Hi,
since yesterday I have my new 2Box-kit.
In the standard-configuration the snare is double-triggering. I tried to fix it by changing the tension of the head but not really successful. Increasing the thresh from -48 to -40 reduces most of the double triggers. But of course the sensitivitiy is also reduced. Very weak hits are suppressed with these settings
Is there a way to avoid double triggering without reducing the sensitivity?
Greets, Manfred
Hi welcome to the forum.
Also play about with the Gain settings and the Curve settings. You may also want to press 'More' and 'snare' and double check the settings for that element also
Cheers
Hi there Manfred, wilkommen :)
One of the other forum members, nonoduweb, replaced his with a Roland double-mesh head and that fixed it (http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,144.0.html)...
Do you have an old dampening ring lying around you could try? I'll PM Scott to see if this has come up in discussion at 2box.
Cheers
Tom
I have the vel. curve on linear (normal)
treshold on -45 (so between 40 and 48)
and tighten up the mesh head very strong
No double triggering at all, except when I hit the pad twice :D
Hi
Perhaps you can try with another head but not a roland. The V drum heads are very good but expensive.
I think that my snare head had a problem.
Quote from: nonoduweb on December 29, 2009, 05:59:20 PM
Hi
Perhaps you can try with another head but not a roland.
I think that my snare head had a problem.
If you are looking for a new meshhead, try the drum-tec pro meshheads these are superb.
I have played on them at drum-tec and these are really good.
Hi,
thanks for your hints so far. Tomorrow I will try what I can reach with different Trigger-Settings. I also read that the drum-tec meshs are pretty good. But at first I want to try out all the options and settings the brain is offering.
bye, Manfred
Hi Manfred,
I think it would be a good idea to have a guide somewhere on the forum for questions like this - I had some issues with the snare double triggering at first, and I tried a few things - all or a combination of these may help.
- I have my snare pad set to Threshold 38, and Gain at 1 or 2. At these levels the sensitivity is close to a real drum as you need for playing imo
- Change the pad type from the 12" setting to a 10" setting. (Yes it is a 12" pad, just do it ;))
- Make sure the head tension is not too slack, as this may cause the pad surface to 'wobble' more gibing you double triggers.
After doing this my double triggering went away. Now if only I could get the hats to work perfectly...
Good idea Baby Samus, I'll move this thread to a new section and "sticky" it along with any others that seem useful.
Hello,
accidentally i found out that double triggerings stops when a small cloth is lying on the mesh. So i took a small piece of the styrofoam of the shipping box, wrapped it with some cotton taken of an old t-shirt an put it between the t-bar of the snare holder an the mesh. Not to strong, just that the cotton touches the mesh.
With this i can set the thresh to -48 and there is no double triggering. So even very weak hits on the snare lead to a trigger event. This might not be the best solution but i can live with it until the snare mesh is replaced with a more high-grade one.
I think i will also try the hint with the different mesh-size-setting.
bye, Manfred
Great found
Turning back 1 tuning bolt perhaps will do the job, as well
Happy New Ear
Hello all togehter,
I´m new on this forum and I must say, I like it. It´s great to have a member of the 2box-team on board.
I have my 2box-set a couple of weeks. For the people who have problems with doubletriggering please try to put a peace of soft foam between head (trigger) and Cover. The reason for that doubletriggering is, in my opinion, the ring of foam under the head, wich is to hard. On stage I´m using a meshheaded Sonorset with a softer ring of foam under the head and the ddrum-trigger, and it works fine.
fuzziebea
i know that this may sound a little odd but should we have to have workarounds for a kit that we've just paid £1600 for. Surely it should just work out of the box right? ???
i must confess i'm a little disappointed with these issues.
D
... do you know the price for a Roland? And not evolutive...
I do indeed know the cost of a roland kit. :-X
I'm just frustrated that's all, the TD9 has inferior sound but at least the hihat functions as you would expect. It's not perfect!
I guess that's the problem with the drumit five, it promises a great deal BUT with the HH control and double trigger issues it isn't delivering as expected.
To continue this thead - A quick work around for the snare double triggering is to pop 3 coins (1 pence pieces) between the foam ring and mesh. (they will need securing with a tiny bit of gafa.) Then youcan have the threshold on -48 and get great ghost notes.
It's just a shame we had to do this.... i love the sound of the toms and snares though very organic. Not convinced that the HH layers blend very well with the kits though......any thoughts on this?
I don't have problems of double triggering ... strange
I have set the mesh really tight, let the original threshold
but I have completely changed the rim settings.
The hihat word now almost good.. (depends also of the choosen sound) but sometimes it appears to be open while its close
(I have a yamaha hihat pedal).
Hi Manfred,
the key is to change the triggertype in the brain-settings to pad 10 or even AcTr3.
Just try different variations of settings, and also gain and threshold.
I had double-triggers as well with factory-settings, but now they are completely gone, and the sensitivitiy is superb. (from the lightest stroke to very loud)
(without changing the mesh head or the tightening of the head)
hello from france ....
I agree with Manfred , dampening a mesh head helps a lot for accurate triggering ...
Dampening the mesh head from the inside (with some foam ring like a REMO muffle http://www.remo.com/portal/products/2/599/607/dh_muffl_ring.html or something DIY ) prevents the skin to vibrate creating some "sustain"
... the piezo ,who acts a bit like a microphone , picks that sustain , and this "long" signal causes double or triple triggering ...
IMO, dampening the skin , combined with a precise GAIN setting is a good way to go...
So allways try to "feed" the pads input with the best possible signal ( CLEAN GAIN AND MUFFLED RESONNANCE ), it will help the brain to detect precisely ...
this way you can lower the threshold quite a lot ...
I dont own a whole 2box kit , but only the module , as a snare drum ,i use a 12" pearl tom with a DDRUM snare trigger and a DDT mesh head
...that works quite well exept for the rim , i think it is a weekness of any drum trigger on acoustic drum , as the rim piezo and the skin piezzo are mounted on the same shell and are not enough insulated from each other...if you have tricks to share on this ...
I wish you all a happy new year , with a new and working module editor , and a new and more tweekable OS , with presets for other brands hihats , cymbals , and drum pads for example ;)
... and for me a new SD card ... i ve got a bad one :( but still enjoy this great module!!!)
2Box pads already have foam inside so I don't see the need and room to add another Remo Muffle
Quote from: puttenvr on December 26, 2010, 08:13:54 AM
2Box pads already have foam inside so I don't see the need and room to add another Remo Muffle
That's right so why we wanna do that...
sorry , but as i said , i do not own 2box pads ... if there is foam inside it s great ;)
Those who don't have problems with multiple triggers might not see the need to do something. But there are some kits where the problems can not be fixed by simple trigger settings. Damping with foam is not the best solution since it reduces the playable area at the pad. Changing the head to a 2-ply type is better in my opinion. Since i changed to a drumtec design meshhead i don't have problems anymore. With the new head i can even set the threshold to -48 and there are no problems.
Manfred
Hi guys, in my experience whatever pad the snare is set to needs to have the head set tighter than the others, as you would on a normal kit. The only time my snare double triggers is when the head has slackened off, so make sure none of you have the snare head too slack. +1 to what putt says, there is already a large foam ring support in each pad, so you really should not need to add more.
AlainV seems to agree on this too, he hasn't changed any settings and just made sure the head was tight enough and again, no double triggers.
I think anyone having these issues should double check how tight the snare mesh head is before sticking on bits of foam and cloth and whatever else - try threshold 40, gain 0, curve normal, then tighten the snare head until the double triggers stop. My snare head is tightened almost as tight as a normal snare batter head would be - but I think this is how it should be set, as your snare reponse has to be lightening quick - the slacker the head the less responsive it will be, hence the poor triggering.
None of you should need to add anything to your kit to make it work - it should just work, and if it doesn't get the parts replaced whilst you can because something is wrong.
Ok guys , I know now where i can stick my foam ring ...;)
In general it's always good to crank the mesh heads up a bit more, since their surfaces always behave more flexible (irregular) than a normal (more stiff) plastic head would do.
Right out of the box my snare had double triggering too. I cranked up the head to my notmal snare drum tension and the ghost was gone.
wooow nice thread resurrection!!!
in my opinion, quite the opposite should be done. not cranking the mesh head too much. i have it with mid tention. having it too tight, makes the beater bounce way more thus making it double triggering. reducing threshold should be the first thing to do imo.
first you must set up gain correctly. than have medium tight mesh head and experimenting with threshold. if you cant achieve optimal trigerring, tehn you should try tigting the mesh a bit i guess... thats what my experience tells me
To me, it seems some of the snare samples have a bit of slap back echo in them. Make sure it's not just the individual sound before you start tweaking and create a new problem for yourself. My snare performs great but I do notice a slapback on some samples.
I did not realise the double triggering when using 2box module. it was only when I connected 2box to laptop using Cubase and addictive drums and the double triggering was really bad on my snare. I cranked up tension on snare but did not help.. I followed advice about adjusting setting on 2box module.. set threshold to 40.. gain = 0.. curve = normal... works a treat.. no more double triggering.. Happy days