(http://www.nordkeyboards.com/home/images/christmas2012.jpg)
- They just releasing some drum samples for their Nord Keyboards
- ddrum is returning
- 2Box and Clavia (re)join ....
interresting ....
here's a "conversion kit" for 2BOXERS .... ;)
(http://www.ihconstruction.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/red-paint.jpg)
Quote from: edtc on December 24, 2011, 12:26:03 PM
interresting ....
here's a "conversion kit" for 2BOXERS .... ;)
(http://www.ihconstruction.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/red-paint.jpg)
don't give me idea's! :)
There's a new picture hint up on the Clavia site. It definitely looks like there's a new drum thing coming our way!
(http://www.nordkeyboards.com/home/images/newyear2012-2.jpg)
Quote
1. They just releasing some drum samples for their Nord Keyboards
2. ddrum is returning
3. 2Box and Clavia (re)join ....
Maybe a combination of 2 and 3, they use the 2Box module as an OEM product under their own name.
No idea, just unfounded rumours :)
Regards, Manfred
Wow, they now even changed their X-mas ball into red drum sticks
So, it's more than samples for their keyboards ....
Interesting but actually I hope no DDRUM 5... actually it would be cool if Clavia would be make some expansion sample packs for the 2box drumit 5 module! that's a good idea Clavia? isnn't it?
I ve read DDRUM name has been sold so i dont imagine any DDRUM5 poping out ...
And maybe 2box has nothing to do in this ... but we will see soon as they say :):):)
Deve is surely smiling a lot behind his screen .... by the way , happy new year to the 2BOX crew !!!
.... or maybe its gonna be that :
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/657154norddrum.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=657154norddrum.jpg)
Man Iam curious what could this means? deve? ;)
so the "different drum" will be revealed at the NAMM show , the 19 january .... sure our Jman will be there and will update us about the new Clavia product ...
i bet it s gonna be some 909 step sequencer drummachine with some triggering abilities ... :drum3:
... the answear in 2 weeks :)
Quote from: edtc on January 05, 2012, 02:37:10 AM
so the "different drum" will be revealed at the NAMM show , the 19 january .... sure our Jman will be there and will update us about the new Clavia product ...
i bet it s gonna be some 909 step sequencer drummachine with some triggering abilities ... :drum3:
... the answear in 2 weeks :)
Can't find a Clavia booth/listing on the NAMM show exhibitor list, but Nord USA is there ... I'll check it out. Clavia, DDrum, Armadillo ... those were all places I used to stop when awaiting the arrival of a new DDrum 5 module (which never happened), before 2Box came out ..... and I still go by the DDrum (in name only) display to see what new acoustics they come out with .... they came out with a pretty low end triggered acoustic kit last year if I remember right... that never added up to much ...
Rumor/Word has it that Roland is coming out with their new Flagship model this year. I'll see what all the usual suspects are up to.... Yamaha, Alesis, Pearl, Toontrack, FXpansion, Korg, etc... unfortunately it doesn't look like 2Box will be there .... I met Bengt a couple times years back ... actually sat down with him while he was repairing one of the rims on the demo kit... nice guy! I'd love to meet em again now that I have had quite a bit of experience with the module!
I want to see what happened with the FSR type heads Aquarian was scheduled to release also.... lots of stops this year, could be an interesting year for edrums...
Quote from: Jman on January 05, 2012, 03:51:53 AM
Rumor/Word has it that Roland is coming out with their new Flagship model this year. I'll see what all the usual suspects are up to.... Yamaha, Alesis, Pearl, Toontrack, FXpansion, Korg, etc... unfortunately it doesn't look like 2Box will be there .... I met Bengt a couple times years back ... actually sat down with him while he was repairing one of the rims on the demo kit... nice guy! I'd love to meet em again now that I have had quite a bit of experience with the module!
I want to see what happened with the FSR type heads Aquarian was scheduled to release also.... lots of stops this year, could be an interesting year for edrums...
But do you think Clavia will release a e-drum system like the 2box drumit 5?
Quote from: roel on January 05, 2012, 07:58:24 PM
But do you think Clavia will release a e-drum system like the 2box drumit 5?
Personally, no, I don't think that is what is going on .... but, just my guess...
Just in case though ...... I want all the features we like from the DDrum 3 and 4 plus all the capacity and features of the Drumit Five in the new system ;D ;) But it would have to have the 2Box developers involved, because no edrum company even comes close IMO to their incredible ongoing product support!
...no more drumsticks ...;) (http://www.nordkeyboards.com/home/images/namm-2.jpg)
I'll certainly be going to the booth to check if there are any e-drum hiding behind the keyboards. I suspect the new development will be drum tracks as backing tracks for the existing products. No doubt, the sale of the ddrum name to the US company also involved a restraint of competition clause, so it would be most surprising to see an edrum offering. But, stranger things have happened....
If I see that latest picture I think that it will be a new drumcomputer/octapad but just my thought.
Uhh?
They just change pictures to announce that there gonna be 2 new products on NAMM
One organ (module) and something with a drum
It would be nice if they release an edrum module of sorts (or a TMI). Even if it is something that you can attach a TMI to, I think would be pretty cool. If I had to guess I'd say it is a drum machine of some kind but, even a drum machine can be used as an edrum module (kind of). ;)
Maybe a complete DJ table with sampler, keys and all the stuff ... and iPad connection. :)
http://norddrum.com/
So, it's definitely not a sample set for keyboards or drum machine
We'll have to wait for 10 days ;-)
Looks like a Ddrum5 kit
(http://www.myspace.com/cagex/photos/16093495#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A16093495%7D)
http://www.myspace.com/cagex/photos/16093495#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A16093495%7D (http://www.myspace.com/cagex/photos/16093495#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A16093495%7D)
Quote from: TheM@x on January 08, 2012, 12:40:53 PM
Looks like a Ddrum5 kit
(http://www.myspace.com/cagex/photos/16093495#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A16093495%7D)
http://www.myspace.com/cagex/photos/16093495#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A16093495%7D (http://www.myspace.com/cagex/photos/16093495#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A16093495%7D)
to me, it looks more like ddrum 4se kit
Yep, its a ddrum4
If Clavia is smart (and they are) then they use the hardware of an existing kit
like http://www.drum-tec.de/photoshooting.php and only add a new (or orange) module to it
Well, if those two pictures are truly a test of the new Norddrum, then I think it is safe to say it is a new edrum kit and or edrum module. I also agree that the kit in those shots look to be a Ddrum 4 type. So, the pictures may not be showing a new kit. That might just be the kit used to test the Norddrum. The big question would seem to me, is the Norddrum a digital controlled analog drum module or a sample based drum module like the 2box DrumIt5? I only ask because it seems that analog drum machines seem to be making a resurgence. Just thinking out loud. :)
Quote from: Hellfire on January 09, 2012, 03:47:22 PM
Well, if those two pictures are truly a test of the new Norddrum, then I think it is safe to say it is a new edrum kit and or edrum module. I also agree that the kit in those shots look to be a Ddrum 4 type. So, the pictures may not be showing a new kit. That might just be the kit used to test the Norddrum. The big question would seem to me, is the Norddrum a digital controlled analog drum module or a sample based drum module like the 2box DrumIt5? I only ask because it seems that analog drum machines seem to be making a resurgence. Just thinking out loud. :)
I think by these times , it s more clever to release only a drum module ... as there is more and more choice in AtoE drums ...
Quote from: edtc on January 09, 2012, 04:46:16 PM
I think by these times , it s more clever to release only a drum module ... as there is more and more choice in AtoE drums ...
new picture on: http://norddrum.com/ I wonder what you will thinking right now puttenvr because you always loved the Clavia brand.
The drums of the future come form the past
So... it's an upgraded ddrum4se
Ok, it looks like it's not a DJ turn table with build-in mixer, sampler, drums, keyboard ... and iPad connection. But! It can stil be a DJ mixer with built-in sampler, drums, keyboard ... and iPad connection. 8)
Well now, that's cool. I'm now officially stoked about this years NAMM.
(http://norddrum.com/image2.jpg)
Quote from: puttenvr on January 09, 2012, 05:50:16 PM
The drums of the future come form the past
So... it's an upgraded ddrum4se
But what do you think? just a upgraded module or a complete set?
Quote from: puttenvr on January 09, 2012, 05:50:16 PM
The drums of the future come form the past
So... it's an upgraded ddrum4se
looks much smaller than the ddrum4 ...
@roel .... suspense !!! ;););)
Quote from: puttenvr on January 09, 2012, 05:50:16 PM
The drums of the future come form the past
So... it's an upgraded ddrum4se
Or just a drum machine like TR-808/909 and so on....
we have to wait...grrrr :)
Quote from: roel on January 09, 2012, 07:31:13 PM
we have to wait...grrrr :)
.........No problem ! we 2boxers are well trained , when it comes to wait ...;););)
Quote from: Manfred on January 09, 2012, 07:28:31 PM
Or just a drum machine like TR-808/909 and so on....
...or maybe something that will need a custom hihat controller board .. ;) ;) ;)
PS: @ manfred ... did you check the post about converting the hihat pad to a regular cymbal pad ?? we need your lights to conclude the post ...
... nothing to do with the Norddrum , but after all , 10 days is long , so we have time :drum2:
Dunno, that picture doesn't have much detail to make any real evaluation, but it sure would need a couple rows of input/output jacks on the back if it were a drum module ... unless it were as l o n g as a Nord Keyboard ;) .... take a look at this from Manfred's sticky showing the inputs/outputs on our 2Box modules:
(http://www.njnj.de/bilder/SD_Mod_S03.jpg)
I suppose a DB25 connector and wire harness could be possible .... that would take up less space and would eliminate most or all of the input jacks ???
Quote from: Jman on January 10, 2012, 03:48:09 AM
Dunno, that picture doesn't have much detail to make any real evaluation, but it sure would need a couple rows of input/output jacks on the back if it were a drum module ... unless it were as l o n g as a Nord Keyboard ;) ....
.... or maybe there is only one jack , with 10zones , velocity dépendant , like our Bell trigger ...:)
and the audio output is wireless ....
but i really like Jman's idea to have a slim 3 feet long Norddrum module :) :) :)
At this moment I don't think it's a drumkit but a drum machine with reproductions of classic (much wanted) drum machines into it. Some years ago Hans Nordelius explained why Clavia left the market for drum kits. They sold their name to Armadil(d)o and saw 2Box entering the market.
Would be strange if they returned to drumkits.
Quote from: puttenvr on January 10, 2012, 06:21:31 AM
At this moment I don't think it's a drumkit but a drum machine with reproductions of classic (much wanted) drum machines into it.
I would have to agree with you at this point, however seeing those two pictures of it being used/tested with a drum kit makes me think that it may be a little bit more than just a drum machine. More of a drum midi sound box designed to be use with an other drum modules/TMIs (or other midi devices, like a keyboard). What I mean by "
more than a drum machine" is, it may have the midi protocols in it for variable hi-hat control. Most drum machines I've used don't have the variable hi-hat midi protocols built in it. This is what I think stops edrummers from using them as add on midi sound modules to their drum module/TMI. Just my two cents at this point.
I've got a mad chubby for whatever it is!
LOOK WHAT I'VE FOUND....
(http://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/new-product-alert/271568d1326313093-nord-drum-norddrum.jpg)
Quote from: edtc on January 12, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
LOOK WHAT I'VE FOUND....
(http://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/new-product-alert/271568d1326313093-nord-drum-norddrum.jpg)
I think that is just a Photoshop pic of what someone thinks it is. That just doesn't look legitimate to me. That's not to say it isn't but, that is my gut feeling on this pic.
Quote from: Hellfire on January 12, 2012, 06:34:14 PM
I think that is just a Photoshop pic of what someone thinks it is. That just doesn't look legitimate to me. That's not to say it isn't but, that is my gut feeling on this pic.
... sure it s a joke !!! found it on Gearstutz ... look at the "squiggle" button :) :) :)
we have 7 more days to laugh .... the rest is guesswork
update now we will know what it will be:
http://norddrums.com/
greetings,
Roel.
Not exactly what I was hoping for, but intriguing none the less :)
Quote from: Hellfire on January 09, 2012, 03:47:22 PM
...The big question would seem to me, is the Norddrum a digital controlled analog drum module or a sample based drum module like the 2box DrumIt5? I only ask because it seems that analog drum machines seem to be making a resurgence. Just thinking out loud. :)
So it appears to be a analog midi drum box that you connect via midi to your module/TMI or your Keyboard. Pretty cool. I still would like to hear a sample of it. The big question now is, does it support variable hi-hat midi protocols?
Quote from: Hellfire on January 11, 2012, 01:42:14 AM
What I mean by "more than a drum machine" is, it may have the midi protocols in it for variable hi-hat control. Most drum machines I've used don't have the variable hi-hat midi protocols built in it. This is what I think stops edrummers from using them as add on midi sound modules to their drum module/TMI. Just my two cents at this point.
If it has the above built in, I just might have to get this little box. ;D
And I was always thinking that the Clavia DDrum guys are the makers of 2box Drumit 5.
Maby I can use this Nord drum for my 2BOX set.
Quote from: roel on January 14, 2012, 04:42:16 PM
And I was always thinking that the Clavia DDrum guys are the makers of 2box Drumit 5.
Former Clavia ddrum quys ...
Quote from: puttenvr on January 15, 2012, 08:18:11 AM
Former Clavia ddrum quys ...
hmm ok very curious about nord drum but I don't think it is a drummodule.
Ok, it's a drum machine... I guess the only question now is does it have an iPad connection? :D
More detailed pic on the Norddrum website now. Four trigger inputs.
Quote from: digitalDrummer on January 17, 2012, 04:06:42 AM
More detailed pic on the Norddrum website now. Four trigger inputs.
Yes it does. How cool is that:
(http://norddrum.com/image3.jpg)
more info here
http://www.musicradar.com/news/drums/namm-2012-nord-drum-photos-and-info-released-524610
Okay, it is clear now that it doesn't have an iPad connection. :D
Seriously, what's the function of this tool? How does one use that?
Perhaps Clavia forsees a return of old disco music where drummers use piew-piew sounds along with their acoustic drums. There must be a niche market for it.
But Iam curious how the samples will sound?
Quote from: roel on January 17, 2012, 10:11:47 PM
But Iam curious how the samples will sound?
The advantage of this machine is that it is NOT sample based .... it should react as old analog modules like TAMA PEARL or SIMMONS .... velocity can affect a lot of parameters , like tune , envelope , filter , and a lot more as this one is "modern "
... this makes a very expressive way to use and modify "synthetic" drum sounds ...
One other cool possibility , is that because this gear is MIDI , it gives you the possibility to controle the parameters using a midi controller or a sequencer ....
imagine ... you play drums and someone else modifys the textures of the sounds you play ..... or a sequencer or DAW can change kits for some parts or filter cutoff frequency on a snare sound!!!!
This is what i imagine , but knowing the nordlead a bit , all this should be possible ...
we will see soon :animal: :animal: :animal:
quote; ""velocity can affect a lot of parameters , like tune , envelope , filter"............ the ddrum3 did all of these and also had a click parameter, pressure sensing which was great for damping and bending and positional sensing.
This is not really meant for drummers. There aren't that many drum machines on the market and like puttenvr said it's a niche product. I'll wait for the reviews and videos to see what it actually does, but I'm already sure that this is not something I'd normally buy.
Quote from: GenuineHuman on January 18, 2012, 12:11:47 PM
This is not really meant for drummers. There aren't that many drum machines on the market and like puttenvr said it's a niche product. I'll wait for the reviews and videos to see what it actually does, but I'm already sure that this is not something I'd normally buy.
I think it s meant also for drummers , but not as main Brain , or in complement of an acoustic kit.
IMO it is a good idea from CLAVIA ...
Quote from: edtc on January 18, 2012, 02:05:52 PM
I think it s meant also for drummers , but not as main Brain , or in complement of an acoustic kit.
IMO it is a good idea from CLAVIA ...
Maby I will use the Nord Drum as ad-on module for extra inputs to my 2box module, but first I wanna hear it!
Not possible since the 2Box is a 10 channel unit.
Ok, But can you connect the Nord Drum on your 2box module?
Quote from: roel on January 18, 2012, 06:34:33 PM
Ok, But can you connect the Nord Drum on your 2box module?
yes , you can connect it .... audio out from Norddrum to Drumit5 audio in ...
you can also connect it via midi , but in most cases it s useless ....
Quote from: edtc on January 18, 2012, 06:47:41 PM
yes , you can connect it .... audio out from Norddrum to Drumit5 audio in ...
you can also connect it via midi , but in most cases it s useless ....
I don't get it why it is useless , the Nord Drum has 4 trigger inputs so you connect 4 extra cymbals or whatever on your 2box module or is this not possible to do?
You can't use 2Box sounds, that's why it is useless. 2Box module has 10 channels / trigger inputs and once you use them all up, you're done, you can't trigger any additional 2Box module sounds, because you don't have any trigger inputs left.
Quote from: roel on January 18, 2012, 06:53:16 PM
I don't get it why it is useless , the Nord Drum has 4 trigger inputs so you connect 4 extra cymbals or whatever on your 2box module or is this not possible to do?
1 -
it s just useless to pay 400€ for 4 chanels of midi trig as you can get an Alesis triggerI/O ( 10 DUAL trig inputs) for 50€ on the second hand market .
Norddrum (4 ins) 100 € per input
Alesis (20 ins) 2.5 € per input
2 -
unless you build special DSOUNDS with different cymbal sounds for each zone, you have no channel left on your Drumit5 to play those 4 extra cymbal sounds (see there http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,974.msg9445.html#msg9445 )
But the Nord Drum doesn't have built in sounds? Or internal memory?
Quote from: roel on January 18, 2012, 07:56:10 PM
But the Nord Drum doesn't have built in sounds? Or internal memory?
of course it produces sounds ... synth drum sounds ....
please read this ROEL ....
Quote from: puttenvr on January 17, 2012, 06:12:36 PM
more info here
http://www.musicradar.com/news/drums/namm-2012-nord-drum-photos-and-info-released-524610
Quote from: roel on January 18, 2012, 08:30:19 PM
But curious how it will sound.
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php?action=post;msg=11451;topic=1165.60
go for it ! they just post a video with a short demo of the sounds
http://norddrum.com/
Quote from: edtc on January 18, 2012, 08:44:45 PM
go for it ! they just post a video with a short demo of the sounds
http://norddrum.com/
hmm I think It sounds cool.
Quote from: edtc on January 18, 2012, 08:44:45 PM
go for it ! they just post a video with a short demo of the sounds
http://norddrum.com/
It sounds great. I think those types of music that uses these kinds of sounds are going to love this device. If I had the extra money I would by one just to play around with.
Quote from: Hellfire on January 18, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
It sounds great. I think those types of music that uses these kinds of sounds are going to love this device. If I had the extra money I would by one just to play around with.
yes , it s like an old "before MIDI " drum module , without all the hiss the hum and with a lot more presets and parameters ... i m sure this will be a best seller !
.... soon a Behringer clone ? ;)
I don't get it. In the early 80s when disco/space sounds were hot in hit music, e-drums failed because drummers asked for real sounds
Now (today) real sounds are hot in hit music and Clavia introduces failed sounds ...
The world is in great confusion
So who's going to be the first to buy one, sample it, and upload some dsnds? :D
Quote from: Berk on January 19, 2012, 07:49:23 AM
So who's going to be the first to buy one, sample it, and upload some dsnds? :D
No use to buy it to make "analog like" Dsounds .... anybody could use VST Drumsynth softwares , and render them , the same way people use addictive drums or SD2 ....
here is an example of a freeware ( there is a lot of them , i just googled a bit...)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdlwne_ersdrums-free-vst-drum-synth-vstpla_music
And many virtual analog VST synths have electro sounds on their banks ...
So you can have fun without spending a dime :)
Another one not free : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bAAIb-0m4Q&feature=related
The main interrest of the "Reddrum " is that you can modify and fine tune the sounds on the fly , and adapt them to achieve better expressivity while sitting on their drumstool ...
It s the same with synths : ask a friend of yours who play keyboards , there is a huge difference in playability between a sample based electro sound and an analog ( or virtual analog ) synth ...
Yup, but hardly any keyboard player edits his sounds on the fly. Let alone drummers who need their hands for different things.
maybe not while they play , but during rehersals it s easier to tune a parameter on the module than to make new dsounds with a laptop and retransfer it...
.....keyboard players who uses portamento , filter pitch and modulation knob are actually tuning the sound on the fly ,and they are a lot doing this ... and not only in the techno scene !!!
....and what about using an expression pedal or a midi sequencer to change tune or filter frequency while you play a snare roll or a beat ? you could also (... maybe) automate the note of the kick drum to fit the diferent parts of a song , and so on ....
...even without midi controlling , using velocity to make a long synthKick sound bend or sweep isn't possible with a sample based module ...
Clavia were smart to release this , and also , i find it s clever to release a module that dont directly threat the 2BOX one ( at least for some times ....)
much better , it is a really good complement for a Drumit5 kit ...
New Video of the Nord Drum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ZNCoaWsfA
Quote from: roel on January 18, 2012, 08:52:14 PM
hmm I think It sounds cool.
Along with your preference for the processed sounding Yamaha PHX kit, I would go for a TD-20 or TD-30 if I were you.
The look of the norddrum is slick, I like it a lot !
Quote from: puttenvr on January 20, 2012, 09:13:30 AM
Along with your preference for the processed sounding Yamaha PHX kit, I would go for a TD-20 or TD-30 if I were you.
So you find that the Yamaha PHX Kit sounds bad?
Not bad
But processed
Not like unprocessed acoustic drums
The return of Kraftwerk ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWR7zUjXbfw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRD6QPHghQ&feature=related