Is 2 box , just having a quality product, a good enough reason to survive as a company? We have all noticed and commented that there is next to no real push or fanfare that one would think would be going on to make this product explode in the US market. Are we, or should I say, I, looking for a marching band parade that isn't necessary? What do you guys think? Are there big plans for 2 box in the US or do you think it fizzles out? I personally feel that it will be bought out shortly.
My personal opinion: 2Box is better in technology then marketing (orange color is a good example). The boys seem to be technology driven and that make them sell units to the drummers that are looking for the best sounds. So they sell units to you and to me because we know and we picked up the buzz. The pricing of the unit should make it possible to plug into the mainstream of drummers that buy Roland and Yamaha because they do not know about 2Box. And that is where a proper marketing operation should kick in. And that is what is missing at the moment. 2Box move to work with Hoshi should have been more beneficial then it is now. I also think that the Roland Patents in the US is still a showstopper. It is easier to sell with mesh then rubber.
Hmm...I think it just takes more time for the culmination of all these factors to come together in reality for a successful new product line than most of us realize or have the patience to endure the process. My "speculation" (as is any conversation of this nature) would be that 2Box is very small....yes ....technologically savvy...yes..... stupid...umm no. I'd say cunning enough, if given time, to slide in under the radar enough to eventually knock the legs out from under the "Big Boys" before they see it coming, because they don't see them as threat. These boys are not daft when it come to business or the needs of the demographic they target and IMHO are "easing" into the process with small steps, so as not to get so far over their heads that it all come crashing down at once(as a lot of companies over the years have done). Most small businesses don't even show a profit before 5 years much less secure a nationally known distribution contract. Frankly we should be concentrating on(and shouting it to the masses) all the things we think they are doing right rather than speculating about all the things we think are a hindrance, especially since we are not privy to the business model plan they have in mind. As for the US introduction...I think we should give them a year or so before we continually predict their ultimate demise. ;) Just my 2 cents. :)
Well, it's going to be a rough ride considering the competition...
http://youtu.be/t1J9Q-oUDZ8
Happy easter.
Yeah Dan, I don't count them out yet, and I believe that there is a ton of business savvy besides besides the obvious tech savvy I am really curious what you guys think is in the wings. There could be a master plan behind closed doors that would ultimately not only allow 2 box to survive, but to take the lead! I don't want to be the prophet of gloom and doom and I sincerely hope they flourish. But,no matter how much well thought out planning is going on behind those closed doors , there has to be some form of action taken, sooner or later for anything to change. But I have to admit, I don't really think 2Box is too concerned with my judgement of when and how all this should take place, lol... Didn't mean to bash 2 box just for sport, just wanted to hear what others think is going on with the lack of promotion of an excellent product, that's all. I try to sing the praises of 2 box whenever anybody here or on the many other forums ask for a good module, but I save all the bashing for you guys!
Very inspiring thread, Gentlemen!
The 'push' or 'buzz' I feel will come from either of two sides: Hoshino, or Us, the community! Ideally, the buzz will come from both sides simultaneously! ... a genuine 'encirclement attack.' 8)
I don't think the 'Big Boys' never saw it coming! Else I couldn't plausibly justify the sheer existence of Roland's TM2! (...other than it being simply a product for 'water testing').
Murgen has a good point about pricing:
TD15 - 2box is squarely aiming at future TD15 customers. Maybe they'll dig into Roland's future TD15 sales as well. Honest, I would have to search for reasons to go with a TD15 to begin with, given the present market situation.
TD30 - Current TD30 owners will be in denial, I guess...
I mean, a colored module that is sounding more natural than 'SuperNatural'...?
At (not even) half the price...?
EVIL!
...'pure Evil' I tell 'ya ...'Pure Evil' in module-form! ;)
As Daniel said it, the people behind 2box are not daft! ...they better not be.
After all, they have years of experience under their belt within the 'realm' of Clavia/DDrum!
Guys , am I missing something here? .Because 2 box is in the same price point as a Td 15 and in my opinion blows the sounds of the td 30 away, ( I had one) why aren't they being displayed, promoted, and advertised by their dealer network? I backed off the other day because I don't want to have negative comments about it, but I am over it. I also respect the opinions of those that felt I was kinda bashing them. I can and do shout the praises of 2 box and I showed my support by buying one. It is not my job to promote them or advertise them, unless they start paying me! Nobody is saying that the originators aren't bright and innovative. But if you want to compete, put your gloves on and get in the ring! If Floyd Mayweather was losing, nobody would be coddling him and his promotors and keep talking about what their plans might be in the back room.What is the plan in the ring? Either you are hitting or you are getting hit! Because it is priced so reasonably and it's a super product, show it to the world . This product should be almost selling itself and it's not! Why, because nobody knows about it. Wake up 2 box, this is not the Wizard of Oz. Come out from behind the curtain. Put on your gloves and start punching! See those guys over there? Yeah, that's Floyd Roland and Manny Yamaha and they want to knock your head off! There I said it and I'm glad! There is negativity and there is reality!
Don't underestimate the word of mouth!
The orange headlines in the new Tama Cocktail-Jam ads is a promising start. I could see this going somewhere... The idea of a 2box-based A2E kit that is compact and doesn't take up much space is a very delicious and exciting one!
I don't know how 'tight' their dealer network is at present, but I know there have been tremendous support from guys like Scott from Cymbalism, Davey from Diamond-Drums, or Steven from Electronic Drum Center.
And at NAMM 2box struck a deal with other big dealers (such as Guitar Center), so those who want 2box sooner or later will get 2box! ...no matter if there are big, flashy advertisements in the background or not.
I would rather like to NOT co-finance Roland's big, bold marketing-machinery department.... :o :-X
Danoh, I think we are both basically saying the same thing, but as far as guys like Cymbalisism. And e drum center supporting 2 box and going out of there way to support the company and customers, many of them forum members here and on v drum, there is no doubt. I couldn't agree more. I am talking about 2 box supporting THEM! Supporting them by filling their showrooms with banners like ( 2 Box Is Here! ) Have kits and modules in brick and mortar showrooms at RMC Audio, Guitar center, Sam Ash, etc...And train employees as to what 2 box is, where it's from, and how it differs from Roland, Yammie and everybody else. In other words, give it a fair and formal introduction to the USA. If the farmer wants to marry off his daughter, he doesn't lock her in her room, he takes her out for all to see, right . Anyway, we all want 2box to make it. I am going to save my breath. This is marketing 101, not rocket science. I will survive no matter what they do! If this is their marketing plan that constructed behind closed doors, IMHO, they better go back behind closed doors or they will go the way Yugo went, lol!
Oh, it's this way around, Okay!
Yes, I agree: The dealers can be supportive all they want - if they don't take delivery, have 2box product to sell, and can stock up on 'the good stuff', the whole endeavour is kinda askew... backwards ....pointless ...really missing the mark.
THen again, I'm positive that currently, at the moment at least the 'top dogs' (mentioned above) haven't any issues with stock! It seems it is more the 'braching out', that is the hard part. In other countries, like Canada for example.
If 'mccrackins' experience is anything to go by, guys like 'Long-McQuade' really have stock problems now, it seems. I mean, come on, the poor guy waited like 8 months, only to finally have to cancel his order (there is something VERY wrong, here!) and heading straight to Cymbalism! (there is something GOOD, here!) From 'Long-McQuade's point-of-view, either they got runned over with inquiries, or Hoshino simply couldn't get the modules to them. Who knows?
Who exactly should give the poor staff this kind of education regarding 2box, anyway? Does 2box itself have marketing- or sales-representatives?
(who the heck is Yugo, by the way?)
Yugo was a car company that didn't make it in the day when wheels were square when I was a kid! I forgot to factor in how old I am compared to most of you guys when I posted that! Anyway had some extra time last week so I got to play a lot and enjoy my 2 box.Looking forward to Addictive drums 2 release as well next month. Let's see what happens. Yeah, poor mckrackins was the record holder in Canada at nine plus months waiting . I gotta be in the running in the US at the 8 plus months , but we are both long past that and enjoying out 2 box now. Go 2 box !!!
Yugo did not make it but Skoda did! By working together with Volkswagen.
hehehe...I remember the Yugo. ;)
Only time will tell the tale. IMHO...it's all about money...time and patience. Slow methodical advancements in a market that's already saturated with "established old blood". 2Box doesn't have the expendable capital at the moment to "out bling" the present competitors...even with the spectacular product they now have. So...getting consistent distribution in place, before hand, and word of mouth established (satisfied true user testimony) is key to solidify any spectacular advertising campaign at the moment. I've seen too many new companies and new products drive up the hype to the "9's" only to become vaporware or at the very most..an extreme disappointment because they couldn't back it up. 2Box is well on the way to being able to back up every statement they have put out related to the supremacy of their product. All we can do at the moment is keep putting out our positive experiences until the time comes when "real" push begins after they have "dug in" and break out the pyrotechnics and the light show begins. ;)
Quote from: fulrmr on April 17, 2014, 07:34:11 PM
(...) so as not to get so far over their heads that it all come crashing down at once(as a lot of companies over the years have done).
Quote from: fulrmr on April 20, 2014, 05:58:54 PM
I've seen too many new companies and new products drive up the hype to the "9's" only to become vaporware or at the very most..an extreme disappointment
I can't see inside your head (:D) so what companies are on your mind?
Any particular names? (...that I've never heard before?)
Yeah Dan and Danoh , I guess they have to proceed slowly, with today's available capital only, not Let's see what happens going into a mass of borrowed funds because what that is called , even if is not formally mentioned, taking on partners. I have to admit that the little bit that I have experienced with advertising, is that it is super expensive! I also am going to take this opportunity to resign as Director Of Operations for the 2 Box Company. I have been going thru some rough stuff in my personal life and a lot of anger has been coming out all over. I went thru my recent posts, and I realized that I am out of my f-----g mind. Sorry for the rants guys. Instead of looking at the glasses as half full instead of half empty, I have been smashing all the glasses, yours, mine, everybody's! Trying to fasten myself securely back to reality today, looking for a strong enough chain, and a muzzle to go with it. Hey Dan, you remember the Yugo, good man!
Hemi - I get your frustration, and it might not be just because my life gets stressful at times. I think it also has to do with seeing something good and wanting it to succeed and to enhance your life. I think it is innately human to want to see success and to want to enhance one's life.
Daniel made a good point about businesses overextending. I can't remember names at this time, but my local paper's business section occasionally has a story about a company going belly up because it expanded too quickly (e.g., by buying new equipment to increase production) and then not having enough sales to be able to make the payments on the loans that were needed to expand.
But we all know we don't really know what is going on. Is Hoshino going slowly because production wouldn't be able to keep up with demand? Is 2box going slowly because they don't want marketing expenses to grow faster than revenue? Or is it just a case of dysfunctional management? People come and people go. Viable businesses sometimes become dysfunctional when the wrong people arrive or stay and the right people leave...
Or is it that 2box has decided that soft drinks, wifi, and snacks are what they really want to invest in?
Hey Renegator, Where you been. Haven't seen you around for a while. Yeah, I am sometimes too passionate when I believe in something. I definitely like getting different ideas from all you peeps with more experience than me. I really feel that in this case the problem is insufficient amount of capital to do this great product justice. I concede that many great companies started out small so I just hope that 2box gets the breaks they need to take off like wildfire. I have been thinking about a few things tat Danoh and Fulmer said about the ownership of this company. This guy has been around since the 80's , has watched his competition from the gate as well. Which means he knows all their weaknesses as well as strengths. So, that means that I don't know what he knows. I felt that the open sound system and pricing really well promoted would have grabbed the attention of some of Roland's customers, but they didn't get the product here. I also believe you gotta strike while the iron is hot and it could be cooling off a little. Roland has had a lot of time to answer 2 box I believe that if Roland comes out with an open sound system and delivers realistic sounds like 2 box, that 2 box is in peril, we will see. Only Roland's goofy pricing would prevent this
Quote from: Renegator on April 20, 2014, 09:06:12 PM
Or is it that 2box has decided that soft drinks, wifi, and snacks are what they really want to invest in?
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Quote from: hemiboy on April 20, 2014, 08:27:22 PM
Yeah Dan and Danoh , I guess they have to proceed slowly, with today's available capital only, not Let's see what happens going into a mass of borrowed funds because what that is called , even if is not formally mentioned, taking on partners. I have to admit that the little bit that I have experienced with advertising, is that it is super expensive! I also am going to take this opportunity to resign as Director Of Operations for the 2 Box Company. I have been going thru some rough stuff in my personal life and a lot of anger has been coming out all over. I went thru my recent posts, and I realized that I am out of my f-----g mind. Sorry for the rants guys. Instead of looking at the glasses as half full instead of half empty, I have been smashing all the glasses, yours, mine, everybody's! Trying to fasten myself securely back to reality today, looking for a strong enough chain, and a muzzle to go with it. Hey Dan, you remember the Yugo, good man!
Breathe man. It's all good. :) This it what discussion forums are for. ;) I for one enjoy an "energetic" civil debate. ;) We all walk the edge from time to time because of whatever reasons. Hope things level out at home for you quickly. :)
As far as evaporation point of some companies...That's just it...I really don't recall the ones that have disappeared completely over all the years...but recently......maybe the Pearl Pro pads...the elusive DITI(that may very well be crawling out from under a rock...maybe)..Alesis with the DM10 that made great promises, and then abandoned it...the DMDock(another elusive animal)...I'm sure there are plenty more...but you get my point....right? ;)
I'm more afraid Zildjian will ditch the Gen16 then 2Box going out of business ....
I think it would be great if they had a larger presence, but that isn't always a good thing.
Target came into Canada and took over 124 Zellers stores and renovated/rebranded those stores. They did it in a very short time. They have been hampered by supply problems, data breach etc. and lost 941 million dollars. The reason why Canucks like Target across the border was variety and cost. They didn't translate those things that people like to the Target Canada stores. - http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/target-canada-loses-941m-in-2013-weighing-on-u-s-profit-1.2551942
I'd be happy if they continue to improve upon the product and keep up with demand and mostly stay in business. Maybe getting a few high profile drummer endorsements would help US penetration.
If they've sold 5000 kits so far, that's roughly 10 million dollars in sales. Probably cut that in half of what they actually get due to mark-up, distribution, manufacturing. That is probably not even the marketing budget of Yamaha/Roland.
I would think that some high profile drummer endorsements would be great for 2box. Who do we nominate? I am sure there are quite a few drummers we could pick. Do you think it should be somebody already established for years like Peart or maybe Travis Barker or somebody playing with a classic rock band like Zak Starkey
2box is competing in market served by some successful manufacturers with significant R&D capability, established distribution channels, marketing expertise and deep pockets.
It is very tough for a small start-up Scandinavian outfit to compete, even with a great product. In fact, a great product is just the start of success. Long-term survival will depend on distribution, pricing and promotion (marketing) as well as continued product differentiation. I hope 2box survives, but it's hard to see how it will unless it addresses all of the bases.
Some of us, including me, thought they should go for broke now, to have any shot of making it. But after carefully listening to Dan, Danoh, and others, I am looking at it a little differently now. Because of 2 box being a smaller company anod not having the financial clout behind them to spend the kind of money that the biggies, Roland and Yamaha have, they probably have to take it slow or they might get gobbled up! They have done what they could up to this point, with a lot of problems, the patent thing, the production delays, but because the product is so good and priced so right at least at this point, that is their best reasons for survival. I am just a hacker, but " Real Musicians"can definitely attest to the technology and quality of this bugger! So if it takes off with gigging musicians and some of them become spokespeople like Johnny Rabb, Gregg Bisonette, Thomas Lang, and Michael Shack have done for Roland,and Kenny Aranoff ( misspelled?) for Yamaha, that might help. Let's see! I only know one thing for sure! Hemiboy is having a good time drumming with 2 Box! Take that Roland and Yamaha!
I forgot to ask you guys what big name drummer is sponsored by Tama, anybody? That might be a likely candidate to promote 2 box
Quote from: hemiboy on April 22, 2014, 11:18:29 PM
I forgot to ask you guys what big name drummer is sponsored by Tama, anybody? That might be a likely candidate to promote 2 box
Portnoy for one...but here's a list:
http://www.tamadrum.co.jp/artist/list10.php?area=2
Hemi, this touches a nerve every time. Tama and 2box have nothing to do with each other. Hoshino, which distributes Tama (and Ibanez) in the US, has an agreement to distribute 2box. Tama would not want to jeopardise its reputation by using its endorsees to promote an alternative brand.
My bad, so busy trying to recruit a pro drummer to endorse 2 box, I forgot that Tama and 2 box have only their distributor in common and otherwise are not affiliated. Can I plead insanity and throw myself at the mercy of the court. Lol? Who knows, there may come a time , when Tama and all the rest of the acoustic drum manufacturers come begging to be affiliated with 2 box! With the growth of the acoustic hybrid market, it is not that far fetched, right?
Quote from: digitalDrummer on April 23, 2014, 12:49:16 AM
Tama would not want to jeopardise its reputation by using its endorsees to promote an alternative brand.
I doubt you know that for sure, however I do see your side. Frankly, though, I wouldn't think Tama would be threatened by 2Box cutting into it's sales any more than Yamaha is threatened by Gen16. That said...I'm sure if any of these big names wanted to endorse 2Box.....Tama would have very little to say about it. Though I guess I couldn't be sure about that either. ;)
Murgen, I don't know too much at all about the Gen 16's Do you play yours triggered or stock? I like the looks of the buffed bronze but I can't and wouldn't come up with that kinda scratch for them right now. I would like to buy a set used down the road and trigger them though. I take it that the Gen's haven't sold great, is that right?
Quote from: hemiboy on April 23, 2014, 02:00:17 AM
Can I plead insanity and throw myself at the mercy of the court. Lol?
Case dismissed. You are hereby cautioned against making any future connections between Tama and any Scandinavian electronics company.
That reminds me of a little joke,,, Your Honor, I swear to god!! I got on her and right off her
Quote from: hemiboy on April 23, 2014, 02:21:00 AM
Murgen, I don't know too much at all about the Gen 16's Do you play yours triggered or stock? I like the looks of the buffed bronze but I can't and wouldn't come up with that kinda scratch for them right now. I would like to buy a set used down the road and trigger them though. I take it that the Gen's haven't sold great, is that right?
Can't speak for Murgen but I use them both ways you mentioned. I don't think Zildjian will be abandoning Gen16 any time soon...especially with the Buffed Bronze series coming out. From the audio I've heard...they have stepped up their game and listened to the masses about creating a warmer tone base for their processing with the DS pickups. I think they are here to stay. I have it on good authority that they are looking to the future with these and are continuing development in the Gen16 line. I'm thinking of picking up a BB set for the kit at my church. I doubt I'll be converting any of those though. I think they'll do just fine as is.
Quote from: hemiboy on April 23, 2014, 02:21:00 AM
Murgen, I don't know too much at all about the Gen 16's Do you play yours triggered or stock? I like the looks of the buffed bronze but I can't and wouldn't come up with that kinda scratch for them right now. I would like to buy a set used down the road and trigger them though. I take it that the Gen's haven't sold great, is that right?
I play out of the box (AE480) with separately purchased Direct Pickups. My concern is the next (forgive me some rants):
The engineer who developed the Gen16 (small company hired by Zildjian) is incredible nice, friendly, eager and active in solving the small teething issues where the Zildjian does not seem to care about European customers.
The GEN16 has teething issues.
The first pickups bleed (because they are mic's picking up every sound/noise) and the second release, the Direct Pickups have some small quality issues (plastic connector breaking down, 1 had defect in led-wiring, 1 screw-thread was screwed up) and they were all solved within a couple of days by Julia because she send me replacement parts without any charge. :D.
I feel incredible grateful for her effort because she saved my day twice and Zildjian's rep for me (I'm a Paiste Giant Beat kid all over on my acoustic kit). In the mean time Zildjian ditched the GEN16.com website without notification and does not offer the European clients any upgrade to Direct Pickups and hihat modification - you have to drill a larger hole in the bottom hat to make the Direct Pickup module fit! Next to this, there are almost no dealers over here selling the Direct Pickup. A German drummer from this forum bought 6 in the USA last summer and used a remail firm to get them here and send me 3 of those, I still think the guy did a great job because the Direct Pickups are a large improvement.
Finally: I'm looking forward to the bronze GEN's for the sound. Just puzzled why Zildjian did not offered them in the first place. I do hope that the bronze cymbals are strong enough, they are perforated all over and this weakens the structure. That is my major worry, is the GEN16 bronze sufficiently tested or do we run into a next teething issue?
/rant
Quote from: Murgen on April 23, 2014, 05:48:49 PM
In the mean time Zildjian ditched the GEN16.com website without notification
/rant
This Z site still has Gen 16s...is it different from the one in your country?
http://zildjian.com/
Quote from: fulrmr on April 23, 2014, 07:34:58 PM
This Z site still has Gen 16s...is it different from the one in your country?
http://zildjian.com/
There used to be www.gen16.com ...
Quote from: Murgen on April 23, 2014, 07:55:08 PM
There used to be www.gen16.com ...
Interesting...I've always just accessed them for here. Not sure why they would need a separate page anyway since they are a Zildjian product?
Quote from: fulrmr on April 23, 2014, 08:11:59 PM
Interesting...I've always just accessed them for here. Not sure why they would need a separate page anyway since they are a Zildjian product?
Me bad! Forgot the dash. Still alive it seems.
http://gen-16.com/Support/Contact-Us
Quote from: Murgen on April 23, 2014, 08:29:48 PM
Me bad! Forgot the dash. Still alive it seems.
http://gen-16.com/Support/Contact-Us
hehehe..it's still attached to the Zildjian home page though. ;)
Interesting discussion, but everyone's assuming that 2box is intending to compete with Roland and Yamaha. For all I know, that may be true. But what if they're playing a different game, trying for something else entirely? To hobbyists, tinkerers, and weekend giggers, they're the quirky company with the orange pads and the open module. To pros, they're the obvious choice. Remember back when every touring drummer seemed to use a ddrum module? I suspect that many pros are using, or will soon begin to use, 2box modules--and we might not even know it, because they're using hidden triggers on acoustic drums. In this sense, it's possible to be a profitable, successful company, even if you're not dominating the market.
that's true. being successful is not necessarily the same thing as shipping squillions of units.
Quote from: RadioKing on May 26, 2014, 03:24:26 AM
Interesting discussion, but everyone's assuming that 2box is intending to compete with Roland and Yamaha. For all I know, that may be true. But what if they're playing a different game, trying for something else entirely? To hobbyists, tinkerers, and weekend giggers, they're the quirky company with the orange pads and the open module. To pros, they're the obvious choice. Remember back when every touring drummer seemed to use a ddrum module? I suspect that many pros are using, or will soon begin to use, 2box modules--and we might not even know it, because they're using hidden triggers on acoustic drums. In this sense, it's possible to be a profitable, successful company, even if you're not dominating the market.
Indeed. :)
Tomas Haake of Meshuggah uses two 2 Box modules, one a back up, for his bass drums.
Quote from: bluelachanodrakon on May 26, 2014, 07:59:04 PM
Tomas Haake of Meshuggah uses two 2 Box modules, one a back up, for his bass drums.
I believe Randy Black from Primal Fear is sponsored by 2box. I found out recently he used to be a regular on the club circuit in my hometown back in the 80's/90's. He has the 2box logo on the bottom of his website with his other sponsors - http://www.randyblack.de/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNi63UvbWY
This german metal drummer has a pretty awesome 2box setup - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=750032651685239
Very cool. 8)
Great to have others to throw out a completely different perspective! Maybe 2 box will end up cornering more of a "specialty market" , possibly appealing to pros and weekend giggers as mentioned. Good to hear, that they are out there being used by lots of pros already! Cool!
Quote from: hemiboy on May 27, 2014, 12:01:30 PM
Great to have others to throw out a completely different perspective! Maybe 2 box will end up cornering more of a "specialty market" , possibly appealing to pros and weekend giggers as mentioned. Good to hear, that they are out there being used by lots of pro's already! Cool!
Quality over quantity ... (orange is the new black ... Even on Netflix). ;)
Another pro using the Drumit 5
https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.musicnstuff.de/drums-news/article/news-sebastian-captain-schmidt-setzt-auf-2box.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3D2box%2Bdrumit%2Bfive%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26es_sm%3D122%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D597%26tbs%3Dqdr:w
Yeah, the pros know the difference! Pretty sure they didn't wait 8 or 9 months for a module or kit, lol! ( free shot ! ) anyway, great to see it catching on in the professional community! It will definitely help spread the word, cool!
Alex Rudinger - a death metal drummer who gained recognition thanks to posting videos on YouTube is now using 2box module 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY7OQtSrOx0