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Title: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on December 03, 2011, 11:02:22 AM
Hi,

i thought it might be useful to have a SD card compatibility list for the 2Box module. So it would be nice if everybody could post which card has been in the module originally and what cards have proven to work. I will update this post accordingly. Please write the description of the cards as specific as possible. And recommendations for other cards if you are sure that they work. Not just tested for a few minutes but for a longer time. So lets start:


Original cards in the modules:

- Sandisk Extreme III 4GB SDHC class 6
- ATP Pro Max 4GB class 10
- 4GB Kingston SDHC Class 6



Cards that have proven to work:

- Sandisk Extreme 32GB SDHC class 10 30MB/s (different label prior to HD-video)
- Lexar Professional 32GB SDHC class 10 133x speed (see reply 24)
- Lexar Professional 16GB SDHC Class 10 133x  20Mb/sec (see reply 46)
- PNY Professional 32GB SDHC Class 10 20MB/s (133X) (see reply 115)

- Silicon Power 32GB SDHC class 10 ( ?? latency problems reported in post #73)

- Sandisk Extreme HD-Video 32 GB SDHC class 10 30MB/s (see reply 7)
- Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB SDHC 45MB/s (see reply 8 )
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on December 03, 2011, 06:14:03 PM
Original cards in the modules:
4GB Kingston SDHC Class 6
ATP Pro Max 4GB class 10

Sandisk Extreme 32GB SDHC class 10 30MB/s (different label prior to HD-video) These are not compatible, Early batches worked but later ones did not, and many fakes were on the market
(http://weblogimages.com/dajmando/SDHC%20Xtrm.jpg)

 Cards that have proven to work:

Lexar Professional 32GB SDHC class 10 133x speed http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004Y38OK2/ref=asc_df_B004Y38OK22342357?smid=A1IWE878LYB4UR&tag=nextagusmp0358889-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B004Y38OK2 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004Y38OK2/ref=asc_df_B004Y38OK22342357?smid=A1IWE878LYB4UR&tag=nextagusmp0358889-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B004Y38OK2)

(http://www.fotofabrikas.lt/data/images/catalog_pics/n_large/Secure%20Digital%20(SD)%20ir%20SDHC%20Lexar%2032GB%20133X%20Professional%20SDHC.jpg)

Allan (DigitalDrummer) discovered this one. It works excellent and prices are very reasonable!
PNY Professional 32GB SDHC Class 10 20MB/s (133X):
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Flash-Memory-Card-P-SDHC32G10-AZ/dp/B004WZJXDE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1364218275&sr=8-1&keywords=pny+32gb+sdhc (http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Flash-Memory-Card-P-SDHC32G10-AZ/dp/B004WZJXDE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1364218275&sr=8-1&keywords=pny+32gb+sdhc)

(http://www.mindfactory.de/images/product_images/1280/731308_0__8368972.jpg)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on December 03, 2011, 10:14:35 PM

Thanks Jman, startpost is updated. Good idea to post pictures of the cards. These are mine, left is original and right is the one i use currently.

(http://www.njnj.de/bilder/SDcards.jpg)


Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: 6828 on December 05, 2011, 11:12:58 AM
Late 2011 Kit:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/s6828s/2BOX/Cards.jpg)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on December 06, 2011, 10:43:01 PM

Hi 6828,

thanks for your feedback! How about the Silicon Power card on the right? Does it work flawlessly so should i put it on the list of proven cards?

Regards, Manfred
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: 6828 on December 10, 2011, 06:54:37 AM
Hi 6828,

thanks for your feedback! How about the Silicon Power card on the right? Does it work flawlessly so should i put it on the list of proven cards?

Regards, Manfred

Yep Manfred it works perfectly for me and tested at the same speed as the original card for read and write speeds.

Tony
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on December 10, 2011, 09:41:00 AM
Thanks, list is updated!

Some more users around with other SD-Cards?

Regards, Manfred

Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on December 28, 2011, 12:08:05 AM
I now have my doubts about the Sandisk Extreme 32GB HD Video card being the same as the card that I have been using..... the one I have pictured in my above post. Here is why: I bought a new pair of the Sandisk Extreme 32GB HD Video cards as pictured in Manfred's post. I am building new dsnds right now from a new SD pack I purchased. So, I loaded my previous dsnds plus my new dsnds and copied all the important files to the new card. When testing it out .... and I tested over and over for hours .... I had latency problems and distorted clicks, pops etc ... from the new cards.... I then took my old cards and loaded all the exact same files on them and they play perfect! My new cards were in factory sealed packaging and were from a very reputable retailer, Adorama Camera. When I turn the module on with the HD Video type cards it takes approx. 14 seconds for everything to load ... ready to play. When I turn on the module with my older style card it takes approx. 7 seconds to load. This leads me to believe an important thing is different ... Access time..... lower access time is something Deve Loper mentioned as being very important to the 2Box module.

Now, I don't know if all the HD Video cards are the same, or if some are actually different models with new labeling applied ..... or if I got a bad batch ..... But I do know the ones I returned to Adorama today did not perform equivalent to my current ones I am using.

I have ordered a couple new cards which the retailer assured me are NOT the HD Video type and are the type I want..... I will report back after I receive and test the new cards, J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on December 28, 2011, 12:24:28 AM
I also removed the Sandisk SDHC Extreme Pro 32GB 45MB/s from my list of compatible cards. After further testing I find the Extreme Pro has the same slow Access time problem and suffers from latency problems in fast playing through the module.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: 3drum on December 28, 2011, 02:09:02 AM
I also have the SanDisk Extreme HD video class 10 card. I'm experiencing the same latency and distortion as Jman. The card is definitely not a fake either. This sucks!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on December 28, 2011, 06:41:26 AM
Hi,

thanks for the updates! I modified the start post accordingly. I'm also using the HD-Video card but up to now i didn't notice any distorted clicks or other noise. Also in latency i didn't notice a significant difference compared to the original card. Anyway, my DSNDs are not that big and maybe i'm not playing fast enough  ;)

But the boot time is also about 13-14 seconds. So that matches with Jmans cards. Seems really not easy to find "good" cards for the 2Box module.

Regards, Manfred
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: eyerichards on December 28, 2011, 07:01:26 AM
I now have my doubts about the Sandisk Extreme 32GB HD Video card being the same as the card that I have been using..... the one I have pictured in my above post. Here is why: I bought a new pair of the Sandisk Extreme 32GB HD Video cards as pictured in Manfred's post. I am building new dsnds right now from a new SD pack I purchased. So, I loaded my previous dsnds plus my new dsnds and copied all the important files to the new card. When testing it out .... and I tested over and over for hours .... I had latency problems and distorted clicks, pops etc ... from the new cards.... I then took my old cards and loaded all the exact same files on them and they play perfect! My new cards were in factory sealed packaging and were from a very reputable retailer, Adorama Camera. When I turn the module on with the HD Video type cards it takes approx. 14 seconds for everything to load ... ready to play. When I turn on the module with my older style card it takes approx. 7 seconds to load. This leads me to believe an important thing is different ... Access time..... lower access time is something Deve Loper mentioned as being very important to the 2Box module.

Now, I don't know if all the HD Video cards are the same, or if some are actually different models with new labeling applied ..... or if I got a bad batch ..... But I do know the ones I returned to Adorama today did not perform equivalent to my current ones I am using.

I have ordered a couple new cards which the retailer assured me are NOT the HD Video type and are the type I want..... I will report back after I receive and test the new cards, J

This is exactly what I experienced with my sandisk card hd video card. This will sound weird but I'm glad it wasn't just me. You can also cross off Kingston ultimate 16gb class 10 cards which are even worse.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on December 28, 2011, 08:42:27 AM
I'm using a Transcend  SD HC 32GB card and it seems to work fine with stock dsnds and homebrew versions.
(http://www.dwidigitalcameras.com.au/images/catalog/Transcend32GBSD.jpg)
Again, there seems room for confusion - this is also available with a yellow label, and I haven't tried that version. Both heave exactly the same information on the actual card.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on December 28, 2011, 06:53:43 PM
Just to expand on this latency problem a bit: I changed to one of the stock 2Box kits in my module when testing the cards that I experienced the latency problem with, and with the stock 2Box kits there was no problem. This coincides with other posts I have read about latency problems when playing the custom dsnds others have built. So the problem occurs with the bigger dsnds I've built. And that is more obvious when playing very fast..... after a short time playing fast the sounds begin to fall behind the actual playing and eventually static sounds, etc.
But I have none of these problems with the Extreme card in my pic. I am hoping my results will be the same with the cards I just ordered that are supposed to be that type.

As I mentioned earlier Deve mentioned the Access Time on the SDHC cards as being important:

Quote
Also the speed class doesn't give the whole picture. The access time is extremely important but unfortunately hardly specified by sd card manufacturers.
Deve.
 


So it is a bit of a task to find a card with large capacity that meets our needs. Beyond the standard read and write speeds .... stats are hard to find. It would be nice if Tom's Hardware would do another up to date test/review of SDHC cards, here is one from 2009 that lists the results from a few cards and shows access time results:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-sdhc-memory-card-charts/Access-Time,857.html
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on December 29, 2011, 12:00:19 AM

Hi,

yes, i tried to find the "old" version of the Sandisk cards but no success. Seems like its not available anymore at least here in Germany. The reason why i didn't face the latency problems with my HD-Video card is the file size i guess. As already said my DSNDs are not that big up to now.

The Silicon Power cards look promising. On one hand because 6828 confirmed that the 32GB version works flawlessly. On the other hand the test on tomshardware shows the lowest access times for the 16GB version. Of course this is not guarantee because there might be different cards with the same label.

Regards, Manfred
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fishmonkey on December 29, 2011, 01:13:45 AM
another thing to know about flash storage, including SD cards and USB flash drives, is that the access times and transfer speeds often vary between different sizes of the same model card or drive.

for example, an 8GB version may be slower (or sometimes faster) than a 4GB version. this is do with the way flash memory works, the size of the memory chips, and the memory management used.

so you can't assume that the performance of a particular model card is the same for all capacities...
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on December 29, 2011, 06:21:35 AM
So the bad news is: Not easy to find a 32GB card that works flawlessly with the module.
But the good news is: Once you have the right card it does work superb! I am probably doing a good job of stress testing. When I first began building my dsnds from sample libraries I would load up the max number of hits DsoundTool will handle for most instruments. And max no. of transitions for HH's .... Huge dsnds for rides, cymbals, and larger toms ... Since I have done tons of dsnds now, I have found you don't need 99 hits on everything and some of the more compact dsnds can perform just as well.... But I still have a lot of those huge dsnds in kits on my card that sound fantastic by the way .... and with the "right" card there is nothing I can do to cause the sounds to screw up ..... play as fast as possible and it just plays fantastic!

Just as an example on my Vistalite kit I have 5 toms ranging from 40MB to 170MB, HiHat at close to 300MB,  Rides between 300 and 400 MB. Crashes between 150 and 200mbs ea. etc..... Basically if you tried to play one kit like this through a Redbox .... it would catch fire and self destruct in 30 seconds! ;D
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on December 31, 2011, 04:12:59 AM
So the search/nightmare continues ...... The new Sandisk Extreme cards arrived today and despite what I was assured they were the HD Video labeled cards not the ones like pictured in the auction and not what the jackass assured me....!!!!!! >:(
I did go ahead and load one up just to verify .... and NO DICE ... acts just like the other HD Video ones I tried!

Because of this little Sandisk adventure I have been doing a little research on these 32GB Sandisk Extreme cards .... it seems most of these HD Video cards are discontinued SDSDRX3-032G-A21 model cards .... an Older model ..... relabeled. The newer card is the SDSDX3-032G-A31 .... Read some of the 1 star Amazon reviews about the bait and switch:
http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-Extreme-SDHC-Cards-SDSDX3-032G-A31/dp/B001TDL34Y

It just gets more confusing ... they still show the pic with the labeling like mine has on the Sandisk website .... The actual cards do not have a model no. on them, just the packaging has the part no ... So, finding ones like the ones I already own that work perfectly may not be an easy task. The more Expensive Extreme Pro doesn't work any better than those HD Video cards ...  :-\
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: 3drum on December 31, 2011, 08:59:57 AM
I was also a victim of the bait and switch. When my card arrived I took a gamble and opened it knowing full well that it wasn't what I had ordered.  I hoped that it was just a newer/ better model. No such luck...... I bought it from SF Planet on ebay. Where did you get your latest batch of cards from Jman? Let us know so we can cross them off our list also. I'm getiing pretty bummed out about this, as this quest for the holy grail is a very expensive proposition. The new Panasonic cards at BH Photo have supposedly blazing speeds, but are pricey. I'd gladly buy it no matter what the cost if I would be guaranteed it worked. There is a company called Pretec that makes cards. They used to even custom make stuff to spec. I bought a bunch of linear flash from them years ago for my ddrum3. I'm the only person I know of who owns 28 meg cards. They have a very fast card with great specs that might work with our module and the price is right. Let's not let this thread die till we can find what we need. The original 4 gig card is just way to small.......Oh by the way......they now have class 16 cards. What's that all about?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on December 31, 2011, 09:27:37 AM

Hi,

same happened here when i was ordering my Sandisk card. Description and picture on amazon.de showed the old card but received the new HD-Video version.

My next card will be a Silicon Power 16GB or 32GB because it still looks promising and is available at the local computer store.

I also thought about the Toshiba card because i read they use SLC technology:

http://www.amazon.de/Toshiba-SDHC-Secure-Digital-Speicherkarte/dp/B003F127SY/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

I don't know if that makes a difference in speed because i think speed is more depending on the controller chip. But most consumer cards use MLC technology where industrial grades often use SLC. Looks like Toshiba is one of the very few manufacturers using SLC at consumer cards. Anyway, i read that only in descriptions at online shops but couldn't find a confirmation at Toshibas website.

The problem is really that you never know what you get with consumer cards. Even if the label and ordering number are the same there might be a different controller chip inside. The industrial grade cards are not really an option in terms of the price.

So i'm afraid the expensive trial and error continues.

Regards, Manfred
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on December 31, 2011, 05:32:35 PM
I was also a victim of the bait and switch. When my card arrived I took a gamble and opened it knowing full well that it wasn't what I had ordered.  I hoped that it was just a newer/ better model. No such luck...... I bought it from SF Planet on ebay. Where did you get your latest batch of cards from Jman? Let us know so we can cross them off our list also. I'm getiing pretty bummed out about this, as this quest for the holy grail is a very expensive proposition. The new Panasonic cards at BH Photo have supposedly blazing speeds, but are pricey. I'd gladly buy it no matter what the cost if I would be guaranteed it worked. There is a company called Pretec that makes cards. They used to even custom make stuff to spec. I bought a bunch of linear flash from them years ago for my ddrum3. I'm the only person I know of who owns 28 meg cards. They have a very fast card with great specs that might work with our module and the price is right. Let's not let this thread die till we can find what we need. The original 4 gig card is just way to small.......Oh by the way......they now have class 16 cards. What's that all about?


I just returned a set of the Extreme 32GB SDHC HD Video cards from Adorama Camera a few days back. They were the SDSDRX3-032G-A21 model. The ones that were misrepresented on the eBay picture that I am returning today were also the SDSDRX3-032G-A21 model. That auction is here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190616123216?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

There have been a couple other Extreme 32GB SDHC 30MB/s cards from Sandisk: Model: SDSDX3-032G-A31, SDSDX3-032G-X46, and I guess: SDSDX3-032G-P31
The problem with the Sandisk cards I bought that all work perfect: I bought them in June and Sept of 2011 from the same seller on eBay who has no more. They were new but loose and not in any packaging. The auction description did not specify what exact model they were. I do have an email into the seller to try and get more info. But even if he does have the exact model, it could be impossible to still find and buy the correct model now at all.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on December 31, 2011, 05:42:39 PM
Just to clarify .... All these Sandisk Extreme Cards (A21) and also the Extreme Pro card will work in the module and you will probably not even notice a problem on larger kits/files immediately ..... But if you play something like say a fast solo ... it will feel like you are screwing up after a little while on your timing ..... Latency.... the sounds can't keep up. You may get distorted pops, clicks ... you may not ... But the latency problem is there.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ytchi on December 31, 2011, 07:05:41 PM
Update 03/01/12  - I'll leave this post in for future reference, but the problem turns out to be caused by me not saving the kit after making a change. So, basically it was 'user error'. Again  :-[


**********************************************************************************

I have noticed latency using the stock SD card when playing fast stuff where multiple hits occur simultaneously. The easiest way to reproduce it is to play an even beat using all four limbs striking together - after a few hits I'll notice that one the notes plays slightly late and it'll keep happening at a random rate whilst the beat is continued.

The curious thing though is that it only seems to occur if I'm playing a kit that has been edited on the module, i.e., I've changed the snare sample or something. If I create that same kit with the swapped the snare using the PC editor and load it into the module it plays fine. It doesn't seem to matter if I'm using stock dsnd files or ones I've made although the non-stock ones do tend to be bigger which I think makes the problem more noticeable. Also, as far I can tell, making changes to any setting in the 'unit' screens doesn't cause the problem - only if I change stuff in the 'kit' pages.

I'm trying to work out exactly what's going on and some of what I've said may turn out to be incorrect but the basic problem is definitely there - latency with the stock 4gb card. I haven't altered the hardware in anyway.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fishmonkey on December 31, 2011, 09:57:38 PM
fragmentation on the card would affect access and transfer times...
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on January 12, 2012, 03:26:30 AM
OK Gang, we can add this one to the list. I researched lots of benchmarks, and assuming the Read Access time is important I went ahead and bought the Lexar 32GB Class 10 SDHC card as pictured. I copied all my files from my existing Sandisk Extreme card to the Lexar. When Firing up the 2Box module it loaded in almost identical time as the Extreme, maybe even a fraction of a second faster. No latency, lag time .... performs excellent, no problems .... So add this one to the list .... By the way, the benchmarks, (access time) is almost identical to the Silicon Power 32GB Class 10. So along with the other recommendation on the Silicon Power 32GB Class 10 we can now add the Lexar 32GB Class 10
I went ahead and edited my earlier post and added this pic.


(http://weblogimages.com/dajmando/$(KGrHqZ,!hwE6Gb0BttqBOwi)3OWgg~~60_1.jpg)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: duckers on January 12, 2012, 07:33:05 AM
Thats great news! Thanks Jman for all your effort in this critical area. Have you had time to do some extensive testing of the Lexar card? Does it work without pops and clicks even when you play fast solos with your huge custom dsnd kits?

Regards,

Duckers
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on January 12, 2012, 12:58:38 PM
Thats great news! Thanks Jman for all your effort in this critical area. Have you had time to do some extensive testing of the Lexar card? Does it work without pops and clicks even when you play fast solos with your huge custom dsnd kits?

Regards,

Duckers

I have only had a half hour or so testing ... but with the problem cards it has been apparent in just a few seconds when playing fast combos, and yes, playing the exact same kits/dsnds as I did when I noticed problems on the other cards .... I'm confident these are good. No lag, no clicks, pops, or problems! The other tell tale sign is the quick load time with these when you power up the module (at least that seems to be a pattern, as the cards that take longer to load have been the ones I have problems with) ..... these are a smidge faster from power up than the trusty batch of Extreme cards I have from earlier last year. I suppose it couldn't hurt to give it a few days of testing ... but I feel good about em .... J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ROB219 on January 13, 2012, 05:02:43 AM
Good stuff Jman, I picked up a Sandisk Class 10 32Gb (NOT the video one!) the other day and did the SD mod on my module as soon as I got it.

Came fitted with a class 10 4Gb card, so we'll see how it goes with the 32Gb in it.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Slap the drummer on January 13, 2012, 11:13:39 AM
fragmentation on the card would affect access and transfer times...

Yes, so I'm thinking if you've ended up adding files, deleting some, etc etc....
then it wd probably be a good idea to reformat the card (to blank it) from time to time
and then copy across your files again in one fresh batch.... ?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: 3drum on January 13, 2012, 12:07:45 PM
Yesterday I picked up the Lexmark card Jman recommended. Loaded up all my files and it works superbly!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on January 13, 2012, 03:11:33 PM
Good stuff Jman, I picked up a Sandisk Class 10 32Gb (NOT the video one!) the other day and did the SD mod on my module as soon as I got it.

Came fitted with a class 10 4Gb card, so we'll see how it goes with the 32Gb in it.
Those are very rare to find now ... you will probably be OK with that one... J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on January 13, 2012, 03:32:50 PM
Yes, so I'm thinking if you've ended up adding files, deleting some, etc etc....
then it wd probably be a good idea to reformat the card (to blank it) and then copy
across your files again in one fresh batch.... ?
I don't think that is a good idea. I'd stay away from reformatting if at all possible. It was mentioned earlier that the particular cards are formatted for their best performance from factory ...and  Deve Loper stated that defragmenting is not necessary....

a couple posts by Deve:


On Formatting
Quote
Hi.

My 32 GB SDHC card (which works perfectly) results in this when I use windows "chkdsk <drive>:" (<drive> being e or d or something):

The type of the file system is FAT32.
Volume Serial Number is FC30-3DA9
Windows is verifying files and folders...
File and folder verification is complete.
Windows has checked the file system and found no problems.
   32,410,624 KB total disk space.
   32,410,592 KB are available.

       32,768 bytes in each allocation unit.
    1,012,832 total allocation units on disk.
    1,012,831 allocation units available on disk.

1 allocation unit is used for the root folder (as it should).
Your Transcend might have different sizes, but it should look similar.
Reformatting a factory new card is not recommended, especially the clusters might not be allocated on erase block boundaries anymore. I thought the utility on the official SD card site would fix it, but I didn't test it extensively.

And yes, one of the reasons DrumIt doesn't support external cards is because of this kind of trouble.

and..... On Defragmenting:
Quote
Hi.
Defragmenting has no effect at all.
Also the speed class doesn't give the whole picture. The access time is extremely important but unfortunately hardly specified by sd card manufacturers.
Deve.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Slap the drummer on January 13, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
I don't think that is a good idea. I'd stay away from reformatting if at all possible. It was mentioned earlier that the particular cards are formatted for their best performance from factory ...and  Deve Loper stated that defragmenting is not necessary.... ]

Ah - I wasn't paying attention!  Good job I havn't taken my own advice yet.  :)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on January 13, 2012, 03:43:17 PM

Ah - I wasn't paying attention!  Good job I havn't taken my own advice yet.  :)



I just went through a crash course on SDHC cards over the last week or so (plus the hassle of purchasing and returning 4 cards)... researching every benchmark I could find on the net..... looking for some kind of indication or common thread for cards that seem to function well with the module .... hence I started looking pretty close at the little "golden nuggets" of Deve ;)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on January 13, 2012, 04:46:19 PM
Yesterday I picked up the Lexar card Jman recommended. Loaded up all my files and it works superbly!
Cool  8) Glad we finally have more options! I also have a second Lexar card (bought 2) and have tested both of them with the same results ...  :drum2:
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: SHwoKing on January 13, 2012, 05:27:23 PM
I wonder how many SD card you have Jman.

BTW, Lexmark seems the right choice. Thanks.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on January 14, 2012, 03:57:10 AM

BTW, Lexmark seems the right choice. Thanks.

That's LEXAR, not LEXMARK!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: edtc on January 14, 2012, 04:58:49 AM
That's LEXAR, not LEXMARK!

...Unless you want  to print with your module!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: roel on January 14, 2012, 10:32:03 AM
...Unless you want  to print with your module!

lol :)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ROB219 on January 18, 2012, 04:15:25 PM
Well my card came in... and it is the "Video" version. I rang the supplier right away and upped them for wrong description of goods!! I got them to check all their cards and they are all the video ones. :(

Anyway... I tried it out.... with 7.2GB being used on the card, it loads from switch on to system ready in 12 seconds.
My original card is OS ready in 4 seconds dead.

And it seems to play ok.
I am thinking the load time is actually the system checking SD size and not the OS access time. I mean, they're fast cards.
Why it would not play correctly could just come down to a combo of card size and file size. I am guessing here, but there must be a reason why these big cards are an issue.

I am actually going to get a 16GB card... it will be HEAPS for what I want and should have a good read/write speed. And they're heaps cheaper too.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fishmonkey on January 18, 2012, 11:35:52 PM
Quote
Defragmenting has no effect at all.
Deve.

i do not believe this is true as a blanket statement. any improvements might be modest, but a modest improvement may make the difference between glitches or no glitches, if your card is on the edge of being able to keep up.

since you have so many SD cards, you could run some scientific tests for us, heheh!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on January 19, 2012, 01:12:43 AM
I defragged cards that had the glitches, no effect, defragged cards that performed well and it made no noticable dif in the module.

And as far as Fast Cards .... I have bought Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB (45MB's and expensive), and it is sitting in the drawer as a backup, for file storage, because it doesn't perform as well as the Lexar. I've played side by side with the earlier Sandisk Extreme card without the HD Video label and the new HD Video .... supposedly the same speed .... The HD Video ones are off my list, and returned ... they perform completely different ... I have had other brands, no good... I went to Tom's hardware and brought up every test I could find ... Saw the Lexar, the Extreme (not HD Video) I had, and the Silicon Power card had the lowest Read Access times of any of the 32GB cards .... Whether that is just some accident that the cards I have now that work well with no glitches are the ones with the lowest read access time (and they all load much faster at start, 6 or 7 seconds instead of 12 or more seconds) ... at this point I know these work, so I've done all the testing I need to ... prolly spent over $700 along the way.... The Silicon Power card mentioned earlier has almost identical stats to the Lexar and has already been put on the list.... I don't have one .... but I'd feel confident buying that one too...

And many of the cards seem to play well ..... usually ..... they have to be loaded with a custom built kit that has some pretty hefty sized dsnds (the stock dsnds won't do it) .... playing a fast solo, 4 on the floor, will do it ... before the problems become evident ...

At any rate I have a half dozen cards now that work well, so I'm good for now ...
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on January 22, 2012, 12:39:44 AM

Hi,

startpost is updated with the Lexar Professional card.

I just came back from a business trip and found that Toshiba card in my postbox.

(http://www.njnj.de/bilder/Toshiba_SD.png)

Of course i tried it directly and it looks promising. Boot-time is about 4 seconds compared to 13s with the HD-Video card. Okay its just a 16GB card instead of 32GB but the boot time is less than a third. So i will use it and hope it proves to work.

Regards, Manfred
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on January 22, 2012, 02:33:50 AM
Hi,

startpost is updated with the Lexar Professional card.

I just came back from a business trip and found that Toshiba card in my postbox.

(http://www.njnj.de/bilder/Toshiba_SD.png)

Of course i tried it directly and it looks promising. Boot-time is about 4 seconds compared to 13s with the HD-Video card. Okay its just a 16GB card instead of 32GB but the boot time is less than a third. So i will use it and hope it proves to work.

Regards, Manfred

Looking forward to your findings Manfred! 8)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: eyerichards on February 04, 2012, 04:29:46 AM
Just tried out my recently purchased lexar pro 32gb card and..................Everything working perfectly!!!!  :rock:  Thank god for that! I'll be using it on the gig tonight so fingers crossed for smooth sailing. Taking old card just in case though.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: TheM@x on February 15, 2012, 11:54:10 AM
Any news on this topic? More succes stories?

Great job by the way, I saw on Android Fora that there are tools to messure and report Access Times.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ROB219 on February 18, 2012, 06:06:34 AM
Lexar 16Gb Professional SDHC Class 10 (133x / 20Mb/sec) can be added to the list, OS load in 2 seconds dead.  9Gb used on the card.

Runs like an absolute dream.... drum samples even sound better too.. if that be believed!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on February 18, 2012, 12:11:55 PM
Lexar 16Gb Professional SDHC Class 10 (133x / 20Mb/sec) can be added to the list, OS load in 2 seconds dead.  9Gb used on the card.

Runs like an absolute dream.... drum samples even sound better too.. if that be believed!


Thanks, start post is updated. Do you have a picture of the card? Does it look the same as the 32GB card?

Regards, Manfred

Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ytchi on February 18, 2012, 02:12:23 PM
I'm using the 8Gb version of the Lexar card with no problems. Yes, it looks the same as the 32Gb.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ROB219 on February 19, 2012, 01:45:42 AM

Thanks, start post is updated. Do you have a picture of the card? Does it look the same as the 32GB card?

Regards, Manfred

Sure Manfred:

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8MkaqFJ85YBAmamaslFaZ1jB15dRr772a6CKbF5f-6csp9nx1)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: TheM@x on February 19, 2012, 12:48:24 PM
Looks like the best card for the job. I have ordered the original 32Gb for 44 euros.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: signature on February 25, 2012, 01:31:44 PM
http://www.rubbermonkey.com.au/ProductImage/Large/11918.jpg

Silicon Power 32gb c10 works well, confirmed!

Aussie buyers check here... delivered as expected
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemID=607363
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: TheM@x on February 25, 2012, 05:28:31 PM
Just did the 32Gb conversion (Lexar Pro Class 10) with the SD card to SD cable, works perfectly.

Bada boem  :patbat2box:
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: twisted.mellow on February 26, 2012, 11:46:33 AM
Wow, those lexar cards kick ass! Module boots in about two seconds! Bought one the other day and no more sounds breaking up. I can't make it break!! Lexar professional class 10 ftw.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ROB219 on February 27, 2012, 08:06:53 AM
Wow, those lexar cards kick ass! Module boots in about two seconds! Bought one the other day and no more sounds breaking up. I can't make it break!! Lexar professional class 10 ftw.

They're FAST hey! Boots quicker with this card than the original.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on March 07, 2012, 03:16:21 AM
I know there will be some skeptics, but I have thoroughly tested one of the cheaper offerings - the Transcend 32GB card - and it works well.

(http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/images/P/TS32GSDHC10-01.jpg)

 
It's certainly slower to boot than the Lexar, but it performs well and some of the home-brew DSNDs that broke up on other cards held up well - even with multiple simultaneous hits on different instruments (I found tom 3 particularly latent and unclear with a Kingston card, for example).

And for anyone tempted, please avoid the Kingston - even a 16GB card struggled.
Top marks, however, still  go to the Lexar. Good find, Jman.

See warning below.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: twisted.mellow on March 07, 2012, 03:33:24 AM
Sorry to piddle on the parade Allan, but these are EXACTLY the cards I just sold and replaced with the Lexar Professionals... I thought there were perfect too, until I started adding many-layered-samples to each of my triggers (and you know how many triggers I've got :)). When I'm wailed on the kit these cards would break up the audio pretty badly.

And it's not a batch issue - I bought one of these off JMan and another locally. Initially, they were great. Subsequently however, they were letting me down. I'm not (im)patiently waiting for my second 16GB Lexar Professional to arrive :)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on March 07, 2012, 04:34:42 AM
Thanks Ian. That's exactly why we post on here - so that people who have had less than perfect experiences can prevent others from making poor purchases.
So folks, don't rush out for a Transcend.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: TEVE on March 12, 2012, 12:05:55 PM
hi to all.. what about this baby ?
(http://www.euroking.cz/imgThumbnailCustom1/373362.png)
Lexar SDHC Thin Box 32GB 400x Professional UHS-I
 i dont know if  2box is possible to read uhs-i technology ( much more faster 400x ) but anyway it should be compactible and i hope same quality , transfer and boot speed as Lexar 16Gb Professional SDHC Class 10 (133x / 20Mb/sec) if not even better ? what you think or any expirience with this card ?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lexar-32GB-Professional-UHS-I-Memory/dp/B006YAOPLK
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: davul on March 19, 2012, 09:19:57 AM
Hello everybody
I have got some problems connected with my Operational system.
Only 1.1 version is starting, but there are still some dsdn files that are not visible.
here are all the parameters:
OS 1.2 and 1,24 error
My SD card: Lexar Professional 32GB SDHC class 10 133x speed
Format: SDFormatter (Fat 32, 32K cluster)

thank you in advance and sorry for my english
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fishmonkey on March 19, 2012, 09:32:02 AM
did you have it working before, and now it has stopped working?

or are you just setting it up for the first time?

i don't remember the exact details, but the drumit.dkit file format changed between OS versions. perhaps you trying to load the drumit.dkit file from OS 1.1 using the newer OS?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: davul on March 20, 2012, 08:23:26 AM
thanks for your answer
I think its a problem occured during format process. Dsdn files just was disapearing in folders, and it had shown 1,5 GB more files then there were as a matter of fact (there were 3,5 GB samples on the original card). At the moment I succesfullly started the module with small amount dsnd files on it and using 1.24 version of OS (only) on the card.
Thanks a lot again, and sorry for my english.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on March 20, 2012, 03:45:09 PM
Really, really not a good idea to format these cards, they do NOT need to be formatted.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fishmonkey on March 20, 2012, 08:38:44 PM
if you have already formatted the card though, try again using the formatting program from here:

https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_3/
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: davul on March 23, 2012, 09:11:20 AM
to fishmonkey: yes indeed, I made format using this stuff

to jman: there was no way, the card was used in video camcorder and before i made format it couldn't be seen by 2box and windows too

The card is working strange: I have to copy system files first, then I have to copy sample files, Everything works right till I reach some capacity of files (about 2GB). For example: I load everything beside Cymbals folder and it works properly. When I copy Cymbals folder it becomes empty, the module can't see those samples. Windows can't see those Cymbals too, folder has 0 B, but capacity of the card is reduced by real capacity of this folder.

Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fishmonkey on March 23, 2012, 09:32:11 AM
apologies if this is a stupid question, but how are you accessing the card? do you have the card mounted in a card reader attached to your computer?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: davul on March 23, 2012, 10:00:25 AM
yes, mainly
http://www.modecom.pl/mc_-_cr107/wewnetrzne/czytniki_kart/peryferia/produkty/ (http://www.modecom.pl/mc_-_cr107/wewnetrzne/czytniki_kart/peryferia/produkty/)

I have also
netbook msi u100, notebook lenovo g550, multi card reader usb2.0
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on March 23, 2012, 05:22:45 PM
yes, mainly
http://www.modecom.pl/mc_-_cr107/wewnetrzne/czytniki_kart/peryferia/produkty/ (http://www.modecom.pl/mc_-_cr107/wewnetrzne/czytniki_kart/peryferia/produkty/)

I have also
netbook msi u100, notebook lenovo g550, multi card reader usb2.0
You might need to get a different card, I had a couple cards that did similar (not the new unformatted Lexar card, but other cards that wouldn't work unless formatted) ... I'd get things loaded to a certain point ... then checking the card afterwards they would disappear ... a new card solved it .... Also, I found there are lots of problems with various card readers ... I have a card reader in my PC that does weird things like what you mention and it is not old, but there are problems that have made it useless now for me .... probably conflicts between the card reader and my PC ..... I was planning on replacing that built in reader .... but then I have found just using a USB cable and a cheap card reader like this.... works great for me:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-USB-2-0-SDHC-SD-MMC-High-Speed-Memory-Card-Reader-Adapter-/270907552012?pt=PCC_Drives_Storage_Internal&hash=item3f1359310c
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: davul on March 26, 2012, 08:36:09 AM
unfortunately, this card can't be started, i resigned after the low format process is done. Are there the same problems with low capacity cards?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on March 27, 2012, 03:54:41 AM
unfortunately, this card can't be started, i resigned after the low format process is done. Are there the same problems with low capacity cards?
Not sure what is causing you problems, but I just got 2 more of the same new Lexar 32GB cards and filled them with files, about 25GB worth on each one and they are working fine in my card extender plugged into the module ...
 
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: davul on March 27, 2012, 08:37:40 AM
ok, thank you all for your attention and time, i will buy another nonformated card soon, end of story
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on April 22, 2012, 08:50:30 AM
Anyone looking for a Lexar 32GB card in Oz, there's currently free shipping here: http://www.crazysales.com.au/lexar-32gb-sdhc-hd-card.html (http://www.crazysales.com.au/lexar-32gb-sdhc-hd-card.html).
I bought mine there (not free shipping) and it was perfect.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: MarkuZ on April 28, 2012, 10:50:04 AM
I have this Transcend 32GB Class 10 and noticed the latency problems with it.
(http://www.dwidigitalcameras.com.au/images/catalog/Transcend32GBSD.jpg)
http://www.dwidigitalcameras.com.au/images/catalog/Transcend32GBSD.jpg

I will buy the lexar now!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Drama on April 30, 2012, 04:32:25 PM
I am using the Transcend 32GB SDHC Card. It is working perfectly! But it is NOT the Class10, it's the Class4 (!) Version.
With the Silicon 32 GB Class10 SDHC-Card I had have a lot of latency-Problems!

=> So, it is very important, which Chip is used in the Card. Unfortunately no one can give You an answer to this question.

=> So, buy any Card and try it out! :)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fishmonkey on May 01, 2012, 09:07:40 PM
I am using the Transcend 32GB SDHC Card. It is working perfectly! But it is NOT the Class10, it's the Class4 (!) Version.
With the Silicon 32 GB Class10 SDHC-Card I had have a lot of latency-Problems!

=> So, it is very important, which Chip is used in the Card. Unfortunately no one can give You an answer to this question.

=> So, buy any Card and try it out! :)

one possible explanation for this is that the Class 10 version of the Transcend card may be improving it's transfer speeds by simply using a bigger buffer, which in turn increases access latency. better cards won't sacrifice access times to increase raw transfer speeds.

unfortunately, one can't even guarantee that two of the exact same model card will have the same performance, since the SD card speed ratings only specify minimum transfer speeds, not access times.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on May 01, 2012, 09:43:15 PM

With the Silicon 32 GB Class10 SDHC-Card I had have a lot of latency-Problems!


That doesn't sound very good. Start post updated accordingly....

Regards, Manfred
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on May 01, 2012, 09:58:50 PM
I now have my doubts about the Sandisk Extreme 32GB HD Video card being the same as the card that I have been using..... the one I have pictured in my above post. Here is why: I bought a new pair of the Sandisk Extreme 32GB HD Video cards as pictured in Manfred's post. I am building new dsnds right now from a new SD pack I purchased. So, I loaded my previous dsnds plus my new dsnds and copied all the important files to the new card. When testing it out .... and I tested over and over for hours .... I had latency problems and distorted clicks, pops etc ... from the new cards.... I then took my old cards and loaded all the exact same files on them and they play perfect! My new cards were in factory sealed packaging and were from a very reputable retailer, Adorama Camera. When I turn the module on with the HD Video type cards it takes approx. 14 seconds for everything to load ... ready to play. When I turn on the module with my older style card it takes approx. 7 seconds to load. This leads me to believe an important thing is different ... Access time..... lower access time is something Deve Loper mentioned as being very important to the 2Box module.

Now, I don't know if all the HD Video cards are the same, or if some are actually different models with new labeling applied ..... or if I got a bad batch ..... But I do know the ones I returned to Adorama today did not perform equivalent to my current ones I am using.

I have ordered a couple new cards which the retailer assured me are NOT the HD Video type and are the type I want..... I will report back after I receive and test the new cards, J
well i havent checked this thread for a while. i have the exact same card you have mate. mine is also filled with many dsnds etc. it also takes 14 seconds to load.

BUT i never noticed latency issues or clicks pops etc.
perhaps i am lucky. perhaps because i am not using self made dsnds but only the dsnds 2box has made, i have no problems. i wish i am not forced in the future to change the card. but right now i am satisfied 100%
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on May 02, 2012, 02:58:08 AM
well i havent checked this thread for a while. i have the exact same card you have mate. mine is also filled with many dsnds etc. it also takes 14 seconds to load.

BUT i never noticed latency issues or clicks pops etc.
perhaps i am lucky. perhaps because i am not using self made dsnds but only the dsnds 2box has made, i have no problems. i wish i am not forced in the future to change the card. but right now i am satisfied 100%
I still have a three of the Sandisk Extreme 32GB cards (the ones that DO NOT say HD Video) and they are fine, but every other one I tried with the HD Video on the label had problems. I have a half dozen of the Lexar 32GB cards I posted pics of earlier and they all work perfect. Latency problems may not become apparent on the stock 2Box kits, but when adding a little larger custom built dsnds the rubber meets the road so to speak.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on May 02, 2012, 05:05:23 AM
feckin hell.... so if i decide to get a goood new sd crd. do we have a safe link to buy, that the cards are good? what is their price range now? hell, again i have to spend money....
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on May 02, 2012, 04:56:48 PM
since now my mind is set to buying a  new sd card, is the lexmark the cheapest but best and most secure option? as long as it says 133x?
i found 2 links
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Lexar-32GB-Professional-133X-Speed-SDHC-Memory-Card-Class-10-20MB-S-NEW-/150778451354?pt=DE_Foto_Camcorder_Speicherkarten&hash=item231b18959a

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lexar-32GB-32G-Professional-SD-SDHC-Card-133x-Class-10-/150589279616?pt=Digital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item230fd20d80

are they both what i need? thanx
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on May 02, 2012, 06:25:26 PM
since now my mind is set to buying a  new sd card, is the lexmark the cheapest but best and most secure option? as long as it says 133x?
i found 2 links
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Lexar-32GB-Professional-133X-Speed-SDHC-Memory-Card-Class-10-20MB-S-NEW-/150778451354?pt=DE_Foto_Camcorder_Speicherkarten&hash=item231b18959a

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lexar-32GB-32G-Professional-SD-SDHC-Card-133x-Class-10-/150589279616?pt=Digital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item230fd20d80

are they both what i need? thanx
Yes the ones pictured in your links are the same type as I have been using. I am a little concerned about how much longer those type of Lexar cards will be available, like the other brands Lexar has now come out with new models with new labeling. So I think this model will start to become extinct just like the way the Sandisk Extreme cards changed.... Might be time for me to stock up when I get some extra $$$
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on May 02, 2012, 09:06:33 PM
this means i will have to buy one soon. i will do it. thanx jman
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: MarkuZ on May 09, 2012, 03:11:40 PM
Today my Lexar 32Gb has arrived and it works absolutely fine ;D.
No latency problems anymore!!!

I bought it here : http://www.ebay.de/itm/Lexar-32GB-Professional-133X-Speed-SDHC-Memory-Card-Class-10-20MB-S-NEW-/150778451354?pt=DE_Foto_Camcorder_Speicherkarten&hash=item231b18959a

9days of delivery to germany an no extra costs (shipping, taxes).

Regards MarkuZ
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on May 09, 2012, 03:41:34 PM
thank you mate, i will buy also from this guyy
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Drumaster on May 14, 2012, 01:34:17 PM
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on May 14, 2012, 04:26:07 PM
I have this Transcend 32GB Class 10 and noticed the latency problems with it.
(http://www.dwidigitalcameras.com.au/images/catalog/Transcend32GBSD.jpg)
http://www.dwidigitalcameras.com.au/images/catalog/Transcend32GBSD.jpg

I will buy the lexar now!
Yes, I didn't notice the latency problems with the Transcend Class 10 32GB immediately, but did discover it eventually. That is what led to my search and eventually the Lexar.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Drumaster on May 14, 2012, 08:05:04 PM
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on May 16, 2012, 09:03:39 PM
Lexar has just launched a new 600x version of its Professional SD range.
(http://www.lexar.com/files/imagecache/product_thumbnail/SDHC_32GB_600x-PNG.png)
RRP is $169. Obviously, it is not yet tested for 2box, so this is just a heads-up. It probably also means the current stock of cards may soon be running out.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Baby Samus on May 16, 2012, 09:55:13 PM
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on May 16, 2012, 11:50:19 PM
Lexar has just launched a new 600x version of its Professional SD range.
(http://www.lexar.com/files/imagecache/product_thumbnail/SDHC_32GB_600x-PNG.png)
RRP is $169. Obviously, it is not yet tested for 2box, so this is just a heads-up. It probably also means the current stock of cards may soon be running out.
Yeah, and they have another relabeled Class 10 card UHS-1, not expensive .... but .... :
(http://weblogimages.com/dajmando/Lexar%2032GB%20UHS-1.jpg)

I had posted about that a week or 2 back in answer to someone's question looking for a Lexar card. So, as you say, the old style will start to disappear and all bets are off with the new ones. If it is like the Sandisk Extreme cards when they changed to the UHS-1 labels those were a no go.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Baby Samus on May 17, 2012, 12:00:34 AM
I think we'll be okay in this case, as these are a new class of cards from Class 10 SDHC and as such I would expect them to continue to manufacture the 'normal' x133 class 10 cards.  The Sandisk Extreme thing is a bit different as they rebranded - so not so much a new class as they possibly changed the silicon underneath to cut costs (which might explain the lower performance you've mentioned) and did a rebrand if that makes sense.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on May 17, 2012, 12:19:52 PM
Hi guys, I bought one of Tony's extender cables via ebay and looking now to a Class 10 SDHC. JMan's approved cards seems to become obsolete ... what do I exactly have to look for? Is x133 speed, class 10 sufficient? 
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on May 17, 2012, 01:07:40 PM
Hi guys, I bought one of Tony's extender cables via ebay and looking now to a Class 10 SDHC. JMan's approved cards seems to become obsolete ... what do I exactly have to look for? Is x133 speed, class 10 sufficient?
As these are still available I would suggest picking it up. If you read this thread you can see that it is not something you can choose based on stats alone. IE, you really have to try cards out in the module to determine what works.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lexar-LSD32GCRBNA133-32GB-133x-SD-SDHC-memory-card-Class10-High-Speed-32-GB-NEW-/130653140147?pt=Digital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item1e6b88b4b3
UPDATE!Since this link .... these prooved to be fake .... and we posted on this. But we lost a months worth of posts when the host crashed ...... So again .... Do NOT buy this. Look for ones in original package. Look for ones that they show the picture of them in the original package and say the card is sealed in original pkg.  
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on May 17, 2012, 01:55:33 PM
Thank you Jman, bought that card.  :animal:
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on May 18, 2012, 02:38:20 AM
Thank you Jman, bought that card.  :animal:
You're welcome  8) ..... Personally I worry that with the constant improvements and changes in SDHC cards we will still be able to find New cards that will work well with the 2Box module within a year or 2. That's one of the reasons I've bought quite a few, since I know these work.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Baby Samus on May 18, 2012, 04:02:25 AM
You're welcome  8) ..... Personally I worry that with the constant improvements and changes in SDHC cards we will still be able to find New cards that will work well with the 2Box module within a year or 2. That's one of the reasons I've bought quite a few, since I know these work.

Amen to that.  Can't hurt to stock up.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on May 18, 2012, 05:49:19 AM
Amen to that.  Can't hurt to stock up.
Unless, of course, they discount the hell out of the Lexar cards when they discontinue them ::)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: puttenvr on May 18, 2012, 06:21:51 AM
summary: working with non-2box cards is possible, but can take you into some problems, varying results and can cost you a lot of money. Perhaps it's better to make some choices which sounds you load and which ones not.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on May 18, 2012, 06:22:45 AM
You're welcome  8) ..... Personally I worry that with the constant improvements and changes in SDHC cards we will still be able to find New cards that will work well with the 2Box module within a year or 2. That's one of the reasons I've bought quite a few, since I know these work.

Or 2-Box improves the Brains hardware interfacing. Any clue if the IO controller controlling the memory is flash as well?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on May 18, 2012, 01:29:01 PM
Or 2-Box improves the Brains hardware interfacing. Any clue if the IO controller controlling the memory is flash as well?
Not sure on that. I do know that they really go above and beyond at 2Box as far as support though....  Offering us new OS updates and improvements over and over. So I don't expect them to abandon us in the future! 8) I've been sooooo impressed by their continued support of the Drummit Five in the years after it's release..... while many other companies abandon new updates in favor of selling a new module or kit, 2Box has improved their current kit, offered improved sounds, loop libraries, etc..... over, and over! :patbat2box:
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Baby Samus on May 19, 2012, 12:36:51 AM
Or 2-Box improves the Brains hardware interfacing. Any clue if the IO controller controlling the memory is flash as well?

I would imagine accepting higher rates of throughput (UHS Class 1) on the current SD socket would require installing an upgraded SD socket, I doubt this is a change that could be made through flashing a rom chip or an O/S update.  It is possible in theory if the module's SD slot is SDXC compatible, but I doubt it is considering the USB port isn't even v2.0  :-[.

SDXC also uses exFAT rather than FAT32 file system, so that may also be an issue as the 2Box uses FAT32 right?  I think exFAT is required to read above the 32GB limit of FAT32, hence the larger card sizes possible with SDXC.

So in short I doubt this can be done, but if the module is to change in any way, I cannot see any good argument as to why they would not just install a 30gb or 60gb SSD.  Add USB 2.0 or 3.0, all problems solved  :animal:.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on May 19, 2012, 06:37:36 AM
I would imagine accepting higher rates of throughput (UHS Class 1) on the current SD socket would require installing an upgraded SD socket, I doubt this is a change that could be made through flashing a rom chip or an O/S update.  It is possible in theory if the module's SD slot is SDXC compatible, but I doubt it is considering the USB port isn't even v2.0  :-[.

SDXC also uses exFAT rather than FAT32 file system, so that may also be an issue as the 2Box uses FAT32 right?  I think exFAT is required to read above the 32GB limit of FAT32, hence the larger card sizes possible with SDXC.

So in short I doubt this can be done, but if the module is to change in any way, I cannot see any good argument as to why they would not just install a 30gb or 60gb SSD.  Add USB 2.0 or 3.0, all problems solved  :animal:.

It is a long time since I was involved in the actual components and your reply makes a lot of sense. We may expect a Brain MkII sooner or later. However, our Brain is still up to it's tasks.  :D
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Drumaster on May 19, 2012, 05:13:52 PM
SD extension mod complete with a 32GB 133x Lexar pro! Works flawlessly (only tested stock kits so far), no latencies! So convenient to have the card in an external slot and so comfortable to have 32GB. :D

Thanks for your helpful posts guys!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Manfred on May 20, 2012, 09:56:22 AM
Or 2-Box improves the Brains hardware interfacing. Any clue if the IO controller controlling the memory is flash as well?

Hi,

no, its not flash but hardware. At least my module uses an Atmel AT91SAM9261CJ which has the interface for SD cards included. So in that regard there won't be an update unless the really change hardware. However, i think the transfer rate is not crucial. The original card of my module is "only" class 6.

If the transfer rate is too low i would expect interrupted sounds but i never experienced/heard about that. In terms of latency there are obviously other parameters like any kind of access time or whatever. I don't know what it is and even if it doesn't help. Those parameters are usually not available for cards of consumer grade. There are also industrial grade cards with better datasheets but at a much higher price.

So the only thing we can do is try and hope that the vendor doesn't change anything once we found a "good" card. Unfortunately these consumer cards are changed from time to time without any change of the labelling.

Regards, Manfred


PS. The USB interface is 2.0 compatible but only low speed (1.5MBit/s) and full speed (12MBit/s).  So this won't be updated too.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on June 03, 2012, 11:26:49 PM
I recently ordered a PNY "Professional" 32GB card and the vendor sent me a "High Speed" version instead. I can't find the High Speed version on the PNY website and have contacted the company for an explanation. Not sure if the HS is faster or slower than the Professional as the description of both is 133x write speed and Read Performance: Up to 20 MB/s.
However, the card loads really quickly (9 seconds compared to 8 with the Lexar and about 14 with a Transcend). To date, I have not had any break-up, even using very densely sampled home-brew DSNDs, but do sense a very, very slight latency lag - or maybe I'm just imagining it.
I will keep on testing, but it would be great if someone else had a go as well - especially since these cost about half as much as the Lexars. At worst, it would be a good back-up card to store DSNDs.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Drama on June 06, 2012, 11:23:35 PM
I think there is nobody at 2Box who will do further improvements :(
It seems the 2Box has reached End-Of-Development-State.
Just take a look at the Release-Dates of the Firmwares ...
then You will know how often they are making improvements.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fishmonkey on June 07, 2012, 05:09:59 AM
what? 2 Box have released many firmware updates with not only bug fixes but extra functionality. you can't reasonably expect them to release new firmware every month or so.
Title: Lexar 32GB SDHC 133X cards soon to be EXTINCT
Post by: Jman on July 01, 2012, 06:50:39 PM
Just thought I'd mention to those who are conciderring getting the 32GB Lexar card that I have posted in this thread ..... They are fast becoming extinct. This is the natural progression of events. It isn't very easy to find the ideal card and once found within a few months the company will put out the next better, faster series .... and that faster series doesn't mean it will work better or work well with the 2Box module. There are still a few of the cards out there in retail packaging (the only way I would recommend purchasing) but they are quickly becoming extinct.

Still quite a few of the 16GB version of the same card too, but again those will go away also.

I won't be the Guinea pig for finding the next card that is ideal for the module since I have managed to get enough cards for myself to last me quite a while .... so someone else will need to "take one for the team!" ;D Clue:  Read Access Time (the lowest) is a critical yet rarely posted spec important to low latency play for our modules.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on July 01, 2012, 07:01:35 PM
Thank you for showing the way, JMan. The Lexar is a great card, boottime is less then 6 seconds on my rig, however, up to now less then 7 GB in use.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on July 01, 2012, 08:59:28 PM
Thank you for showing the way, JMan. The Lexar is a great card, boottime is less then 6 seconds on my rig, however, up to now less then 7 GB in use.

Glad it is working for you Murgen .... I wish they would keep putting out these cards! I did speak a little prematurely though about not taking one for the team again .... after my last post I did a little more research and noticed the Pretec SDHC Class16 (32GB, Class16) has Read Access specs almost as good as the Lexar ....
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-sd-cards/Read-Access-Time-h2benchw-3.16,2700.html
hard to tell if it will be a good one, but I ordered a couple to try for myself  :)

UPDATE: The Pretec card above is no good for us!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on July 02, 2012, 01:30:43 AM
For those having trouble locating Lexars, I am continuing to get good performance from PNY "Professional" 32GB card (although mine is labeled "High Speed"). The Australian distributor claims these are the same cards - just different labels.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: waxdass on September 25, 2012, 08:35:22 AM
I found a Lexar in Duty Free Dubai - bought one for around $50 US.
I'll be testing it within the next few weeks when I decide to open up the module.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on September 25, 2012, 01:45:58 PM
We lost quite a few posts about the compatible cards when the site crashed. We have run into a lot of Fake Lexar cards. The safest way to buy them now is in a Sealed Factory package. And look for a real photo of the package if possible.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: tower of p on October 26, 2012, 01:12:10 PM
Just to clarify .... All these Sandisk Extreme Cards (A21) and also the Extreme Pro card will work in the module and you will probably not even notice a problem on larger kits/files immediately ..... But if you play something like say a fast solo ... it will feel like you are screwing up after a little while on your timing ..... Latency.... the sounds can't keep up. You may get distorted pops, clicks ... you may not ... But the latency problem is there.

Hey Jman,

I have that same problem you described above with my internal (non-mod) 4gb-card: if I play fast doublebass together with fast ride-cymbal-stuff and snare/toms, I hera the sounds I hit a little laid back. Not that much, but enough to get confused while playing. (yes, I'm sure it's not my timing in THIS case...;)

is there anyone who experienced that as well?

By the way, JMan, you're doing a really great job here, I really benefited from lots of your posts here already. Thanks so much!!

cheers,
ToP
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: tower of p on October 26, 2012, 01:14:53 PM
argh, I just saw in another post that maybe I forgot to save after making changes... I'll sort that out...
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on November 16, 2012, 12:00:27 AM
For those having trouble locating Lexars, I am continuing to get good performance from PNY "Professional" 32GB card (although mine is labeled "High Speed"). The Australian distributor claims these are the same cards - just different labels.

By Allan's recommendation I purchased one of these and received it today. It loads and performs just about identical to the Lexar cards I have been using and recommending. This PNY works quite well. And as a bonus they are very reasonably priced! I definitely recommend this as well as the Lexar I mentioned earlier for the 2Box module mod! The card is the one pictured below. PNY Professional 32GB SDHC Class 10 20MB/s (133X)

(http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag19/JmanWord/PNYProfessional32GBSDHCpkg_zpsbf806174.png) (http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/JmanWord/media/PNYProfessional32GBSDHCpkg_zpsbf806174.png.html)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on November 24, 2012, 08:27:07 PM
For those in the US. I picked up a couple of the PNY cards as in my post above today at my local Best Buy. They have them for $19.99 for the Black Friday weekend. J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: RockStarGate on December 01, 2012, 04:17:14 PM
For those in the US. I picked up a couple of the PNY cards as in my post above today at my local Best Buy. They have them for $19.99 for the Black Friday weekend. J

Damn....I missed that sale....they are $80 at Best Buy now.. :o
I did recieve a email from Best Buy today and they have the 16gb Lexar cards on sale for $15.99. I've still been using the stock 4gb card with my SD mod but I'm going to pick up a couple of these today!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on December 01, 2012, 04:29:41 PM
Damn....I missed that sale....they are $80 at Best Buy now.. :o
I did recieve a email from Best Buy today and they have the 16gb Lexar cards on sale for $15.99. I've still been using the stock 4gb card with my SD mod but I'm going to pick up a couple of these today!

You can pick these up on line for under $30 right now:
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Flash-Memory-Card-P-SDHC32G10-AZ/dp/B004WZJXDE
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: RockStarGate on December 01, 2012, 07:31:25 PM
You can pick these up on line for under $30 right now:
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Flash-Memory-Card-P-SDHC32G10-AZ/dp/B004WZJXDE

Thanks Jman....just bought 2 of the 16's from Best Buy.  Figured I'd put my studio kits on one and live kits on the other.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on January 23, 2013, 11:03:43 PM
hey guys, now that we will all soon have many many many dsnds, with sdse, is there ny 64 gb sd card (or even more) that we can use?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on January 30, 2013, 01:17:37 AM
my girl will be in new york in march. so since i will have tons of dsnds and my 32gb card is almost full i was thinking to buy a new one. the cheapest is the pny right now?
ill not order yet so if anyone has any news please do tell us
By Allan's recommendation I purchased one of these and received it today. It loads and performs just about identical to the Lexar cards I have been using and recommending. This PNY works quite well. And as a bonus they are very reasonably priced! I definitely recommend this as well as the Lexar I mentioned earlier for the 2Box module mod! The card is the one pictured below. PNY Professional 32GB SDHC Class 10 20MB/s (133X)

(http://weblogimages.com/dajmando/PNY%2032GB%20SDHC%20133X.jpg)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on January 30, 2013, 03:04:17 AM
hey guys, now that we will all soon have many many many dsnds, with sdse, is there ny 64 gb sd card (or even more) that we can use?
I don't think the card extender supports 64Gb.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on February 07, 2013, 09:51:08 PM
thanx guys. i have made my mind to get the pny card, probabaly when my girl comes to the us. i was looking at the german amazon site and came  to these pages

http://www.amazon.de/PNY-32GB-SDHC-Karte-Class/dp/B004MWTXM8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1360273054&sr=8-3

http://www.amazon.de/PNY-Elite-UHS-1-ultra-speed/dp/B0075D1V0I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360273054&sr=8-1

the first one seems to be the one jman is taklking about right? the one that workjs flawlessly.

the second one seems better, faster, but idunno will it work with our brain? of course i wont risk and get the newer one, ill bet on the sure things. ill probably buy it from the us, but just in case i cant find it over there in a month, i wanted to see what other options i have. cheers
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on February 08, 2013, 12:07:55 AM
BA, faster is not always better because read time is the important thing here. The first one is what many of us have found to work. I don't think anyone has tried the second one. So, either stick to what you know works or "take one of the team" and try the second one. When I bought my first PNY card, I had no idea it would work. If it didn't, I planned to just use it for something else.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on February 08, 2013, 12:27:41 AM
The X factor in this is how all these memory cards are constantly changing even within the same models .... and model numbers being discontinued or being replaced by the next batch or next model. So, hence our continual search for the next card for the module. When I was at NAMM Bengt mentioned he had a good dependable source on memory cards he uses in the modules and can count on them to stay consistent. I'll have to drop him a line and see if he can help lead us on our quest, that'd be cool  8) .... J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on February 08, 2013, 12:33:48 AM
thank you guys for your advice !!!! wish i could take one for theteam, but unfortunately the way things are in greece, id be lucky just to have the cheap 32 card for a back up (i do need it so much since i will load all the drumless songs i need in there
thanx guys for the advice!!!!

Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on February 19, 2013, 03:13:58 PM
The X factor in this is how all these memory cards are constantly changing even within the same models .... and model numbers being discontinued or being replaced by the next batch or next model. So, hence our continual search for the next card for the module. When I was at NAMM Bengt mentioned he had a good dependable source on memory cards he uses in the modules and can count on them to stay consistent. I'll have to drop him a line and see if he can help lead us on our quest, that'd be cool  8) .... J

Any follow-up on this, please :)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on February 19, 2013, 11:15:11 PM
Any follow-up on this, please :)
The list of compatible cards is still the same for now. But, I do expect to be testing another card. I'll let ya know if/when I find out more. J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on February 20, 2013, 08:24:00 AM
The list of compatible cards is still the same for now. But, I do expect to be testing another card. I'll let ya know if/when I find out more. J

Hi JMAn, I was hoping Bengt would have shared his secrets with you regarding his supplier(s).  ;D
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on February 20, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
Hi JMAn, I was hoping Bengt would have shared his secrets with you regarding his supplier(s).  ;D
I know what you meant .... I sent you a PM  ;)  .... J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on February 20, 2013, 03:38:35 PM
I know what you meant .... I sent you a PM  ;)  .... J

Thank you.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on February 20, 2013, 03:47:29 PM
Current prices:

- Lexar Professional 32GB SDHC class 10 133x speed = 74,95 EUR

http://www.foka.nl/site/lexar-sdhc-32gb-professional-133x-class-10-p-28868.html


- PNY Professional 32GB SDHC Class 10 20MB/s (133X) = 32,99 EUR

http://www.conrad.nl/ce/nl/product/415240/PNY-SD-geheugenkaart-32-GB-Class-10

I just ordered a PNY@Conrad as spare for my Lexar.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: OldNoob on February 21, 2013, 10:38:48 AM
Hey guys.

Been thinking a bit.
Anyone tried to use something like http://www.cyberphoto.se/info.php?article=SD32GBTC10WIFI

A wifi enabled card could be accessed without using the usb cable, and without adding an
extender cable. 32 gigs should be plenty of space for all the kits I would want, I think.
Card SHOULD be fast enough for the drum module?

Seems attractive to me, but I thought I'd ask if anyone tried it before spending a lot of cash on a card.

<edit: Addendum - I know the write speed is rather poor (10-11 MB/s), but the read speed is good (Above 20), which is what should matter, right? >
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on February 21, 2013, 11:51:10 AM
http://www.eye.fi/products

The only way to figure out is to test.

Just take in account that it is not just the wifi but also the response time of your PC or Mac.

I also wonder how it should work. I image the wifi replaces the datacable. Just like the brain camera's have a dedicated datatransfer mode. And then the brain will not controll the pads.

We should look for a wifi-card that works as accesspoint.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: OldNoob on February 21, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
http://www.eye.fi/products

The only way to figure out is to test.

Just take in account that it is not just the wifi but also the response time of your PC or Mac.

I also wonder how it should work. I image the wifi replaces the datacable. Just like the brain camera's have a dedicated datatransfer mode. And then the brain will not controll the pads.

We should look for a wifi-card that works as accesspoint.

The Transcend does work as an accesspoint if you set it up like that. You can also set it up as 'internet mode' to be a part of your already existing network... the apps is geared for images though, and I can't seem to find any info if you would be able to simply mount it as a network drive.

My thought is tossing it into the 2box, configure it to be part of my network and try to access it as a a network drive. That would be suh-weeeeeet! Trying to find out more about it...

Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: tower of p on February 21, 2013, 01:45:46 PM

<edit: Addendum - I know the write speed is rather poor (10-11 MB/s), but the read speed is good (Above 20), which is what should matter, right? >

In this post (reply 13) jman writes about the acces time of sd-cards: http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php?topic=1136.0 (http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php?topic=1136.0)

so it´s not only about read and write speed.

I have no idea how these wifi-cards work...

cheers
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on February 21, 2013, 02:00:58 PM
It is worth trying. I was also looking for a SSD-drive with a SD-interface. Then you can hook up a full swing SSD-drive. Would solve all issues :)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: tower of p on February 21, 2013, 02:09:41 PM
It is worth trying.

It definitely is!

 :)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on March 02, 2013, 08:17:11 PM
PNY Professional X 64 GB High Speed SDXC CL10 UHS-1 Rated Flash Memory (P-SDX64U1-30-GE)
anyone got a chance to check these?
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Professional-Speed-Memory-P-SDX64U1-30-GE/dp/B007JR9RNS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1362255919&sr=8-2&keywords=pny64gb

64gb card!!! wish i knew it works

edit
i just found out there are also 128gb cards out. but. (copy paste from pny site)

 Please verify that your device supports SDXC cards. SDXC cards are not compatible with SD or SDHC host devices and card readers, and will only work on SDXC host devices. Check with your device manufacturer to see if it supports SDXC.


so if i am guessing correctly, these wont do for 2box right?

edit 2
i just found out that there are many sdxc cards. there are even 256 gb  sdxc cards. yes you read correctly. the 64gb pny card is under 100 dollars. problem is that it is statedthat the host must be sdxc compatible. so since this must be a new technology, i guess we cant use them right? oh well
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Haggis-man on March 03, 2013, 09:42:11 AM
Hi John,

I think the maximum size supported by 2box is 32Gb, but I may be wrong.

Cheers
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on March 03, 2013, 09:48:19 AM
thanx brian!!! cheers
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on March 04, 2013, 11:56:48 AM
is there any other us xheap store that sells the pny cards? my girl pisses me off, she is late in sending me the address she is staying and the price has increased 10 dollars!!!. now i find it cheaper in europe....
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on March 04, 2013, 04:33:39 PM
is there any other us xheap store that sells the pny cards? my girl pisses me off, she is late in sending me the address she is staying and the price has increased 10 dollars!!!. now i find it cheaper in europe....
Best Buy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PNY+-+32GB+Secure+Digital+High+Capacity+(SDHC)+Class+10+Memory+Card/2300602.p;jsessionid=BD05029BFB97A304769F8353D7BC6C87.bbolsp-app04-57?id=1218318851702&skuId=2300602
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on March 04, 2013, 09:19:23 PM
thanx my friend!!!!!!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on March 12, 2013, 10:45:16 AM
i am doomed. please someone help. i ordered the pny card and it just came in, i bought it from german amazon. seller was supoposed to be pny
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B004MWTXM8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
all i got is not the original packaging and the card is blue and not black like in the photos. there is definitelly something fishy going on here...is it supposed to be blue? please guys tell me. i am filling it up with samples to test but i am sure there will be problem... why am i so unlucky what the hell...anyone has returned any items from amazon?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on March 12, 2013, 11:19:26 AM
as expected, it wont even load. ill use thesd formatter tool and reply again what happened though my expectations are low. anyway, i will return this as i paid for a retail item and all i got is no package. why to me .its the second time i am so angry
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on March 12, 2013, 11:29:05 AM
the card is blue and not black like in the photos. there is definitelly something fishy going on here...is it supposed to be blue?
I've got a couple of blue ones and they're totally legit.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on March 12, 2013, 11:36:26 AM
i wish mine is also alan, but i have my doubts. i will tell when i test it later today. thing is that you got yours in retail package right? mine was not... i loaded it and i got errors, i can tell it takes too long to load the samples (45 minutes, what the hell) etc etc. i will tell soon how it performs but i am not positive...
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on March 12, 2013, 12:13:37 PM
Mine is from Conrad, blue and required the special format program. Now it works well.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on March 12, 2013, 05:36:08 PM
ok i formatted it, i created a kit with the biggest dsnds i had, and it played well i didnt notice any lag. so i guess it is official card and i was wrongly concerned. nevertheless i paid for the genuine thing, if i didnt want a retail package i could have gotten it cheaper. i wont complain to them but i hate it... thank you all guys!!!

ps. strange thing was that all files were copied except one. the biggest of the crashes i had and had to copy it separately. dunno why but all is well. thank you
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on May 07, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
I hate to make this a little teaser, but I am busy, busy right now. So I will just post a pic of a row of SDHC cards that I have had in my possession. Every one of these cards work excellent with the 2Box module. Some you see already on the list, some are not on the compatibility list yet, some are getting harder to find, some like the SanDisk Extreme in the pic have either changed from the originals and no longer work, or are highly counterfeited now and not worth the trouble to buy. Allan (Digitaldrummer) and myself have compared notes on some of these. What I can say is besides a max of 1 second dif in the boot up time of the cards in the pic .... every one works excellent with no noticeable dif in performance playing even very large dsnd kits from the module.

Special thanks to Bengt for loaning me the ATP cards you see in the pic ....
https://files.secureserver.net/0sSq5wxrisHB7v (https://files.secureserver.net/0sSq5wxrisHB7v)
Bengt/2Box .... What a great guy, what a great company.

Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on May 07, 2013, 03:13:54 AM
Thanx and yay on your statement!  :rock:
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: juan on June 29, 2013, 12:00:36 AM
I think MAYBE this one can be added to the list of compatible cards:

SanDisk Extreme Pro SDHC 32GB Memory Card
http://www.sandisk.com/products/memory-cards/sd/extremepro-sdxc-sdhc-uhs-1-95mbs/?capacity=32GB

This particular Extreme Pro SDHC I got have been in use in a video camera for a bit less than a year.

This is what I did:

- Formatted the Extreme Pro SDHC with SD Formatter 4.0 (connected to Win 7 with a cheap SD card reader);

- Copied the exact content of the original card (ATP Pro Max 4GB) —which was almost full with two or three kits made with large .dsnds—  to the Extreme Pro SDHC;

- Deleted DrumIt124.bin and update to DrumIt126.bin in the Extreme Pro SDHC;

- Installed the Extreme Pro SDHC in the module (regularly, no mod).


Everything works perfect after some fast solo playing, there is no variation in load time, always have been around 6 seconds.

Now I'm going to copy and test some .dsnds and build a couple of kits to see what happens, due to the high cost of those cards, I'm open to any suggestion about test scenarios in order to certify that it really works, I don't want you hating me if it gives any problem later :)

Juan
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on June 29, 2013, 02:25:59 AM
If your module boots up and ready to play in about 6 seconds that is a pretty good sign. One thing that tends to reveal if there is any latency problem is playing a reasonably large dsnd kit built from a VST ...... fast solo type play while continually doing foot chick (like 1/8 notes continually on the HH pedal). But without trying the card plugged into an SD extender cable it won't prove whether the card is compatible for those doing the extender mod. Some cards that are recognized directly in the module slot, do not even boot up in the extender.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: eyerichards on August 20, 2013, 04:34:41 AM
Hi guys,
Last night I turned on my beloved module and to my horror after it booted up I could not get it to trigger any sounds. Even pressing the buttons had no effect. So I swapped out the Lexar 32Gb card (which has performed flawlessly for nearly a year) with the original 2box card and everything worked fine.
Breathing a sigh of relief that the module isn't faulty, I put the Lexar into my laptop and was able to see all the files and OS bins as normal.
Any thoughts or similar experiences as to what the problem is.
Cheers  :)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on August 20, 2013, 06:09:42 AM
Hi guys,
Last night I turned on my beloved module and to my horror after it booted up I could not get it to trigger any sounds. Even pressing the buttons had no effect. So I swapped out the Lexar 32Gb card (which has performed flawlessly for nearly a year) with the original 2box card and everything worked fine.
Breathing a sigh of relief that the module isn't faulty, I put the Lexar into my laptop and was able to see all the files and OS bins as normal.
Any thoughts or similar experiences as to what the problem is.
Cheers  :)

I have never had that happen. You might try to open the 2Box editor and see what happens with the 32GB card. See if sounds trigger from the laptop. Check to make sure outputs are assigned properly etc. If all fails reformat and reload files and try again.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: eyerichards on August 20, 2013, 11:19:13 AM

I have never had that happen. You might try to open the 2Box editor and see what happens with the 32GB card. See if sounds trigger from the laptop. Check to make sure outputs are assigned properly etc. If all fails reformat and reload files and try again.

Thanks, I'll give that a go.  :)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: tower of p on August 21, 2013, 06:36:54 PM
Hi guys,
Last night I turned on my beloved module and to my horror after it booted up I could not get it to trigger any sounds. Even pressing the buttons had no effect. So I swapped out the Lexar 32Gb card (which has performed flawlessly for nearly a year) with the original 2box card and everything worked fine.
Breathing a sigh of relief that the module isn't faulty, I put the Lexar into my laptop and was able to see all the files and OS bins as normal.
Any thoughts or similar experiences as to what the problem is.
Cheers  :)

Hi!

Did you already solve the problem? Only thing I can think of (cause it happened to me a few months ago): make sure you didn´t turn off the "Local MIDI" option in the module (Unit-->MIDI--> mid button above display must read "ON")

cheers!
Lutz
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: eyerichards on August 21, 2013, 08:13:17 PM
Hi!

Did you already solve the problem? Only thing I can think of (cause it happened to me a few months ago): make sure you didn´t turn off the "Local MIDI" option in the module (Unit-->MIDI--> mid button above display must read "ON")

cheers!
Lutz

Hi Lutz, thats exactly what had happened. Of course I only discovered it after saving everything to the laptop and reformatting the disk ! Not sure how I managed to change the local setting although I have just started triggering my laptop with Sd2, Drumasonic and Steven Slate so maybey thats how it happened. Main thing is I don't have to buy a new Card. YAY!  ;D
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on August 21, 2013, 08:22:31 PM
Good call Lutz! I thought it might be one of the settings that shut off the output in the Unit settings, but couldn't remember what single change would cause it, you got it. From the manual:
LOCAL Turn LOCAL "Off" to disable the internal sound engine. Now the DrumIt Five only transmits MIDI messages and no longer triggers the internal sounds. This setting is useful if you want to control an external sound source without having the DrumIt-Five sound engine always playing along.


Good to know though that the Lexar card is not the problem ..... for all of us using that card or the other compatible card we use! We hope they will last a long time. J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on August 21, 2013, 08:42:19 PM
My Lexar died some time ago but I have 2 other SD's still going strong.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on August 21, 2013, 09:24:05 PM
My Lexar died some time ago but I have 2 other SD's still going strong.

I think you mentioned that your Lexar card stopped working after disconnecting it from your Mac. Just for curiostity, does your 32GB card have the metadata_never_index file on it?
http://fileextensionmetadataneverindex.com/
I know 2Box includes that file on the factory cards ... important only for 2Box users that use a Mac.

I know when I load my files or plug in my card to my card reader I am very careful to close all folders before removing the card. But there may be some additional precautions we should take .... not sure??
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on August 22, 2013, 04:33:03 AM
I think you mentioned that your Lexar card stopped working after disconnecting it from your Mac. Just for curiostity, does your 32GB card have the metadata_never_index file on it?
http://fileextensionmetadataneverindex.com/
I know 2Box includes that file on the factory cards ... important only for 2Box users that use a Mac.

I know when I load my files or plug in my card to my card reader I am very careful to close all folders before removing the card. But there may be some additional precautions we should take .... not sure??

Will check when I'm back home.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on August 22, 2013, 05:33:49 AM
does your 32GB card have the metadata_never_index file on it?

Interesting find, Jman. YOu recall that one of OEM cards didn't work at all. Well, that doesn't have the above file on it, but then, neither does my original 2box card - unless it's invisible to the Mac. Would you be able to send me a copy of the file and I'll try loading it manually on the OEM card to see if that makes it readable on the 2box.
thanks
Allan
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on September 04, 2013, 09:54:55 PM
Interesting find, Jman. YOu recall that one of OEM cards didn't work at all. Well, that doesn't have the above file on it, but then, neither does my original 2box card - unless it's invisible to the Mac. Would you be able to send me a copy of the file and I'll try loading it manually on the OEM card to see if that makes it readable on the 2box.
thanks
Allan
Wow, sorry Allan, I didn't see this till today.
OK, here is the .metadata_never_index file
https://files.secureserver.net/0s9lesDNRsrDvP
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fishmonkey on September 04, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
the file doesn't have any special content, in fact in most cases it is an empty file. it's the name that is important.

one way to recreate the file is this:

the touch command will create an empty file with the specified name. note that that leading '.' on the filename is crucial (it makes a hidden file on OS X).

the presence of that file tells OS X not to do any Spotlight indexing or other metadata operations on the card.

if you are a Mac user who frequently uses Windows volumes, then BlueHarvest is a good tool for automatically keeping them free of special OS X files and folders...

http://www.zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on September 05, 2013, 01:01:48 AM
Thanks Jman. I copied your file to the SD card root and - voila! I am now able to boot the 2box.
Fishmonkey, thanks for your instructions but I already had Jerry's file downloaded.
So, I now have one more workable SD card.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on September 05, 2013, 02:50:13 AM
Thanks Jman. I copied your file to the SD card root and - voila! I am now able to boot the 2box.
Fishmonkey, thanks for your instructions but I already had Jerry's file downloaded.
So, I now have one more workable SD card.
Interesting indeed!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fishmonkey on September 05, 2013, 02:52:25 AM
the firmware of the 2Box module must be getting confused by some of the metadata files and folders that OS X generates by default. it should be straightforward for 2Box to tweak the firmware to simply ignore those...
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: DocBrown on December 08, 2013, 05:09:53 PM
Hi everybody. I made all the SD expansion and everything seems to work fine after several months. I have done it with a SanDisk Extreme 16GB SDHC class 10 (45MB/s) and this SD extension: http://dx.com/p/gps-sd-sdhc-card-reader-extension-cable-white-black-blue-48cm-218278

Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jamvais on February 23, 2014, 11:20:14 AM
Hi all,

Here's my contribution. I made the SD card extension mod and used Transcend 16 GB UHS-I class 10 memory card and it works flawlessly. Here's a pic for you.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zj24yc4q2fgxx4u/2014-02-10%2010.45.42.jpg

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/zj24yc4q2fgxx4u/2014-02-10%2010.45.42.jpg)

Edit: For some reason the pic won't show up so I added a plain link
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: dj_porter on March 23, 2014, 11:20:37 PM
this one is not working at all! Verbatim 32GB SecureDigital SDHC Card (Class10)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301083294122?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on March 24, 2014, 07:44:36 AM
this one is not working at all! Verbatim 32GB SecureDigital SDHC Card (Class10)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301083294122?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Heya dj porter. Both Burnin and I learned the hard way there are a lot of fake cards for sale on ebay. I tested one of those fakes and the performance was 50% of the real card. Of course I got my money back but Ebay is a dodgy source for cards.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: dj_porter on March 27, 2014, 01:05:29 PM
To tell you the truth, the card came with the original package, I think the card is just not working with 2Box, it is possible to be a fake too, Chinese fakes are everyday better but it look legit...who knows...

PD: I think you are right, this seller have like 600 negative/neutral feedback and many are Counterfeit related...
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Gitarcisavas on June 14, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
I had a few sd cards laying around, i decided to test them with 2box while I'm waiting my sd card extension cable for the sd card mode. Some of the cards didn't work with the unit. I found out that formatting a card on pc using FAT32 and setting "Allocation unit size" to 32 kbytes solved the problem and they work just fine. The default setting for "Allocation unit size" was 4096 bytes. The original card on 2box module was also 32 kbytes. Could anyone try this with their laggy or not working sd cards and see if that helps?

I have a question. Are 16gb cards are faster than 32gb cards of the same type? Or is it irrelevant?

Savas.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on June 14, 2014, 04:57:22 PM
I had a few sd cards laying around, i decided to test them with 2box while I'm waiting my sd card extension cable for the sd card mode. Some of the cards didn't work with the unit. I found out that formatting a card on pc using FAT32 and setting "Allocation unit size" to 32 kbytes solved the problem and they work just fine. The default setting for "Allocation unit size" was 4096 bytes. The original card on 2box module was also 32 kbytes. Could anyone try this with their laggy or not working sd cards and see if that helps?

I have a question. Are 16gb cards are faster than 32gb cards of the same type? Or is it irrelevant?

Savas.
The info on the formatting and size of cluster is discussed in many threads on the forum. And if you are formatting a card I strongly suggest using this, not the standard format tool on your PC:
https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/  which has also been discussed in many threads.

I am not sure how much of this thread you have read, but it is not just the proper formatting that determines the best cards for the 2Box unit. It is also not the cards with the fastest read or write times. Also cards that "seem" to work well directly in the module slot do not always work well or work at all in the extender. Testing out the cards over a period of time with the extender installed is really the only sure way to determine if the cards work just fine. Lag time problems are not always evident, and usually become more evident when using larger size dsnds created from VST software.

Generally cards that work the best will Boot up in the module at start up faster. As far as 16GB or 32GB. In a series of compatible cards usually the 16GB or 32GB will both work, 16GB may be a tiny bit faster booting up, but you won't find any noticeable dif in performance, just less available space. 
J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Gitarcisavas on June 14, 2014, 07:24:42 PM
So the specs doesn't matter. I was about to purchase Toshiba Exceria Type 2 SDHC card, because it has 95mb/s read speed. Should I just pick any class 10 SDHC card? Toshiba SDHC cards with 30mb/s read speed is only half the price. I want to try something different and contribute to the list.

Savas.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on June 14, 2014, 08:39:49 PM
It is not just the transferspeed but also the response time. I'm not the expert here but undocumented on SD cards is this feature which is very important for our purpose. Transferspeeds >= 20 MBps up and down are okay but I have no record of response.

We use the card in another way then most people. And manufacturers overlook our purpose, as a result it is try and error for us.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on June 14, 2014, 08:51:38 PM
So the specs doesn't matter. I was about to purchase Toshiba Exceria Type 2 SDHC card, because it has 95mb/s read speed. Should I just pick any class 10 SDHC card? Toshiba SDHC cards with 30mb/s read speed is only half the price. I want to try something different and contribute to the list.

Savas.
This thread from page one is filled with info on compatible cards.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Gitarcisavas on June 14, 2014, 09:12:00 PM
I read the whole thread, i know the cards that's been tested. But new cards are out, like this toshiba exceria. I was trying to help by choosing something new.

Savas
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on June 14, 2014, 10:06:51 PM
I read the whole thread, i know the cards that's been tested. But new cards are out, like this toshiba exceria. I was trying to help by choosing something new.

Savas
Yeah, always good to have someone "take one for the team"  ;D...... it is a bit of a crap shoot with new cards. Testing them out is about the only way to be sure. Having the lowest Read Access time is probably one of the most important things to look for. Unfortunately that is not one of the stats that are normally listed for cards, since it is not critical for most common usage, like cameras/photos for example. Toms Hardware put out a review in 2011 and listed Read Access time of the cards tested, but I haven't seen a new review comparison of cards with that stat lately.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: stickcharmer on June 23, 2014, 04:13:01 PM
has anyone given this extension cable a try?

http://www.amazon.com/46cm-Card-Extension-Cable-Case/dp/B00DG1FKM8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403539562&sr=8-1&keywords=46cm+Sd+Card+Extension+Cable+with+Case+fro+Car+GPS+DVD
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Gitarcisavas on June 24, 2014, 10:50:07 PM
Are there differences between extension cables?  I bought a cheap one from ebay for $6. It arrived today and works just fine.
 I  also tested the toshiba 16gb sdhc card today. I don't have extra samples yet, so i couldn't fill it. But copied the original card to it. Added some drumless wave files. And it boots in 5.15 secs. Exactly 1 sec longer than the original 4GB card. Card seems to have a little higher quality plastic than my other cards and made in Japan. I don't know if this is a sign of quality. I don't see a reason to spend 3 times more for the exceria series now. I'll probably buy the 32gb of the same card. Will test and report here. First I need to get my hands on those drum samples and fill the card.
(http://www.dz-tech.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/o/toshiba-16gb-sdhc-re-2.jpg)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on June 25, 2014, 06:09:08 AM
You can only tell the appropriateness of the card with some big DSNDs. I tried a card and it worked perfectly with the stock kits and data, but once I loaded home-brew DSNDs with multiple layers, it started stuttering during fast triggering.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Gitarcisavas on June 30, 2014, 07:37:41 AM
I finally filled the card. And it still works flawlessly. Boot up time is now 7 secs.
My biggest DSND files are around 250mb (hi-hat) and the kit folder is around 700mb.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: teletom007 on August 11, 2014, 01:48:19 PM
please,
what is the best and safest ssd to time. 8 - 32GB.

tom from germany
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ANGR77 on December 23, 2014, 12:04:50 AM
Hi!

I have changed my 4 GB SD card to a 32GB card. I found an old 32 GB card in my collection named Sandisk Ultra 30MB/S Class 10. It seems like new types of SD cards will end up with problems according to this thread. I have formated the card on my Windows 10 based Notebook (not Quick format) Fat32, standard values.(For test purposes  - I did not use the SD Format) Then I downloaded the latest factory build for 2Box + a couple of my own fat kits.

I have made this mod inside the unit and I did not go for the cable implementation at this stage. I can live with if it takes time to download new kits etc on the module over USB. (That was before I saw Jman's big warning to update the card over USB for cards bigger than 4GB!)

Ok - did it work? I would say yes for the moment. I can't hear any cracks in the sound..even if playing real fat samples. More testing is required but I did play for a couple of hours without any problems.

Boot times:

Picture of the cards - old and new
https://www.dropbox.com/s/foswndvvkbgjf62/IMG_0898.JPG (https://www.dropbox.com/s/foswndvvkbgjf62/IMG_0898.JPG)

It looks nice regarding the amount of memory:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yqhpk8700p891w6/IMG_0899.JPG (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yqhpk8700p891w6/IMG_0899.JPG)

Best Regards

ANGR77
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Drumaster on December 30, 2014, 07:56:43 PM
Hi ANGR77,

Maybe a silly question: but how do you update files on your 32GB card as you can't do it over USB (for cards >4GB) and as you didn't go for the card extender??
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ANGR77 on December 30, 2014, 09:54:58 PM
Hi.

I updated it in my computer before I installed the SD card....that was before I realized and red about the annoying 4 GB limit over USB. If I was the designer of 2Box...this would be the first thing I would fix.

Angr77

Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: thecompetition on December 31, 2014, 10:41:19 PM
" If I was the designer of 2Box..."
But you ain't...
People making changes beyond the original design do that on their own risk.
As written earlier, by the time DrumIt was released, 4 GB was pretty hi end (still is relatively speaking), so  enjoy it or make your own...
Happy new year!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Drumaster on January 01, 2015, 12:20:31 AM
Happy New Year Guyz!!!!!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ANGR77 on January 02, 2015, 07:38:56 PM
I have talked to the nice 2BOX God today...and he confirms that they are thinking how they can improve the memory handling (especially over USB) - but as we all have been guessing / It is not an easy task and it will require more than just a firmware/OS update...

So Jman's SD patch is the only option today.

ANGR77
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: digitalDrummer on January 02, 2015, 10:33:50 PM
Mark Drum learned from 2box's experience and added a removable SD card to its system.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ANGR77 on January 02, 2015, 11:17:07 PM
This is what I would like to do...:-)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: edcito on March 06, 2015, 12:53:04 PM
Ahh, remember when whe used to pay $75 for a 32 GB card, well, those times are over... I picked a transcend 32 like this for only €22. I already installed it and it works like a charm
http://www.redcoon.de/B577250-Transcend-SD-Karte-SDHC-32GB-Class-10_SDHC?xtor=CS1-50&refId=94511215&utm_source=Idealo&utm_medium=preisvergleich&utm_campaign=cpo (http://www.redcoon.de/B577250-Transcend-SD-Karte-SDHC-32GB-Class-10_SDHC?xtor=CS1-50&refId=94511215&utm_source=Idealo&utm_medium=preisvergleich&utm_campaign=cpo)

so you can add it tho this list
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: edcito on March 06, 2015, 04:04:05 PM
and for those in Europe looking for the SD extender cable, I bought mine here on ebay and it works perfectly
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SD-SDHC-Card-extension-cable-25cm-10-inches-white-/151601289718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item234c2419f6 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SD-SDHC-Card-extension-cable-25cm-10-inches-white-/151601289718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item234c2419f6)

Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fankelomia on July 14, 2015, 08:41:16 AM
Hi,

is there any recent info on which 32GB card would be safe to buy and is still available? Seeing how much trouble the wrong card can be i wouldn't really care if its 20€ or 30€ or whathaveyou as long as its reliable in the 2box.

Regarding an SD extender i found two options with possible shipment to germany - maybe the ones of you with experienced could help me decide which to order:
option1 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/111714598844)
option2 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/151725946721)

Thank you!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on July 15, 2015, 09:56:52 PM
I'm also about to take delivery of a new 2box (finally) and this question is on the top of my "things to solve" list.
I have some 16gb microsd with adapters I will test first.

EDIT: My ADATA SDHC Class 10 MicroSD in an SD adapter seemed to work fine with the original dsnds, but as soon as I started building my own with dsoundtool (about 30-40 different velocities each), a fast roll around the kit showed up latency problems, which manifests as clicks.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on July 16, 2015, 10:26:21 AM

Regarding an SD extender i found two options with possible shipment to germany - maybe the ones of you with experienced could help me decide which to order:
option1 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/111714598844)
option2 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/151725946721)

Those would probably be OK but I am suspicious of data cables which are longer than necessary. I would get a 10" (25cm) length like the poster above you, unless you want to mount the reader somewhere unconventional.

EDIT: I bought a cable which looks identical to option 1 above, and it's about 50cm long. After turning on the 2box for the first time I noticed that the inputs were triggering at random (with or without cables plugged in). The reading of the SDCard was causing false triggers due to RF interference. To solve it I bundled up the cable away from the main board trigger input area, placed it near to the SD card socket, and secured the roll with a bit of duct tape.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on August 13, 2015, 06:10:57 AM
I "took one for the team" ;) and bought this card which is widely available in 2015:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0exq5dbezxltdg1/K32GB_Front.png?dl=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ik44la0hrq4562p/K32GB_Back.png?dl=1)

As much as I don't like Kingston stuff, I was offered it at a discount in a local store by a very nice girl, she crushed my willpower and I couldn't say no... but at least she told me I could bring it back if it didn't work properly  ;D

I'm on latest OS, have SD extension cable (50cm - 20"), and DIY triggers. Playing 16's and 32's around the kit with kick and hats on the stock kits, and much bigger kits built with SDSE and Drumica, and I haven't heard a single glitch, crack, pop, or latency issue.

I believe that this is the reason, look at the access times:

Original 4GB card supplied by 2box:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/aj3fi5b0ntmyh0t/Good.SDCard.png?dl=1)

My 16GB microSD which did show audio cracks and latency:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/hxxy92cg8eii7y1/Bad.SDCard.png?dl=1)

The Kingston 32GB SD10V:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/lvwf3zob7g1gduf/Kingston_32GB.png?dl=1)

You can see that while the access time is not as quick as the 4GB card, it's close. The bad card has massive access time by comparison (almost double).

I tested this card on my i7 hackintosh, running windows, and tests were done by HD Tune (I used the pro-trial version but I think the free version will also measure access times). The card reader is a generic multi-card reader connected by USB 2.0. Note that the USB subsystem adds its own latency to the access times, so if you do your own tests you can't use my access times as gospel. Even with the same card, your system will give you a different (but hopefully close) result.

I think this card can be added to the compatibility list.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on August 13, 2015, 06:40:03 AM
Wauw, impressive test report! Hat off for you, my Liege!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on August 13, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
Nice testing utility Coda. :) It looks like your card should be OK, sometimes latency problems aren't noticed immediately, but time will tell.

I thought I would just show a couple results on cards that I have run across. As soon as the companies come out with their latest model of card with "higher" specs the previous cards go the way of the dinosaur pretty quickly. So when I run across a card with impressive performance with the 2Box module I buy up a bunch before they are history. Once they are no longer made even if you can find them the price is usually out of sight. Also, as has been stated before even the same card but a different batch can have completely different results. On the card mod kits I list in the classifieds I only use cards with faster times than the original 2Box cards. I figure with the large sizes of dsnds that can result from VST sample conversion a little edge is a good thing. 

As you can see from the Access Time, both of the cards have Access Time faster than the original ATP ProMax Cls 10 2Box card.

1st: the original 4GB 2Box card (ATP ProMax Cls 10 4GB):
(http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag19/JmanWord/Benchmark%20Orig%202Bx%20ProMax%204GB%20card_zpswuah02rg.png)

2nd: This is what I would call a "rare bird" This is a 32GB Elite Pro PNY card, but this batch was from Japan, I have had batches from Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. And the batch from Japan kicks some booty! And there was really no way of ordering these as far as where they were manufactured, simply a crap shoot. All the PNY Elite cards have changed since I bought my supplies. This particular card is loaded to the gills with new VST based dsnds .... only a few MBs of space left on the card.
(http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag19/JmanWord/Benchmark%20PNY%20Elite%20Prf%2032GB%20loaded%20Japan_zps44hse0mf.png)

3rd: This is another card that has pretty much become extinct. I normally only pick up 32GB cards, but out of curiosity I purchase the ATP ProMax 16GB card, this is an older card, Class 6, but it is actually top dog as far as access time goes. So, even though it was 16GB, I went ahead and bought up a few before they went away. This card is loaded with all the original files plus all additional files from the 2Box website downloads ... so it has about 7GB on the card.
(http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/ag19/JmanWord/Benchmark%20ProMax%2016GB%20Cls6%207GB%20loaded%20run%202_zpslosn7tun.png)

With the HD Tune Pro testing I went ahead and ran a couple times just to verify, and the results will vary within the 100ths/1000ths of miliseconds, but definitely close enough to get a good idea. Also if using a different card reader the results will be different, but the difference carries through pretty consistent .... as far as the A to B comparisons between cards.
I like the HD Tune Pro .... might even buy it when the trial period is over ..... J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on August 13, 2015, 07:21:10 PM
Thanks for the additional testing Jman, IMO everyone should test their cards with HD Tune and post the screenshots here. What? It's PC only? Yeah well you all have PCs now right? For SDSE?  ;D

BTW - the USB bus adds latency and the 15mb/s you see on most cards is because of the USB bulk transfer limit in windows. You should see better speeds in OSX and Linux. The best card testing would be done with a SDCard->Sata or even IDE connector, but who's ever seen one of these?

*Theoretical is about ~56mb/s but you will never see this as the windows USB stack does not implement transfers with multiple endpoints. At least this was the reason I found a few years ago, when I was programming this stuff.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Lustar on September 09, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
Lexar Professional 32GB SDHC class 10 133x (same as the one in first post)
no-name ChipBank reader (similar to this (http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_0011_1.jpg) but not identical)
(http://www.lustark.com/images/SDSE/SD_Lexar_32GB_ChipBank.png)


Lexar Professional 32GB SDHC class 10 133x
Kingston FCR-HS3 USB3 reader
(http://www.lustark.com/images/SDSE/SD_Lexar_32GB_Kingston_FCR-HS3.png)


Original 2box Sandisk Extreme 4GB class 6
no-name ChipBank reader
(http://www.lustark.com/images/SDSE/SD_2box_Sandisk_4GB_ChipBank.png)


Original 2box Sandisk Extreme 4GB class 6
Kingston FCR-HS3 USB3 reader
(http://www.lustark.com/images/SDSE/SD_2box_Sandisk_4GB_Kingston_FCR-HS3.png)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2015, 05:00:26 AM
Thanks Lustar. The comparison to the original 4GB card is handy to judge the speed of the USB card reader... look at what the kingston reader does to the latency! An eye-opener and a black mark on USB3 transfers maybe? :D
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: InTheBox on September 10, 2015, 07:43:20 PM
I bought my 16GB SD card by trial and error a while ago. The sounds will play fine for quite some time, but occasionally the sound will halt, only to have all the hits played on top of each other a second later.

Exactly what is happening here, is it the access time? What should I look for in a card to avoid this problem?Latency is not a problem, there is no noticeable lag between hit and sound, not until everything "crashes".

My fix for this is to load only the sounds I need for a gig to my original card, but that is a temporary solution at best.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on September 10, 2015, 08:38:00 PM
I bought my 16GB SD card by trial and error a while ago. The sounds will play fine for quite some time, but occasionally the sound will halt, only to have all the hits played on top of each other a second later.

Exactly what is happening here, is it the access time? What should I look for in a card to avoid this problem?Latency is not a problem, there is no noticeable lag between hit and sound, not until everything "crashes".
Can you please do a HD Tune benchmark on both of your SDCards (16GB and original 4GB) in the same card reader, and post the screenshots here? This might answer your question.

It may be that the 16gb card is faulty, the extension is faulty/too long, or the extension cable placement inside the unit needs adjustment.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Lustar on September 10, 2015, 09:27:36 PM
InTheBox: the card should be equal or faster than the 2box card for transfer speeds and access time. Since SD readers can give different results you would need to test both the 2box card and the new card with the same reader.(Coda beat me to it)

Coda: yeah, what it gains in transfer speed it loses in access time. I also have a Transcend USB3 reader with the particularity that it never actually worked in USB3, it only works on a USB2 port. What's interesting is that it performs better than the Kingston overall.

More screenshots for your viewing pleasure:

Lexar Professional 32GB SDHC class 10 133x
Transcend TS-RDF8K USB3 reader (in USB2 port)
(http://www.lustark.com/images/SDSE/SD_Lexar_32GB_Transcend_TS-RDF8K.png)


Original 2box Sandisk Extreme 4GB class 6
Transcend TS-RDF8K USB3 reader (in USB2 port)
(http://www.lustark.com/images/SDSE/SD_2box_Sandisk_4GB_Transcend_TS-RDF8K.png)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: fankelomia on January 14, 2016, 05:14:01 PM
Are there any infos or does anyone have an idea about the bus-speed with which the internal SD-slot is connected?

I am asking because i was in the need of some micro SD cards (for a different purpose) and thought i would test them for possible use with the 2box module.

For testing i just switched the Ubuntu server SSD in a zotac zbox nano for a another SSD and put Win7 64bit on it to use HD Tune Pro. I didn't bother to update it, connect it to the network or even install the drivers.
(Does anyone know of an OS X app that has the option to only do read tests and also measure access time as does HD Tune Pro?)

Results were the same whether i used the USB 3.0 card reader in a USB 3.0 or USB 2.0 port.

After initial testing where one micro SD card came close to the performance of the original 2box card i thought i would install at least the USB 3.0 (and together with those the USB 2.0) driver.
Of course overall performance went up and now there was a distinct difference between using the card reader (for some reason HD Tune Pro does not work with the integrated reader in the zbox) in either port.

Apart from HD Tune Pro (or the "test" system) not being able to reproduce results accurately i am now asking myself if it is even fair to use USB 3.0 for testing or if i should stick with using the USB 3.0 reader in the USB 2.0 port.
I am far from being finished with testing and once i'm done i will post the results but right now the problem is that cards that i already thought were not a viable option for the 2box when no drivers were installed are now performing closer to or better than the original 2box card.
When using the USB 3.0 port, the cards that have an UHS-Speed Class specified are of course way faster regarding the transfer rate - so in fairness to the original 2box card i would say i'd stick with the USB 2.0 port.

But regarding the excellent performance of the 2box card in the no-driver-condition i am not so sure which test-setup comes closer to the 2box system.

I really hope that made sense to anyone and are happy about any input!

As a side note: I tested the micro SD cards with the supplied SD adapters and also tested an available DeLock 61870 micro SD extension (together with the adapter) - but that thing just made things even weirder.
In the USB 3.0 port the transfer rate dropped to roughly USB 2.0 port speed but the access time was still close, in the USB 2.0 port the transfer rate dropped to half the speed and access time almost doubled. Sad, ‚cause it would have been a nice alternative to the „established“ SD extensions…
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: nocturnodrummer on January 29, 2016, 11:44:27 PM
Hello guys, I'm in market for a memory card. Does anybody has a trusted card that is still widely available? I took a look at the Lexars but the 133 series is long gone.. Has anyone tested the Lexar Professional 633x series?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on January 30, 2016, 09:04:18 AM
The 32gb Kingston card I posted about in length is still available.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: nocturnodrummer on January 30, 2016, 11:56:41 AM
OK guys, I think I have found something reaaaaaal good. I found a comprehensive test of sd cards with the access time inculded ! It's in Polish but I can translate it to you. It's 134 cards tested !

http://www.chip.pl/ranking/pamieci-masowe/karty-pamieci-flash-sd

Here you have a list of all the cards, you can filter the search, but unfortunately, not by access time. But you can narrow your search down to capacity, producer and price.

If you want to filter by price, click on the "Cena z VAT [zł'" header on the list.

To check the individual parameters of a card click on name of the card on the list.

This takes you to an another website. Then you click on a tab "Specyfikacja i wyniki" and there you go.

What you need to look for is section called Czas dostępu (odczyt) [ms]. Let me translate it for you:

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Czas dostępu (odczyt) [ms]            = Access time (read) [ms]
Średni         0,77 ms                    = Average  0,77 ms
Najdłuższy 3,07 ms                    = Longest  3,07 ms
Najkrótszy 0,47 ms                    = Shortest 0,47 ms

From what I understand and read in the topic the best are the simplest cards meaning, SDHC and without all those super high speed technologies. The simplest seems to be the fastest.

I found a nice Transend card, it is still available in my country and it's very affordable:

http://www.chip.pl/testy/pamieci-masowe/karty-pamieci-flash-sd/transcend-sdhc-32gb-ts32gsdhc6/specification?switch_t=t

It's parameters are :

Czas dostępu (odczyt) [ms]   
Średni           0,79 ms
Najdłuższy   1,97 ms
Najkrótszy   0,54 ms

I chose that because it seems pretty consistent, the gap between the slower and longest is narrow

Your kingston card is listed here as wel (16gb version):

Czas dostępu (odczyt) [ms]   
Średni           1,85 ms
Najdłuższy   9,61 ms
Najkrótszy   0,40 ms

The problem with this test is they are sometimes tested on different card readers:

Here is the parameter to look for:
Testowane z czytnikiem - Device used for testing   Sandisk SDDRX3-3IN1 (SDHC)

I post a test here of that Transcend card soon as I get one and compare it to the 2 box original one.

Cheers!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on January 30, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
Super. Looking forward to the results of that Transcend, if it's good, I'll get one too. Dzieki!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: neocoma on February 17, 2016, 06:51:34 PM
Hello everyone.

I'm new in this forum although i'm not a new user of my lovely 2box drum!
I came here because i am currently working on upgrading my SD card with an extender and a 32GB card.
So I came to this forum in order to find the right card.

After some reading i understood that access time is the most important thing.
So i followed the link posted by nocturnodrummer and found this card interesting, which is not on the list :

Transcend TS32GSDCH10
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B003P3MCXW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

I tested the card with a Transcend USB 3reader and HDTune Pro:
Transcend TS-RDF5K
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B009D79VH4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

Here are the results :

Original 4GB card :
(https://cpcwna.by3301.livefilestore.com/y3mrA8wcOrjGyF-U86bLfvmXjdZHmMbPYqGIF6peoeiUXg5cxZhnM1NigngmWoNLKDRpeAUiDGa3lLGM5rM5BDV7Ulobym6q7v_2SU6BmaZX2Lg-rpBoaM_ZbQtPuirsp5bG4gVi8PkE4RiCx6I15RTvENskyUqj0TUFXMcbBZ-ptE?width=700&height=1010&cropmode=none)

(https://cpcvna.by3301.livefilestore.com/y3mb7y_ggP32lS5sMGue72zchLeS76_5h7Ku3Xpv8UDyO7u-AaN67Vg8Zd78zLZtNOCkgiKRxNEAYt8g1HVepDc4DheuA4FJ9u6sU79xyChEjqCYUJ_QGDAnAeAk8Yy0WPBmIKZ8Ug2zaWnzV-5Uxo8ScKbdYC-tGr3IfWHuS0GWnA?width=700&height=1010&cropmode=none)

Transcend TS32GSDCH10
(https://ezacka.by3301.livefilestore.com/y3m9pxuonhrmscAggXui1S7tPO6FHuSN3t5z2C1PJbTjzqrM6yOA7p0D2tK_mUd9hBAnqLSQwjIAmRpC9PkdLbPu7uP-z5R5ngpt05gvNQ-xlGX5VtAIs2qCfhWU4DjB_YUBDJ2rkURa1z74xcWY4x_zs_xLpWm7d4ImZVZU3rS2IA?width=700&height=1010&cropmode=none)http://(https://cpcgna.by3301.livefilestore.com/y3mALYvm96OMf3NfEM9tJK9pFZKATKeV0sPRO3BO2WaXO6woJYy-JS2PnC38rAT7p_nob1VhsJW9monufHu8to7myRZM-uwzI-uTG05B8LjyWiUP7Jxf69x1LaSduo6kTFBoZrncKLXrHDhO6TO0sw7yddJNExlWgGgvUkmVDzV0jw?width=700&height=1010&cropmode=none)

Access time and transfer rates seems both generally better on the 32GB Transcend (Max access times are a little higher on two case in the detail but averages are always better).

So am I good to go?
Of course i'll post here if anything weird happens further.

Thanks!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on February 17, 2016, 08:12:08 PM
Hello everyone.
Welcome!

Quote
So am I good to go?
Of course i'll post here if anything weird happens further.
Yeah that looks great, thanks for taking the time to test and post your results! Thumbs up!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: edcito on February 22, 2016, 05:12:14 PM
Stock ATP ProMax 4GB, directly on the SD card reader of my mac.

(http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah247/edcito/2box%20stock_zpshzr9rmez.jpg) (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/edcito/media/2box%20stock_zpshzr9rmez.jpg.html)

Transcend SDHC 600x 32 GB 90MB/s, much slower it sucks haha, bad buy...

(http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah247/edcito/trascend_zps3ferouds.jpg) (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/edcito/media/trascend_zps3ferouds.jpg.html)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: CBJ on February 27, 2016, 03:22:07 AM
Hi guys!

I've read every post on this topic to date and want to thank everyone for contributing to this thread regarding increasing the memory capacity on the 2Box drum system.

I purchased my 2Box kit in Dec. 2015 & am thrilled with this drum system. It's fantastic!

I've noticed that there have been a few requests regarding the larger & still available Lexar 400x, 633x, & even the 800x but no one has provided any info regarding whether or not these cards will work in the 2Box? Can someone provide an update or are these simply over spec'd for what the 2Box can currently handle?

There was also a fellow that was going to try the wifi on a card but never reported his findings on the forum. I hope I didn't miss his response so if anyone has heard regarding this card please let us know how he made out.

And last but not least I want to send a shout out to Jman & Murgen for the help they have provided to all of us on the forum. I am grateful for all your help and the knowledge you are sharing with all of us. Thank you Gentlemen, thank you!

CBJ
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on February 27, 2016, 08:56:38 AM
Can someone provide an update or are these simply over spec'd for what the 2Box can currently handle?
This isn't the issue. It's all about access time. If the card access time is slow, then it's no good for 2box. The only way to find a card with a slow access time is to find a review on the net with access time for the card (difficult for specific cards, and then you have to take into account the reader hardware they used), buy one of the cards in this thread that has been confirmed (the green Kingston 32gb I posted about above is still current), or if you are feeling flush, just buy a card and try it. The last option the only one which contributes to our list of known working cards, but it means if the card is no good you could be out of pocket.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: edcito on March 04, 2016, 08:25:36 AM
Sandisk Ultra 16GB found in any german saturn mediamarkt for €9,99

(http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah247/edcito/sandisk16_zpsb4gqsnpg.jpg) (http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/edcito/media/sandisk16_zpsb4gqsnpg.jpg.html)

The transcend I posted earlier is definitely not for the 2box, it has the symptom described by some, i.e. the sounds stopped for a bit and then are played all at once afterwards.
This sandisk hasn't this issue, I've tested it for a couple oh hours and it didn't show any issues. So, yeah, I can say, avoid the premium, super fast expensive cards with thousands of X because the 2box module modded wont't handle them accordingly. The crappier an SD card looks the most better it will perform.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: nocturnodrummer on March 25, 2016, 08:43:06 AM
That transcend card i bought worked perfectly for some time. But yesterday in went nuts. I copied new files on it and maybe  windows did  some mojo on it. I will  reformat it and hit you back. I even have the access time tests but forgot about my promise, sorry...
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: JRage on March 25, 2016, 06:32:34 PM
Your answer today looks like a miracle to me ::)
I'm in decision process right know and can't decide between your Transcend (TRANSCEND SDHC CLASS 6 32GB, TS32GSDHC6), Lexar Professional 32 GB 633X Class 10 and hopefully genuine that famous Lexar Professional 32GB 133X.
So, if your Transcend has been success story, I will wait for your benchmarks  :)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: StudioG4 on March 26, 2016, 03:14:35 AM
Nocturno drummer - went out and got that Transcend card since your results looked very interesting. Have used it a few times with no apparent issues so far. It responds exceptionally well.
I guess time will tell. I don't have the nerve to use it on a gig over my Lexar pro 133 yet.
Please let me know your further experiences.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: JRage on March 26, 2016, 11:16:51 AM
Got answers from both Lexar card ebay sellers - the 633X comes from UK and is in original packaging, but there is no information about access time benchmarks, the 133X comes from China and is in bulk packaging, though the seller says it is genuine, I am not very sure about it.

Have any of you bought a genuine Lexar Professional 16GB/32GB 133X in bulk packaging through ebay?
There were JMan's post some time ago to beware of counterfeits...

StudioG4, nocturnodrummer, what the module initialization time with Transcend card is about, is it any close to original 2box card? It looks like I will go for Transcend Class 6 card, it will set me back only 11 Euros anyway.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on March 26, 2016, 11:26:08 AM
If you value your sanity, you won't buy memory cards off evilbay. If you ever went through a complaint procedure with a seller and tried to get your money back from paypal, you'll understand what I mean.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: JRage on March 26, 2016, 12:59:49 PM
If you value your sanity, you won't buy memory cards off evilbay. If you ever went through a complaint procedure with a seller and tried to get your money back from paypal, you'll understand what I mean.

OK, thanks, Coda
I will try the Transcend then - at least it is locally distributed. What software you use btw for testing SD cards?

Rgds, Janis
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on March 26, 2016, 01:07:26 PM
HD Tune Pro. There's a trial version on the website, you don't need the paid version because the trial also measures latency.
If you will do it, please make sure you also benchmark the original 2box card in the same reader, so you can factor out the overhead of the card-reader (which can vary quite a lot).
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: JRage on March 26, 2016, 01:15:07 PM
OK, thanks. When I'll get the card I will try to benchmark it against original 2box card.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Murgen on March 26, 2016, 02:12:07 PM
If you value your sanity, you won't buy memory cards off evilbay. If you ever went through a complaint procedure with a seller and tried to get your money back from paypal, you'll understand what I mean.

I got my money back, ebay seller was honest about the fact it was a fake AFTER I complained. 🙃
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on March 26, 2016, 02:20:55 PM
I got my money back, ebay seller was honest about the fact it was a fake AFTER I complained. 🙃
That's nice, but I'm not sure that's what usually happens :-)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ANGR77 on March 27, 2016, 10:11:10 AM
Hi!

I have been running the HD Tune PRO app on all my Old SD Cards...the reason for doing this was that I thought I had found a good card...and was using for month. It was a SanDisk Extreme 30 MB/s. But after been playing and adding content for months (at last two big SDSE converted Dummica kits)...it finally started to add latency...and audio cracks.

Then I just scanned through all of SDs...(I had about 15 cards)...and found that the SanDisk was quite slow in access time compared to original card.)

Instead I found a real old Transcend SDHC with 32GB class 10...which was the fastest and compared to the original card a bit faster.

I was planning to post all my cards on this forum...but I it just feel stupid because of the way HD Tune measures the cards. The access time depends very much on the computer and card reader attached...

The only thing HD Tune is good on is to determine if a measured card is faster or slower compared the original card. The exact data and access time is just a values...and which makes it very hard compare with others that also have been using the hd tune app.

So instead of posting screenshots of hd tune ...we should post cards in table (with a picture)which actually works and are faster than the original one.

What do you think?

Best regards

Angr77



Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on March 27, 2016, 11:00:13 AM
it finally started to add latency...and audio cracks. Then I just scanned through all of SDs...(I had about 15 cards)...and found that the SanDisk was quite slow in access time compared to original card.)
This is level-wearing by the sounds of it.

Quote
I was planning to post all my cards on this forum...but I it just feel stupid because of the way HD Tune measures the cards. The access time depends very much on the computer and card reader attached...

The only thing HD Tune is good on is to determine if a measured card is faster or slower compared the original card. The exact data and access time is just a values...and which makes it very hard compare with others that also have been using the hd tune app.

So instead of posting screenshots of hd tune ...we should post cards in table (with a picture)which actually works and are faster than the original one.

What do you think?
That was the whole point of posting stats of new cards against the original card, tested on the same computer and same reader. The screenshots are a nice visual way to see what's going on, so those that take an interest can do further analysis.
IMO, A table won't make any sense, because you will have removed the context, which is important: new card against old card, measured using same hardware.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ANGR77 on March 27, 2016, 01:21:41 PM
Hmm...

I think we are talking about the same thing. I had something like this in mind: (To create a better overview and save forum members to browse through 16 pages of threads)

(https://powerhell.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/2box_sdsc.png?w=800)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qvucwl3heui8uoj/2Box_SDSC.png
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on March 27, 2016, 02:26:34 PM
Hmm...

I think we are talking about the same thing. I had something like this in mind
Yeah, now I see what you mean, I agree. One suggestion though, because "faster than" means nothing by itself, maybe it could be qualified as "Access time" rather than "R/W speed" and something like "Better/Worse" etc, as that is the metric we are interested in.
It looks good though... but do you think that we need a wiki page for it that all members can edit?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: ANGR77 on March 28, 2016, 08:21:01 AM
Hi!

Thanks. Agree about faster than...is maybe too poor description and the access time field shows the same thing. (Actual, referens card access time) However - a slower card than the original card could work - like in my case the Sandisk Extreme 16 GB. It took me 3 months before the card really started show major problems. So using a "better or worse" keyword is maybe a better definition. I don't know if measured cards very near the reference card in access time are valid and approved. 

Regarding wikipage or not...a good idea...but it is not so good if the user needs to leave the unofficial 2Box site...to get this information.

Best Regards

Angr77
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on March 28, 2016, 08:40:35 AM
Regarding wikipage or not...a good idea...but it is not so good if the user needs to leave the unofficial 2Box site...to get this information.
Yeah, IIRC there *was* some kind of wiki here a long time ago, but I think it disappeared. UC, NeilC, Jman will know more about it, but maybe out of those three only Jman is still active here?

Edit: http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,218.0.html (http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,218.0.html) This is what I meant.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: JRage on April 16, 2016, 04:31:47 PM
Finally got my Transcend Class 6 32GB (TS32GSDHC6) kindly suggested by nocturnodrummer.
So I did HD Tune Pro benchmark tests, as Coda proposed, comparing with original card. I used the built in SD card reader in my HP ProBook.
The results are very promising:

1. Read benchmark: original 2box ATP_ProMax_Class10 card
(http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/J_Rage/ATP_ProMax_Class10_R_zpseaem6wge.png)

2.Read benchmark: Transcend Class 6 32GB card
(http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/J_Rage/Transcend_32GB_Class6_R_zpscxat3rjm.png)

3.Random Access: original 2box ATP_ProMax_Class10 card
(http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/J_Rage/ATP_ProMax_Class10_AT_zpswoggkrif.png)

4.Random Access: Transcend Class 6 32GB card
(http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/J_Rage/Transcend_32GB_Class6_AT_zpsfclgqmos.png)

Both cards look to me in this benchmark almost like twins, the Transcend being slightly ahead, so it can be added to compatible cards list.
I will report if it starts to behave differently after filling the card with "heavier" kit samples (currently I've got only one SD2 vst based kit to test which sounded pretty well).

I also did the SD card mod with extender cable, initially looks very promising - no delays, fast OS initial loading.

Update:
Unfortunately, after filling the card with more from 2box site downloaded plus custom samples (about 8,5 GB in total) and with faster playing, like InTheBox posted some time ago, occasionally the sound will halt, only to have all the hits played on top of each other a second later. What's important - this was observed also on stock kits, which prevents suspicions of wrong configurations or too large files of custom sample kits.

I am thinking of possible reasons:
1. The extender cable interference or quality issues (I use the cheap 10 inch extender cable from e-bay) - I will swap back the original card and use it for some time to see if the same problem occurs. If yes - the cable is to blame, if not - the card is guilty.

2. The issues with Transcend card itself - I've ordered the green Kingston 32GB Class10 card which Coda advised as compatible. Is this card still OK after using it for some months, Coda?

3. Some OS logical compatibility issues - unlikely though (I can't define it more exactly, e.g. OS is getting unstable when total number of files on memory card exceeds 999 files?) - if problems occur only after filling the card over 4 GB/ or above certain number of files, it should also be easily checked.

Any other thoughts on this?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on April 16, 2016, 06:23:54 PM
Good job. +1  ;D
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: JRage on April 29, 2016, 12:16:30 PM
Well, after quite a busy week I can share some more of my findings about Transcend Class 6 and also about the 'green' King ston Class 10 32 GB SD10V card.

General conclusion: the problem I described in my previous post, was Transcend card itself (not the extender cable, not the OS compatibility) as it's performance started to degrade over time. It isn't stable enough to use it as a mission critical resource. It can be used for training, but be ready, it will choke with samples occasionally - for my daily 1-2 hour evening session at least once it happened.

After using the Transcend card for couple of days I checked it again with HD Tune Pro and results are obvious: now there is visible occasional access time degradation, also bigger difference between min. and max. access time numbers.
1. Two screenshots where you can see the problems
(http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/J_Rage/Transcend_32GB_Class6_AT_4_zpslp2xpcx0.png)
(http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/J_Rage/Transcend_32GB_Class6_AT_6_zpsvtiijskw.png)

2. Third picture in another day again seems OK.
(http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/J_Rage/Transcend_32GB_Class6_AT_7_zpsytsp2ehh.png)

Then I tried the 'green' Kingston, which Coda found last year.
So far (one week's usage) it looks pretty good. It has a bit higher average access time, but it seems more consistent and there are no delays or stutters. Since the first usage I've changed it's content and added more files but no problems so far.
(http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/J_Rage/Kingston_32GB_Class10_AT_zpsofzx5n1l.png)
(http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/J_Rage/Kingston_32GB_Class10_AT_new1_zpspnuxpj9f.png)

My conclusion: I would recommend to add Coda's 'green' Kingston 32 GB Class 10 to compatible cards list, but not the Transcend 32GB Class 6.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: shimy1984 on May 24, 2016, 04:24:43 AM
Hello all,

Newbie here. I have a question that I haven't seen answered so I thought I'd ask.

Why use a card extender that is only compatible with up to 32gb when you can just install a 128gb SD card directly into the unit?

From what I've read it doesn't seem like the file size of the SD card really matters, its more the R/W speeds.

Am I wrong in my assumption?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: shimy1984 on May 24, 2016, 04:53:06 AM
Hello all,

Newbie here. I have a question that I haven't seen answered so I thought I'd ask.

Why use a card extender that is only compatible with up to 32gb when you can just install a 128gb SD card directly into the unit?

From what I've read it doesn't seem like the file size of the SD card really matters, its more the R/W speeds.

Am I wrong in my assumption?

Nevermind, after further reading I came across this from Jman (amazing triggers btw, dude):

Important reminder for those that have done the Card extender mod: Once you have done the Card extender mod you must use a card reader with your computer to do any of the functions you normally would do via usb connection from the module. You will no longer have access via the module's USB port. You will only screw up your SDHC card if you attempt to connect the module via USB after doing the mod.

So, it looks like USB only accepts a max of 4GB. So, if I were to just replace the 4GB card with a 128GB card, I'd more than likely run into this issue. Major bummer. Ah well. Card extender mod here I come.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on May 24, 2016, 05:43:00 AM
I'm not sure that you can put >32GB cards in the module anyway. I don't think it's a question of the extender (many of which have a 16GB MAX sticker on them), but the module partitioning scheme it uses and/or the FAT32 filesystem.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on May 24, 2016, 09:52:34 PM
I'm not sure that you can put >32GB cards in the module anyway. I don't think it's a question of the extender (many of which have a 16GB MAX sticker on them), but the module partitioning scheme it uses and/or the FAT32 filesystem.
You can put a 32GB card directly in the module. The problem is that the max. size card that will read/write to with the 2Box module plugged in via USB is 4GB. So once you close that module up with the larger card inside you can no longer use it in the Editor, or add/delete files ..... so it is much better to have access to the card outside the module so you can use the card in the module, and also via a card reader when using with a computer ..... and loose none of the functions. Also, you can pretty much disregard that 16GB sticker on card extenders, 32GB will work in them ..... at least the ones I have used.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Jman on May 24, 2016, 09:58:48 PM
Nevermind, after further reading I came across this from Jman (amazing triggers btw, dude):


Thanks, glad you like ..... and welcome to the forum! Oh, and 32GB is the max. you can use in the extender mod. J
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on May 25, 2016, 05:56:18 AM
You can put a 32GB card directly in the module...
Yep, I'm aware of all of this. The extender is only an extender. My doubt is the card capacity limit directly plugged into the module. 
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: shimy1984 on May 27, 2016, 05:53:15 PM
So, I'm looking around for the fastest SDHC cards available and came across this guy:

Delkin Devices 32GB UHS-II SDHC Memory Card
http://www.amazon.com/Delkin-32GB-UHS-II-Memory-DDSDUHS232GB/dp/B00PGN5NEO

Features:
Read/Write Speeds: 280/250 MB/s
UHS-II Speed Class 3 (U3)

Has anyone tried it out with the Drumit 5? I'm ordering one to give it a go (worse comes to worst, I'll just use it with other things).
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on May 27, 2016, 06:30:08 PM
Well, it's very expensive, but if you can put it to another use if it's no good, then I guess you won't lose out by trying. However, raw speed is not the issue with the D5, but access times. Modern high-speed cards don't need/focus on access times, they just need to be able to stream very quickly, which is a different skill-set.
But whatever happens, please do a full test with HD Tune Pro (both the new card, and your existing card so we can factor out the reader speed) and post the results here. Thanks, and good luck!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: mvdput on July 16, 2016, 08:55:01 AM
I did the SD-card mod yesterday and ordered a few different SD-cards to try test their performance.

I ordered the following cards:

I did the same performance test for every card with the HD Tune Pro software to see which card has the best performance. I used the internal SD card reader from my My Macbook Pro and was running HD Tune Pro in  Windows 7 on parallels desktop.

My standard ATP Pro Max card which came with the 2Box module
(https://s19.postimg.org/b8km87ew3/IMG_3677_1.png) (https://postimg.org/image/causqqxpb/)

(https://s19.postimg.org/wtpovtbmr/ATP_Pro_Drum_It.png) (https://postimg.org/image/oo7mxnndr/)


The Transcend card

(https://s19.postimg.org/lwod71ov7/IMG_3678_1.png) (https://postimg.org/image/z0txjqgwv/)
(https://s19.postimg.org/qev9cvuar/Transcend_Premium_200x_SDHC_UHS_1.png) (https://postimg.org/image/rtwu1lvdr/)

Lexar Premium series 300x
(https://s19.postimg.org/bnvw180tf/IMG_3679_1.png) (https://postimg.org/image/w80pzpgkf/)
(https://s19.postimg.org/meo40n3tv/Lexar_Premium_Series_300x_SDHC_UHS_I.png) (https://postimg.org/image/6t6sgorvj/)


Lexar Professional 633x

(https://s19.postimg.org/ogolew1sz/IMG_3680_1.png) (https://postimg.org/image/ji130cxzz/)
(https://s19.postimg.org/6ugqa3tpf/Lexar_Professional_633x_SDHC_UHS_1.png) (https://postimg.org/image/vayw4kufz/)

Lexar Professional 1000x

(https://s19.postimg.org/qmiw9e59f/IMG_3681_1.png) (https://postimg.org/image/bqkd1stun/)

(https://s19.postimg.org/ggaaqekv7/Lexar_Professional_1000x_SDHC_UHS_II.png) (https://postimg.org/image/h5t32rlen/)




The Transcend and Lexar Premium seems ok if you look at access time and minimum transfer rate, however to be on the safe side I took the Lexar Professional 1000x and added my kits to them including a few custom kits from VST and tested it in the 2Box. So far no issues.


The Lexar Professional 1000x 32Gb costs about EUR 26,- to 35,- depending on the store.


The other cards I did not test in my 2Box.
 
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on July 16, 2016, 09:06:44 AM
Fantastic post! +1 Karma for you!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Dudemann-A2E on October 02, 2016, 06:38:19 PM

Lexar Professional 1000x

(https://s19.postimg.org/qmiw9e59f/IMG_3681_1.png) (https://postimg.org/image/bqkd1stun/)


I just modified my 2Box with the same SD card and it is working fine. Thanks mvdput!
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: rafaelfreitas on February 16, 2017, 12:39:53 AM
Lexar 16GB Professional 1000x worked very well   :rock:
The boot time is virtually the same and I didn't notice anything different from the original SD Card (4GB ATP PRO Class 10).
(https://static.mymemory.co.uk/images/product_shots/large_44836_1000x16pk.jpg)


Lexar 32GB Professinal 633x didn't worked well :'(   
The boot time was 3-4 seconds longer and every now and then the system crashes (I can't play 1 song with this SD card)
(https://static.mymemory.co.uk/images/product_shots/large_41059_Lex63332_.jpg)

It confirms the mvdput post  :D

One thing that I've noticed is that the heavy kits, with 1.5GB for example, show a very small delay occasional. It's not a big problem, but playing with a playback it's possible to hear a snare or ride a bit late. This happens even with the original SD card. For now, I'm trying to use kits with no more than 800MB to get a better experience.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on March 13, 2017, 09:50:04 PM
Finally got my Transcend Class 6 32GB (TS32GSDHC6) kindly suggested by nocturnodrummer.
So I did HD Tune Pro benchmark tests, as Coda proposed, comparing with original card. I used the built in SD card reader in my HP ProBook.
The results are very promising:
<SNIP>

Update:
Unfortunately, after filling the card with more from 2box site downloaded plus custom samples (about 8,5 GB in total) and with faster playing, like InTheBox posted some time ago, occasionally the sound will halt, only to have all the hits played on top of each other a second later. What's important - this was observed also on stock kits, which prevents suspicions of wrong configurations or too large files of custom sample kits.

<SNIP>
2. The issues with Transcend card itself - I've ordered the green Kingston 32GB Class10 card which Coda advised as compatible. Is this card still OK after using it for some months, Coda?
Sorry JRage. I did not see your update until today, I've been away from the site for a while.
Yes the Green Kingston is still working perfectly well, without any issue. I may look for another while they are probably still available or get one of those 1000x lexars.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: JRage on March 15, 2017, 12:31:09 PM
Sorry JRage. I did not see your update until today, I've been away from the site for a while.
Yes the Green Kingston is still working perfectly well, without any issue. I may look for another while they are probably still available or get one of those 1000x lexars.
Thanks for your reply, anyway. ;)
I've been using this green Transcend 32 GB card for almost a year now and can confirm that I haven't had any problems with it - that applies both to using stock kits as well as custom made kits exceeding 1.5 GB.  :rock:

JR
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: nocturnodrummer on October 19, 2017, 01:59:56 PM
(http://ohmcomputer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/sdhc-16gb-190x243.jpg)

Hey guys, has anyone tried this card? I ordered the green one but they send me this... I dont know if I should return it.. I will contact the seller about this. Maybe they can replace it free of charge..
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: nocturnodrummer on October 20, 2017, 10:11:33 AM
Well, the seller claims that it is a better card and i can test it if i want to. I tested it and it's worse than its predecessor. I will post the results later. It was about 1ms of access time and it was not constant. So i guess I have to return it.. Im going for the lexar 1000x now. I will be smarter this time and ask seller to make sure that he sells me the correct card. Sigh...
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Coda on October 20, 2017, 11:40:01 AM
Unfortunately these box-shifters don't usually understand technical things, they just go by demand and marketing. To them "a 1000x card is of course always better than a 500x card"...
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: nocturnodrummer on October 20, 2017, 12:02:10 PM
I tried explaining, he thinks newer is better. But all in vain. On the other hand ust cool of him to let me test it. Now we crossed out another card from our list. I wish we could just plug a ssd instead ;) mimic does that and it works but the price is another story.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: mastervinnie on February 23, 2018, 08:28:21 AM
I just modded my 2Box module and everything worked perfectly. The SD card that I used is the SanDisk Ultra SDHC I 32 Gb - 80Mb/s.

https://goo.gl/images/7EYnYH
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Walse on April 07, 2018, 08:44:46 AM
I am using the same sd card as mastervinnie, SanDisk Ultra SDHC 32GB, much faster than original 2Box sd card and very inexpensive:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/899/40577638404_56f0756395_o.png)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: Walse on April 07, 2018, 08:53:27 AM
About the sd card extender cable, i bought this cheap one:

https://es.aliexpress.com/item/SD-Male-To-SD-Female-SDHC-SDXC-Card-Reader-Extension-Adapter-Cable-Extender-For-Phone-Car/32820269171.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.cRfEnv

The speed test was almost identical to the one obtained without extender:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/871/40577638434_a83c2627d1_o.png)
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: KnipeDrums on July 22, 2018, 08:52:16 PM
I purchased 1 of the SanDisk Ultra  SDHC UHS-1 Card speed is up to 80 MB/s 533x the fist one i put into the card extender works perfectly.  So I purchased another 2 because they were $12.49 each. Seems to be a great card.

http://a.co/9h9PnRA
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: JRage on July 31, 2018, 08:40:02 AM
I purchased 1 of the SanDisk Ultra  SDHC UHS-1 Card speed is up to 80 MB/s 533x the fist one i put into the card extender works perfectly.  So I purchased another 2 because they were $12.49 each. Seems to be a great card.

http://a.co/9h9PnRA

It's an access time not the speed which is most important.
Also use it for some time (at least a month) before reporting - they can work brilliantly at the beginning but degradation can start later.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: KnipeDrums on July 31, 2018, 07:58:22 PM
I will re report after the month is up. Thanks for catching my mistake. As I said, it seems to be a great card.

It was also reported here to be a card that works by others in other posts.  I found them for an amazing price so I wanted to report that it is still available.

Again, thank you for catching my mistake. Always appreciated.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: JRage on August 07, 2018, 12:07:55 PM
Greetings,

I'ts all right, I didn't mean you made a mistake, just wanted to remind myself what was that most important parameter for D5 cards :)
As for longer tests, I was too quick reporting myself when after couple of weeks realized stuttering of samples and I couldn't trust this card anymore.
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: nocturnodrummer on November 12, 2018, 08:43:10 AM
Hi guys, can anyone post a photo or the exact model name of a working 32 gb(or 16gb possibly) sd card that is still available to buy. I scanned through the topic and the lexars seems to be the safest choice. But there are so many types and models... My last two purchases were not successful and I got discouraged :-[

Thanks guys and cheers!

(https://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images1000x1000/lexar_lsd32gcrbna1000_pro_1000x_uhs_2_1090738.jpg)

Can anyone confirm this card?
Title: Re: SD card compatibility list
Post by: nocturnodrummer on January 11, 2019, 04:56:11 PM
Hey, with the help of one of the users I found(actually he did 8) ) a card that actually on the specs performs better than the original ATP card. I do not have the module with me to test it but when I confirm it's good I will post more info! Cheers!