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Title: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: newmod on February 21, 2017, 04:05:49 AM
When I do a drum solo and hit a lot of toms and cymbals, The module acts like it turns off then back on again. I have 4 crashes, China, HiHat and Ride. I have a splitter on tom 1,2 and 4 for the additional cymbals.

Tonight is the first night this has happened.
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: welshsteve on February 21, 2017, 06:22:15 AM
Can you replicate it at home? At first glance it seems that you have A LOT of very large sound files being played at once and the module simply cannot cope. There is a polyphony with the module (though I am not sure what that number is) But I noticed this a long time ago when you hit the crash on the ride channel and then follow it with a roll straight afterwards on the bow, you'll hear the crash sound get cut off. I am gonna guess the polyphony is maybe 50 or something.
I have never had your particular problem happen to me though, but I do get latency sometimes when playing hihat pedal on 8th notes, lots of broken 16th's on ride, ghosting on snare and broken 16th on kick drum, at fast-ish tempos, yeah, and that's WELL annoying.
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: newmod on February 21, 2017, 11:34:13 AM
This happened last night in the studio. The Latency happens first, then it goes silent. then 3 seconds later it turns turns back on. Is this polyphony an adjustment? The setting I'm on is Kit 1. I have the Jman 32G extender. Everything seem to work good until last night.
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: welshsteve on February 22, 2017, 03:01:07 PM
Not having the 32g card expansion myself I cannot comment. But I have heard other people mention about having the right type of card. Jman is the person best to ask about it. You could probably send him a private message.
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: digitalDrummer on February 23, 2017, 03:55:16 AM
Quote from: newmod on February 21, 2017, 11:34:13 AM
I have the Jman 32G extender. Everything seem to work good until last night.
This sounds like a card issue. Have you checked your card on the compatibility list?
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: Murgen on February 23, 2017, 11:23:08 AM
Might also be a power supply issue ... is the electricity okay or flickering lights where you play?
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: Jman on February 23, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
The 32GB card was working flawlessly for 2 years. This occurred recently after he made some changes in OS, files, etc. So, I recommended wiping the card and reloading the card back to default and test from there.
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: Deve Loper on February 23, 2017, 07:41:21 PM
Hi. Just as info, an extender will always make the signal transitions worse. Very likely outside the sd card specification. So certain cards may work anyway, others most of the time, some hardly. No guarantees at all. Best is having the card in the pcb slot, so a cutout in the metal housing is best.
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: digitalDrummer on February 23, 2017, 11:17:42 PM
Quote from: Deve Loper on February 23, 2017, 07:41:21 PM
Hi. Just as info, an extender will always make the signal transitions worse. Very likely outside the sd card specification. So certain cards may work anyway, others most of the time, some hardly. No guarantees at all. Best is having the card in the pcb slot, so a cutout in the metal housing is best.
Can you show us what that looks like?
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: edtc on February 24, 2017, 12:57:24 AM
Quote from: digitalDrummer on February 23, 2017, 11:17:42 PM
Can you show us what the looks like?
... you journalist ...!  ;)
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: Deve Loper on February 24, 2017, 08:38:43 AM
Get your tools out and drill / mill a slot like this. The rubbery thing is to "extend" the card since it normally sits all the way inside. Ps. not my mod, I think from someone on this forum.
(http://www.munns.info/pics/2box/slot1.JPG)


Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: Jman on February 24, 2017, 08:07:30 PM
Just to chime in here. With the right extender and card combination it certainly will work with no latency problems with the 2Box module. I know of more than 100 out there that are working with no problems. I have owned 3 different modules myself and used my extender and card combination for about 7 years now with perfect results. Not to dispute Deve's info ...... The emphasis being on the Right extender and card combo. 

Also, even with a slot in the module, not just any SD card will work without latency problems. Just saying .....
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: newmod on February 27, 2017, 12:26:15 AM
Thank you all for the replies. I am using the 4G card for the moment with the extender and it works fine again.  I have 2box plugged midi to Logic, so 32G is not needed right now.

Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: ANGR77 on February 28, 2017, 10:09:38 PM
 HI!

Just wanted to add two hints when discovering latency on 2box.

1. Don't play with your system set to the unit mode. Always be in the kit mode. Shows in OS1.3.
2. Check the trigger settings. A cymbal with piezo/switch which have got wrong settings like piezo/piezo using a Pad12 etc...occasionally just stops for 1-3 seconds. On my unit...

The extender cables can be cut...however you needs some skills and experince to do it. I do believe a half meter cable will actually do bad to the data transfer of the SD card. 

Just to confuse you all with the selection of SD cards...my best 32 GB card is a SanDisk SDHC card with a class 4 spec....

Best regards

Anders Gronlund / www.zourman.com / Premium Roland hi-hat conversion modules for 2box
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: Coda on March 13, 2017, 03:52:33 PM
To add, the routing of that long extender cable inside the box can affect your triggering. I was experience ghost triggers on my ride until I opened up my unit and relocated the extender cable more carefully - away from the trigger inputs. Secured with duct tape.
Title: Re: No sound for 3 or 4 seconds
Post by: JRage on March 15, 2017, 11:40:44 AM
Quote from: Coda on March 13, 2017, 03:52:33 PM
To add, the routing of that long extender cable inside the box can affect your triggering. I was experience ghost triggers on my ride until I opened up my unit and relocated the extender cable more carefully - away from the trigger inputs. Secured with duct tape.
+1 to that. After installing extender cable and reassembling the unit for the first time, suddenly the cymbals started to trigger by themselves. Found that sound advice of Coda in forum, rolled up to one side the cable and wrapped it with rubber and problem disappeared.

JR