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Title: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: drummer81 on November 04, 2009, 07:03:02 PM
hello from Greece to your cool forum!!!i have a roland td-12 and i think to give it cause i wanna buy a 2box.
but as i read here this one (2box) has a problem with hi-hat and kick drum pad.
What do you think about it?Does the kick of 2box make a lot of noise cause i live in a building with many appartments and i don't want to be annoying for the other tenants?i want to order it as soon as possible, however this noise matter is an issue. what do you suggest?

please answer me as soon as possible


thank you Sakis...


Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 04, 2009, 08:20:29 PM
People say that the 2Box mesh headed pads make less noise than pads from other companies. Problems with the hihat will be solved. At this moment the Roland is better on that (single) point but you have to like their plastic tom sounds and louzy dynamics.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 04, 2009, 08:27:32 PM
Maybe the rubber heads will be quieter.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 04, 2009, 08:59:40 PM
Maybe the rubber heads will be quieter.

No its not, I had a roland td12 and the thing that I don't like: the small pads,the bad dynamics, and the sounds.
when I played @ the 2box the sounds are blowing me away and the pads /cymbals are bigger.The hihatstand /rack that comes with the drumit five is a joke.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Travis182 on November 04, 2009, 10:40:43 PM
Maybe the rubber heads will be quieter.

No its not, I had a roland td12 and the thing that I don't like: the small pads,the bad dynamics, and the sounds.
when I played @ the 2box the sounds are blowing me away and the pads /cymbals are bigger.The hihatstand /rack that comes with the drumit five is a joke.

I think thats a little harsh to be honest! For them to bring out a whole kit with stands and pedals for that price is bloody good!. Personally i would much rather have the 2box stand over the TD9 especially, that thing feels like your sitting at a toy. I honestly don't see why people have such a problem with the rack unless they have set it up wrong. From all there videos the thing doesn't move. I believe it's all a perception of the way the rack looks, the fact that it might look unsteady makes people believe it is, when it really isn't.

Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 04, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
Roel have you tried the 2box rubber heads?
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 05, 2009, 06:40:25 AM
Roel have you tried the 2box rubber heads?

I've had rubber heads on my roland td6 and they make more noise than the meshheads.
So I think the rubber heads for the drumit five also.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Dr.Wu on November 05, 2009, 07:45:36 AM
The kickdrum on the 2box is a LOT noisier than the KD-8 from Roland. Unacceptable for playing in an appartment.
And the fact that it is connected to the rack is a very bad idea too because each kick hit shakes the whole thing and literally forces the kit to move around the room after a while.
Ever since i changed to the KD-8 i am much happier with the Drumit5.
Next up is the cymbalstands. I am still waiting for a replacement of the broken one and thinking about buying a real seperate one to avoid crosstriggering. Right now hitting the toms almost always triggers one of the cymbals. Tried all kinds of settings but when i adjust the cymbal so it doesnt trigger from the toms it is way to unsensitive for regular playing.

Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Calimero on November 05, 2009, 09:21:31 AM
Looking by the dates of your posts ,you are waiting for 2 months now on a replacment cymbal?
 :(

edit: oops,you are talking about the cymbal-stand,I thought you ment the cymbal-pad.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Scottie on November 05, 2009, 10:13:51 AM
The kickdrum on the 2box is a LOT noisier than the KD-8 from Roland. Unacceptable for playing in an appartment.
And the fact that it is connected to the rack is a very bad idea too because each kick hit shakes the whole thing and literally forces the kit to move around the room after a while.
Ever since i changed to the KD-8 i am much happier with the Drumit5.
Next up is the cymbalstands. I am still waiting for a replacement of the broken one and thinking about buying a real seperate one to avoid crosstriggering. Right now hitting the toms almost always triggers one of the cymbals. Tried all kinds of settings but when i adjust the cymbal so it doesnt trigger from the toms it is way to unsensitive for regular playing.



Hi Dr.Wu

Did you contact Hyperactive to get a replacement cymbal stand out for you?

Thanks
Scott
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Dr.Wu on November 07, 2009, 07:07:42 AM
my dealer did-but said they are not available.
the cymbalpad was broken too and i waited a long time for a replacement too but then i gave it a shot and repaired it myself.
but as i said-i will probably buy 2 extra stands for the cymbals to prevent sympathetic triggering when i play the toms.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 07, 2009, 09:44:22 AM
Are you a hard hitter, or do you lack some luck with this 2Box kit?
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Dr.Wu on November 08, 2009, 10:03:23 AM
The cymbalstand broke off when i tried to unscrew the pad for examination. Its the material of the cymbal arms that is very weak.
The cable inside the pad was broken because of a manufacturing error. The metal block was applying pressure to one cable and in combination with hitting it it broke the cable after a while. I shortened the broken part and resoldered the rest-now its ok. Regarding the sympathetic crosstrigering-even my wife can hit the toms and hear additional cymbaltriggers-doesnt take a hard hitter. Its a problem of having all the pads connected to the same rack. I had that same problem with my former TD kit. If i set the threshold high enough to prevent that i cant play any soft dynamics on the cymbalpads.


Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 08, 2009, 10:07:43 AM
The cymbalstand broke off when i tried to unscrew the pad for examination. Its the material of the cymbal arms that is very weak.
The cable inside the pad was broken because of a manufacturing error. The metal block was applying pressure to one cable and in combination with hitting it it broke the cable after a while. I shortened the broken part and resoldered the rest-now its ok. Regarding the sympathetic crosstrigering-even my wife can hit the toms and hear additional cymbaltriggers-doesnt take a hard hitter. Its a problem of having all the pads connected to the same rack. I had that same problem with my former TD kit. If i set the threshold high enough to prevent that i cant play any soft dynamics on the cymbalpads.




O man I stlll hear more problems with the drumit five set, its real china poop if you ask me.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 08, 2009, 10:39:29 AM
If you read what you want to read: yes
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 08, 2009, 01:31:33 PM
If you read what you want to read: yes

heb jij dan ook zoveel problemen met je set puttenvr?
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Travis182 on November 08, 2009, 03:01:26 PM
The cymbalstand broke off when i tried to unscrew the pad for examination. Its the material of the cymbal arms that is very weak.
The cable inside the pad was broken because of a manufacturing error. The metal block was applying pressure to one cable and in combination with hitting it it broke the cable after a while. I shortened the broken part and resoldered the rest-now its ok. Regarding the sympathetic crosstrigering-even my wife can hit the toms and hear additional cymbaltriggers-doesnt take a hard hitter. Its a problem of having all the pads connected to the same rack. I had that same problem with my former TD kit. If i set the threshold high enough to prevent that i cant play any soft dynamics on the cymbalpads.

Roel go and buy a bad sounding way overpriced Roland kit if that's what you think. At least the 2box guys have been listening to their customers and trying to sort things out for the better unlike a major Corp who don't really give a crap about what their customers want and if you buy their kit. Look at the bigger picture rather than just being small minded and posting rubbish.




O man I stlll hear more problems with the drumit five set, its real china poop if you ask me.

Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 08, 2009, 03:27:14 PM
The cymbalstand broke off when i tried to unscrew the pad for examination. Its the material of the cymbal arms that is very weak.
The cable inside the pad was broken because of a manufacturing error. The metal block was applying pressure to one cable and in combination with hitting it it broke the cable after a while. I shortened the broken part and resoldered the rest-now its ok. Regarding the sympathetic crosstrigering-even my wife can hit the toms and hear additional cymbaltriggers-doesnt take a hard hitter. Its a problem of having all the pads connected to the same rack. I had that same problem with my former TD kit. If i set the threshold high enough to prevent that i cant play any soft dynamics on the cymbalpads.

Roel go and buy a bad sounding way overpriced Roland kit if that's what you think. At least the 2box guys have been listening to their customers and trying to sort things out for the better unlike a major Corp who don't really give a crap about what their customers want and if you buy their kit. Look at the bigger picture rather than just being small minded and posting rubbish.




I'am not a Roland Fan I've owned a roland td12 set, and was not happy with it.
I just hope that 2box will sort those problems out,because I want a set.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 08, 2009, 04:34:12 PM
If you read what you want to read: yes

heb jij dan ook zoveel problemen met je set puttenvr?


Nee, niet dus
Afkloppen
Maar die van mij doet het goed


PS: the quote function doesn't work properly
It includes your answer if u give one

Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Scottie on November 08, 2009, 05:30:42 PM
my dealer did-but said they are not available.
the cymbalpad was broken too and i waited a long time for a replacement too but then i gave it a shot and repaired it myself.
but as i said-i will probably buy 2 extra stands for the cymbals to prevent sympathetic triggering when i play the toms.

Hi Dr.Wu

If you remember from our last conversation about this, your dealer did not contact Hyperactive in Germany. I spoke with them and they knew nothing about your cymbal that didn't work, they had spare parts in stock that they would have got out straight away for you. If you need another cymbal arm, contact Hyperactive direct and they will be more then happy to help you.

With the trigger have you tweaked the gain settings?

Thanks
Scott
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Scottie on November 08, 2009, 05:34:29 PM
Roel have you tried the 2box rubber heads?

I've had rubber heads on my roland td6 and they make more noise than the meshheads.
So I think the rubber heads for the drumit five also.

Hi Roel

The rubber heads on the DrumIt Five will be different to the Roland pads.

Out of interest what have you heard about the kit to make it  "real china poop" in your opinion?
Have you had the chance to sit down and play the kit yourself yet?

Thanks
Scott
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 08, 2009, 07:22:46 PM
Roel have you tried the 2box rubber heads?

I've had rubber heads on my roland td6 and they make more noise than the meshheads.
So I think the rubber heads for the drumit five also.

Hi Roel

The rubber heads on the DrumIt Five will be different to the Roland pads.

Out of interest what have you heard about the kit to make it  "real china poop" in your opinion?
Have you had the chance to sit down and play the kit yourself yet?

Thanks
Scott

Hi Scottie,

Yes I have played the drumit five a couple of times at Feedback in Rotterdam.
I really like the sounds, The rack was a little bit unsteady, and the hihatstand is cheap also the hihat sensivity is not really that good.
The pads and kick are suberb they play fine,also the cymbals worked fine.
don't get me wrong I still want one.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Dr.Wu on November 08, 2009, 08:20:48 PM
my dealer did-but said they are not available.
the cymbalpad was broken too and i waited a long time for a replacement too but then i gave it a shot and repaired it myself.
but as i said-i will probably buy 2 extra stands for the cymbals to prevent sympathetic triggering when i play the toms.

Hi Dr.Wu

If you remember from our last conversation about this, your dealer did not contact Hyperactive in Germany. I spoke with them and they knew nothing about your cymbal that didn't work, they had spare parts in stock that they would have got out straight away for you. If you need another cymbal arm, contact Hyperactive direct and they will be more then happy to help you.

With the trigger have you tweaked the gain settings?

Thanks
Scott
maybe because he wasnt supposed to sell the unit.
i will contact him again for a replacement.
i tweaked all the settings but still get crosstriggering ebtween the toms and cymbals.
no big deal because i will buy extra stands anyways.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Scottie on November 08, 2009, 09:36:22 PM
my dealer did-but said they are not available.
the cymbalpad was broken too and i waited a long time for a replacement too but then i gave it a shot and repaired it myself.
but as i said-i will probably buy 2 extra stands for the cymbals to prevent sympathetic triggering when i play the toms.

Hi Dr.Wu

If you remember from our last conversation about this, your dealer did not contact Hyperactive in Germany. I spoke with them and they knew nothing about your cymbal that didn't work, they had spare parts in stock that they would have got out straight away for you. If you need another cymbal arm, contact Hyperactive direct and they will be more then happy to help you.

With the trigger have you tweaked the gain settings?

Thanks
Scott
maybe because he wasnt supposed to sell the unit.
i will contact him again for a replacement.
i tweaked all the settings but still get crosstriggering ebtween the toms and cymbals.
no big deal because i will buy extra stands anyways.

Dr Wu

The next shipment is going to hit soon, so i don't think it will be any trouble you contacting Hyperactive to get the replacements. At the end of the day you haven't done anything wrong buying the kit, it was the dealer who was not meant to sell it. You have spent your money buying the kit, and you should have these bits replaced under warranty.
With the cross triggering have you tried turning the gain down on either the toms or cymbals, and then just adjusting the levels?

Thanks
Scott
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Scottie on November 08, 2009, 09:50:28 PM
Roel have you tried the 2box rubber heads?

I've had rubber heads on my roland td6 and they make more noise than the meshheads.
So I think the rubber heads for the drumit five also.

Hi Roel

The rubber heads on the DrumIt Five will be different to the Roland pads.

Out of interest what have you heard about the kit to make it  "real china poop" in your opinion?
Have you had the chance to sit down and play the kit yourself yet?

Thanks
Scott

Hi Scottie,

Yes I have played the drumit five a couple of times at Feedback in Rotterdam.
I really like the sounds, The rack was a little bit unsteady, and the hihatstand is cheap also the hihat sensivity is not really that good.
The pads and kick are suberb they play fine,also the cymbals worked fine.
don't get me wrong I still want one.


Hi Roel

We have a new Hihat bracket coming with the next shipment which should make it a bit sturdier. If that still doesn't do the trick for you, then maybe using a tripod stand could be the solution.

With the Hihat did you adjust the sensitivity within the Unit?

When playing the kit did the stand effect your playing at all? For instance did it stop you playing a steady beat, or make you miss hit a pad?
Please dont take that question as me being sarcastic or anything like that, we just like to get all the different user feedback that we can  :)

Thanks
Scott
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 09, 2009, 06:12:22 AM
Quote

Hi Scottie,

Yes I have played the drumit five a couple of times at Feedback in Rotterdam.
I really like the sounds, The rack was a little bit unsteady, and the hihatstand is cheap also the hihat sensivity is not really that good.
The pads and kick are suberb they play fine,also the cymbals worked fine.
don't get me wrong I still want one.


So no China poop ...
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 09, 2009, 04:53:19 PM
So no China poop ...

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Iam curious how it plays after the first update 1.0, so for now we must be patient.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: spoenk on November 09, 2009, 05:11:44 PM
a friend recently tried my 2box and thought it sounded better than his td12 and played as good, i don't find the rackstand unsteady, i even like it that the tom pads move the way they do one reason for this being that this way not all the vibrations go straight to the floor i.e. the neighbours...i use another hihat stand though, which is really an upgrade...crosstalk is also not a problem...
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: drummer81 on November 16, 2009, 10:49:21 AM

i bought drum kit 2box and i'm very happy!!! ;D  

HI,i planned to get headphones within the next few days..my first opition was to get the http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-HD200-Headphones/dp/B00009QH77 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-HD200-Headphones/dp/B00009QH77)

or http://www.amazon.co.uk/Direct-Sound-EX-29-Isolation-Headphones/dp/B0002GZLY2/ref=pd_rhf_shvl_1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Direct-Sound-EX-29-Isolation-Headphones/dp/B0002GZLY2/ref=pd_rhf_shvl_1)
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 16, 2009, 01:19:59 PM
Hello!
At this point i would choose a TD12 kit without a second thougt. Yes..2box sounds better but that isnt much help when the triggering doesnt work. The hihat works like crap! the kick misstriggers. I never had any problems with my td12 or td20... i just didnt like the sound of it. If this os uppdate doesnt work i will sell the kit!
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 16, 2009, 04:11:55 PM
For me the 2Box triggers very good. Even the hihat behaves decently.
The hihat can be improved, but I wouldn't use words like CRAP or THE TRIGGERING DOESN'T WORK
That simply is not true
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 16, 2009, 04:36:52 PM
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: westerlu77 on November 16, 2009, 04:41:44 PM
I must ask about that fact that many people complain about the hihat and that it not work as it should. What is the problem and is it that the most of them has not calibrate it right? How much difference makes a real hihatstand to this issue? It will be really interesting to see when 1.0 comes and if it helps. Please comment that as soon as possbile. I'm not an owner to 2Box yet. In december I will get my kit:)
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 16, 2009, 04:49:50 PM
i have tried all the calibrating there is... i am using a ironcobra leverglide hihatstand.
the problems are: (for me anyway)
the hihat triggers loudly when i let go of the hihatpedal,
The hihat triggers very uneven in volume when struck repetedly with the same force.
it is near impossible to get halfopened sound.

a mix of these issues makes the hihat very, very poor to play
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: westerlu77 on November 16, 2009, 05:30:59 PM
But this type of problem must be gone I guess soon. If not Roland does have this type of problem I can't imagine that it not will be fixed soon, maybe already today with a software update.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 16, 2009, 05:37:20 PM
i realllly hope so to.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: melsbro on November 16, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
This is indeed something that sounds to me like a software problem. Not a problem with the hardware.
One of the neat things about this kit is that the software is easily update- and upgradable as I understand it, so this hi-hat problem doesn't really worry me.

According to the site, the update did change the hi-hat behaviour, so let's hope they fixed it already :).
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: drummer81 on November 18, 2009, 08:23:23 PM
My kit:2Box
Pedal:Pearl eliminator twin pedal
Throne:Mapex with backrest gibraltar
Headphones:Sony

:)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x64/stigmatizedgr/DSC00035.jpg)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x64/stigmatizedgr/DSC00038.jpg)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x64/stigmatizedgr/DSC00039.jpg)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x64/stigmatizedgr/DSC00040.jpg)
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 18, 2009, 08:45:14 PM
Nice carpet  :rock:
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 18, 2009, 09:20:36 PM
My kit:2Box
Pedal:Pearl eliminator twin pedal
Throne:Mapex with backrest gibraltar
Headphones:Sony

:)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x64/stigmatizedgr/DSC00035.jpg)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x64/stigmatizedgr/DSC00038.jpg)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x64/stigmatizedgr/DSC00039.jpg)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x64/stigmatizedgr/DSC00040.jpg)

great pictures I can't wait to get my 2box!
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Scottie on November 18, 2009, 09:36:30 PM
Nice one drummer81. Did you manage to update the Unit in the end?

Scott
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: TrommelTheo on November 21, 2009, 07:50:48 PM
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: melsbro on November 21, 2009, 10:14:26 PM
I agree TrommelTheo, Roland's present kits are just outdated imho. Doesn't really look like they were trying to make things better for a long time, allthough I think they will probably start doing that now.

@ drummer81: Nice pictures. How does playing with those double bass pedals feel on the kit?
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 22, 2009, 02:16:06 AM
I agree TrommelTheo, Roland's present kits are just outdated imho. Doesn't really look like they were trying to make things better for a long time, allthough I think they will probably start doing that now.

@ drummer81: Nice pictures. How does playing with those double bass pedals feel on the kit?

strange that he has only changed the bassdrumpedal to a double,why not using another hihatstand?
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 22, 2009, 08:05:42 AM
The technique on the Roland kits is NOT outdated at all. It's a best of both worlds between sampling and synth technique: modeling.
The point is that the Roland sounds are bad (esp the toms), their dynamics lame and the kits way, way overprized
But their technique is good
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 22, 2009, 09:58:58 AM
The technique on the Roland kits is NOT outdated at all. It's a best of both worlds between sampling and synth technique: modeling.
The point is that the Roland sounds are bad (esp the toms), their dynamics lame and the kits way, way overprized
But their technique is good

thats right what you are saying, but if I buy a roland set for about 6000 euro, and  I can not put samples in my drummodule I think thats a shame...roland makes real progression with the hardware but I think they must concentrate about sample functioning on the new modules.and not staying with that modeling technique. because I think a cheap roland td4 sounds almost the same as the expensive td20.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Calimero on November 22, 2009, 10:31:21 AM
Roland doesn't offer only 6000 euro sets.There is the td4 which has a fair price.Roland has never announced anything about loading in your own samples so that isn't something you can hold against them.2box has done that 2 or 3 years ago yet they havent cut it either.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 22, 2009, 11:07:06 AM
Roland doesn't offer only 6000 euro sets.There is the td4 which has a fair price.Roland has never announced anything about loading in your own samples so that isn't something you can hold against them.2box has done that 2 or 3 years ago yet they havent cut it either.


I know that roland offers cheaper sets.thats not my point. I don't like that they are stick with the modelling sounds.they always sounds the same and bad dynamics...
2box gives us an open drumsystem , with real samples and good dynamics.
but the most inportant thing about 2box they really try to make it the way, we want it and all for a fair price.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 22, 2009, 11:28:17 AM
I think you nailed it Roel.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Calimero on November 22, 2009, 11:43:56 AM
Roland doesn't offer only 6000 euro sets.There is the td4 which has a fair price.Roland has never announced anything about loading in your own samples so that isn't something you can hold against them.2box has done that 2 or 3 years ago yet they havent cut it either.


I know that roland offers cheaper sets.thats not my point. I don't like that they are stick with the modelling sounds.they always sounds the same and bad dynamics...
2box gives us an open drumsystem , with real samples and good dynamics.
but the most inportant thing about 2box they really try to make it the way, we want it and all for a fair price.

yet not so long ago you called it china poop  ???
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 22, 2009, 11:57:30 AM
I think that the 2box rack sucks and also the hihatstand.I've played a couple of times on it and those 2 are my negative points. a realy like the pads and cymbals, and sounds ofcourse!
so maby we can mount it to a roland td12 mds stand.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Dr.Wu on November 22, 2009, 12:20:40 PM
The technique on the Roland kits is NOT outdated at all. It's a best of both worlds between sampling and synth technique: modeling.
The point is that the Roland sounds are bad (esp the toms), their dynamics lame and the kits way, way overprized
But their technique is good

thats right what you are saying, but if I buy a roland set for about 6000 euro, and  I can not put samples in my drummodule I think thats a shame...roland makes real progression with the hardware but I think they must concentrate about sample functioning on the new modules.and not staying with that modeling technique. because I think a cheap roland td4 sounds almost the same as the expensive td20.
Sorry but that is not true. The TD20 sounds totally different from the TD-4.
You may not like their general choice of basic samples but the amount of things that you can do to a sample in the TD20 is lightyears ahead from what you can do with a TD-4 or a 2box for that matter. Think onboard DSP to compress each sound independently, EQ it or run it thru a reverb processor etc or what about positional sensing for snare f.e. or the fact that you can play sidestick by using the regular sidestick technique. Or what about playing with brushes.
In that regard the TD20 is still the top product. Is it worth 6000 euro? Not for an amateur like me but probably for drummers that work professionally and have that kind of budget.
Sure it would be nice to load your own samples -hey that was one of the reasons i bought the 2box. Lets hope they will deliver this core feature asap!
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 22, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
Td20 may have all those features and still sound bad.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: icesurf3r on November 22, 2009, 03:41:16 PM
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Calimero on November 22, 2009, 04:35:47 PM
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 22, 2009, 05:05:13 PM
The latter simply is not true.
Nobody had to struggle for weeks in order to get it work.
The system isn't perfect but the Roland td10 was perfect neither when I bought it 10 years ago
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 22, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
I'm not surprised 2box has to smooth out a few wrinkles. That is expected when you're the one trying to kick the whole edrum thing up a notch.

Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 22, 2009, 05:55:11 PM
 Look I am grateful to you guy's that bought the kit when it was first released. It showed you had faith in the company and you had done your homework, but you had to expect a few rubs along the way. I expect all these small problems will be worked out by the time it becomes available to us here in the states. It was a dirty job but someone had to do it.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 22, 2009, 06:43:53 PM
there no machine gunning effects on the roland td12-20 kits, have you even tried it?, or are you talking about some cheaper kit? they call it Interval Control, and works flawless! also, roland kits does not sound bad, just to "perfect" to make it completly realistic.
the roland kits work exactly as they should and the 2box dont. I know that the 2box kit has great potential but its obvious that they are just not there yet!, so please..stop talking about how great the kit is in present tense, and refer to it in future (tense). The kit, at this point just doesnt work as it should, and im sure that the 2box team would agree.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: HM on November 22, 2009, 08:43:59 PM
I don't think it's very fair to compare the 2box with a Roland model that costs 1000 euros more. I don't find it very surprising that a more expensive e-drumset does something better than the cheaper one.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 22, 2009, 08:50:00 PM
ok... so you think its ok to have a "semiworking" drumkit because you payed less? dont forgett that we are still talking about 2000euro.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: westerlu77 on November 22, 2009, 09:27:59 PM
Come on Micke! If you complain all the time, why don't you sell it right now! I don't think any product in the world will satisfy all drummers.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 22, 2009, 09:32:12 PM
Come on Micke! If you complain all the time, why don't you sell it right now! I don't think any product in the world will satisfy all drummers.

yes man go buy you a roland set and loose the 2box.you don't have faith in the 2box drum-it five!
they are still working on a great product it you ask me! sure not all of the hardware is great but at least give them a chance...
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 22, 2009, 10:35:29 PM
ok,
Firstly, I thought this was a forum, not a 2box tribute site. In a forum you discuss perks and cons of a product. In my case, since i have been having problems i've been complaining. the topic here is "2box or roland td-12", right? That is a question as far as i know... my answer to that question is pretty obvious by now.
I said erlier that i do think that this is a potentional great product but its not there yet, that to me means that i do have faith in the kit, i just dont feel like waiting, i want to play and record drums!

Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: westerlu77 on November 22, 2009, 11:11:52 PM
What I mean is that you talking all the time about selling the drums! Stop wasting your time on 2Box I should say! When you describe that you don't have time to wait for improvements from 2Box, the bad drums and so on, I think you have answered your question yourself.
What you need to know is that advanced products has almost always child-disease in some way.
If you want to play and record drums, I should say that it not so smart to buy a totally new product..
I'm pretty sure that Roland had some problems with different things when they released V-drums?

Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 23, 2009, 12:25:15 AM
Micke if your satisfied with that Roland sound go for it.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 23, 2009, 06:19:21 AM
ok,
Firstly, I thought this was a forum, not a 2box tribute site. In a forum you discuss perks and cons of a product. In my case, since i have been having problems i've been complaining. the topic here is "2box or roland td-12", right? That is a question as far as i know... my answer to that question is pretty obvious by now.
I said erlier that i do think that this is a potentional great product but its not there yet, that to me means that i do have faith in the kit, i just dont feel like waiting, i want to play and record drums!



nobody wants to wait,this is a completely new product.and they are a small company so we must give them some time.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: icesurf3r on November 23, 2009, 08:05:31 AM
there no machine gunning effects on the roland td12-20 kits, have you even tried it?

If I hadn't tried it I wouldn't have posted the comment, and by tried it I don't mean a quick half hour bash on a showroom floor either.  Some of my best friends who are semi professional percusionists own these drum kits, and they agree about machine gunning even with interval control. Plus if you take the time to read over on the vdrum forum, even owners there talk about machine gunning on their td12 - td20 kits.

So unfortunately, from my own experience, the experience of other percusionists and the experience of td12 & td20 owners on the vdrum forum, we're going to have to disagree with you on that one.

As for the problems, I would expect any new MAJOR product in the electronic world to have some teething difficulties this early in the product lifecycle. As has been mentioned even v-drums had their share of teething problems when they were fresh on the scene, and probably yamaha did too.  The main thing with 2-box is we have 2 great guys on the forum, Scottie and UC who are taking all our little niggles and newly discovered irregularities with this kit, relaying them to Bengt, who is taking it all on board and working on fixes for them.

Now that to me is great product support, and from the problems Scottie has sorted out hardware wise, great customer support too.

All I can say is keep up the good work guys.

Micke, at the end of the day it's your choice over the kit. Everyone is different.  Someone very wise once said something like "You can please some of the people all the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the time!!"

So if the TD-12 is what does it for you then go for it, I do know that roland are very good midi triggers.  ;D

Apologies for the long post guys!!!  ::)
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 23, 2009, 09:00:06 AM
if i get you right: if you buy a newly developed product you should expect problems. If that was the case, i feel sorry for the people sitting in a eg. brand new car or bought them selves a new burgler alarm.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Dr.Wu on November 23, 2009, 09:12:51 AM
if i was expecting problems i surely wouldnt have bought it.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: westerlu77 on November 23, 2009, 09:31:46 AM
My advice is:Stop wasting time on 2Box if you not satisfied with them. 
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 23, 2009, 10:00:01 AM
i sold them 2 days ago, I was still trying to answer the question "2box or roland td-12". i guess i have to motivate my answer, witch i did
so if i prefer roland, let me say that!
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 23, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
Micke while your over there say hi to Amonlyin and Jmam for me.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 23, 2009, 11:20:03 AM
??
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 23, 2009, 11:22:21 AM
if i was expecting problems i surely wouldnt have bought it.
And is that why you didn't.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 23, 2009, 11:23:32 AM
did what?
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Scottie on November 23, 2009, 11:40:43 AM
i sold them 2 days ago, I was still trying to answer the question "2box or roland td-12". i guess i have to motivate my answer, witch i did
so if i prefer roland, let me say that!

Hi Micke

Did you sell your kit two days ago? That went quick. At least you can now get something that fits your preference.
It's a shame that the kit couldn't fulfill your needs at this time, and i wish that you could have held on to it a little longer...

I was going to ask if you could send me an email with a recording of the problems you were having in the studio the other day with your band? Would be interested to hear the issues first hand.
I will send you a PM with my email address.

Icesurf3r: Thanks for the kind words. We want 2box to be an open company, that lets users know we are listening to them, and appreciate the feedback they give us  ;D

Thanks
Scott

Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Dr.Wu on November 23, 2009, 11:41:25 AM
if i was expecting problems i surely wouldnt have bought it.
And is that why you didn't.

but i did
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 23, 2009, 12:31:56 PM
Wu, I thought you had a set on loan and having problems.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: micke on November 23, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
i sold them 2 days ago, I was still trying to answer the question "2box or roland td-12". i guess i have to motivate my answer, witch i did
so if i prefer roland, let me say that!

Hi Micke

Did you sell your kit two days ago? That went quick. At least you can now get something that fits your preference.
It's a shame that the kit couldn't fulfill your needs at this time, and i wish that you could have held on to it a little longer...

I was going to ask if you could send me an email with a recording of the problems you were having in the studio the other day with your band? Would be interested to hear the issues first hand.
I will send you a PM with my email address.

Icesurf3r: Thanks for the kind words. We want 2box to be an open company, that lets users know we are listening to them, and appreciate the feedback they give us  ;D

Thanks
Scott


hi Scottie
Dont get me wrong. I am sure that all you guys are doing your best, and working your fingers to the bone, but since the kit didnt work for me i had no use for it. I will miss the great feel and sound of the snare and toms though. tanks also for all your help. I hope you can make this the best e-kit in the world, and when you do i will brobably get it (again)
By the way... what could you make out of the other recordings i sent you a while back? (the kickdrum ones)
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Dr.Wu on November 23, 2009, 01:48:57 PM
Wu, I thought you had a set on loan and having problems.
well-every loan is timelimited and eventually i had to make up my mind.
when 1.0 was announced i took the plunge.
Only to find that i couldnt update because i am on a mac.
i guess Murphy is my middlename......
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 23, 2009, 01:50:44 PM
there no machine gunning effects on the roland td12-20 kits,

Please listen to this
http://www.rolandmusik.de/demos/videos/TD-20/Demo_Dirk_Brand.mov

it's full of machine gunning
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: wbrs on November 23, 2009, 02:27:29 PM
Wu, I thought you had a set on loan and having problems.
well-every loan is timelimited and eventually i had to make up my mind.
when 1.0 was announced i took the plunge.
Only to find that i couldnt update because i am on a mac.
i guess Murphy is my middlename......
Yea I know what you mean there always seems to be some unforseen incompatibility issue lurking around the corner waiting to trip us up. But good luck getting things sussed.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: NeilC on November 23, 2009, 02:56:18 PM
there no machine gunning effects on the roland td12-20 kits,

Please listen to this
http://www.rolandmusik.de/demos/videos/TD-20/index.html
it's full of machine gunning

That is not a very pleasant sound!
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 23, 2009, 04:50:31 PM
there no machine gunning effects on the roland td12-20 kits,

Please listen to this
http://www.rolandmusik.de/demos/videos/TD-20/Demo_Dirk_Brand.mov

it's full of machine gunning

horrible sounds thats 1 reason that I've sold my roland td12.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: TrommelTheo on November 23, 2009, 05:58:50 PM
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on November 23, 2009, 06:27:34 PM
Better recording but still the lame sound with machine gunning
Listen to all the rolls he plays
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Calimero on November 23, 2009, 06:29:10 PM
let's look at today,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wTcHCaI4Bw
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Dr.Wu on November 23, 2009, 08:28:42 PM
Johnny Raab is such a killer drummer.
 :animal:
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: UC on November 23, 2009, 08:42:32 PM
Johnny Raab is such a killer drummer.
 :animal:


Jonny Rabb makes me cry. I bet he could make one of these (http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5400148/Trail/searchtext%3EDRUM.htm) sound good.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on November 23, 2009, 09:05:59 PM
i sold them 2 days ago, I was still trying to answer the question "2box or roland td-12". i guess i have to motivate my answer, witch i did
so if i prefer roland, let me say that!

shame and I am still a long time waithing to get my 2box I can't wait !!!!
almost december :rock: yeaah baby!
I wanna say to you guys you've did a good job with this 2box forum I loving it!
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Calimero on November 23, 2009, 10:28:43 PM
If you don't want to wait anymore,you might want to check ebay.de
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on December 02, 2009, 06:34:48 PM
let's look at today,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wTcHCaI4Bw

6000 euro's!!! or 3 2boxes!!! :rock:
almost second delivery time can't wait.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: Remi on December 02, 2009, 07:03:12 PM
let's look at today,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wTcHCaI4Bw

6000 euro's!!! or 3 2boxes!!! :rock:
almost second delivery time can't wait.

Don't forget, You get a lot of steel for it  ;D
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: TrommelTheo on December 03, 2009, 08:00:41 AM
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: rythm on December 03, 2009, 08:08:31 PM
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: puttenvr on December 04, 2009, 06:07:14 AM
Hi

Webfox did. I translated his German review somewhere on this forum but at this moment I can't find it.

The problemen with vdrums is the processed sounds. If you run them through a PA they start to sound plastic since the sound system adds a colour to something that is already coloured. With the ddrums and 2box sets the sounds are unprocessed and they get their final colour on the sound system. Like with acoustic drums.
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: roel on December 14, 2009, 05:20:21 PM
Micke while your over there say hi to Amonlyin and Jmam for me.

lol :rock:
Title: Re: 2box or roland td-12
Post by: UC on December 18, 2009, 11:37:39 PM
sorry to get heavy handed but this thread was getting silly. Please feel free to PM me if you're angry about your post getting axed, but let's try not to troll eh?