Seems like Alesis in joining the world of open sound system, too
(hurry up, 2Box)
http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM09/article/Alesis/Alesis-Introduces-DM10-Electronic-Drum-Set-at-Summer-NAMM-2009
http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM09/article/Alesis/Alesis-Announces-Dm10-Sound-Set-From-Fxpansion
Quote from: puttenvr on July 17, 2009, 09:18:29 AM
Seems like Alesis in joining the world of open sound system, too
(hurry up, 2Box)
http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM09/article/Alesis/Alesis-Introduces-DM10-Electronic-Drum-Set-at-Summer-NAMM-2009
http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM09/article/Alesis/Alesis-Announces-Dm10-Sound-Set-From-Fxpansion
I don't think the Alesis DM10 will be competing directly with 2box. I made a similar post over at vdrums.com. 2Box (Roland and Yamaha) are more like a Cadillac Escalade (with the high end modules) where Alesis is more like a Kia Sportage. A decent product at a good price. I think the price point is going to be a big factor here.
Could be, could be ...
But the realism of sounds would be the key factor. Not the price
The difference in price between a Roland TD20 and DrumItFive is huge, too
And the 2Box is better ...
don´t say anything about Kia, I drive a Carnival, there is no better Car for that price. So don´t be so quick to write about something you haven´t hear yet ;)
Update: there are some sounds online
http://www.alesis.com/dm10prokit#16
And I am not that impressed ...
Quote from: TrommelTheo on July 17, 2009, 06:04:39 PM
don´t say anything about Kia, I drive a Carnival, there is no better Car for that price. So don´t be so quick to write about something you haven´t hear yet ;)
I happen to like Kia. I also think it is a damn good car for the price, but it is not a Cadillac. That was the point I was trying to make. Also, I had listened to the DM10 samples before I wrote that. I think it sounds decent (not great but decent) especially when you consider the price is only $1499.00.
BTW,
Just got this information from a very reliable source. The price (MAP) of the new Alesis DM10 Pro Kit is going to be $1499.00.
That sounds like a good price to me.
Quote from: puttenvr on July 17, 2009, 06:15:57 PM
Update: there are some sounds online
http://www.alesis.com/dm10prokit#16
And I am not that impressed ...
I suppose it could be an artifact of the compression they've used, or the over-quantized arrangements, but it doesn't sound all that dynamic to me.
...Unfair I suppose to post this, but listen to the 2box drumit demo...
http://www.2box.se/Pages/drumit_five_demo.html
That's something else.
It's uh...apples and oranges :)
Quote from: UC on July 17, 2009, 07:27:20 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on July 17, 2009, 06:15:57 PM
Update: there are some sounds online
http://www.alesis.com/dm10prokit#16
And I am not that impressed ...
I suppose it could be an artifact of the compression they've used, or the over-quantized arrangements, but it doesn't sound all that dynamic to me.
...Unfair I suppose to post this, but listen to the 2box drumit demo...
http://www.2box.se/Pages/drumit_five_demo.html
That's something else.
It's uh...apples and oranges :)
Hey everyone new to the forum and it looks great ;D. Can't wait to get my hands on a kit.
I totally agree with you UC, the difference between the two is massive and for basically the same price as the drumit it's a no brainer for me.
The new Alesis only has 128 mb memory
I hope this is RAM and Alesis will add a hard disk for the sounds
Otherwise there won't be much room for your own sounds.
Also read that Alesis still uses Dynamic Articulation. So, they don't use a different sample for every position or dynamic layer, but they use a synth to generate these variations. Like vdrums ...
UPDATE:
There is a promo video from Summer NAMM here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVCIa53ZWV0
The man talks about a hard disk.
But the specs on www.alesis.com don't mention it
Also (again) listened to the audio demos on the Alesis site
Wow, the sounds are really bad
How can a company do this in 2009 ?
Quote from: puttenvr on July 19, 2009, 08:29:33 AM
The new Alesis only has 128 mb memory
I hope this is RAM and Alesis will add a hard disk for the sounds
Otherwise there won't be much room for your own sounds.
You would be surprised what you can do with 128 MB.
Quote from: puttenvr on July 19, 2009, 08:29:33 AMAlso read that Alesis still uses Dynamic Articulation. So, they don't use a different sample for every position or dynamic layer, but they use a synth to generate these variations. Like vdrums ...
Not exactly. They use both. To make the limit memory work they only use about 3-5 layered sounds and then use Dynamic Articulation for everything in between.
Quote from: puttenvr on July 19, 2009, 08:29:33 AM
UPDATE:
There is a promo video from Summer NAMM here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVCIa53ZWV0
The man talks about a hard disk.
But the specs on www.alesis.com don't mention it
I really doubt there is a hard drive in there. That is not Alesis style. They like inexpensive parts that do what they do well and a hard drive would be too expensive for their price point.
Quote from: puttenvr on July 19, 2009, 08:29:33 AM
Also (again) listened to the audio demos on the Alesis site
Wow, the sounds are really bad
How can a company do this in 2009 ?
I don't know how many of you gig out, but I do. When I gig out, I typically don't use all of the room ambiance and effects when I play out. Why, well it might sound good in your headphones or on your computer for demos, but when you have to deal with natural room ambiance it is a different story. I typically use my sounds pretty dry and the audience loves it that way. Hell they think it is a real drum kit. I use an Alesis SR-18 with Trigger I/O for my sounds. Will other drummers notice? Probably, but I'm not playing to a bunch of drummers and musicians, I play to everyday people who don't hear nuance. So that is how a company can do this in 2009.
Hi Hellfire
I don't understand your last point
I never use effects and ambience either. That was one of the reasons I dropped former Roland modules
And when I listen to the Alesis demos they sound dull and 1980s like. No matter if they are pre-recorded with effects or not
But perhaps, I don't get your point
Please explain again ...
Quote from: puttenvr on July 20, 2009, 01:18:46 PM
Hi Hellfire
I don't understand your last point
I never use effects and ambience either. That was one of the reasons I dropped former Roland modules
And when I listen to the Alesis demos they sound dull and 1980s like. No matter if they are pre-recorded with effects or not
But perhaps, I don't get your point
Please explain again ...
I'm sorry puttenvr. That dull and 1980's sound that you are talking about, is how studio drums sounded in the late 70's, 80', most of the 90's (what most cover bands play). A lot of times people (ie musicians) think of very studio polished drum sounds as sounding fake but, to a lot of the people (ie non musicians) that is what they think drums sound like. Mainly because they have only heard those cover songs on the original albums. Heavy compression, and very close miking.
You know, if done right an Alesis DM5 can sound really good at a live gig. I still know drummers who use that set-up.
ok, ehm... mh
in times where PA´s sounding like a CD-Player (for example KS with a good MIxer) Drums shouldn´t be behind the technique with their sounds.
I´ll get a crisis, wenn i hear perfekt Keys and glass-clear Horns and Guitars but the Drums are overlayed with middle frequencies like a OMO or Dash-Drum (detergent-boxes). :o
Ppl won´t hear that dull and 1980s sound, they will hear nearly the same sound like the new songs on her MP3-Player. As an effect lke Amy Winehouse, playing with sounds styles of the 60´s, is an other thing. :D
Theo
P.S.: sorry for my ugly English ;D
Thanks a lot for building a new forum and I am very glad to see you boys here.
So, the question about new Alesis is:
Will the module work with Yamaha Xtreme 4 special, which I have now (while waiting for the orange baby) and how much it could be? Does it worth to get one instead of Yamaha Xtreme 4? Looks like we have to wait for at least x-mass to get the 2box in proper condition, but gigs and home practice cannot wait...
I have to admit that i find the alesis sound very strange . It doesn't sound like any era to my ears. I wonder if their audio compression method introduces the sound quality that to my ears is muffled and harsh?
I am always testing VST's and one thing I look forward to is an E drum map for the Sonic Reality drum masters series. You can hear demos at downloadablesoundz.com. I like the Jerry Marotta kit myself and I find all the kits sound exactly like tracking sessions to me. I don't think any other vst's or kits sound quite like that.They also have Ocean Way drums.
I get good results with the Slate vst drums but not cymbals. It would be good if the 2 box or Alesis could sound as good as sonic reality vst's. I doubt that is possible because they must use data compression.
Peter
Saw that Alesis DM10 was started shipping this saturday. They can be buyed at Dolphinmusic and in the mayor american shops today.
The price is 899£
They price tag is very attractive indeed. But I want BIGGER drums! :(
There will still be that digital feeling with very small drums.
I've been holding off getting the 2Box partly because it's never in stock :D but also because I'm not a "real" drummer and the price seemed too much for something I would just "bash" on for some home-based recording.
However, when I saw the details on this new Alesis DM10 it appeared to be more suited to y needs - i.e. cheaper but with all the basic requirements done fairly well.
My concern was that, as with most things, if I start off with a cheaper (and slightly less capable) alternative then surely I will eventually notice the limitations and wish I had got the better alternative?
The main question I have though that the Alesis press release says:
QuoteDM10 is the world's first drum-sound module that enables USB sound loading
I thought that the 2Box was the first or have I misunderstood????
The 2box should be the first, but the software function which enables this isn't ready at the moment. It will be ready within a few .... weeks, monhts...
Quote from: HowlingWolf on November 04, 2009, 12:54:10 PM
I've been holding off getting the 2Box partly because it's never in stock :D but also because I'm not a "real" drummer and the price seemed too much for something I would just "bash" on for some home-based recording.
The same here. Im a studio-guy, I have played drums for couple of years and want to play a little and let others play (and on a low budget). Im thinking about buying a Alesis DM10 and get a real hihat (with real hihatstand), wonder how those "realheads" feels like, the thing is that i dont like mesh-heads cause: i want to feel my drumsticks chew through the drumheads! ;)
DM 10 has no HiHat-Stand, only a fix-mounted HiHat-Top and a Footcontoler like old Roland
Theo
Several reviews can now be found to the Alesis DM10
http://www.hellfiredrums.com/archives/713
http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEDM10PROKIT
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfriend.com/product/Alesis-DM10-Pro-Electronic-Drum-Set?sku=492018
And people seems pretty happy with it. The size of the pads are a bit smaller than the Drumit5 (two 8" pads and two 10" pads), but on the other side, thats the same size as the Roland TD-12 pads and the Roland TD-12 costs like over three times more (!!). I dont know what those RealPads feels like, according to hellfiredrums they feel like "in between" of rubber-pads and acoustic drums.
There aren't many words about the sound
And reviews from shops (no 2 and 3) I don't trust. Sorry
Quote from: puttenvr on November 23, 2009, 01:56:09 PM
There aren't many words about the sound
And reviews from shops (no 2 and 3) I don't trust. Sorry
Im not doing advertise to alesis dm10, im just keep the information about it flowing. I want to know how the hihat response to the pedal, how the surge and pads triggering to the dm10-module, the feeling overall. Im going to record drums through addictive drums (via midi), so the module-sounds isnt a problem.
The drumit5 is far superior on the samples though becuse it got 4 gb ram vs alesis dm10 128 mb ram. And the pads are bigger, and the hihat and cymbals on drumit five are all 3-zone.
Quote from: hwasser on November 23, 2009, 02:09:21 PM
Im not doing advertise to alesis dm10, im just keep the information about it flowing.
Good man, I think it's worth keeping things objective :) And any competition for Roland is a good thing.
If the Alesis turns out to work well with drum samplers like Addictive or BFD then that's great. The tutorials for BFD suggest that having a seperate footpedal for the hi-hat is actually a bonus as it always resets itself to zero, but with stand-mounted controllers as soon as you move the chuck you have to recallibrate the whole thing...So there's ups and downs with every platform.
Quote from: hwasser on November 23, 2009, 02:09:21 PM
Im not doing advertise to alesis dm10,
I didn't say you did
And we are happy with this info
Just noticed that it is remarkable that there aren't many words about .... etc
Quote from: puttenvr on November 23, 2009, 03:57:35 PM
Quote from: hwasser on November 23, 2009, 02:09:21 PM
Im not doing advertise to alesis dm10,
I didn't say you did
And we are happy with this info
Just noticed that it is remarkable that there aren't many words about .... etc
yeah, actually I think that's a bit weird to. It has been available for a month and no youtube videos and only three reviews (two user reviews and one pro-review). When the 2box was out this forum opened and a lot of videos was to be found on youtube and .. you know, a lot of buzz. The only one who have answered about the Alesis DM10 on v-drum forum and such is hellfire.
Its a great product it looks good, and a very nice price.
Asked Alesis if the module supports 2-zone hihats, and it does, that's good news! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3kHsEP0p9M
a little too much talk and I would like to hear more playing if you ask me.perhaps in the full report later on.
Based on this,it seems to me that the kit does sound better then the samples from the website.Still curious on the rumors of BFD and all going to make something that can be stored in this module.
Quote from: Calimero on December 03, 2009, 02:09:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3kHsEP0p9M
a little too much talk and I would like to hear more playing if you ask me.perhaps in the full report later on.
Based on this,it seems to me that the kit does sound better then the samples from the website.Still curious on the rumors of BFD and all going to make something that can be stored in this module.
Yeah, I will alse hear the snare and toms sensivity and stuff!
Now its for sale on the european mainland. Thomann and Musicstore have them in the sortiment (however, they will be in stock 16 december)
Quote from: hwasser on December 04, 2009, 12:43:21 PM
Now its for sale on the european mainland. Thomann and Musicstore have them in the sortiment (however, they will be in stock 16 december)
did anyone of you guys played on the alesis dm pro 10?
if you want to mount the hihat on a real hihatstand, you can use the new jobeky controller.
Quote from: Calimero on December 03, 2009, 02:09:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3kHsEP0p9M
a little too much talk and I would like to hear more playing if you ask me.perhaps in the full report later on.
Based on this,it seems to me that the kit does sound better then the samples from the website.Still curious on the rumors of BFD and all going to make something that can be stored in this module.
Well if you want to hear more, you might want to check out my website. That way you can hear more of this podcast. You only watched one part. There are two more parts on my website. I do go through more module related stuff in the other to parts. Here's the link:
Alesis DM10 Pro Kit – Video Review (http://www.hellfiredrums.com/archives/744)
If you have any questions just ask. I will do my best to answer them.
Alesis Germany told me yesterday, that the new DM10-Sets will be shipped in the 1st or 2nd week 2010.
Greets
Theo
Quote from: TrommelTheo on December 29, 2009, 06:11:58 PM
Alesis Germany told me yesterday, that the new DM10-Sets will be shipped in the 1st or 2nd week 2010.
Greets
Theo
are you interested in buying?
hi roel,
can´t say, ´cause i ´ve not get the chance to test it, the sounds of the Demo-Songs on Alesis Page doesn´t please me, specially the Tom-Sounds. Snares and Toms are nearly all the same in all Demo-Songs. May be, the Brain wasn´t ready at the time they´ve made the Demos.
So i must test it by myself...
Theo
Quote from: TrommelTheo on December 30, 2009, 06:34:16 AM
hi roel,
can´t say, ´cause i ´ve not get the chance to test it, the sounds of the Demo-Songs on Alesis Page doesn´t please me, specially the Tom-Sounds. Snares and Toms are nearly all the same in all Demo-Songs. May be, the Brain wasn´t ready at the time they´ve made the Demos.
So i must test it by myself...
Theo
ok let us know when you have test the alesis dm 10 pro.
Quote from: roel on December 15, 2009, 08:41:31 PM
did anyone of you guys played on the alesis dm pro 10?
if you want to mount the hihat on a real hihatstand, you can use the new jobeky controller.
This should not be a problem. If you watch the videos over at
HellfireDrums.com (http://www.hellfiredrums.com/archives/744) I talk about hi-hat calibration. As long as the Jobeky controller functions the same as a Roland controller (i.e. uses resistance; a potentiometer) it will work with the DM10. I even talked about (in the video) about how I use a Roland FD-7 with the Alesis DM10 with no problems. I hope this helps.
Quote from: TrommelTheo on December 30, 2009, 06:34:16 AM
hi roel,
can´t say, ´cause i ´ve not get the chance to test it, the sounds of the Demo-Songs on Alesis Page doesn´t please me, specially the Tom-Sounds. Snares and Toms are nearly all the same in all Demo-Songs. May be, the Brain wasn´t ready at the time they´ve made the Demos.
So i must test it by myself...
Theo
Hi TrommelTheo,
Have you tried going to
HellfireDrums.com (http://www.hellfiredrums.com/archives/744) and watching the video review of the DM10 Pro Kit? I have had a lot of people comment that the sound samples on my video sound better then what is on the Alesis website. It is just a thought.
That's scary.
Quote from: wbrs on January 02, 2010, 06:04:38 PM
That's scary.
Obviously wbrs isn't one of them.....
Quote from: wbrs on January 02, 2010, 06:04:38 PM
That's scary.
what's so scary? the man behind this drumset. :animal:
Quote from: Hellfire on January 02, 2010, 06:43:40 PM
Obviously wbrs isn't one of them.....
I hadn't heard the samples on Alesis's site I thought the ones on your site sounded bad. I could see you hocking them over here if you thought they are better sounding and a better value. Do you?
BTW the DM10 makes the 2box look macho.
Quote from: wbrs on January 02, 2010, 08:08:25 PM
I hadn't heard the samples on Alesis's site I thought the ones on your site sounded bad. I could see you hocking them over here if you thought they are better sounding and a better value. Do you?
Well I don't believe I'm hocking anything. I don't believe I ever stated that the DM10 sounds better than the 2Box module either.
As far as it being a better value, a better value to what? The 2Box? Yes. I can't get a 2Box kit easily in the states. Now, when 2box releases in the states, believe or not, my answer most likely will be different. ;)
BTW,
Happy New Years wbrs!
Same to you HF
The Sound i ´ve heard til now doesn´t throw me from the Chair ??? Maybe the Presets are like them of Roland TD XX and 2Box (Snares and Bass very good, toms and cymbals average). I ´m missing a little bit punch for toms and snare... Cymbals sounding good... so i hope you ´ll udnerstand my reason, why i must test the DM by myself :rock:
Theo
Are you really saying the Alesis doesn't sound good!! What would make you think that ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMeBN5rY2Gk :rock:
Also do you mean the 2box toms don't sound that great?
*lol* :rock:
No, i mean the Presets are not the best, only a few of 128 are sounding good... and i hope the Presets of teh DM 10 are the same and the single sounds in the brain are better...
Theo