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Hi Everyone,

I am after everyone's top three software features that they would most like to see added to the OS. These updates can include features that 2box has already announced i.e software editor, and features that haven't so far like a metronome. Please keep these features within the realms of possibility.

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

Regards
Scott

make phones an assignable output on the node page (8 independent outs)
metronome
mp3 support

Metronome!

The software editor has been anounnced when 2box was anounced,back in early 2008 (more then 2 years ago)
6 months ago the metronome was already on the list
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,13.msg368.html#msg368

So new ideas would be great,but don't you think you should do first things first?make that editor happen!

1. Metronome
2. mp3 support
3. EQ, compression adjustable for each sample

- 8 outputs
- mp3
- metronome
- ...... :-X

8 independent outs
metronome
mp3 support

- a light for my bassdrum
- a light for my bassdrum
- a light for my bassdrum

parametric eq (3 bands)
reverb
compressor

abat-jour for Puttenvr  ;D

Possibility to connect extra cymbals to the tom trigger inputs. I'd rather have multiple crashes than 4 toms.

1) metronome please god
2) a light for my bass drum :D

compatible with the ddrum .mid format - I wrote Clavia they don't care or support it, ddrum makes acoustics.

Quote from: tjemeu on February 08, 2010, 03:40:33 PM
Possibility to connect extra cymbals to the tom trigger inputs. I'd rather have multiple crashes than 4 toms.

Isn't that possible? Thought you can assign any sound to any channel you want

Quote from: puttenvr on February 08, 2010, 04:53:28 PM
Isn't that possible? Thought you can assign any sound to any channel you want

I'm not sure, because cymbals have more zones than toms.

- metronome
- mp3 support
- positional sensing  ;D

Quote from: tjemeu on February 08, 2010, 05:00:45 PM
I'm not sure, because cymbals have more zones than toms.

Then change the pad type.

Metronome
8 outs
Choosing another kit by hitting a trigger, e.g. the rim of a tom pad

Possibility to play with brushes
Eq
A deal with Toontrack and FXPansion so that it will easy fit into 2box and import these sounds.

I haven't got the kit yet  :-\, but nevertheless I think,

1. a metronome,
2. the possibility to play with brushes
3. and the software editor

would be my wishes for the next software update...

an 7" LCD-Monitorto see the palely faces of Yamaha and Roland Product-Manager  ;D :animal:
ups sorry, thats hardware, ehm OK, DVBT-Tuner-Support over USB to see the faces of them...

EQ, compressor, more inputs (won´t buy a second brain) *rofl*

Theo

1 - EQ
2 - Metronome
3 - play with brushes
4 - Compressor, reverb, delay

Quote from: slowmotion on February 09, 2010, 12:48:33 PM
1 - EQ
2 - Metronome
3 - play with brushes
4 - Compressor, reverb, delay

Why do people keep asking for the ability to play with brushes?  You could do that on V-Drums because its just modelling the sound, but seeing as the 2Box is sample based I don't think you'll see this addition any time soon.  The 2Box has samples of someone playing a snare with brushes anyway, but there is a simple solution:  Just use a real snare with your 2Box - problem solved :)

The 2Box hi-hat/cymbal sounds are very good, but I just think you can never really emulate a cymbal, its sounds and playability are usually too difficult to represent through software or sampling.  In a live or recording situation, I would use real cymbals, and 2Box for all other drums sounds. Also a real snare drum if necessary but the 2Box snare samples are good enough I find.

Metronome is already coming in an update, EQ/Compression/Reverb/Delay would be nice but you can always use outboard rack units for that.  Don't know how much computing power the 2Box has at all, so I'm not sure if we'll see those things coming, but I reckon EQ could be done.  Can anyone enlighten us as to whether the 2Box module has sufficient power to do these things (EQ/Compression/Reverb/Delay)?  Perhaps our tame racing driver, Deve Loper, can help?

The metronome will be great. The eq, kompressor och reverb I know that I won't need. Becouse: The 2box have 8 outputs (that's enough for 1kick 2snare 3-4toms 5floortom 6hihat 7-8overhead) which mean that every drum can have its own channel.

And if you use it live, u will connect it to a mixer, which certainly will have EQ on every channel and most of them have an effect-bus so you can use reverb and compressor on the drums.

In the studio, every channel will be send to the A/D, where every drum can be modified in unlimited ways.

Quote from: Baby Samus on February 09, 2010, 03:27:06 PM
Why do people keep asking for the ability to play with brushes?

How many pop/rock drummers do need brushes actualy?
How many jazz (brush) players use e-drums?
So, it's a strange demand indeed

Quote from: puttenvr on February 10, 2010, 04:25:14 PM
How many pop/rock drummers do need brushes actualy?
How many jazz (brush) players use e-drums?
So, it's a strange demand indeed

I don't care if there is no jazz drummers out there who not play e-drums, if 2Box have that brushfeature and do it well ,maybe a several jazzcats will start to test it..
2Box have also a advantage that it is possible to put a ordinary head, that itself will make it already much more authentic from the start.

playing traditional jazz style brush patterns is ,and correct me if I m wrong, impossible.
The sweep is a constant motion,how would the trigger pick that up?
I also doubt meshheads will hold out long..

The brush sample works when sweeping, it triggers the sample as you sweep. A polyphonic long sweep sound that cuts of when tapped might work but using the Vic Firth jazz rake triggers the brush sound easily.

so you start and end the long sweep sound with a tap..the sweep doesnt do anything,so you could do this with sticks as well and the brushes dont ad anything extra to it besides that it looks like you are playing with brushes..right?

Right now as you sweep you get tiny soft brush hits like a soft roll. I would image a ployphonic sample if I am using the right term meaning a sample that when triggered re-starts from the start of the sample point. As you tap you would loose the sweep sound but it would continue again and though not like real drums it is the only real solution, unless say programming the current brush sample on a tom and having the polyphonic sample on the snare. You would stir two pots as you play brushes instead of the same pot :).  For a soft background jazz trio gig it would be worth having I think. Serious players would not consider.

I´d love to be able to change the volume and threshold settings for the different hihat states. for example: i think that the open hihat sound is to loud compared to the closed one and it would be nice to change that with a simple volume parameter. Also, i think that the heelsplash sound triggers way to easy... i use very tight hihat spring tention and when i let go of the hh-pedal it triggers a loud splashsound, a threshold parameter here would be nice.

Quote from: Calimero on February 10, 2010, 10:08:30 PM
playing traditional jazz style brush patterns is ,and correct me if I m wrong, impossible.
The sweep is a constant motion,how would the trigger pick that up?
I also doubt meshheads will hold out long..

http://www.xlnaudio.com/?page=products&p_page=adpaks&i_page=modernjazzbrushes

Addictive Drums have a function called "RealSweep", works with normal e-drums.

yes and as you see,he s not using brushes.

yep, and notice the long tail on the sweep sound....Not much control really. and someone could easily make a brush sweep dsnd if they really want! I'm going to add a poll to this thread - my personal view is that there are better features to be added as a priority...

I want a brush(ed) light for my kick (formerly known as bass drum)

Quote from: puttenvr on February 14, 2010, 04:46:27 PM
I want a brush(ed) light for my kick (formerly known as bass drum)

Sorry Putt, it's a bad habit I've picked up from Americans :)
However, I will never refer to it as a "drum set"  ;D

Concerning the brushes: I agree that it's very difficult if not impossible to get the brush sweep on an e-drum properly since it is a continuous motion. However, I still wonder how Roland made the TD-12 and TD-20 playable with brushes, see here if you want:



Has any of you tried the brushes on a Roland kit and can report how "natural" it feels? Does anyone know about the technical realisation and whether it would be possible to realize it on the 2box?

btw.: I'm not yet a brush player and it is not a necessary feature for me. However, I'm curious about it and would be glad about the possibility to play with brushes on my kit (when I eventually get one)...

i wouldn´t bet, but i think my TD 8 is also playable with brushes...

btw: GIVE PUTTENVR HIS BD-LIGHT! :animal:

Theo

Deve Loper, times of release of the new release ?
I need desperately metronome, and I don't feel like buying it...
Thanks...

Quote from: TrommelTheo on February 15, 2010, 11:57:29 AM
btw: GIVE PUTTENVR HIS BD-LIGHT! :animal:

Theo

Helau !

oh no, not longer "Helau", playing two Carnival-Parties on weekend was enough for me... tä tää     tä tää      tä tää  :drum2:
and Í must drive a Carnival all the year *lol*

Theo

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1) MP3
2) Metronome
3) Every single kit a different volumelevel mix (or can it be done already???  :o)

Page 15 of the manual

1. Sample editor. Without something that will allow you to easily drag and drop full kit setups from VSTs into the unit, this product has no use to me.

2. Metronome. Frankly, I'm disgusted that I even have to write this. All EKits should have a metronome. They're really very simple and quick to program, this should have been done for the 1.0 release and the lack of it currently is a large factor in my waning interest in the product.
3. The ability to adjust the balance of distant VS. close mic volumes for each drum would be invaluable to me as in my experience no other single factor makes more of a dramatic difference to the sound of a drum. This is far more practical than adding artificial reverb.

3.5? I'd really like some form of digital out that can output 24/96 multitrack audio, such as ADAT Litepipe. I recognize that this will likely not happen and certainly won't without necessitating everyone to buy new modules, but I for one would really appreciate it... you know, sometime. I can use MIDI in a pinch but that won't do so well when trying to mix live shows. I know it is *possible* to transmit full-bandwidth audio over S/PDIF as there are mods for various DVD-Audio players that allow this but since most recording equipment, as far as I know, has the same 16/48 limitation on the ins so that's probably not very useful.

and how do u think it will work to drag and drop kits from a Vst?

If you drag och drop from the file-folders from the VST, they all have their own format, which includes both samples and settings to the software.

If you drag and drop a kit from the vst-software, nothing will happen, becouse what you see is just buttons, graphics and codes.

I think the keyword for the VST would be to "export" the kit (as opposed to drag and drop), with some on the fly re-encoding or whatever else processing needs doing to get what you've put together in your VST / standalone app, into a form that the 2box can use.

That way perhaps the editor automatically updates the .dkit database of kit settings+samples, and also drops the newly created samples into the folders (right cymbal, tom, snare etc), so you could then access them seperately within the brain too. Anyway - I think this thread is meant to be about the software running on the 2box brain, not PC/MAC software.

So my personal top 3:

1) internal metronome (with its own volume control - don't like quiet / too loud clicks)
2) inifinite (or at least 100 more) User Assignable kits - maybe with a "tagged as favourite" function so you can move your favourites to the start of the list without renaming them, for quick access
3) an "exit / cancel" button in case you hit the "save" button on the "kit" page and accidentally move the dial to another kit name, and forget what kit it is you wanted to save changes to (done that too many times...usually end up switching off and on to cancel changes)

Quote from: UC on February 18, 2010, 12:48:46 PM

...inifinite (or at least 100 more) User Assignable kits - maybe with a "tagged as favourite" function so you can move your favourites to the start of the list without renaming them, for quick access

Yessss that would be a good idea: classify different kits under the same label.

 :rock:

1.) Software editor - Pleeeeeease!!!
2.) Wav/MP3 support - Its not all about the dsnd ya know  ;)
3.) Sample Editor
4.) Metronome

1. metronome
2. software editor
3. wav & mp3 support
4. a can holder

Quote from: kunkyape on February 28, 2010, 10:18:57 PM

2.) Wav/MP3 support - Its not all about the dsnd ya know  ;)

Hi kunkyape

Wav support is already featured on the Unit. Have you tried transferring any wav files over?

Also thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. This information is very useful to 2box, and let me assure you that all suggestions have been taken on board  ;D

Regards
Scott

On board of their minds?
On board of the next module?

PS: where's the bassdrum light?

Hi Scott

Yes, tried transferring the files as soon as I got the kit, but when I scroll through the menu to select them, they don't seem to appear?

Will they not work if they are not 44khz or 16/24 bit??

I want to try and get this sorted as I know there is the editor that has been created but this involves having to convert to dsnd which is a pain.

I made a kit out of samples from the minder themetune and want to get back on the case with re-creating this again!

Thanks

#1 The ability to access 2 different kits via midi simultaneously like the ddrum3.
#2 Positional sensing .....just like the ddrum3. The 8 notes per pad on the dd3 is unbelievable.
#3 The ability to link 2 channels together,,,,like the ddrum3
basically, if the software on the Drumit5 can expand on what the ddrum3 already has....then that would be absolutely explosive!

Quote from: puttenvr link=topic=287.msg3216#msg3216 date=1267631896

PS: where's the bassdrum light?
/quote]

I have a bright shining bassdrum-light!

Hey people.

Those who followed my last topic now know what I want : possibility to remove the inline from the main output. It's very useful when you use the inline as return.

Cheers  :patbat2box:

I was in Franfurt for three days ago and they showed me a metronome and a new kit called Walnut. This update with for sure more features as the editor of course will be here in mid- late april.

Quote from: westerlu77 on March 28, 2010, 12:06:15 PM
and a new kit called Walnut.

Wonder which artist is behind that name ...
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,211.0.html

and Guys: DON´T FORGET PUTTENVR´s BASS-DRUM-LIGHT!!! :patbat2box: ;D
Theo

Talking about that, where is it ?

Why not a bigger on-board Flash memory, something like at least 16 or 32 gb.
And more inputs.

That would require a new module
Can't be done software-wise

Metronome
Metronome
Metronome!!! for the love of god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Relax, there will be a metronome.

Quote from: westerlu77 on March 28, 2010, 12:06:15 PM
I was in Franfurt for three days ago and they showed me a metronome and a new kit called Walnut. This update with for sure more features as the editor of course will be here in mid- late april.

Hi

@westerlu77: please could you tell us more about the walnut project?

Quote from: nonoduweb on March 30, 2010, 05:51:37 AM
Hi

@westerlu77: please could you tell us more about the walnut project?

I think he meant a new kit-preset. (or?  :o)

Quote from: hwasser on March 30, 2010, 07:29:53 AM
I think he meant a new kit-preset. (or?  :o)

:-\ Ah yes, I think you're right...

Quote from: nonoduweb on March 30, 2010, 11:34:30 AM
:-\ Ah yes, I think you're right...

:rock: A new free kit is never wrong!

That is one of the reasons I'll use e-drum instead of regular drums: I'm not stuck to one kit, I can use whatever drumkit I want, even a japanese homemade kit made of plastic (if there is samples of that :p)

It just a new kit, not a whole kit. I think it was toms and bass drum but it sounded good. I know also that 2Box had a meeting with Fxpansion last friday about the future. Hopefully we can see some nice features with them together.

Sometimes only the KIT NAMES are changed without any new sounds

I think it's more realistic if (very) soft strokes on the edge of a cymbal trigger the 'bow' sound and only the harder strokes trigger the 'edge' sound.

Possibility to play cross stick and rimshots on the same snare. For as far as I know it's now only possible to play rimshots. I would like to be able to play cross stick as well, but not by changing the rim sample into a cross stick sound and not be able to play rimshots anymore. I think the module has to play a rimshot sample if it detects that the rim and head of the snare are triggered simultaneously. If only the rim is triggered the cross stick sample has to be played by the module.

+1 to that!

it really cramps my style not being able to play all three!

if you are using the kit as a MIDI controller, it wouldn't be too hard to filter the incoming MIDI and map simultaneous rim+snare hits to an extra note...

RETRIG LIMIT TIME.

Too many flams from double impacts on kick drum.

Try to raise the beater, tighten loosen the mesh head and experiment with the settings
I had the RETRIG knob on my Roland kits and never found out what it did

Quote from: puttenvr on April 17, 2010, 11:52:20 AM
Try to raise the beater, tighten loosen the mesh head and experiment with the settings
I had the RETRIG knob on my Roland kits and never found out what it did

Tried raise och lower the beaters, did about 10% better or worse. Tried tighten och loosen the skin, loosen it didnt affect the bouncing at all, tighting did it worse. Negative curve 2 makes it a bit better though, but makes it weirder to play.

Sorry, i Must say this:

DON´T FORGET THIS BD-LIGHT!!! :patbat2box:

He would be so sad without it  :-\

Theo

Quote from: TrommelTheo on April 19, 2010, 04:58:30 PM
Sorry, i Must say this:

DON´T FORGET THIS BD-LIGHT!!! :patbat2box:

He would be so sad without it  :-\

Theo

Yeah actually my friends said it looked cool with the light, wasnt recognise it until we drank some beer in my livingroom a saturday night and a friend started playing the drums ;)

Only after some beers the light went on?

Quote from: puttenvr on April 20, 2010, 02:54:28 PM
Only after some beers the light went on?

No, but the corner where the kit stands wasnt lightend up (seperate lampbuttons for the 2 sides of the room).

*bruell* :animal: :rock: :rock: :rock:
give me some beer to turn the lights on *rofl*

Theo

Would it not be great if we were able to plugin an external usb harddrive to the module?
extra samples for our kits! and alot of them.

Quote from: madmanmafimardi on April 27, 2010, 01:12:27 PM
Would it not be great if we were able to plugin an external usb harddrive to the module?
extra samples for our kits! and alot of them.

or a flash drive.

they would have to upgrade the USB port to at least USB 2.0 though, otherwise changing kits would be very very very slow...

-ability to link 2 pads together with options to layer or expand[ bring in secondary sound dependent on velocity]
- mono mode and groups.....[this is needed to start and stop loops]
- positional sensing is a must!
- the ability to to use the line input as a sampling input.  This would be great to capture sounds at a moments notice and edit them at a later time.

Hi folks.

UC aksed:
3) an "exit / cancel" button in case you hit the "save" button on the "kit" page and accidentally move the dial to another kit name, and forget what kit it is you wanted to save changes to (done that too many times...usually end up switching off and on to cancel changes)

Just press the KIT button, that exits from save mode.

What I can say about the next OS 1.10:
- metronome
- drum channels assignable to any of 8 outputs (or any 4 output pairs)
- undo / redo in kit and unit mode
  (not step-by-step, just switch between what is in edit buffer and what is saved)
- browse by folder
- attack, hold, decay envelope (very nice for making gated sounds)
- multitap delay
- VU meter on mix page
- initialize unit and kits from backup file

90 % is done, but give me some time to get it 100 %.

Have a good weekend,

Deve.

OS 1.10 will have new cymbal trig as well.

Unfortunately the current cymbal trig system didn't prove reliable enough.
So now the cup zone will now be detected by the fact that it has a much higher signal level (since it's right on top of the piezo). When the trig gain is at minimum (0), medium to hard hits on the the cup will trigger the cup zone, any hit on the bow will trigger the bow zone.

However, weak hits on the cup will be interpreted as relatively hard bow hits because the physical trig signal will be at the top of the bow range. The other way around should not happen since hard hits on the bow should not reach the lower end of the cup range.

I know that this is less than ideal, but I figured it's better to have a consistent bow behaviour.

Great news, Deve
Looking forward to the tap delay lay... lay... lay... lay ....

Quote from: Deve Loper on April 30, 2010, 08:48:42 AM
OS 1.10 will have new cymbal trig as well.

Unfortunately the current cymbal trig system didn't prove reliable enough.
So now the cup zone will now be detected by the fact that it has a much higher signal level (since it's right on top of the piezo). When the trig gain is at minimum (0), medium to hard hits on the the cup will trigger the cup zone, any hit on the bow will trigger the bow zone.

However, weak hits on the cup will be interpreted as relatively hard bow hits because the physical trig signal will be at the top of the bow range. The other way around should not happen since hard hits on the bow should not reach the lower end of the cup range.

I know that this is less than ideal, but I figured it's better to have a consistent bow behaviour.

Hi,

at the other thread you mentioned that the current cymbal trigger system is based on waveform analysis and the new one will detect the amplitude of the piezo signal. Wouldn't it be possible to use both information to differ between cup and bow? What did you mean with waveform analysis? Are you doing a DFT/FFT or do you for example simply measure the cycle duration?

But its nice to read that there will be a lot of new features in the new OS  :rock:

Well, i forgot to write down my "top software features":

- support ogg vorbis or mp3 for play alongs
- trigger-presets or "pad types" for cymbals made by other vendors (e.g. Yamaha PCY-135/155, Roland CYx, Alesis Surge)

The second item is only because there are no 2Box cymbals available. I already use 2 additional mono-cymbals at the input "Tom 4" but i would like to have one more cymbal with three zones and choke for the third cymbal input.

Yes mp3 should be implemented. But solving the cymbal triggering problem is even more important. Now the bell is practically unuseable !!!! But that issue is beeing adressed. Nice.

In order of importance to me:

1. METRONOME

2. ABILITY TO ASSIGN DIFFERENT SOUNDS TO EACH CYMBAL ZONE (if you can do this then sorry, I just haven't figured it out yet  ??? )

3. PARAMETRIC EQ

The possibility to layer sounds.
Some snares are quite weak for me, but perhaps can be used as a layer with another snare

My thread got locked because this one is supposedly the same?  It doubles with it?  This is a "top software features you would like added" thread.  My thread is "where do you think the 2box kit could improve".  Not really the same guys, I can see where you are coming from but it isn't the same, no offense.  I was wanting to hear general thoughts on the kit overall, not just software features.  Sort of unfair to lock it out guys, and sorry for hi-jacking this thread btw. :-\

i dunno whether your other thread deserved to be locked or not, but i will say that almost everything you wrote about has been covered in an existing thread somewhere.

hey there, sorry if you thought it was a bit heavy handed...your points are all valid and your opinion counts of course, but I think fishmonkey is right.

btw, the forum has a pretty decent search ;)

Ok Deve, any news about the release of firmware version 1.10? When can we expect all those nice changes we are waiting for?

Quotei dunno whether your other thread deserved to be locked or not, but i will say that almost everything you wrote about has been covered in an existing thread somewhere.

Quotehey there, sorry if you thought it was a bit heavy handed...your points are all valid and your opinion counts of course, but I think fishmonkey is right.

btw, the forum has a pretty decent search

Fair enough.  I think my intentions of that thread didn't quite come across properly but whatever.  Probably better to just delete it rather than have it locked if you think there is no new material in there.  I don't mind.

I think maybe we could have a brainstorming thread where we could all think up some great ideas that could "improve" the kit even further.  Even if it's far fetched ideas, just somewhere to create some concepts together.  How does that sound?

Sounds good. Perhaps topics like that must be sticky, to avoid the same postings over and over again.

I don't know what sticky means in the forum world?

sticky topics are "stuck" at the top of the screen, so they don't get pushed down according to date of last post.

only mods can make a topic "sticky".

better compatibility with ddrum redshot triggers don't work well

Hi carlomagno,

I´m using ddrum trigger with tdrum meshheads on my stage-set and they work fine.
I don´t have any problems. The Gain is set at 12-16, Curve at normal.
Wich kind of problem do you have?

fuzziebea

thanks  ;)fuzziebea

1. Retrigger prevention
2. Load DDrum4 .mid files
3. USB 2 support

I worked with Alessis, Akai and was betatester for Drumagog.
All have a Retrigger setting. It does'nt alow to trigger again within a userdefinebale time.
This will solve a lot of problems, read kickdrum!!
Really suprised that its not there....

Guys, keep up the good work!!

Regards, Bruthus
:patbat2box:

New wishlist for new version:

-Re-trigger-function
-Make the cymbalbell work with weaker hits and that all zones should be more even velocitywise
- Do something to give the rims better respond. When I play snare rim really hard with gain +10 it gets to velocitylevel 5 of 8. I have to play it 1 dm from the trigger on the top of the snare to have full velocity.

Some of my wishes:

- I'm fed up ( >:( ;)) to switch off the module to connect it on the computer
- add possibilty to mute the metronome during some fixed numbers of bars: good for practising.
- possibility to "soften" triggering: I'm often at full range with Pad12 or Pad10 with a normal hit and a low gain, so sometimes I use Actr3 (with a medium gain level) which looks like more a normal touch.
- positional sensing: it can be (certainly) made with this kind of pad. I'm sure that we can have differents zones on a 2box pad, even if they are not concentric.
- brushes?   :-X

Hello,

Next wishlist ;D

- Retrigger prevention
- Blinking led for the metronome
- Tap tempo
- Positional sensing
- MP3, OGG support
- Reverb
- Speed(o)meter  :drum3:

Quote from: puttenvr on May 19, 2010, 06:29:55 PM
The possibility to layer sounds.
Some snares are quite weak for me, but perhaps can be used as a layer with another snare

I fully agree....in fact 2box needs better snare drums period.  Best tom sounds ever, but no snares to match...

:drum3:  :drum3: +1 for speedometer

Hi guys.

Your wishes are noticed, and some are in the pipeline.
Some notes:
- Tap tempo is there. You tap the button above PLAY in KIT-PROG mode (if the metronome is selected).
- Cymbal trig, see my other post on OS 1.10 thread.
- Retrigger prevention. Just a dead time is not very nice. However, there's a new Kick trigger type (Kick2) with adjusted response. Also, the cymbal trig types have a built in filter to suppress trigs coming thru the rack stand.
- Pos sensing on the current pads is not possible since the sensor is not in the middle. Future rubber heads might have this feature.
- MP3 is on my list too, however, it's tight in there with playing drum voices, so we'll see.
- Sound layering (as opposed to selecting which layer to play, see KIT-ENV
page). There's no "room" for this now. Maybe I could fix a feature so one could trig the snare/tom sounds together with the respective percussion sound (MORE+SNARE/TOM). How about it?
- Metronome can count in 1 or 2 bars and then stop (KIT-COMP-BARS).
- Brushes not on the list.
- No USB 2.0 since the processor USB hardware is 1.1. (And yes I know, even the cheapest MP3 player in a bag of cereals has USB 2.0, but they don't play 15 channels (and many more voices) of drum sounds).
- I'm looking into a util to convert ddrum .mid files to .dsnd.

And there's more. Please keep giving feedback, it is appreciated.

Regards,

Deve.

- Possibility to change the trigger gain of separate cymbal zones. The cymbal triggering has improved a lot, but the bell sound is much louder than the bow sound.

- Only play rimshot sample on the snare if both zones are triggered simultaneously. This makes it possible to play rim shots and cross stick within the same kit.

Quote from: tjemeu on July 12, 2010, 11:05:43 AM
- Possibility to change the trigger gain of separate cymbal zones. The cymbal triggering has improved a lot, but the bell sound is much louder than the bow sound.

- Only play rimshot sample on the snare if both zones are triggered simultaneously. This makes it possible to play rim shots and cross stick within the same kit.

two great ideas there!

it seems very odd that we can't tweak the cymbal zones separately.

Shouldn't the ability to tweak zone volumes be a function of the kit editor when it comes out of beta?

More dry samples i.e completely dry versions of the VLT, X shell, Custom Maple kits etc. When using the kit live, dry samples tend to cut through a lot better.

Quote from: Deve Loper on July 12, 2010, 10:31:59 AM

1 - Pos sensing on the current pads is not possible since the sensor is not in the middle. Future rubber heads might have this feature.
2 - Sound layering (as opposed to selecting which layer to play, see KIT-ENV
page). There's no "room" for this now. Maybe I could fix a feature so one could trig the snare/tom sounds together with the respective percussion sound (MORE+SNARE/TOM). How about it?
3 - Metronome can count in 1 or 2 bars and then stop (KIT-COMP-BARS).
4 - Brushes not on the list.
5 - And there's more. Please keep giving feedback, it is appreciated.

1 - http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,187.msg3589.html#msg3589 (http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,187.msg3589.html#msg3589). I was able do that, me a jackass, what about a guru like you?
2 - Yes why not?
3 - Yes... but when you practise, It's good to stop (mute) the sound of the metronome for some measures, to train to hold the tempo, but the metronome has to start again then in the rhythm; that being said, it's not very important.
4 -  :'(  :'(
5 - Thanks for all and being patient  ;D

I'd rather be able to tweak those parameters while I'm playing.

Quote from: 3drum on July 12, 2010, 08:16:24 PM
Shouldn't the ability to tweak zone volumes be a function of the kit editor when it comes out of beta?

Hi.
Sure, there's still room for improvement. But I do hope you enjoy OS 1.10. Sometimes I feel it's a Fata Morgana to satisfy you all. I'm just the electronics and software guy, and I can't satisfy everyone I'm afraid.

Have a good summer,

Deve.

Quote from: Deve Loper on July 13, 2010, 06:27:36 PM
Hi.
Sure, there's still room for improvement. But I do hope you enjoy OS 1.10. Sometimes I feel it's a Fata Morgana to satisfy you all. I'm just the electronics and software guy, and I can't satisfy everyone I'm afraid.

Have a good summer,

Deve.

With each update, i enjoy my 2box more and more... :rock:

2box is da poop! when can we get 12 & 14 inch toms? or extra cymbals?
I need those  :animal:

hi wishlist,

-midi-performance: i´m using the unit in combination with a midi controller. but i also want to control for example the "play"-button of the unit with the controller and even more!
i found out that i can control the kit-selection with the command "C0 XX". so i think there are already some midi control change messages existing, but where can i find them? is there somewhere a list?

-the possibility to loop samples (i prefer wav instead of mp3 cause of the soundquality)

-the effectsection: at the moment there is just echo possible (and here again...possibility to control it over midi device)

and at least... it´s really cool to play an instrument which is still improving and changing it´s performance like the 2 box drumit 5 does!

greets giovanni

Seperate Volume control over the closing hihat click would be great. It doesn't seem in proportion to the hihat playing volume. I like to play the left foot 1/4s etc whilst the right hand is on the ride.

Reverb with bricasti ambience samples. I have some that were free for a while from the company. best drum reverb out there.

Peter

would be nice, but i doubt the DrumIt Five module has the processing power to run a full convolution reverb!

- Display of the velocity level (0-127) when we hit a pad.

yes, great idea! the current trigger level meters are very very coarse.

Quote from: Peter W on August 12, 2010, 05:45:39 AM
Reverb with bricasti ambience samples. I have some that were free for a while from the company. best drum reverb out there.

btw, there's a great new set of free Bricasti M7 impulse responses available here:

http://www.samplicity.com/bricasti-m7-impulse-responses/

Quote from: nonoduweb on August 13, 2010, 08:19:52 AM
- Display of the velocity level (0-127) when we hit a pad.

Nah I think it is good as it is now. But there should be a seperate midi menu when things like that could be seen. And maybe settings to alternative some midisettings and such

Quote from: hwasser on August 13, 2010, 05:14:16 PM
Nah I think it is good as it is now. But there should be a seperate midi menu when things like that could be seen. And maybe settings to alternative some midisettings and such

Hi
I didn't speak about velocity in midi but velocity in normal mode of playing.
We can see the trigger level in the TRIG menu (KIT menu), but we don't know exactly the velocity value.
I noticed that I am often at full range when I play normally, and sometimes the played sample is not adapted to my hit. It's difficult to realize it except if we can read the trigger value (or a percentage).

- [parametric] equalizer
- (sfx) reverse : playing a sample from the end to the beginning
- more metal kits  :drum3:

Quote from: nonoduweb on August 14, 2010, 10:01:32 AM
Hi
I didn't speak about velocity in midi but velocity in normal mode of playing.
We can see the trigger level in the TRIG menu (KIT menu), but we don't know exactly the velocity value.
I noticed that I am often at full range when I play normally, and sometimes the played sample is not adapted to my hit. It's difficult to realize it except if we can read the trigger value (or a percentage).

Nah, I dont like numbers, like bars more, but they could use half bars between and use an underscore under the bars so u could see the maximum velocity all times.

The most import is to set the cymbals more perfected. I want to be able to do normal hits on the cymbal bell without turning gain to +6. They have to fix this in next update.

The request of reverb or others ambiant effects or equalizing often appears in this thread but can the module really do that?

Quote from: nonoduweb on August 27, 2010, 08:49:10 AM
The request of reverb or others ambiant effects or equalizing often appears in this thread but can the module really do that?

Reverb could be done by many small echos which are dying out slowly for big rooms and fast for small rooms. EQ should be relative easy. Even the first small mp3 players have EQ. There are 3 knobs and three buttons so it could be built something like this:

Low - Button for some sweetspots and knob for dB+-
Middle - Button for some sweetspots and knob for dB+-
High - Button for some sweetspots and knob for dB+-

- DrumIt Five Editor for Linux  :'(

Quote from: kos-mos on September 04, 2010, 10:38:43 AM
- DrumIt Five Editor for Linux  :'(

+1 here! How come that they claim for an open system, but their software doesn't work in open OS?

Quote from: kos-mos on September 04, 2010, 10:38:43 AM
- DrumIt Five Editor for Linux  :'(

On my Ubuntu 10.04 it runs with wine. Just install wine and start the Editor-Installer.

In my opinion it is much more important to have a editor that can create multi-zone-sounds. The current version still can not do this.

Manfred

1:We still need a update for the cymbals its still not correct ,especially when you hit the cymbals with low velocity they don't trigger well then.

2:Make the complete editor working for windows,mac,linux ect.

3:Spareparts! we need them cymbals, toms, and the mk2 rack upgrade!

4:more different sizes in cymbals and different tom sizes.

5:more sounds to choose from.

6:more 2box drumit five's + spareparts in stock in the shops.

things still can be better, but Iam a happy 2box user.

Quote from: roel on September 12, 2010, 08:28:56 AM
1:We still need a update for the cymbals its still not correct ,especially when you hit the cymbals with low velocity they don't trigger well then.

2:Make the complete editor working for windows,mac,linux ect.

5:more sounds to choose from.

Only these three can be done software-wise, and I agree with them

more  ride  cymbal sounds, for example  dry ride, power bell,mega power bell ride
:drum3:

Since 1-2 weeks I got the new OS 1.10 on my kit and I would appreciate to see the following features/changes:

- Cymbal: The bell only works with heavy hits. I expected that only weak hits will not trigger the bell but also normal hits don't work
- Hihat: The differentiation between bow (zone 3) and edge (zone 8 ) is also not reliable. Edge is only detected with heavy hits
- Wider range of gain setting: At my snare the gain is set to "0" but still too high
- Metronom: Possibility to turn of the accents. The bars (3/4, 4/4, and so on) are a great feature but sometimes i would like to have a metronom without accents.

Not related to the OS:

- A good working editor to create sounds (At least the functionality of Louis' editor).
- Specification of the sound files to make the system really free
- More sounds are always welcome
- Spareparts: I would like to have another cymbal
- Rack: Good upgrade price for early adopters  :D

Last but not least i want to thank the developers for the last update. It is an improvement, especially the 8 outputs and free routing to them is great.

Manfred

Quote from: Manfred on September 13, 2010, 02:23:28 PM

- Wider range of gain setting: At my snare the gain is set to "0" but still too high

Ditto.  :drum3:

DrumIt Five Editor (kit editor):

- possibility to hear a sound by clicking on it in the sound browser
- create or delete sounds or folders in the sound browser
- move sounds or folders with automatic path update if these sounds are in use in the DrumIt.dkit file.

Edit: I have just noticed that when we move Drumit sounds in a new folder (with the Windows explorer), the DrumIt OS updates automatically the path files if they are in use. Thanks Deve, you respond faster and faster to our requests.  ;D

(midi?) Sequencer ;D

Quote from: kos-mos on September 19, 2010, 10:55:27 PM
(midi?) Sequencer ;D

Well I have more or less the same idea : in the DrumIt Editor, I would like the possibility to create loops using the sounds we have in the module.
I know I can use a software and midi, but it would be great with a sequencer in the 2box software.

Some (possible) bugs on the kit editor:

- when we make slide a new sound on a pad of a kit A, and when we copy directly this kit somewhere else (with Ctrl-R), the changes are not saved on the kit A.
- marked sounds "No Sound" are not copied from a kit to another one.

Possible improvements of the kit editor:

- possibility to affect no sound to a pad ("No Sound")
- multiple copy of a kit to others in a single operation.
- copy of a pad parameters' to another one of the same kit with drag'n drop.

;D

- Possibility to write 16GB or 32GD SD-Cards via USB-Port of the Brain  :rock:

mp3 support and a jog/shuttle function for backing tracks with audiosrcubbing would be cool!

Quote from: patbat on February 08, 2010, 05:14:16 PM
- metronome
- mp3 support
- positional sensing  ;D

Your wish is my command.
Only problem... there's just one of me.

Your ideas are being noted.

Deve.

I keep asking again for spare parts and the new mk2 rack upgrade when will it be available???

Quote from: roel on October 23, 2010, 09:14:56 AM
I keep asking again for spare parts and the new mk2 rack upgrade when will it be available???

i can understand your frustration, but is it really necessary to spam every thread with this request?

Quote from: fishmonkey on October 23, 2010, 01:33:22 PM
i can understand your frustration, but is it really necessary to spam every thread with this request?

I hope with this last request, that 2box will take some action...

Quote from: Deve Loper on October 23, 2010, 09:05:38 AM
Only problem... there's just one of me.

So ... we need a clone function  ;D

Quote from: Deve Loper on October 23, 2010, 09:05:38 AM
Your ideas are being noted.

I think the basic function in the Brain are more than sufficient.  I would opt for not bloating the firmware with MP3 support as you box already has a line-in for Ipods and the like so I really don't see the need.  Sure some folks will want bells and whistles and a cherry on top; most others just want to play the unit.   

I would suggest your team focusses on improving the editor instead.   

J-W, 

Something against the crosstalk =/ .. I noticed that the cymbal buttons are lighting up when I play the upper tom-rims and hard on the kickdrum (easy to do with doublepedals). This is espacially noticable when recording midi, have also noticed double trigger when checking the midi bars in cubase.

i have finally found a bit of time to get my kit working with BFD2...

it would be really good if there was an option in the Drumit 5 firmware to send different MIDI messages for open and closed hihat hits. in the meantime i can use Bome's MIDI Translator Pro to convert the hihat messages if necessary, but it would be much less hassle if the Drumit 5 brain could do this automatically.

uhm it sends different controller values for closed, half open, open ..., isn't that all u need? i just fooled around with BATTERY once and it worked fine ...

Fixing the cymbal triggering should be first and foremost. I hate being surprised by a loud bell sound when I strike the crash in between the bow and the bell. Unacceptable!

Quote from: spoenk on November 02, 2010, 02:17:51 PM
uhm it sends different controller values for closed, half open, open ..., isn't that all u need? i just fooled around with BATTERY once and it worked fine ...

it sends continuous controller messages to indicate pedal height when you hit the hihat. however it sends the same note messages whether the hihat is open or closed.

it's fine for playing live, but have you tried editing MIDI that has been recorded like that? not fun.

yes, but only a few measures :)

i figured that with more practising i'd need less editing ;D

One more thing. My hihat triggers in the midi when i open it, i mean that i get a "hihat opens" sound and a hitting the middle sound.

I'am looking into the hihat MIDI behaviour.
Plus some other wishes.
You never know what Santa will bring...

Quote from: Deve Loper on November 07, 2010, 09:09:48 PM
I'am looking into the hihat MIDI behaviour.
Plus some other wishes.
You never know what Santa will bring...

Maby Santa has a 2box mk2 rack upgrade for Roel  :patbat2box:

Can I request that the 2box brain can have better midi functions so it can:

SEND & RECEIVE MIDI CLOCK MESSAGES so it can be slave to another device or be the master device.

Also that it can receive program change messages maybe? To change kits? That isnt so important but the midi thing is.

Hi

The module can read program change messages.

So,

1. an Link option. You can add a reverb-room sample to the samples and adjust it in volume - distance.(pre and post processing)
2. Overhead/mic-simulator (for a good live or record sound)(closemic/ tube mic etc)
3. of course all the effects stuff (good plugins)

With all the respect, but these are Roland features of which most members are glad we don't have them at 2Box

ok, but i still like them. with all the respect, I dont like the sound of roland, but they have some good things and why shouldn't that be included? Good sounds + good features. Looks like a win win combination. Blotekonten module

As far as I know, in order to include things like overhead mics, new samples are to be recorded and included in the module (please correct me if i'm wrong). If so, are you aware how large will be the size of the dnsd file? (we will need the 100 GB card readability then ;)). If you think it can be done soft-wise then we're talking is about modeling sounds, i.e. C.O.S.M. (ô_Ô)

If you're concern about recording and live performance, I'd suggest you acquiring an external device.

I think saying C.O.S.M in this forum is like saying Voldemort!!!  I just want new sounds to play with...something in a Dave Weckl vain.

When we recorded the ddrumAt, the ddrum4se and the ddrum3, we always needed to add extra reverbs, echo, etc and stuf, but it never sounded (of course not) like a real, good drum-reverb-room. Always the closed mic sounds. Nice for metal, but sometimes you want something to be better. And now is the time  :).

i think maybe this was mentioned somewhere, but i don't have the time to read 12 pages of this thread to check...

it would be really great if there was a page on the 2box brain with a MIDI value display. at the moment you can only see the volume level, but that is dependent on the sample and how the kit piece is configured, so it doesn't tell you what the actual MIDI value is.

i would like to reconfigure my whole module for my playing style so that the full MIDI range is used for each kit piece. then i can switch from using the kit as a trigger for drum software on my computer (BFD2, Session Drums, etc.) and the built-in sounds without the volumes being all messed up.

- filters, filters, filters. (Just me wanting dynamic real time sound influence?)
- position sensing in conjunction with appropiate pads (support for center piezo type pads)
- compatibility with other brand hi-hat- and ride cymbal pads

Quote from: Mesursur on November 09, 2010, 11:05:51 PM
... but it never sounded (of course not) like a real, good drum-reverb-room. Always the closed mic sounds. Nice for metal, but sometimes you want something to be better. And now is the time  :).

Amen to that!!! It would be ultra cool if that was managed  8)

DECAY SETTING

I would like to see the decay setting changed so that there is more to choose from between
infinite and the 10 second slot.  In terms of audibility 10 seconds seems to choke off the ride
cymbals very quickly - what I mean is, it sounds more like only 1 or 2 seconds.

Cheers

:patbat2box:

Quote from: puttenvr on November 09, 2010, 07:11:37 PM
With all the respect, but these are Roland features of which most members are glad we don't have them at 2Box

I don't think a send to reverb and EQ are Roland ideas. These are standard if you are setting your kit up with a PA and you most likely need to run all separate outs now to a mixer for serious live sound. Yamaha has an excellent EQ,comp and reverb in the dtxtreme,but the samples are too reduced in quality and velocity layers.

I would think this should be a priority along with ride and hi hat triggering.
Peter
www.realtribal.com

All e-drum modules have effect processors, which are nice for playing at home but not good enough for live or studio use. So the sound engineer will ask you to turn them off. Also since he wants to control the fx himself.

exactly.

it is very unlikely that the processor in the 2Box module is powerful enough to do high quality reverb or EQ, and any decent sound engineer will want to control that stuff directly from the mix position.

We all don't work with a sound engineer, or on a stage, and it's sometimes necessary to use a reverb or change an EQ in our headphone or own speaker.
That said, there are perhaps more important features to add.

i agree that they would be handy to have, but i strongly disagree that they are essential for "serious live sound".

I would say Eq is essential after hearing those kicks in the 2box. You could do it with an external mixer but it is more wiring to bring and time to set up. I have done a lot of gigs where i am doing my own sound and it needs to be very good. With my former Roland and Yamaha kits,I was able to set EQ and reverb presets that worked in almost every room. I usually had to just adjust the kick EQ and amount of snare reverb.

What kind of gigs do you guys do?

Peter

Quote from: puttenvr on November 20, 2010, 06:41:03 AM
All e-drum modules have effect processors, which are nice for playing at home but not good enough for live or studio use. So the sound engineer will ask you to turn them off. Also since he wants to control the fx himself.

I would say the Roland td20 expanded and Yamaha dtxtreme III have high quality reverb for live use. The TD9 does as well but the drum sounds are very electronic. The other modules do not have good reverb from what I have heard so far. I have found that the EQ does not have to be that great to be useful, especially on kick.

Even in a moderate cafe I play with a sound system and a sound engineer. It's not about playing loud, but for a good sound.

Believe me: those inside effects aren't that good (the reverbs mostly scream) if you compare them with an adequate (not even the most expensive) reverb unit from TC Electronic or Lexicon.

Quote from: puttenvr on November 21, 2010, 08:26:46 AM
...those inside effects aren't that good (the reverbs mostly scream) if you compare them with an adequate (not even the most expensive) reverb unit from TC Electronic or Lexicon.

I think you're right for the reverbs. Not important, and it seems that the module doesn't have integrated effects. (It works with 2 sounds. I tested it when I played with the midi in and out to have two layered sounds).
However, it would be good to have some EQ settings.

Quote from: nonoduweb on November 21, 2010, 08:41:33 AM
I think you're right for the reverbs. Not important, and it seems that the module doesn't have integrated effects. (It works with 2 sounds. I tested it when I played with the midi in and out to have two layered sounds).
However, it would be good to have some EQ settings.

Yeah, hope there will come a eq function in next version of module. That cant be so hard on the module, every phone and mp3 got it nowadays :p

yes, EQ, but not ddrum3 like. A 3 or 4 way eq with Q control. So you dont have to eq your sample before you put it in the module. Than it's possible to make a lot of different sounds from one good sample (kick)

Good EQ processing needs cpu power too......a fact.

if a ddrumAT can process a 3 band eq, than the 2box can definitely do the trick( I hope). or just add a quadcore co-processor for the eq  ;)

Quote from: puttenvr on November 21, 2010, 08:26:46 AM
Even in a moderate cafe I play with a sound system and a sound engineer. It's not about playing loud, but for a good sound.

Believe me: those inside effects aren't that good (the reverbs mostly scream) if you compare them with an adequate (not even the most expensive) reverb unit from TC Electronic or Lexicon.

I used to have a Lexicon PCM91 and the ambience setting in the tdw20 expansion card is very similar. The setting called reverb is not. The dtxtreme III's reverb is definitely better than a $200 lexicon. I don't own a 2 box and never will if you cannot adjust room sound per drum[Even the Yamaha dtxpress 4 does that]. I suppose you could layer samples of dry and room as an alternative if they had a layering feature.

That is great that you have a sound engineer for a cafe. I have never seen one in a small cafe in Northern CA or Los angeles. How big are these cafes and where are they?

Peter

Quote from: madmanmafimardi on November 21, 2010, 04:35:23 PM
Good EQ processing needs cpu power too......a fact.

...or needs an integrated chipset?

... can be done software wise

Add To Poll: Give Roel A Mk2 Rack. ;)

rack with a LED light

Reverb & ambience controllers (and other sound effectors)
More percussion instrument sounds
Different stick types, brushes, hotrods, mallets

Quote from: Geoff on December 14, 2010, 09:30:25 AM
Different stick types, brushes, hotrods, mallets

To play with, or to be simulated?

Hi guys , here is my letter to SANTA DEVELOPER...:)

first , before complaining and asking i must say that Drumit Five rocks ... i really enjoy this peace of gear , it has quite all an Edrummer needs ... lots of IN/OUTS , great sound , great triggering ... great colour :)

i use the module with a mix of vintage Pearl roland piezo pads , and some DIY pads ans a real HIHAT .I monitor with headphones and a loud bass shaker .

As the module is sold alone , it could be great to add more possibilities for people who dont use 2box pads and cymbals.

here are some I'd like in future OS

-    possibility to reduce gain on a pad input

-    possibility to chose a minimum and maximum trigger level for each input or sound .
-    internally mapping a single sound to 2 different pads, for example the kick sound triggered by kick in   and also tom4 in .

-   It could be great to use cymbals and hihat inputs as normal triggers inputs . I don't know it is possible to use cymbal input as a double trigger , but only if we could use it as a mono tom or a "loop player" it would be nice .

-     Adding some "crosstalk" support

-    Adding support for non piezo pads , like switch pedals ... imagine 2 switches on a dual input , you could use to trigger sounds , or changing some parameters or programs , use to control TAP TEMPO , stop or start a loop  ... or even switching on PuttenVR 's blue light  :)

-   Adding support for other brands cymbals and hihat systems .Maybe it is not "commercially correct" , but maybe it could open more markets for the module ... who knows :) .. and more flexibility for users

-   possibility to use the songs wavs as "double mono" ...for example , one could have a click on left side and a song on right side of the wav file .then route the left(click)to the headphone mix , and the right(song)to the output mix or a separate out .

-   On the envelope of the sound , it could be usefull to chose the length more precisely from ZERO to infinite .. mean more than the 10 sec before infinite ...

-   Adding a low pass filter could help a lot on some Toms or kick


       A lot of users bought the module because of its ability do play "loops" and samples  .. so it s time to have some improvements .

-     Midi clock sync the module from another sequencer . For example to use internal click when playing in sync with a sequencer or arpeggiator ...

-     Midi clock sync an external sequencer from the module and possibility to send start or stop  messages from a pad input , or use internal tap tempo to control midi tempo .

Adding a "loop and sample player" in the module . For example , on a dual input , the "skin" triggers the loop , and the rim stops it . One could chose if the sound is "loop" or "one shot"

  To be usable while playing , loops have to be in sync with the metronome , so i was thinking of Ableton live way of triggering what they call"CLIPS" with a " tunable quantization .I m not talking about real time time stretching that would be impossible for the drumit CPU ...

  For those who dont use Ableton , when triggering a "CLIP" with a midi note , you can choose to quantize the start of the sound ... when choosing quantize to lets say a BAR , if you hit the note before the BAR starts , the sound triggers right at the beginning of next BAR in perfect sync with the metronome
... the loop repetition could also be synchronized with midi tempo so even if the loop length is not precisely set on the wav file , it is still in sync with tempo while repeating .   .

I guess this kind of "basic sequencing " don't need a lot of CPU power , i just hope that it s possible to achieve as I don know anything about programming ... i just have some ideas :)

- what do you think about MIDI controlling internal parameters ? for example , using a midi remote to control the internal mixer , individual sounds  or parameters without the need to go into the menu ...

this midi mapping could be edited on a computer , in a new section of the new 2box editor :)


-    is it possible to improve the module so that when you change the preset , the sounds change instantly ... ?

-    It would be nice to have different presets available for the trigger unit  section ...lets say 10 presets , so you can recall different configurations for each use , pad configuration , or playing strength , type of drumsticks ...

       I am aware that   improving tweaking possibilities of the module could be confusing for people who are using the system "out of the box" and don't need this jungle of parameters . So why not adding a "custom setup mode" for people who needs it , and leave a "standard setup mode" fot those who dont ...


To end this long list , again I love this 2box module , and have a lot of fun playing  with it (even with a bad SDcard for the moment ;) )
... I spent the last 20 years on stage , playing with bands and working as a sound tech  . I'd love to share my experiences to enhance this E-drumming system , because I'm convinced it has a huge potential , and already meets quite everything a professional player needs . I m also sure it could do a lot more...:)

Sorry for my "French guy" English ..:) but it s a Edrum forum , not an English contest  ...
Sorry also if some features I asked for are already in the module or in this forum , I wasn't "everywhere" yet :)

Wish you all the best for 2011 ...

A lot of very good ideas.  ;)

Comme on dit chez nous, y'a plus qu'à!

@edtc

Well thought out input. Many of what would be great developments.  :drum3:

some of us are happy with the module and the sounds in it,but what about spare parts....
and that mk2 rack upgrade....

MK2 rack update cant be done softwarewise i guess ...
..or maybe in "star trek" ...... :)

Quote from: roel on December 27, 2010, 12:30:24 PM
some of us are happy with the module and the sounds in it,but what about spare parts....
and that mk2 rack upgrade....

ROEL , why dont you buy a mk2 kit , and sell what you dont need .... that would make extra spare part on the market , quite sure some people need an extra kick , hihat , tom or a module ... then keep your mk1 rack fore home use...

  You could sell each pad 150€ (kick maybe more with the pedal ), the module 950€ , the hihat 200€ ... that makes 1900€ so youll get 2 cymbals and a rack for less than 400€...
Try to open a new topic on this forum to see if some people agree to buy a kit with you ...  it s worth the try..:)

have a nice day...

Quote from: edtc on December 27, 2010, 02:27:24 PM
ROEL , why dont you buy a mk2 kit , and sell what you dont need .... that would make extra spare part on the market , quite sure some people need an extra kick , hihat , tom or a module ... then keep your mk1 rack fore home use...

  You could sell each pad 150€ (kick maybe more with the pedal ), the module 950€ , the hihat 200€ ... that makes 1900€ so youll get 2 cymbals and a rack for less than 400€...
Try to open a new topic on this forum to see if some people agree to buy a kit with you ...  it s worth the try..:)

have a nice day...

I only need to upgrade my rack so no thanx. :D

... then if you sell each cymbal 200€ , you ll get a free rack and lots of spare cables .....

just kidding ...;)

(http://bewustleven.web-log.nl/.a/6a0133f10d84a0970b0147e0d03893970b-800wi)
Plz give 'em that rack ...

hi guys

one more wish for a future os ..

In KIT-ENVELOPE / LAYER , 2 more modes could be added :

USER :any trigger level will start the layer chosen by the user by tuning the velocity level . I think that MAX is not enough ,and could even be replaced by User mode with a value of 127.

VARIABLE USER : any trigger  will start  a semi-random layer as long as it is close to the user chosen level . Usefull to have a constant level and reduce "machine gunning"

thanx for reading and have a nice day ...

I prefer to layer 2 sounds.
That would be nice to thicken some snaredrums

Quote from: puttenvr on December 30, 2010, 08:07:34 AM
I prefer to layer 2 sounds.
That would be nice to thicken some snaredrums

Yes, and that would allow to use a reverb on one of the two sounds.

Quote from: nonoduweb on December 31, 2010, 08:25:31 AM
Yes, and that would allow to use a reverb on one of the two sounds.

IMO , layering sounds and "fixing " the sound velocity dont have the same function .

Layering sounds helps fot "fattening" a week snare sound or could add some "room ambience " to a sound that you can mix as you want with the dry one...

Fixing the velocity level , helps to keep the loudness of a drum sound or a loop sample in the main mix whithout having to hit the pad with a precise level  each time ...

IMO both functions are usefull ...

Agree

hey there ...

no news about new os release shedule ,future features and the new editor ?

Quote from: edtc on January 12, 2011, 01:02:57 AM
hey there ...

no news about new os release shedule ,future features and the new editor ?

There may be news from NAMM?

2box says they won't be at the next NAMM in LA, will be in Frankfurt.

...wouaw ! it s in april....

Quote from: Evy on January 12, 2011, 06:52:04 AM
2box says they won't be at the next NAMM in LA, will be in Frankfurt.

Really? Wow!  :o ???

+1 for all these ideas:

Quote from: edtc on December 26, 2010, 06:17:41 PM
-   use cymbals and hihat inputs as normal triggers inputs

A HUGE 'pretty please' for the opposite as well (tom inputs as cymbals). Is this possible, or are the types hardware-dependant?

Quote from: edtc on December 26, 2010, 06:17:41 PM
-   use the songs wavs as "double mono"

Better yet, two stereo tracks played at the same time.

Quote from: edtc on December 26, 2010, 06:17:41 PM
add a "custom setup mode" for people who needs it , and leave a "standard setup mode" fot those who dont ...

Definitely - that 'More' button is begging to be used...


Another idea - make the metronome MIDI-based, so that with

Quote from: edtc on December 26, 2010, 06:17:41 PM
- Midi clock sync
- MIDI controlling internal parameters

and

Quote from: edtc on December 26, 2010, 06:17:41 PM
improve the module so that when you change the preset , the sounds change instantly

we end up with Song Mode. Each song loads up a:
- unit preset
- kit preset
- metronome/sequence file.

The metronome file is just a standard MIDI file, with the click programmed in full. This would then give us:
    - time signature changes
    - tempo changes
    - automated, time-based kit/sound/parameter changes (eg. a different snare sound for one part, delay on for two bars in another)
    - automated sample/loop file triggering
    - hands-free soloing (just program in what you want to play) :)

Also, an issue with the current system: during a kit change, if a sound is halfway through playing, the remainder of the sound is re-tuned if the tuning for a channel changes between kits.

I only read the 7 first pages  :P so I hope I'm not repeating stuff.

- Midi merge function
-Save several trig set-ups (one for pads, one for a-kit triggers...)

EQ, reverb, compression, positional sensing, better ride, bell, edge separation, micro drum tuning and yes my lights works on my Kick  ;D


Russ

A 2 zone cymbal mode would be nice ...

as 3zone detection "eats" some processing , a simpler mode with BOW/EDGE could improve playability ...the more i play the kit the more i find that the cymbal trigering is  too slow ... this combined to a well trimmed library would improve the kit a lot ..
Also , having different amounts of latency on a pad and a cymbal is a bit wierd ...

I ve made tests assigning the same ride sound to a pad and to a cymbal input : and playing it on the pad input was much more flawless ... try it , you ll feel it ...

For people who need bell sound , it could be done by internal "midi" linking the bell sound to another free input , with addition of a small cymbal , or by using a 3 out cymbal ... 3 zones with 3 inputs ...

Could be nice to have control of Zones volumes and curves  in the module ...

Quote from: edtc on February 01, 2011, 08:10:56 AM

I ve made tests assigning the same ride sound to a pad and to a cymbal input : and playing it on the pad input was much more flawless ... try it , you ll feel it ...

Do you mean the actual jack sockets or just changing the pad type?

...changing the jack socket.

Yes, it's interesting.  I've said before that I'm convinced that there's a physical difference
between the inputs.

Funny thing is tho that I found the opposite.  When I put a cymbal in through Tom4 it doesn't
sound as good/responsive as thru a cymbal input.

What do you think is happening differently between the tom inputs and the cymbal inputs?  something
to do with latency...?

maybe the 3 zones recognition takes more time to process than a single zone pad does...

Quote from: 3drum on March 04, 2010, 02:29:21 PM
#1 The ability to access 2 different kits via midi simultaneously like the ddrum3.

#1 The ability to access 2 different kits via MIDI simultaneously. Definitely the biggie in my book. This makes it possible to link up my other module or TMI and build a Super Kit based on the Drumit 5.

#2 Xstick and Rim shot on Snare rim input:  The ability to use both rim shot and Xstick on the snare without changing the patch.  This is being used in some manner on the Drumit 5 cymbals already, a sort of velocity/wave form change.... seems possible to implement it on at least the snare input, if not snare and tom rims, definitely more important on snare though. With a setting adjustment this feature can be dialed in ....When working correctly it is a feature much used and makes the snare playing experience more natural.
Xstick Threshold: At least that is what it is called in "unmentionable" brand ;) A setting you can adjust that tunes in the crossover between the Xstick sound and the full rim shot sound.

#3 Kick Light ....... No ..... scratch that .... I need to wait a bit to see if that makes it in my top 3 ;D

Hi JMan

You want to layer a sound of xstick for soft hits and a sound of rimshot (for hard hits) on the rim?
While waiting for this feature on the module, you can build a sound like that with dsoundtool or the sound editor of 2box (sound of Xstick on low layers and sound of rimshot on high layers).

Quote from: nonoduweb on February 19, 2011, 06:34:28 AM
Hi JMan

You want to layer a sound of xstick for soft hits and a sound of rimshot (for hard hits) on the rim?
While waiting for this feature on the module, you can build a sound like that with dsoundtool or the sound editor of 2box (sound of Xstick on low layers and sound of rimshot on high layers).

Thank you, good to know...  8)

It s been a long time since we've heard about Deve Loper ... are you guys fine ;)?

what are you preparing for us ?

Anyone know ..... Would it be possible via Software update to add the MIDI feature to be able to access a second kit? Or is that beyond software?

The dynstart function,like the ddrum 3 have would be very nice.
Gr jeroen
(sorry for my bad English) :patbat2box:

hello guys. id really like to see in the buil in metronome, the ability to play all beeps in each bar, with the same loudness. not just having the firstbeep louder than the others. also id like more sounds for beeps. generally, the metronome should be upgraded to be a bit better in general.
also id like the limitation for 100 kits, removed!!!

Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on April 06, 2011, 06:38:53 AM
hello guys. id really like to see in the buil in metronome, the ability to play all beeps in each bar, with the same loudness. not just having the firstbeep louder than the others. also id like more sounds for beeps. generally, the metronome should be upgraded to be a bit better in general.
also id like the limitation for 100 kits, removed!!!

Thumbs up to both of those, especially #2 :rock:
Snyde

hello

In UNIT/MIXER mode , could it be possible to have the push function of the encoders mapped to "fader toggle" ... so we could change the line vertically , and change volume with the same button ... it could be individual for each 3 mixers lines ...

actually we have to press the middle upper button called "FADER" to toggle between lines and set group volumes ...

having the toggle command and the volume on the same encoder seems more fast and intuitive to me...

...what is your point of view ?

a useful thing that i would like to be added, is this.
the ability to change midi notes from a specific kit. and not apply the changed midi notes to all kits at once. this is very useful and would be awesome to see in future versions of the firmware. thanx

I'd like velocity settings to be saved with each kit as opposed to the current global settings.
Thanks.

Hello,

i have one more small request regarding the display on the UNIT-TRIG page. To display the velocity one can choose between a horizontal bargraph for single hits or vertical bargraphs for multiple hits currently. I would like to have a third setting where the velocity is displayed in numbers from 0-127. This would help me a lot in setting up the gain and threshold parameters.

Regards, Manfred

Just want the ride-zones and the choke over midi fixed.

This is how the cymbal och choke notes get recorded from 2box when  splashing the cymbals hard:

Cymbal - |
Choke  -  |

another awesome thing for us thaore too many drumless tracks in brain! could we have navigion so that we dont see all the tracks in one place but to see the tracks in each folder we created. if we had lets say 200 tracks it would beannoying to turn the knob all the time to find the tracks we want. but if we had folder navigation it would be easier

oh and a louder metronome would be great

Is it possible to have different outputs assigned to different kits? So for example - in the 2box editor I copied and made 2 identical kits. Then in the 2box module, go to kit 1 and assign everything to different outputs, utilizing the 8 outputs for RECORDING and then on kit 2, have everything assigned to outputs 1 and 2 for playing live with a PA and all I'd have to do is pull out the 1/4" of channel outs 1 and 2 and put in the 1/4" cables going to the PA.

Sorry if that doesn't make sense.

If that can be done, please teach me! Otherwise that would be a sweet update in my opinion because for recording i need to use the 8 outputs, but for just playing around on the kit, I'd like to just set a left and a right to the PA as I don't need 8 channels being sent to the PA when I'm just practicing.

Thanks

Will

adding to the wish list, I would like to see individual eq for all the outputs  :)

Quote from: Deve Loper on November 09, 2011, 11:58:05 PM
Hi.
Just a little notice that a new OS version is on the way with increased phones level.
I'll check the wishlist and see what else I can throw in.
Regards,
Deve.
ps. This month, really.

hi !

Good news this OS update ...

is it possibe to add the possibility to internaly "MIDI trig " any pad sound via another pad input ?

  For example to trig a kick or the ride's bell (or any zone...) using a tom rim or a perc input , without the need to reassign the sounds for all kits...

For bell freaks , this could be a way to be 100% sure to trig this damn PING! 

And for me an easier way to assign the same kick sound to a pad  in any kit i chose or build .... ( i allready do that using an ALESIS TRIGGER I/O plugged to the DRUMIT in , but it adds 6ms latency via midi ... doing this internally would be far better ....)

by the way , it would be nice too to have the option to assign a different sound for some kits ...



Is there some latency optimization planned for future releases ? 



   Is it planned to have more than one UNIT PRESET ....?  for different playing style ( GIG VS night practice ) , different pad setups or diferent sticks....  not factory presets , but just 10 user customisable presets ...


    At last ,  do you plan to add the possibility to MIDI sync the module from a computer ?    it could be usefull if you use the module with a DAW , so you can use the internal click and internal delay in sync with the music ....

 

Thanx for your hard work ...


PS  ... long time ago i ve read that the drumit 5 will have REX files support in the future .... any news on this ? ( maybe i dreamed that... ;) )

QuoteIs it planned to have more than one UNIT PRESET ....?  for different playing style ( GIG VS night practice ) , different pad setups or diferent sticks....  not factory presets , but just 10 user customisable presets ...

"When holding down the KIT button at startup, one can choose which kit bank file to open. Press PREV or NEXT to select a dkit file, then press OPEN. By default the DrumIt.dkit file is opened." (1.20 Features Manual)

Quote from: AA_ on November 11, 2011, 12:12:32 AM
"When holding down the KIT button at startup, one can choose which kit bank file to open. Press PREV or NEXT to select a dkit file, then press OPEN. By default the DrumIt.dkit file is opened." (1.20 Features Manual)

Thanx for the "trick" :) that can be usefull....

But i still think it could be easier to change those settings in the same "session" without the need to restart the module ... Also , if you change something in one KIT , those changes wont appear in the other DKITs and that can be confusing ...

Quote from: edtc on November 11, 2011, 11:29:21 AM
(...) Also , if you change something in one KIT , those changes wont appear in the other DKITs and that can be confusing ...

and what about single kits? :D

Quote from: AA_ on November 11, 2011, 11:34:05 AM
and what about single kits? :D

Yes , but single kits dont have specific "KIT settings" ...( gain, midi , curves..)

I mean the use of single kits in conjunction with different dkit files.

Quote from: AA_ on November 11, 2011, 11:50:55 AM
I mean the use of single kits in conjunction with different dkit files.

... yes ,that works...

but imo , an update could be handy ...

... what i magine is to :

*add some " setup presets" . ( trig settings ,gain , .... midi layout , maybe audio routing too...)

*for each KIT ( single or those from the 100 dkits) , you can chose what " setup preset" is used .

*then , in "global mode" you could chose tu use the " setup preset " specified in the kit , or to override this to use another " setup preset " for all kits .


sorry ,it s not easy to explain ideas in a foreign language...

any thoughts about this ?

I would love to see that it would be possible to assign any midi note number to bell and edge for cymbals.
Currently if you assign note number 59 to your ride, bell and bow will allways be 60 and 61
but in General Midi bell is 53

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GMStandardDrumMap.gif

I just noticed the same problem.
I haven't seen it before with products like Addictive Drums, Superior or Drumasonic because there you can adjust the midi notes into the software. Now I tried EZDrummer and there you have to use fixed MIDI map and e.g., bow, bell and edge of the ride are not adjacent notes in that map. That sucks!

Does anyone know some easy MIDI mapper which can be used between the module and EZDrummer for to change the notes?

Quote from: lixus on November 11, 2011, 06:19:54 PM
I would love to see that it would be possible to assign any midi note number to bell and edge for cymbals.
Currently if you assign note number 59 to your ride, bell and bow will allways be 60 and 61
but in General Midi bell is 53

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GMStandardDrumMap.gif

Ok,

I found the answer for my question.
At least in Reaper there is a plugin called IX/MIDI_KeyMap.
Whit that I could change the notes from one to another. Works great!

After all, MIDI aftertouch message is something I would like to see in the further upgrades.

- Stereo audio output through USB, (i want to be abble to record the 2box stereo audio stream in a DAW, (like Reaper), using the USB connection.

The ability to change trigger type to 2-zone cymbals on the toms (dont know if 3-zone are able to use there hardware-wise?). The same edge-cup, bow-edge with choke that are availible on the cymbal-inputs! :( Cause I want more crashes! MORE CRASHES!! EVEN MORE WINDOWS CRASHES (yeah, I am really bored right now!) :p

Quote from: kos-mos on December 15, 2011, 10:39:17 AM
- Stereo audio output through USB, (i want to be abble to record the 2box stereo audio stream in a DAW, (like Reaper), using the USB connection.

unfortunately the 2Box module only has USB 1.1, so i don't think this is possible...

Hi and a good 2012.
Audio over usb 1.1 is easily  possible, however there is no "power" left inside DrumIt to do this.
Cymbals on the tom inputs wont work because they have a piezo amplifier on the ring contact, not a switch detect.
Deve.

oops, did my calculations wrong!

Mr Developer, isnt there anyway to make it possible with 1-zone crashes with choke? :(
An expansion-card for the module would be really nice, to increase some more cymbal and tom inputs. I tried the choke aftertouch in addictive drums, it worked ... not so good, it worked when I choked with booth hands or the very very center of the cymbal, when I increased the tom-rim gain with the cymbal the choke got better, but still not very even.

   on a 3 zone cymbal , input we know that the 3  sounds for each zones is contained in a single DSOUND .... could it be possible to have an update so we could assign different DSOUNDS to each zones ?   

that will give some more flexibility  to users , making it easier to change kits on the fly , without the need to have your laptop to make new dsounds ...  or for those who'd like to trigger more sounds via midi using the unused Bell sound on the crashes ....

This one was mentioned to me by edtc .... Could we get an OS system .... call it a custom OS ... you don't even need to put it on the main 2Box site ... just one for those of us that would like to use it....  Call it the Minimal OS .... an OS with the least latency possible ... IE ... stripped down to the bone ... one that we can play our dsnds, no effects necessary. No songs, no loops necessary...
The cool thing about the OS in this module is we can switch to a new OS in a heartbeat and even revert by pressing buttons on start up ....
Also, I heard rumors of possible more compact format ... would that improve playing or just save space on the card?
a Dedicated 2Box fan ..... J

Quote from: Jman on January 24, 2012, 04:43:41 PM

Also, I heard rumors of possible more compact format ... would that improve playing or just save space on the card?

thanx jerry ....

About the sound compression , i ask myself if it  uses CPU ressources , having an impact on the latency ... maybe on a stripped down os , this compression should be avoid ... after all , the "public" for such an OS may allready have made the external SD conversion , and dont care a lot about saving data space ...

...Could it be because of sound  compression that we have those strange digital artefacts on some Tom and bass drum sounds  ? 

    Last thing.... i d rather keep the loop section ... IMO it s not consuming so much  ressources ...  not like effects do for sure ...  also loops is a major function that many pro user may want on stage ... 

Hello, as i said elsewhere i think that improved midi in support with note management (give the user the ability to assign a midi note to any sound) would be really cool. I have a TMI unit that is almost useless with this module since you can't trigger a sound that is not bound to a drum channel (well you can make your own dsnd's and sacrifice cymbal bells and bow but it's boring and you are still limited).

It would be awesome if there were a feature to record yourself playing as a midi file! You could then lay down a groove and play it back while flicking through and auditioning kits :)

Quote from: Berk on January 29, 2012, 01:50:03 AM
It would be awesome if there were a feature to record yourself playing as a midi file! You could then lay down a groove and play it back while flicking through and auditioning kits :)

Agreed - any form of onboard recorder would be great. As it is, I can't gig with the 2box because I can't do the usual soundcheck. With another module, I can record a pattern and set it to play while I go into the audience and listen to the band mix. I can't do this with the 2box.

Quote from: digitalDrummer on January 29, 2012, 06:31:08 AM
Agreed - any form of onboard recorder would be great. As it is, I can't gig with the 2box because I can't do the usual soundcheck. With another module, I can record a pattern and set it to play while I go into the audience and listen to the band mix. I can't do this with the 2box.

there are lots of ways around that limitation though, although of course it requires another device on stage.

can be a pretty small device though...

a must thing for me is this.

please, please, put a pause function and a fast forward and rewind to the songs we play through 2box brain(aka when we insert a wav to the sd card)
(mp3 support would also be welcome, though i dont have a real problem as i have a big sd card)

Hi Burnin'

the pause  function already exists in OS1.24.  ;)

fuck me. how the fuck do i do that. must check the manual 1.24 better i guess... what a moron i am. still ff and rewind would be awesome. or even better to be able to mark an area of the song and let it play in a loop!!!!

I want the snare to be more sensitive! Being able to set the gain to -4 or something would be awesome!

Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on February 15, 2012, 12:26:17 PM
fuck me. how the fuck do i do that. must check the manual 1.24 better i guess... what a moron i am. still ff and rewind would be awesome. or even better to be able to mark an area of the song and let it play in a loop!!!!

still, there cant be a pause n the current settings, if checked it all. you must be wrong man

By pressing play while playing the song you pause the song.

no that is totally wrong mate. the song stops. not pauses. and then it starts all over again

Well, mate, you have to go up to the "Prog" page and there you can pause the song.

thanx for that i just checked it and i can confirm it. though it isnt very handy to go all the way down on the page to the metronome to start the song and then go all the way up to pause...
anyway pausing will be more efficient with a rewind or ff button. but thanx for letting me know of the option mate. rep added!!!! hehehe

It's definetly not convinient and therefore I'm playing song through line-in from a laptop or mp3 player / cell phone.

yep clever solution as well. but since i got a big card and i dont have a laptop  and i dont have all my music in my phone, id rather play everything from the brain.

ps. i love my 2box, i realise it every day even more

I would like to have the option to remove the DrumItInit.dkit file and just manage the kits using a single kit file for each kit. I have no use for 100 kits and use maybe 5 and it's annoying to have to move through all 100 kits to get to them at the end of the list.

Alternatively if we could make them appear first somehow?

I realise I could copy them from the singles down into the first 5 but that requires me to do so every time I make a change. As I use two modules it's nice to be able to copy the kit files and folders back and forth.

Cheers :)

1. Reverb
2. Para EQ on each Kit (3 band would suffice)
3. Compression

1. Editor as a vst intrument or aplication like a Cakewalk sfz player, which reads dsdn files
2. Three dsdn samples started by one trigger (Direct, OH, Ambience) with possibility to send each dsdn to another channel
3. Round robin function - periodicaly releasing of notes - taken from yamaha modules

Quote from: davul on March 29, 2012, 10:05:06 AM

3. Round robin function - periodicaly releasing of notes - taken from yamaha modules

could you explain what it is please ...?

As for the effect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgKPaCwERw&feature=plcp&context=C4006146VDvjVQa1PpcFOdWF_xA9nxZG8P7lwDxPJ0B_usJn3zgoU%3D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgKPaCwERw&feature=plcp&context=C4006146VDvjVQa1PpcFOdWF_xA9nxZG8P7lwDxPJ0B_usJn3zgoU%3D)

Melody on a single pad!

Quote from: davul on March 30, 2012, 06:24:22 PM
As for the effect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgKPaCwERw&feature=plcp&context=C4006146VDvjVQa1PpcFOdWF_xA9nxZG8P7lwDxPJ0B_usJn3zgoU%3D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgKPaCwERw&feature=plcp&context=C4006146VDvjVQa1PpcFOdWF_xA9nxZG8P7lwDxPJ0B_usJn3zgoU%3D)

Melody on a single pad!

thanx for the link.... nice music on this video!

I would like a fix for the hihat :( or am I the only one who gets the wrong zone on the hihat some times when it is half open or open?

do a recalibration mate. i have no problem in that. also, what i think would be useful, is the knob that changes kit, to be able to go from kit 1 to kit 99 if i turn the knob to the left

Hi Hwasser,

I had the same problem after upgrading to 1.24 and sent my hihat to the service. It came back with comment 'no problem found' and the advice to put the module to factory settings. This solved my problem with my module.

Hope this helps!

Markus

another thing i saw in td9 brain, in my drum teachers set and i think we could take advantage of it, is this.

td9 brain has 2 buttons. one quick record and one quick play. you press the quick record and it records what you play (without the metronome)/if you press play it playes what it recorded. if we put that in the brain would be very handy to record on the fly what we play and hear how it sounds on the fly.
just an idea...

Additional inputs would always be nice.

Quote from: Cymbalism Music on June 21, 2012, 07:33:31 PM
Additional inputs would always be nice.

Agreed, but that's not a software feature  ::)

Please please please add something to alter the voltage triggering on the ride between bow and bell to suit harder quarter note playing - not just Gain & Threshold! Should point out that I am NOT a loud player!

I currently use my Roland on bell input set to 'Cup' - so no choke. I use the 2Box cymbals as crashes! This seems the only way

Love the sounds

--------
2Box module & cymbals with Roland TD9Kx2 rig!

And - improve the Hi Hat. I played the TD15 with the VH11 (same hi hat as on the TD9) and the improvements are incredible. Best Hi Hat I've played on an Ekit at that price ever... It must be a software improvement as the hardware is the same! With their new software you can't 'catch the hi hat out' however hard you try - it's impressive.

So why not improve the Hi Hat in the next OS? The Forum is littered with player disgruntled with the Hi Hat. Surely this is more important than brushes????

Love the sounds
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2Box module & cymbals with Roland TD9Kx2 rig - still using the Roland ride as separation of bell and bow is faultless!

the thread was full with hi hat issues before the mk2 came in life mate and before the new firmware upgrades... also manfred has made a kit tomake you e able to use for instance a cy-5 as a hi hat pad. i have no issues with hi hat at all

Thanks for your reply. I am getting more used to the hat now. I would say though that the vh11 on td15 is still the best hat and software at the price. Try it if you get a chance. Maybe the sounds are not as good but playing is amazing.

has been a while since 1.24 so here we go...

- hihat bending technique: pitch up closed bow sound while pushing pedal all the way down (foam pressed) below close calibration position
- limiter velocity range, this way hardest hits caused by hotspots can be eliminated
- some way to record the drums without using the analog signal route and quality reduction, through editor similar to VSTi
- positional sensing (center piezo pads)
- support sdhc > 4GB via usb port
- cross stick and rimshot detection

Nico this is spot on great points.

I would add I hope drumit don't do what Roland do. Which is to release a new module and leave the old one behind. Wouldn't it be great if the OS features were still developed alongside the atraction that a new module brings like increased hardware & memory options?

So far they did a great job on free software upgrades but there is still room for improvements.
Offcourse hardware has a limit. 2box is a small company, I would be suprised if they already release a new module. For now the drumit5 module (with memory mod) fulfill my needs.

it is not a small company there is great background and history there... and remember, this is the best module available. the best. by far. soooo......
of course there will always be room for improvement, but right now i am more than extremely happy. right now if there would be a quick button for recording on the fly ,it would be awesome...

I have read on several topics here it was small...anyway compared to Roland, there will be more manpower in Japan.
It is the best module available and this is one of the reasons I moved to 2box.
It is not much work to use a PC,  record midi out, and play it back through midi in. This way you can still set levels en sounds before streaming to line in from soundcard.

look, it is a small company, if you say that it is newly born. but the technology and kwnoledge they have comes from a previous giant in electronic drumming. naf said!!!

only by the fact that many roland td20 and td30 users, that know what they want, change their brain for a 2box brain, says a lot.
edrumming for me is all about sounds. and you cant beat 2box. in that.
fanboy out

Quote from: lite on November 10, 2010, 12:18:44 AM
- compatibility with other brand hi-hat- and ride cymbal pads

It would be awesome to be able to use for example the Yamaha PCY155 3-zone cymbal out of the box!

I know the question has been raised, but would it be possible to add possibility to put a 1 or 2 zone cymbal with choke, for example a china or a splash on one of the Tom inputs?

Quote from: pro424 on September 24, 2012, 07:01:35 PM
I know the question has been raised, but would it be possible to add possibility to put a 1 or 2 zone cymbal with choke, for example a china or a splash on one of the Tom inputs?

No, tom inputs have piezo amplifiers, no switch detection.
You can split the tom input to 2 single zone cymbals without choke.

Quote from: Nico on September 24, 2012, 07:44:01 PM
No, tom inputs have piezo amplifiers, no switch detection.
You can split the tom input to 2 single zone cymbals without choke.

Oh too bad... really like being able to choke all of my cymbals, even the. I don't do it all that often but it adds to the genuine overall feel. I'll guess I'll have to live with it.

apart from the ability to record on the fly what you play, so that you can check very fast if what you play is actually good or not that good (like in roland td9), i just came with the idea that it would be awesome, if we could have a polyrhythm metronome/ it should be easy to do so. 2 metronomes one on top of the other with different sounds, could do it. for example one metronoe could play 16th notes and the other could play 8th note triplets. voila, polyrhythm metronome!!!!

- mp3 support
- 32gb support
- big display

well i need something. metronome to play 7/4 and 9/4. i hate the groupings that are 3,2,2 etc  when i want to play 7/8.it is vital for me

Only a single question: "where are the updates?"

Quote from: Marte on November 25, 2012, 06:33:26 PM
Only a single question: "where are the updates?"

Latest operating system, new samples, loop library, and 2Box editor .... all here:
http://www.2box.se/pages/downloads/

2box wish list

Sorry for the long post, but here we go let's dive in

I used to do sound design in a past life and have had experience with various samplers and drum modules, these are functions I have seen over the years utilized in the past in one form or another since the late 80's  on one or another device, it would be nice to see this available from one device that is a dedicated rum module and not a computer running several different apps at once

Ideally I would like to use this module with other controllers such as the mandala pad, Zendrum, DrumKat or a TrapKat

What I would like for the DrumIT module software:

As a Ddrum4 user (I also use DrumKat, Wavedrum [both versions], and Mandala as well as acoustic drums and percussion) and the fact that this is basically the Ddrum5 with the same technology and almost the same development team that used to be with Clavia before they sold the Ddrum name I would like to see compatibility with the former Ddrum pads especially the cymbals and hihat with the after touch functions that were utilized in the Ddrum module. 

Another function from Ddrum4 would be the after touch ability, it was used on the Dd4 for cymbal choking and on the pads for a mild pitchbend (I think it was a few cents but be able to make it up to a whole pitch, user assignable, and assign upwards or down wards bend to the after touch) this function can also be used on tom/snare pads (by applying pressure with the hand) as a mute or choke function on the drum sample varying the amount of choke (based on % of amplitude, sample length, or a division of BPM or metronome count) and amount of pitch bend by the pressure applied to the pad. Another use for this is that with a real drum the harder you hit the drum the more the head streached and thus it slightly lowers the pitch by a few cents and conversely if you press down on the head with a stick or your hand and then hit the drum the pitch rise slightly as the sound's wave length is now from rim to hand and not rim to rim and is also a choked version of said drum sound. This is of course assuming the module can tell the difference between a held signal and a hit signal from the piezo on the pad and able to process both at the same time

As has been mentioned before, the ability to load additional sounds on other MIDI notes away from the default pad input MIDI Notes that can be accessed from an external MIDI device (such as a TMI, DrumKat, or another Drum Module) for larger kit users, make it so the user can assign such notes as groups of toms, cymbals, hihat or single note

An assignable "B" kit function that is preloaded.  For example kit 1 has  kit 23 as it's B kit that I can instantly switch to via midi command or an assignable button on the module it self

A drop clutch function where, again via midi command and/or a button on the module, I can "drop" the hihat clutch at a predetermined layer ( closed, 25%, 50%, 75%), this opens up the possibility of the HH Pedal to give CC commands that I will bring up later, as well as the foot pedal.

A snare off function, same as before via midi command and/or assignable button on the module, many is a time where you need to switch between 2 snare sounds , snares on and snares off in the same tune, basically this would be a switch between layers (samples) of the assigned pad much like the hihat already does with 5 layers and the cc command from the pedal

Already mentioned by someone else (Nico?) after touch on the pedal as you press down beyond the closed point on the hihat for pitch bend or other functions

The ability to assign hihats to any pad and have the pedal still control the hihat sample, this can be active by user assigning on a drum pad input head=bow or edge, rim= bow or edge on cymbal pad edge=edge, bow=bow,  bell=foot

The ability to assign any type of sample to any pad, realizing the limits of any given pad add the ability to assign what triggers what.  For example for a cymbal sample assigned to a drum pad assign which of the three notes (edge, bow, bell or a combination of two) is triggered by the head and the rim, for a drum sample assigned to a cymbal pad, same thing, head or rim or combination is assigned to edge, bow and / or bell of the pad.

User assignable inputs, any type of pad can be plugged into any input, unless this a physical limitation, this would be useful to those that don't use cymbal pads or use fewer drums and want to add more cymbals or want to use two hihat triggers that are independently controlled by their respective pedals and drop clutch functions

Before I go onto sample manipulation (this is a sampler or at least a sample playback device) I'd like to bring up some clock functions. I wanted to add this as I had already mentioned choke length based on BPM

Have an internal clock (metronome) for various control functions available that is user set by BPM, assigned trigger or midi note input (such as the bass drum, this would allow the function to "move" with the music as the drummer is playing a said tune), or an external midi clock.  The user can divide this up as needed stating with time signature and by note deviation.  For example say I want the timing to be in 4/4 but I want the deviation for a said function to be in 1/8th note triplets and another function in dotted 1/4 notes

Sample functions assignable per  MIDI note number this allows for the rim sample to play differently than the head, this would also apply to edge,bow, bell on cymbals and edge, bow foot on hihat

Since samples are basically digital recordings can we manipulate them as such?  I'm assuming there is a start point and an end point as well as an amplitude (loudness) measurement of the sample it self this would determine some things from here on out ( and also mentioned in the cymbal choke paragraph).  I would like to see these functions available without having to resample either internally or on a computer and reloading the sample back into the module. Also have the ability to apply any combination or all of these to any midi note number

Sample reverse, playback is from end point to start point.

Sample stretch or shrink, playback sample sped up or slowed down without affecting pitch the length is determined by % of sample length, % of sample amplitude or by BPM+deviation setting (from 20% to 3X)

Sample truncate,  sample is cut off from playing all the way to the end point (similar to choke) by % of sample length or amplitude or BPM deviation

Sample bounce, sample plays either from start point to end back to start, or end point to start back to end, this can be combined with the stretch and truncate functions to make for interesting swells or choked echoes

Bit resolution, the ability to playback a sample at a lower resolution that what it is in the module as, for example a 24bit sample played back as though it were in a 8bit sampler

Sample stutter where sample during playback returns to it's start point based on % of length or amplitude or a BPM deviation for a user assignable number of times (1-8) before continuing onto its endpoint. Both length and amount can be also assigned to pedal or velocity a user range for the variable function can be set as a + and/or -  % of said function

Assign the hihat foot function as a choke function to a midi note number and/or after touch as I mentioned before about drum aftertouch to any note number

For hihat pedal controlled samples (there are 5 layers; closed, 25%, 50%, 75%, and open) a pedal inverse function where up is down and down is up so that the layers are inverted as well as the CC message sent for the following functions

CC functions either controllable from the hihat pedal and/or an external CC command source:
The above mentioned sample stretch,compress and truncation where the pedal controls the length based on sample length or amplitude and the CC amount is the % of assigned by the user (10-90%) of the set length or amplitude amount
pitch shift up or down by cent up to 2 pitches in either direction or both where center (50%) is the base note with assignable open and close levels
Sample playback direction (open foward, closed reverse, hold at point at 50%) user assignable and configurable
Sample bit rate playback mix between selected playback and full resolution
Kit A Kit B mix assignable by pad or global (for example open is kit A instrument, closed is kit B instrument and there is a variation on the cross fading between the two dependent on pedal position or CC level)
Effects mix (depth) level assignable either globally, per pad, per MIDI note or Group
Output mix per pad or MIDI note (basically a pan function) left to right or a mixture of the two user programmable
BPM deviation variation with a user assignable range (from sextuplets all the way to whole note)

Now for some basic added effects

Firstly ability to assign effects amount, rate, depth and/or level to any controller function, pedal, after touch, CC, or velocity

Stereo Depth (possibly a delay effect or playback effect) where aurally the perceived stereo depth goes from center to the outer left and right field of hearing perception this can be a CC/pedal function or a fixed assigned value to the sample itself assign to sample Note or globally

Band pass filter with assignable frequency and frequency depth
High pass filter with assignable frequency
Low pass filter with assignable frequency
The filter frequency and depth  is adjustable within a user assignable range by controller functions as well: CC, Pedal, Aftertouch or Velocity

Be able to assign effects either per pad, per note, globally or through an effects send like a mixer where the return can be assigned to any output on the module this way you can have a dry mix and a wet mix that one can send to the mixer for the sound guy to manipulate if need be

I know this is a lot and may be beyond the capabilities of the processor, but I think with the ability to increase the memory via the SD Card to 32gigs at this point these functions might reduce the amount of samples used by the user as the amount of sounds can be increased by sample manipulation.  Also with some of the earlier Aftertouch functions there is more playability as an acoustic drum for those wanting to emulate real drum and finally for those of us that like pushing the boundaries of sound manipulation this can become a great tool for expression without having to rely on a computer.

i just put some more drumless tracks in my sd card. and i noticed that my wavs are 10 gbs!!!

so all i want to say again is pleaseee add mp3 compatibility. or some other compression format if there are issues with mp3, like ogg ac3 etc, i dont care, as long as i can have compressed audio tracks. i think it is vital. i could have at least 8 giga less data in mp3 was supported.

also  i hope a quick record and play option was available... very very good feautreif we could lets say record 10 minutes of playing and then hear how it sound. even if it is less, it is great.. and some more different counts in the metronome would be awesome!!!
and a way to show the folder structure and not show all sound files in a row!!!!it really helps
cheers

I haven't read the entire thread but my top 3 would be:

1) Detection to support cymbal swells
2) Hihat transmutting as implemented by Superior drummer 2
3) negative sensitivity adjustment ranges. ( I have the stock 2box pads and I with the sensitivity at 0 and Im maxing them out too easily)  I am able to dial in a better response using these pads on my td20.

everytime i run across this when i play on my 2box, i think of this thread

please let us rewind the tracks we play so that we can practice on a specific part of a song and not have to start from the beginning, or create a wav with that just part...

(i am frustrated lol)

Hi,

1.I would like to be able to "route" the metronom to a pad for easy on/off (including Tap tempo) 8)

2.Regarding loops it would be nice to have Mute Groups.
e.g. Hit pad 1 Loop1 starts
Hit pad 2 loop2 starts and kills Loop1..... :rock:

Best regards

Peter

possibility to dock an extern 256 GB SSD via USB 3 to use tons of Samples and MP3...

and... btw ... did puttnvr got his BD-light? :rock:

Theo

I have still 2x bass drum lights, 2x mk1 kick foam + 2x mk1 backplate (2box logo) for sale.
if someone is interested give me a pm.

***MUCH BETTER CYMBAL TRIGGERING/CONSISTENCY*** THIS IS REALLY CRUCIAL!!

EQ AND COMPRESSOR CONFIGURABLE FOR EVERY PAD (EVERY CHANNEL) THIS IS CRUCIAL!!

BETTER SOUNDING SNARE DRUM AND BASS DRUM SAMPLES


I LOVE THIS E DRUM SET AND WILL SUPPORT IT FOREVER!! ITS BY FAR THE BEST IN THE WORLD GREAT JOB GUYS KEEP MAKING IT BETTER AND BETTER!! I LOVE YOU!  :drum2:

**All in All the thing I would like the most above everything mentioned in this thread woul dbe sampls samples samples!! Newly recorded beautifully sounding high end kit no expense spared samples. If I could only have one change it would be to concentrate on the continuation of high end dry and mildly ambient samples

My wish list:

1. Room Reverb Impulse Response support. Would allow us to use close mics on each of our kit pieces then change from studio sound to arena sound at will. This is done all the time in actual recording situations (especially for guitar cabinets). Would be a killer feature. Imagine playing your own drums in any number of world class studio rooms.

2. Better editor for making DSNDs and adjusting kit settings.

3. Trigger specific effects and processing (noise gate, compression, eq).

I know we're exhuming and ancient thread here... I hope someone might actually read this!

Here are a couple things that would really rock my 2Box world:

-Reverb as an available effect (with controllable parameters, maybe even a few types- room, hall, plate perhaps)
-Better EQ control (frequency selection for low and high bands, and variable Q for all three bands), and the ability to EQ each of the outputs separately.
-Ability to assign sounds (with all available editing parameters) to MIDI notes OTHER than the pad inputs, for midi triggering from multi-pads, etc.
-CRUCIAL: separate volume control for zones (ride bell vs. ride bow, etc.)

All of these features are common to various other drum modules, so I don't believe they are outlandish.  Thanks for considering!

Jer

Quote from: Steve on February 08, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
compatible with the ddrum .mid format - I wrote Clavia they don't care or support it, ddrum makes acoustics.

Did you figure out a way to load Ddrum 4 sounds onto the module? If not, there's an easy way if you'd like to know. Personally, it will expand all your sounds but Ddrum sample are no way as rich as the 2box sounds you can download. First up they're all sampled in Mono, side by side, you'll notice a massive difference. Also, the maximum of layers was only 8, you'll notice that playing too I'd think.

I would like to see the ability to assign notes for each bow, edge, bell etc. I had to find a separate program just so I could assign http://www.2box-forum.com/Smileys/default/drum1.gifthe notes to EzDrummer 2's respective  sounds to trigger them correctly. The way it is currently is pretty stupid if you ask me, because you only have control over the first note, and the go in order.

I think the samples on many of 2 box's kits unnaturally die off near the end of the sample's ring out. It is almost like a gate is shutting down on the sample too early before it should have done so.

I agree get some deals with good VST based software companies, so you can have amazing kit sounds.

I use my 2 box with Ezdrummer, but I couldn't figure out how to get the 2 box module, and EzDrummer to choke right together, for instance in EZD2 the choke is a actual sound, that has a definite start sound, but Drumit 5 is more like a cut of of the previous sound played (more like a gate clamping down on the previous sound).

Try to get EZdrummer 2 too create 3 layer cymbal samples, with proper choking.

I would like an alternate zone setting please.

It would work by alternating through all zones on a dsnd instrument, when only the head zone is triggered.

Example 1: kick sound: ++_ = would alternate between head and rim in sequence. [A B A B A B]
This would make double kick drums sound more authentic when a left and right kick sample is available. Both cannot be merged into a single zone because 2box round robin doesn't alternate samples in sequence, so alternating zones is the best solution while keeping a single input for kick.

Example 2: loop sound: +++ = would play a music loop / chord sequence with available zones. [A B C A B C]
4 zones / loops would be ideal here for progressive chords

Hey friends!

One thing that can be easy (I guess...) to add is separate EQ for each drum channel, instead of sharing the same EQ curve for everything.
A compressor would be great as well.

I'd like the following:

• Ability to assign a cymbal to Tom 4 (enabling cymbal choke)
• Compression and other effects (different types or reverb?)
• Spline function on pad dynamics
• Sound layering

as a future electronic drummer (old acoustic drummer but living now in an apartment) i'm dreaming of a DRUMIT 6 (or DRUMIT 5 MKIII or DRUMMIT 7 as you wish ) with 2 universal input triggers more, maybe 6 symmetrical outs for professional stage use, comp, para eq and effect send per channel, rooms and plate reverbs (ie Yamaha dtx pro x, but this one still have that horrible gun effect on toms (which is a shame for a brand like Yamaha) and too expensive as it is.
dreamer,nothing but a dreamer  :)

Unfortunately, it seems that 2box will not show anything new. It's a shame I'm their fan. I just registered the Fame module, which is almost the same, just a slightly larger display and box and a different color in the SW editor. Big disappointment, it's a pity they didn't add anything, the control on the module is really pre-flood and inconvenient. 

how is it possible that on the Drumit Five MK2 there is no reverb effect.
I can not believe it.

Here's my take on lack of effects on 2box modules.

Lots of their library sounds, and indeed custom ones, can have reverb/effects burned into the sample. IMHO, this is not ideal, you're better off with a dryer sound and adding it in post.

Now, as like drum sounds, people's tastes in effects vary massively. When I had a 2box set up (2 x drumit3 modules) I had it kicking major butt. I had it multi outputted in to a mixer. Channel list was set up like:
1. Kick
2. snare
3+4 Toms
5. Hihat
6+7 Cymbals

And as such, I added compression, eq and some ambient verb to the drums and reverb to snare. The desk in question was a Behringer X18.

This was a killer set up and if not for the fact a local shop happen to have a Mimic pro in stock, I'd still have it and would have saved £2000. Don't get me wrong, the mimic is immense. But the above set up sounded as good!