http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r_6IjgdasJo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DkqpYehBoGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQEMAt0nEVE&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEjfwQbZN5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QrlQviLHOU&context=C38684c8ADOEgsToPDskJ2UzUl0z0MamSOb1Wb5UgG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mhgRfxRcPk
- More of the same
- Still no samples
- No open system
- Must be expensive
- Although the sounds appear to be a little better. Drums solo can be heard in the videos 3, 4, 5 and 6. The first 2 videos are too noisy with music
Quote from: puttenvr on March 29, 2011, 05:10:29 AM
What's the use of this topic?
On vdrums.com they dream about a td-30 with samples, since 5 years
So useless ...
Let's focus on improvements for the drumit 5
It's an open system, remember?
ok ok , still no samples ...
so lets reconsider drumit6 for next year .... if Mayas are wrong naturally ;)
Yeah, there is nothing an edrummer would be overly excited about. Alesis came out with DM Dock, which is interesting and probably the only product on this winter NAMM I'm interested in, Roland released TD30 drum module only Jman will be able to afford (if he stops spending money on SD cards) and absolutely nothing new from Yamaha.
Quote from: GenuineHuman on January 19, 2012, 07:40:29 PM
....Roland released TD30 drum module only Jman will be able to afford (if he stops spending money on SD cards)
:):):) lol
he is there , so we will have his opinion soon ....
:) I know. Can't wait to read his report.
Well, I checked out the links puttenvr posted. I'm not blown away by the sounds. Sounds a bit too processed. It definetly looks nice, but out of my budget and I tend to ignore stuff that's too expensive for my pocket.
... the toms sounds are still unnatural ... the 2BOX ones are way better ... and paying 7000€ just to be able to bend the tom sound with the stick ;););)
but it s a nice sturdy pro" flagship " kit for those who feel more confident when they spend the price of a car on an instrument ....
... another niche ! :)
Quote from: puttenvr on January 19, 2012, 07:20:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQEMAt0nEVE&feature=player_embedded
i allways love those endorsed artist with their "waouw!" , "fantaaaastic" , "unbeatable" !!! "perfect "!!!!
those are phenomenal ............... D-I-C-K S-U-C-K-E-R-S !!!!!! Waouw !!! ;););););)
Des suces boules ! like we use to say in french :D
Like I said on V-drums, seems like 2box will remain the king for people who wants to use VST's sample in their module.
Still curious about the offer but out of my price range and even more important I would feel bad to spend so much on a E-Drum.
Did I mention I hate Roland ?
Quote from: SHwoKing on January 19, 2012, 08:20:36 PM
Des suces boules ! like we use to say in french :D
oui des vrais suceurs de boule !!! on dit aussi leche cul !!!
moi j aime bien le hardware roland tout de meme .... a condition de trouver ca pas cher , c est du matos solide et fiable ....
Quote from: edtc on January 19, 2012, 07:30:14 PM
ok ok , still no samples ...
so lets reconsider drumit6 for next year .... if Mayas are wrong naturally ;)
why reconsider drumit 6? We have the great 2box Drumit 5 set.
I used to have a drum kit sounded like this -
my dad made it for me out of cardboard boxes and biscuit tins when I was
five years old :'(
Quote from: roel on January 19, 2012, 08:46:09 PM
why reconsider drumit 6? We have the great 2box Drumit 5 set.
it was mostly a joke , but products have to evolve , and also we know the drumit five is mostly limited by its CPU power.... having a higher level module in the future dont mean that you ll have to throw yours in the garbage .... drumit5 is fine that s not the point
2box could have the 5 and also a flagship and a SPD like module in their line ... there are many needs and budgets ....
Sure some people would be happy to spend 500 more € for a module more tweakable with more IN/OUTs , fast usb with midi abilities ,96khz converters , less latency , EQ on each channel , positionnal sensing for 2 snare inputs , and maybe one onboard SD + one external SD slot ...
.... i m not asking a Roland like rocketship with ultrasupermegagigaNatural features and price ... ;)
I wonder why people are not discussing about this new Roland product as well :
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm-2012-new-roland-fr-1x-compact-v-accordions-524701 (http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm-2012-new-roland-fr-1x-compact-v-accordions-524701)
For french people, this is as huge as a new Roland's flagship TD30 ;D
Accordeon sounds better than the drums
Quote from: SHwoKing on January 20, 2012, 08:09:43 AM
I wonder why people are not discussing about this new Roland product as well :
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm-2012-new-roland-fr-1x-compact-v-accordions-524701 (http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm-2012-new-roland-fr-1x-compact-v-accordions-524701)
For french people, this is as huge as a new Roland's flagship TD30 ;D
.... Roland devrait endorser Gilou de LicenceIV ;) "crévindiou ! ca c est un accordéon qui envoie de la godasse!!!"
Gosh they should stop having Thomas Lang doing demos for them; that guy can even make an acoustic drum machine gun lol
Ther's improvements on the kit, but the toms are still not sounding good played fast. You can clearly hear that in Tempesta's part
I didn't really notice this thread till now. I made a comment about the TD-30KV in this thread (page 2):
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,1197.15.html
Like I said there, the triggering is excellent, I expected that, especially when I had heard there were more improvements on how the drums and Hi Hat and cymbals respond to stick work ... the Ambience slider with changes you can make in Room, Overhead mics and Reverb bring a big change in the sound ... even on the fly.
And the sounds are improved over the previous model ... IMO
I could see reasons people would want it.... and wouldn't try to talk people into one direction over another .... (unless 2Box endorsed me that is ;) ;) ;D)
Wink wink, hint hint.... ::)
For me:
All that said, at the end of the day when I play the VST quality sounds from my 2Box setup ..... and then compare that to not only the new Rollie stuff, but the other stand alone drum modules/kits at NAMM .... I'm stickin with what I have! This 2Box unit doesn't brew coffee, or answer the doorbell, it doesn't turn my lights on when I clap my hands .... but it is one powerful unit, beautiful simplicity IMO .... J
Quote from: Jman on January 24, 2012, 03:05:42 AM
This 2Box unit doesn't brew coffee, or answer the doorbell, it doesn't turn my lights on when I clap my hands .... but it is one powerful unit, beautiful simplicity IMO .... J
Apologies Jerry, all other 2Box modules do all that as well, FedEx must have dropped your package when we sent it! ;)
While I am sure the TD-30 it is an awesome piece of technology and will be the most responsive kit on the market, Roland already appear very defensive about the TD-30 having picked up on comments made on forums by myself an others.
I am not commenting further until I have given it a proper demo, but I would put money on my two main points of issue not changing, even as good as it might / will be.
Quote from: Slap the drummer on January 19, 2012, 08:56:22 PM
I used to have a drum kit sounded like this -
my dad made it for me out of cardboard boxes and biscuit tins when I was
five years old :'(
..... another reason this old kit was like a roland:-
I kept saying, "Dad, this kit don't sound so good". And he kept saying, "Shut up son, that's
the best thing money can buy!".
Boom boom.
Also, he tried to put a patent on the idea of turning a biscuit tin upside down and hitting it.
I'm owned a td20 for about 6 years ( comme je suis content de l'avoir vendu avant la sortie du td30)
and i always enjoyed the playability of the kit; pos. sensing, the bury the beater thing, and the modeling capabilities. But at the end of the day, i still didn't like the sound i was getting, especially when playing fills on the toms...
It sounds like the new kit have more different velocity layers, but still they should have put interval control or whatever they call it on all the kit.
Also the snare sounds really good, but it makes ur roll sounds better than in real life. I mean even if you are a bit sloppy it will still sound so even
Quote from: GenuineHuman on January 19, 2012, 07:40:29 PM
Yeah, there is nothing an edrummer would be overly excited about. Alesis came out with DM Dock, which is interesting and probably the only product on this winter NAMM I'm interested in, Roland released TD30 drum module only Jman will be able to afford (if he stops spending money on SD cards) and absolutely nothing new from Yamaha.
Whatcha talkin bout ... ??? I can't even afford another VST expansion pack let alone that new module after all the SD cards I bought for testing .... ;D
That's a bummer! Maybe you can rent them, or something. It's not like you'll be the first one, really. :D You can then tell us if this slick business model works. This information would be valuable for quite a few forum members (not as valuable as to you, though). :D
The DM Dock is pretty interesting ... it is something that is actually looking ahead so to speak .... IE, they know it has more potential as the newer, more powerful Ipads come out. According to Rich who I talked to at Alesis, there is or are VST companies showing interest in developing for it. and if it could use small footprint programs like BFD Eco, and Addictive Drums ... maybe it won't take that much memory to run it....
So it is kind of putting the cart before the horse .... maybe a gamble .... but maybe a gamble that will pay off. Prolly not nice to bring up the fact that the Alesis DM10 was supposed to be a module that you could customize with VST add on packs .... Alesis had one crappy pack that came out .... the end, game Over ... So, time will tell on this new DM Dock.
Damn insomnia.
Completely new products are always a gamble. It would definetly be more reliable if the actual sound processing would be going on inside the Dock and Ipad is just for controlling this whole process and for additional features such as recording, saving and playing tracks, drum tutor, drum notes / tabs etc. You don't really need much CPU power for this. But I'm pretty much sure that's not the case with DM Dock.
Time will tell. But they are definetly pushing other e-drums developers to consider this option as well.
Quote from: GenuineHuman on January 25, 2012, 01:26:49 AM
Damn insomnia.
It would definetly be more reliable if the actual sound processing would be going on inside the Dock and Ipad is just for controlling this whole process and for additional features such as recording, saving and playing tracks, drum tutor, drum notes / tabs etc. You don't really need much CPU power for this. But I'm pretty much sure that's not the case with DM Dock.
i agree.... the new mackie mixer uses this concept ...
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,1199.msg11534.html#msg11534
A few years ago, I purchased a Roland TD-12 and some toms and cymbals upgrades: nice set.
I bought a few VT banks for it, that worked quite good.
But I did pay much, much more for that thing than for the entiere 2Box set.
Anyway, I had to sell it after I broke my wrist badly in a quad accident (couldn't play for more than a year!).
Fortunately, I don't miss it anymore, now that I have my orange / aluminum setup ;)
As for the DM Dock: my wife which has her own little sound studio with many synthesizers, keyboards and 19" rack modules was interested in the IO Dock for her iPad 2. Well, the IO Dock is quite nice but not that sturdy, plastic only, I suppose that the DM Dock will be the same.
Well, I'm now spoiled by 2Box and can't stand plastic anymore 8)
(let's say some positive things about vdrums)
I think the snare, ride and hihat-triggering is on a higher level than with 2Box.
And the kit looks good. In a way
I'd definetly buy Roland instead of 2Box .... if I'd get more for my money there. I like Yamaha pads the most and I'm sure this new Roland pads are excellent as well. I wouldn't mind having it. In my opinion they are overall better than 2Box. But look at the price, just shy of 7,000 euros for KV model and 4,000 euros for K model. That's just too much for my pocket. Maybe someday, but someday 2Box will come out with something new and better too.
Quote from: puttenvr on January 30, 2012, 04:56:15 PM
(let's say some positive things about vdrums)
I think the snare, ride and hihat-triggering is on a higher level than with 2Box.
And the kit looks good. In a way
Yip I always like the triggering of the hihat and ride by Roland V-Drums.
Quote from: puttenvr on January 30, 2012, 04:56:15 PM
I think the snare, ride and hihat-triggering is on a higher level than with 2Box.
Which is what 90% of drummers care about.... funnily enough, many complain the roland toms "machine-gun" as hell.....
Yep, their toms is the big problem. They are over-prosessed and make a 7,000 dollar kit sounding plastic.
As well as some other drawbacks, which I mentioned earlier and drove me to ddrum/2Box.
It's true that the Roland VH-11 hihat I had felt better, but the snare and toms on the 2Box are definitely superior in my opinion.
But then again, the 2Box cymbals in general are not bad at all according to several reviews in e-drum magazines.
Well: it's also a matter of personal feeling I guess.
Hi E-Gang,
just wanted to share some more TD-30 demos:
http://www.roland.com/video/page.cfm?id=88527263002
..not too bad... :rock:
PB
Quote from: Peter Beater on February 24, 2012, 05:08:43 PM
Hi E-Gang,
just wanted to share some more TD-30 demos:
http://www.roland.com/video/page.cfm?id=88527263002
..not too bad... :rock:
PB
No its not that bad, but for that price of that set you have almost 3 2box sets.
wow great drumming
Yes, Dirk is awesome! I know him for over 30 years, since my first Drum-lesson, and made many things with him together (music-school). He is really great guy, looks better than me, playing drums better than me... life is not fair *lol* (Ok, i can bette sing ;D).
Theo
Nice drumming. But unfortunately still the same plastic sound.
Got to try one at a local music store. Ok wow, the hihat really is amazing, the ride triggers flawlessly as do the other cymbals, much better than 2Box IMO.
The sounds still don't cut it...out of the box anyway, I didn't tweak it or anything other than playing with the ambience fader.. In fact I'm surprised Roland can still put this out as acceptable when there is something else so much better in that regard.
When you've been playing 2Box, there is just no going back. Plus of course the Rolands cost a lot!
Sorry, not a big review, just first impressions.
Hello guys,
I'm new on this forum, so nice to meet you. :)
I switched my TD-20X module to a 2Box one.
Explanations: I loved my TD-20X and I was waiting so much for the TD-30 to have even better sounds and playability (Roland's strengh to me).
BUT, I tried the TD-30 and I was VERY disappointed by the sounds... It's exactly the same technology as the TD-20X, they just renamed it. News is in the expressiveness but not in sounds!
The evidence is that all TD-20X settings are fully compatible with the TD-30 as the modeling technic is the same.
So, I decided to get a 2Box module and wow the sounds are great (the worst 2Box ones equal the best ones of Roland when very well tweaked IMO). I just have now to replace my ride (a CY-15R) and the hi-hat (VH-12) with 2Box ones to get a good playability and I'm gonna resell my TD-20X.
I keep my Roland pads as I love the feeling and their head are strictly indestructible.
To sum up, I'm fed up with Roland sounds now, it's time to have real ones, and 2Box is now getting better and better on settings (not as rich as Roland though).
My 2 cents.
Quote from: Drumaster on May 13, 2012, 02:20:52 PM
Hello guys,
I just have now to replace my ride (a CY-15R) and the hi-hat (VH-12) with 2Bow ones to get a good playability and I'm gonna resell my TD-20X.
I keep my Roland pads as I love the feeling and their head are strictly indestructible.
T
welcome here !!
for sure you ll have to sell your hihat , but for the ride , it s worse the try to keep it , and to see if you like it with the 2BOX module....
there are 2 new modes : CYcup and CYedge .... you l l be able to have the bell sound and bow , but without edge sound or choke , or in CYedge mode , bow + edge and choke
and i agree , PDX-8 are great with the module ;;; no hot spot ( side sensor like 2box pads) and wonderfull mesh head!
Also there is an other option , use any 2 zone cymbal with Manfred s board . It s a circuit designed by someone from this forum , that emulates the 2 box magnetic system with any other brand cymbal...CY-5 is great ....
While it would be cost affective to sell the VH-11, because they are pretty spendy.... with Manfred's controller box the VH-11 could be used. Since there are 2 parts to the VH-11, the controller base and the actual Hi Hat cymbal, you would only use the Hi Hat cymbal with Manfred's controller. Manfred's controller box solution and magnet would replace the function of the controller base of the VH-11 and make it usable with the 2Box module.
Thanks guys.
I know about manfred's box but not sure about buying something I did not try before... And I don't know wich magnet I have to buy, even after reading all the posts... Seems too complicated to me lol.
About the ride, I tried CYedge and that's what I prefer (because I don't want a bell on the bow like in Crash14 mode), but no bell on bell zone and it's a shame. And manfred's box offers bell but no choke... So either I keep my CY-15R without bell or I buy a 2Box one. Besides, I hears that having manfred's box is not so easy with a hi-hat stand without a plate as the pedal moves a little while playing. Even with a plate it's not always perfect, right?
Quote from: Drumaster on May 13, 2012, 10:42:12 PM
So either I keep my CY-15R without bell or I buy a 2Box one.
try CYcup mode , and dont forget to plug the jack on BELL/BOW ... like this you ll get clean separate bell sound , and no bell on the bow or edge .... but also no choke and edge sound....
Quote from: Drumaster on May 13, 2012, 10:42:12 PM
Thanks guys.
. And manfred's box offers bell but no choke...
Manfred s box is for HIHAT , and HIHAT has no bell on 2box modules
Quote from: Drumaster on May 13, 2012, 10:42:12 PM
Besides, I hears that having manfred's box is not so easy with a hi-hat stand without a plate as the pedal moves a little while playing. Even with a plate it's not always perfect, right?
no , with a plate it s allright .....
I use a very regular magnet found in a supermarket .... it s not so strong but it works ..... IMO any magnet will work , as there is a calibration process .... JMAN bought his on the internet , and he is happy with his over-ultra-strong magnets ;) well he was happier after he achieved to separate them ( cause he bougt 4 of them :) )
but if you feel more confident with a non DIY gear , go for a second hand hihat ... sure B.A. has one to sell , he allways needs money to buy "medecine" to cure his G.A. syndrom .... ;)
Yeah sorry for the confusion about Manfred's box, it's for hi-hat yes. :p
About ride, I will try Cycup but I think I prefer to keep edge sound + choke than clean separate bell without choke and edge, as I use it as a crash/ride too (too strange not to have sound on edge!).
About hi-hat, as I don't plan to buy another hi-hat stand with plate, I think I will choose a 2Box hi-hat cymbal (not too bad as far as I heard).
About ride, just in case I would like to have full expressiveness: is 2Box one a good cymbal? I'm thinking of buying it as I know 2Box cymbals to be heavy but for a ride I think it's a good thing, isn't it? Is it solid like a Roland (I sometimes hear that 2Box cymbals are thin and that the edge become damaged with time, is it true? Roland's one are very solid by the way.
2Box Hi Hat is fine by me.
What I especially like is very sensitive edge and 360° trigger so you can play confortable with both hands (I tend to play at a different spot with the left hand). The magnet system is simple but works pretty well and it is very easy to calibrate.
What I dislike is that the attachement system to the stand is totally locking the hat movement unlike IE a Yamaha RHH 135. So even in open position, the hat is not waving while hit.
12" is also a bit tiny for my liking, a 13" would have been perfect.
And there's some crosstalk issue when you open the hat brutally and let your pedal go upward totally.
2Box cymbal is also fine as a ride, bell is pretty big en trigger quiet well. Again 360° trigger and sensitive edge. As for durability, I only use one as a crash for 3 months now and it is still going strong. I'm no hard hitter with an E-Kit though and I tend to hit my cymbal everytime with a wrist swing like I do with Acoustic Cymbal.
Thanks SHwoKing for this feedback!
I did NOT know that 2Box cymbals were 360°, it's amazing! I tend to hit a different area too with left hand on hi-hat.
That definitely convinces me to buy a 2Box ride and hi-hat.
It's a shame that the hi-hat can't move enough when hitting it due to the fixation yes, but anyway I fixed very tightly my VH-12 anyway, so it did not move very much.
So, I'm gonna sell my VH-12 and my CY-15R!
Just my 2 cent .... check SHwoKing's rewiew on AtoE cymbal conversion ....
Jmans conversion or other "real cymbal based " with edge switch + piezo located under the bell are IMO superior to rubber E-cymbals , included 2BOX ones .... Especially for Ride purpose ... For crashes , rubber ones are better (IMO again ...)
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,1300.msg12481.html#msg12481
Superior also is the noise of those cymbals .... but the playing feedback and rebound is so cool ...
I guess some ALESIS surge models ( the 3zone ride) have one piezo is located under the bell , so perfect for a 2BOX module ...
Yes, the best choice for a ride is A to E conversion. But that really depends on how much noise you can do. This and if you play with headphones. Because if you play with an amp, you'll hear the sticks quiet a lot especially when hitting the bell.
Quote from: Drumaster on May 13, 2012, 02:20:52 PM
Hello guys,
BUT, I tried the TD-30 and I was VERY disappointed by the sounds... It's exactly the same technology as the TD-20X, they just renamed it. News is in the expressiveness but not in sounds!
The evidence is that all TD-20X settings are fully compatible with the TD-30 as the modeling technic is the same.
So, I decided to get a 2Box module and wow the sounds are great (the worst 2Box ones equal the best ones of Roland when very well tweaked IMO). I just have now to replace my ride (a CY-15R) and the hi-hat (VH-12) with 2Box ones to get a good playability and I'm gonna resell my TD-20X.
best choice you can make.
Yesterday I finally had the chance to play on a TD30 and I was indeed very disappointed in the sounds. I only tried 1 kit (it was in a drumshop) but how artificial and machine-gun like the sounds are compared to the 2Box. However, the Roland hihat is so much better then the 2Box hihat. It feels much more natural and easier to play. There is definitely a lot of work left for 2Box to improve. It works but should be improved.
I consider replacing the 2Box hihat by the Zildjian Gen16 hats ...
Neither the 30 nor the 2Box showed me the "wow factor" right out of the box. That said....I bought both. :o Both have much potential for completely different reasons once you dig into them. I'll let you know for sure in a few months when I finally finish my build. Of course it will be in the DIY section. ;)
Quote from: Murgen on November 10, 2012, 11:03:09 AM
I only tried 1 kit (it was in a drumshop) but how artificial and machine-gun like the sounds are compared to the 2Box.
You may have tried the worst kit! There are some very nice kits in the TD-30 - although there are also a lot of repeated TD-20 kits. I suspect we'll see some new ones made available for download in future - either free, or paid.