stable, although it seems as though it vibrates pretty much so there are some crosstalk issues between toms and cymbals (allthough they only crosstalk if I hit the rim). I'll solve that by putting the cymbals on seperate stands, just haven't had the time.
Hey Simpan
Have you tried turning the gain down a little bit, to see if it stops the cross talk when you hit the rim?
Scott
Quote from: Scottie on August 03, 2009, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: Simpan on August 03, 2009, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: ber0ni on August 03, 2009, 05:37:55 AM
Simpan what is the size of the pads...also how stable is the rack?
The snare is 12 inch and the toms are 10. They feel really big and nice, love the pads so far, might invest in the rubber pads later though 'cause I find mesh to be too bouncy for toms. The rack is very stable, although it seems as though it vibrates pretty much so there are some crosstalk issues between toms and cymbals (allthough they only crosstalk if I hit the rim). I'll solve that by putting the cymbals on seperate stands, just haven't had the time.
Hey Simpan
Have you tried turning the gain down a little bit, to see if it stops the cross talk when you hit the rim?
Scott
No, I'll try that. However, I can very easily just put them on some old stands I've got left over from a really old drum kit I just scrapped, so It's no big deal. Allready moved the hi-hat to another stand 'cause I couldn't place it where I wanted to when it was stuck to the rack ;).
Quote from: Simpan on August 03, 2009, 10:33:42 AM
The snare is 12 inch and the toms are 10. They feel really big and nice, love the pads so far, might invest in the rubber pads later though 'cause I find mesh to be too bouncy for toms. The rack is very stable, although it seems as though it vibrates pretty much so there are some crosstalk issues between toms and cymbals (allthough they only crosstalk if I hit the rim). I'll solve that by putting the cymbals on seperate stands, just haven't had the time.
I have also these problems with the rims so when I hit the rim of tom1 tom2 or tom3 they crosstalk together with cymbal 2.How can I solve this problem? for the rest I don't have any problems with my set. So iam very happy with the 2box set.
Quote from: roel on April 15, 2010, 10:01:07 PM
I have also these problems with the rims so when I hit the rim of tom1 tom2 or tom3 they crosstalk together with cymbal 2.How can I solve this problem? for the rest I don't have any problems with my set. So iam very happy with the 2box set.
Set threshhold, and be carefull with the gain!
it's important to realise that you shouldn't be using the trigger settings to make particular kit pieces sound louder or quieter.
the trigger settings should be tweaked to their optimum values to give you a full range of trigger values for your playing style without double-triggering or crosstalk. once you find the best trigger settings, normally you should not need to edit them again (unless you play quiet jazz one night and slamming metal the next and you want to maintain dynamics).
if, for example, if you find the snare sounds too quiet on a particular kit, you should be editing the kit itself and raising the volume of the snare sound, not raising the trigger gain.
Quote from: fishmonkey on April 16, 2010, 09:30:37 AM
it's important to realise that you shouldn't be using the trigger settings to make particular kit pieces sound louder or quieter.
About that... my kick plays extremely low. I had to set it to GAIN+18 to hear it good. Is this bad?
Experiment with curves and volume instead?
i haven't played around with it much, but i have my kick trigger gain at about 13.
when i have some time i will try changing the tension of the head and tweaking the beater height to improve the response.
Quote from: fishmonkey on April 16, 2010, 10:49:34 AM
i haven't played around with it much, but i have my kick trigger gain at about 13.
when i have some time i will try changing the tension of the head and tweaking the beater height to improve the response.
Will try with the beater height! Sounds like a good idea to lower it a bit!
Quote from: hwasser on April 16, 2010, 09:42:46 AM
About that... my kick plays extremely low. I had to set it to GAIN+18 to hear it good. Is this bad?
Experiment with curves and volume instead?
Your gain should be nowhere near 18 man. My bass drum is set to gain 0, threshold 30 and its fine with a normal curve. You guys need to take into account also what you are listening through - headphones or home speakers or an amp. If you are using any of these things then the quality just might not be good enough or your headphones aren't able to reproduce the frequency properly - this is also possible?
As Fishmonkey points out, these settings shouldn't need to change once they are set in the UNIT pages - if you need a tweak do it in the KIT page. Your global mix should also be set correctly under the UNIT page, make sure they are all at the right levels.
i wonder if my kick drum triggering is faulty, since i use a positive2 curve with gain at around 13 to get a decent response...
Quote from: fishmonkey on April 16, 2010, 02:34:59 PM
i wonder if my kick drum triggering is faulty, since i use a positive2 curve with gain at around 13 to get a decent response...
Firstly do you mean its not sensitive enough or not loud enough or both? Secondly, what are you listening through?
not sensitive enough. i noticed this when i first set the kit up. where do you have your beater hitting the head?
i mostly monitor through HD 280 Pros (the 64 ohm model), or sometimes through my audio interface and near field monitors.
Quote from: fishmonkey on April 16, 2010, 02:41:28 PM
not sensitive enough. i noticed this when i first set the kit up. where do you have your beater hitting the head?
i mostly monitor through HD 280 Pros (the 64 ohm model), or sometimes through my audio interface and near field monitors.
Have you got the specs for the headphones? They sound fine but maybe require a headphone amp to drive? I'm using Legacy PH 250's, everything is plenty lound without the need for a seperate headphone amp:
* Element: Dynamic
* Speaker Dimension: 53mm
* Impedance: 60?
* Sensitivity: 99dB
* Frequency Response: 20Hz~20kHz
* Power Handling Capability: 500mW
* Adaptor Plug: Stereo 3.5mm -> 6.3mm
My beater is hitting near the bottom of the foam in the centre of the base drum.
Sounds like your phones are more than capable frequency wise. Perhaps they just need more juice?
there's no problem with my monitoring, it's the triggering.
i just tried lowering the beater to the centre of the kick head, and that has improved the response. the thing is, i would need to saw some of the beater rod off to have it at that height, as it is far too long.
the metal rod on my kick beater is about 16cm long. this means the beater hits the head about 2/3rds of the way up the head.
how long is your beater rod?
Quote from: hwasser on April 16, 2010, 06:40:02 AM
Set threshhold, and be carefull with the gain!
How do I do that? Ive got the set now 1 day so Iam learning to work with it.
Press UNIT
and scroll (arrow) down to UNIT - TRIGGER
there they are: treshold and level
Experiment a little with those 2
Quote from: puttenvr on April 16, 2010, 05:20:20 PM
Press UNIT
and scroll (arrow) down to UNIT - TRIGGER
there they are: treshold and level
Experiment a little with those 2
ok thanx man.
I have the same problem than hwasser.
I had to set the gain of my kick drum at least to 18 to ear some decent sound in my headphones.
However if I hit the kick pad with my finger in the hole part the sound is very good with a threshold set to 0.
I have moved the beater position and now is very close to the trigger at the lower part of the foam (I can't place it closer) and now I have a decent sound with a threshold set to 8.
Baby Samus I really don't know how can you have a decent sound with the kick and a threshold set to 0?
The piece of foam behind the mesh head looks very hard and seems to choke the trigger.
Is this a pad problem?
Edit : can't find any more the topic of a user who remove the piece of foam of the kick pad. help!! :)
mine is the same. there is no way i can have the gain at zero...
Quote from: Perico on April 17, 2010, 04:19:35 AM
Edit : can't find any more the topic of a user who remove the piece of foam of the kick pad. help!! :)
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,111.0.html :)
i've started a new topic about kick triggering in the Setup section of the forum.
i've found that adjusting the beater height is critical to get correct triggering. i now have no double-triggering, and full range triggering with gain = 5, threshold = -36, curve = normal.
Quote from: fishmonkey on April 17, 2010, 09:13:55 AM
i've found that adjusting the beater height is critical to get correct triggering.
Very important, since when the beater is on the piezo it gives double triggers. Position the beater so high that the beater-head touches the foam somewhere above the trigger.
i also have double triggers when the beater is positioned too high (and of course low trigger levels)...