Hi!
I am rather new to this forum - I have been around for a while and have been doing some e-drumming, DIY etc..I have just for fun bought a 2BOX module to compare with what I am currently using.
After have been updating the OS on the 2BOX module and carefully been reading the manual...I just realized that the USB port is not able to send any midi. The USB port is only used for storing files, OS etc. This has also been confirmed in other threads. But as a new user of 2BOX - What is really this?
Of course - using an external midi interface is not a problem ...but I would argument that this is great drawback in functionality and even poor design. I would have expected more...
ANGR77
Just buy a USB to midi cable and your good to go ,
works great for me. 8)
HI Anders, Welcome to the orange side.
I think you'll find this is the first of few surprises!
Allan
Thanks Allan.
My orange journey is more for test purposes - got it for a bargin and I thought I am a Swedish guy and I must support the local initiatives! (Think outside the box)...but you are right the box includes more frustration, which I really wonder what they was up to when designing the module.
But...I have to say it triggers very good. I wonder how they do it - connect what ever in terms of triggers/e-pads and it works just great with the default settings...and then it sounds great also!
So - maybe I should not be too hard...
ANGR77
If you like things to be "outside the box" you will love the external SD card mod ;D :drum1:
I use the 2 box with the stock sounds, which are awesome, and with vst's and I love it. Got to admit, I never tried anything but stock roland kits. So I dont know how vexpressions or vst's would have sounded on a Roland module
Quote from: ANGR77 on December 13, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
but I would argument that this is great drawback in functionality and even poor design. I would have expected more...
ANGR77
Yes, me too. Check out card mod, that's crazy
Yeah, Doc, I have the card mod, too. Awesome!
Quote from: hemiboy on December 18, 2014, 01:41:46 PM
Yeah, Doc, I have the card mod, too. Awesome!
I think Doc is saying it's crazy that users have to open the module and add an extender to access the power of the system.
My biggest issue with the design is tha wasted real estate for the trigger audition buttons that no-one uses.
Yeah maybe that will change on the next generation. 2 box
Allan, What are you playing ,mostly, these days, 2 box, or td 30
Quote from: digitalDrummer on December 18, 2014, 11:56:04 PM
I think Doc is saying it's crazy that users have to open the module and add an extender to access the power of the system.
Yeah, that was the point
Quote from: DocBrown on December 19, 2014, 01:07:25 PM
Yeah, that was the point
Sometimes you have to start small because of budget and availability and build into the "wishlist" of the user as popularity and success of a new product grows. ;) However, then the build cost and price point will also increase. Frankly I don't think we need expensive products that come with all the bells and whistles from the "get go" that look good on paper but become useless in application (read Rolandesque) Just do the mod. It's inexpensive and simple and if it were factory installed it would probly bump the price point up hundreds of dollars instead of tens of dollars at our end. ::) Just my 2 cents on this. :)
I am going to do the mod...:-) fulrmr...you are using Quartz on harness....have you posted your settings somewhere? Are you using the actr 1-3?
Best Regards
Angr77
Quote from: digitalDrummer on December 18, 2014, 11:56:04 PM
My biggest issue with the design is tha wasted real estate for the trigger audition buttons that no-one uses.
they are usefull to select which pad or rim you are editing ... no?
Quote from: fulrmr on December 19, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
Sometimes you have to start small because of budget and availability and build into the "wishlist" of the user as popularity and success of a new product grows. ;) However, then the build cost and price point will also increase. Frankly I don't think we need expensive products that come with all the bells and whistles from the "get go" that look good on paper but become useless in application (read Rolandesque) Just do the mod. It's inexpensive and simple and if it were factory installed it would probly bump the price point up hundreds of dollars instead of tens of dollars at our end. ::) Just my 2 cents on this. :)
Well, in this case I don't agree. If SD card was removable with a slot for it, I don't think it has to be a bigger cost in engineering or production, specially if you see where card is located.
Ok, mod is cheap and easy, but you lose warranty once you open the module. I didn't care when I did it because I got it used, but it's a big problem for new purchases.
I am going to do the patch on my used box. Is it possible to go beyond 32GB? Have anybody tried 64 or 128 GB SD cards?
Looking on the design, it looks like they had plans for an external slot...if looking where the card is located. Have anybody had the guts to make a slot hole directly on the 2Box box in line where the slot is located?
Best regards
Angr77
32GB is the maximum but it's usually enough to store all the kits you'll really want to use. You can also use as many cards as needed, it takes a few seconds to switch.
- SD card compatibility list (http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,1136.0.html)
- Step by step guide with pictures (http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,991.0.html)
- Plug and play kit (http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,1445.0.html)
From the horse's mouth.
When the DrumIt module was developed, there were few sdhc cards which were fast enough. It took LOTS of tests and different cards to find those with the correct access times etc.
So to have a user accessible slot would give LOADS of support questions because users would likely buy the cheapest largest sd card and end up with stuttering behaviour. That's it.
Have a nice xmas all.
2Box could have put a card slot accessible to the outside of the module. That is not the problem. The problem is because there are very few cards that will work without latency or work at all for that matter. Plus the 1001 ways that people could find to screw things up. It would have been a nightmare for 2Box if they had made the card accessible, 10 times more service calls, returns, etc.
The way it is now, it is a simple mod to put the card reader in and it is non destructive, reversible, and for 2Box it is not their responsibility.
Even with the clear instructions we have on the forum there have been plenty of people that have corrupted the cards after doing the mod by plugging in the USB port of the module and trying to access the module via USB port while they have an SD card over 4GB in the slot, formatting the cards wrong, putting OS and Bin files in the wrong partition of the card, using incompatible cards, etc. etc. No modules have been harmed though. Just a card replacement in some cases. Anyway, finding tweaks and modifications to improve electronics, audio equipt., music hardware and software is always going to be around for those who just like to crank it up a notch ...... see what this baby can really do! ;) ;D
and in the case of the 2Box module ...... it's pretty awesome IMO.
J
Edit ....... I just read the post above me after posting my reply ...... yup I talk to the same horse's mouth quite frequently..... ;D
".... yup I talk :) to the same horse's mouth quite frequently"
I can guarantee you, that's not the same horse..
Quote from: thecompetition on December 20, 2014, 11:42:06 PM
".... yup I talk :) to the same horse's mouth quite frequently"
I can guarantee you, that's not the same horse..
yeah, I was talking about Bengt, not to imply that he is a horse though .... :)
Thanks for the reply.
Jman - You are probably right regarding the increased support. But I don't think the problem is very much different from other gears using SD cards like video cameras and sound recorders...many of them request for faster SD-cards. Most often these manufactures posts a support document with approved SD cards. Another thing which hit me - is there actually a complete image posted of the SD-card shipped with the 2Box?
Reason for asking- I can see that my used box has been patched and don't include all sounds.
Posting this baseline could be useful for people who had blown their SD-cards...and want to get back to the original supportable state.
Best Regards
ANGR77
Quote from: ANGR77 on December 21, 2014, 12:07:08 AM
Thanks for the reply.
Jman - You are probably right regarding the increased support. But I don't think the problem is very much different from other gears using SD cards like video cameras and sound recorders...many of them request for faster SD-cards. Most often these manufactures posts a support document with approved SD cards. Another thing which hit me - is there actually a complete image posted of the SD-card shipped with the 2Box?
Reason for asking- I can see that my used box has been patched and don't include all sounds.
Posting this baseline could be useful for people who had blown their SD-cards...and want to get back to the original supportable state.
Best Regards
ANGR77
If you do a bit of browsing through the old threads you will see it isn't as simple as a list of compatible cards because even the cards that are compatible don't always work as the manufacturer might change the chipset from different factories or batches. I've personally tested hundreds of dollars worth of cards. It isn't like your requirements for typical cameras. Read Access time of cards is one of the more important stats, and that stat is rarely posted. And most devices Read Access time is not really important.
Also, as far as replacing sound files, reformatting card, reloading with all the original sounds and latest OS, etc... has been covered quite a few times .... I'll see if I can find you some links.
Here is that link with info on updating OS, replacing missing sound files, etc.
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,2236.msg19631.html#msg19631
And here is a text file I uploaded that shows all the kits in the newest modules plus the sounds associated with the kits: https://files.secureserver.net/0sT2uRFM1qQrTx
The best thing I would suggest is make a backup of your current module, then go to the source of the latest full 2Box soundset in the 1st link I posted. Download the new soundset, new OS system, and replace everything on the module/card. Then you are starting with a module that is basically like new.
If you plan on doing the card mod, you can delay doing that stuff and just start off with all the latest on the new card.
Jman! Many thanks!
http://www.hyperactive.de/sites/default/files/Downloads/2box/DrumIt-Five-module-content1.26.zip
1.7 GB! :-)
Best Regards
ANGR77
Quote from: hemiboy on December 19, 2014, 12:45:00 AM
Allan, What are you playing ,mostly, these days, 2 box, or td 30
I am playing mostly VSTs and really only use modules for trigger testing these days. At the moment, I have two modules connected to my kit - 2box and DM Dock, but I generally have both the 2box and TD-30 conencted (I have split all the trigger outputs into two so that I can run two modules simultaneously.