Hi.
Wednesday the Frankfurt Music Messe will open. There we will show the new OS 1.20. I thought I give you a beta preview. Please download here:
www.2box.se/Downloads/drumit120m.bin
Make sure you read the changes file first:
www.2box.se/Downloads/OS_1.20m_beta.pdf
Also, please leave suggestions in this (!) thread. I've followed the wish list and I know there are lots of things left to do. More after the messe.
Enjoy,
Deve.
ps. Please note that at startup it will display 1.11, that's because it's not a full 1.20 yet.
Excellent news - off to check it out - thank you! 8)
Great news, Mr Looper! I´ll probably wait til the full version comes out, but I´m happy to see the improvements. Keep up the good work! :)
Some initial feedback on some areas that I have looked at.
1) The Kit EQ, very nice to tweak some samples that were 'not quite there' to my hearing. 8)
2) The Flanger makes for some interesting sounds.
3) The Metronome 1/4 bar is very useful to have.
4) Kit Swap finally, I will be able to file my own kits quickly and easily.
5) The Hi hat pedal Parameters. I am not sure if this is working as it should (perhaps it is me?)
Firstly the calibration didn't seem to obtain the correct settings and the sound at a lightly open point went watery (for want of a better phrase?)
One area I am now having a problem with is, ironically, cymbals! :-\
I am currently working with non 2Box cymbals and the SW change throws the Smartrigger totally off.
I am getting all bow and no edge. These are dual trigger cymbals, so perhaps this is why but unless I am able to tweak the settings, this would render these third party cymbals unusable, perhaps not a good thing....
I have tried a number of things to correct this, but so far without success.
I appreciate third party cymbals do not come under the scope of the work your are doing for 2Box products, but would you have any suggestions?
That's about it for now from me on first run through.
My only wish list item not mentioned yet - positional sensing on the snare.... will that be in the final release of 1.20?
Quote from: Cuban on April 04, 2011, 11:23:23 PM
5) The Hi hat pedal Parameters. I am not sure if this is working as it should (perhaps it is me?)
Firstly the calibration didn't seem to obtain the correct settings and the sound at a lightly open point went watery (for want of a better phrase?)
One area I am now having a problem with is, ironically, cymbals! :-\
I am currently working with non 2Box cymbals and the SW change throws the Smartrigger totally off.
I am getting all bow and no edge. These are dual trigger cymbals, so perhaps this is why but unless I am able to tweak the settings, this would render these third party cymbals unusable, perhaps not a good thing....
I have tried a number of things to correct this, but so far without success.
I appreciate third party cymbals do not come under the scope of the work your are doing for 2Box products, but would you have any suggestions?
That's about it for now from me on first run through.
I think the HH and the cymbals seem to work a bit better for me...
The Hi hat movement/response seems more natural and improved.
Could be just me, but with all my trigger parameters set as they were before the new OS the bell seems to be more reliable on the cymbals and ride... it seems a little easier to trigger the bell now.
I didn't see anything in the PDF about cymbal performance improvement, but it seems so... Or maybe I am just imagining it.... maybe it is like how your car seems to run better after a carwash ;D
(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Surpris/3d-surpris-non.gif)
What a cool morning!! I will test this as soon as possible!
Quote from: Jman on April 05, 2011, 01:48:21 AM
I think the HH and the cymbals seem to work a bit better for me...
Are your custom builds all triple zone Jerry?
haven't tried it out yet, but there are some very useful enhancements in the new firmware, thanks!
Quote from: Cuban on April 05, 2011, 10:11:34 AM
Are your custom builds all triple zone Jerry?
Graham: Yes. But I redesigned the system for Drumit 5, piezo is in the bell. That might be the difference. I did just test one of my normal 2 zone cymbals that are closer to the Smartrigger 2 zone... my edge works with that too. With gain too high I got only bell plus edge, with gain at 0 I got only bow plus edge ... with gain around 7 I get 3 zones .... not sure if that will help, but try adjusting gain and threshold. Also, make sure your pad type is Cymbal 14 or 12 ... Things you already know, but just thinking out loud... J
Thanks Jerry
I did run through those paramiters last night, but will try again later, reverted to OS1.10 for the moment.
I seem to recall one cymbal that is running via the Tom 3 in put (only using a 5 drum kit) would not allow me to select a cymbal setting (Cymbal 12 or 14), that also may be an issue.
I have some splitters on route, so they may also aid my own personal set up required for this band.
The new EQ feature is great! Makes some of the samples come alive. Also the "Mix" page is much better and easy to read now.
I have heard rumors of support for sound compression (my memory card is 98% full), is this planned or just a rumor?
Will there also be an update of the editor?
Cheers!
ride works better, crash seems to have forgotten how to differentiate between bow and edge??
EQ is great, but not too much use on the kit level! what about on the sound level?? so far i can set the EQ for one sound in the kit and not use it on the others, which is an improvement - no question - but still a little limiting :)
The eq is a very good improvement.
Xtrig: now there is no crosstalk between rim and pad!
Possibility to change kit number with a pad: useful.
I haven't seen any difference with the ride. And no bug.
;D
Have some trouble with the new os:
1> i have a crash sound assigned to tom 4 input, but with the new os its only the bell sound that is heard. The bell sound is also heard when i hit the button 4 on the module?
2> When i stroke a pad in kit mode, the assigned channel is not switched to the current pad. So if i want to change a sample i have to use the padbuttons on the module.
Quote from: rudiman on April 07, 2011, 01:28:13 PM
Have some trouble with the new os:
1> i have a crash sound assigned to tom 4 input, but with the new os its only the bell sound that is heard. The bell sound is also heard when i hit the button 4 on the module?
That's the problem I mentioned above, so perhaps it is not a third party cymbal issue?
Oh god THANK YOU DEVELOPER! I'm recording midi to addictive drums in the studio and had problems with:
- The automatic choke on cymbals.
- That the bell would pass over to bow when the drummer hitted a little softer, this bell-zone settings will proberly help this a little bit.
- Crosstalk, just a little little bit of crosstalk that I can see in the midi-recordings, just a very small amount of this xtalk would proberly help
Thank you very much, now almost every problem is gone! :)
Quote from: rudiman on April 07, 2011, 01:28:13 PM
1> i have a crash sound assigned to tom 4 input, but with the new os its only the bell sound that is heard. The bell sound is also heard when i hit the button 4 on the module?
Try to put a crash sound in the bell zone with Dsoundtool?
These are all great improvements. Specially like the EQ settings
Is it correct that the overall volume of the system is decreased a bit?
Or am I going to be deaf?
Hi Developer, after I loaded 1.20 beta OS the metronome sound becomes inconsistent. Accents seem to be played randomly and also the note sounds in between vary. I'm using Latin Cowbel Std but I also tested some other percussion sounds with the same result.
Another issue is that when I try to playalong with pre-recorded track at certain tempo and I setup the same tempo in the module after approx. 30 second they start to go apart noticeably. I also compared module metronome with some other sources (online metronome) and the same thing happens.
Did anybody else notice?
this happens to me also in version 1.10
dont know why but metronome gets out of count all the time
Quote from: macleod on April 09, 2011, 09:30:33 PM
the metronome sound becomes inconsistent.
I don't know if this problem existed with OS1.10, but we can hear it with the 1929_Timbales sound. Differents layers are played.
When I affect a cymbal sound to a pad, only the bell (zone1) is played and not the bow (zone3).
Finally I have my usual crosstalk between rim and snare, in despite of the use of XTrig.
I didn't notice any change with the general volume.
Hi everybody.
Just back from Frankfurt.
I've read all feedback, thanks.
Will go through it and post an updated beta later.
Some replies:
- eq is once per kit, having one per channel would be way too much processor load.
- there will be a new zone assignment on the ENV page, so one can pick eg. bow from a cymbal sound if it's on a tom channel.
- cymbal bow and edge trig level were increased rel to cup trig level, worked fine with my ex of a production cymbal, however, there seem to be too much variation in the behaviour of cymbals, so I'll make it as 1.10 again.
- avg output level is indeed somewhat lower to allow for positive eq gain.
- switching channel with pads works as long as you don't press a channel button, if you do, the channel selection is locked until you press KIT or UNIT and go back to the page again (same as for 1.10).
- I'll look into the metr accuracy.
- indeed the metr plays diff layers (same as 1.10) however, some sounds have unfortunately too much "character" difference between adjacent layers, but it 1.20 behaves the same as 1.10 in that respect.
- XTRIG is mainly to solve pad-to-pad crosstalk.
Deve.
deve if i get it correctly, you are the engineer of the 2box software. in that case thank you for your hard efforts
please if you can , check the metronome issues. it happens all the time to me, and i notice it because i study exercises with metronome all the time. and when i play lets say for 4 minutes, all of a sudden it plays weird. it loses rhythm. it is as if there is a wav with the correct rhythm and when this wav finishes and starts over, at that point it plays funny and it loses the rhythm.
also, please, please, i know it may be a lot to ask, but can you make also a choice that we can have all beeps of metronome to have the same volume? i dont like to have the first volume being more loud than the others....
once again thank you very very much
ps. mp3 support would also be awesome but i guess you already know that. as would a 100 kit mimitation removal be
thanx once again
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on April 10, 2011, 10:33:08 AM
i dont like to have the first volume being more loud than the others....
I do
So different taste for different folks
For the metronome , maybe it could be nice to have control on the accent velocity ... from max to no accent ... everybody would be happy then.
I didnt try yet , but i think that creating a special dsound with all layers at the same volume , or at customised levels , could fix the problem for people who dont like the accent ...
i agree,if we had the choice to remove the accent of the first beat, ot have it, would be the best thing
but for me the most basic and important thing, is for the metronome to work correctly. cause right now, for me, it doesnt.
and i am forced to use a metronome from my pc, to play. and i hate it cause i have to get up everytime to change the bpms
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on April 10, 2011, 12:08:42 PM
i agree,if we had the choice to remove the accent of the first beat, ot have it, would be the best thing
I don't have the Beta version loaded now, I have reverted to OS1.10, but was that not the Beta upgrade option on the metronome?
"The metronome BAR parameter has a 1/4 bar which can be used when a single accent is sufficient."?
It was late at night when I tried it, so my memory is jaded already on it. ;D
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on April 10, 2011, 02:44:57 AM
this happens to me also in version 1.10
dont know why but metronome gets out of count all the time
I never experienced such problems ... Maybe you have a bad SD card problem ...
no this isnt the issue. i called the distributors and they told me they replaced it before sending it to me...i dont think they lied
I would like to know if someone of you noticed any improvements for the hihat by using the 1.20 firmware.
My problem is, that there are still not many half open steps to hear and to feel, - btw. the "sweet spot" for half open Hihats is IMO way too small. Also the difference between edge and bow sound is very little.
I tried to create a Hihat with 5 half open steps by using Dsoundtool - without any satisfiying result.
First - the program told me that there would'nt be enought memory (I changed that several times without any noticed success) but maybe I'm too dumb to get it. And even with 3 half open steps, ther wasn't a change to hear??
Does anybody of you know what I'm doing wrong? ??? ??? ???
Thanx a lot
Andrew van der Funken
Quote from: edtc on April 10, 2011, 12:06:26 PM
I didnt try yet , but i think that creating a special dsound with all layers at the same volume , or at customised levels , could fix the problem for people who dont like the accent ...
i finally tried and it works ... i posted a link there ...
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,784.msg7779.html#msg7779
have a nice week folks
Hi again.
I tested the metronome (for the umpth time), it ticks just right.
Compared with an Android app (Mobile Metronome ver 1.2.3), just the same.
Also, would you like a higher pitch first tick better?
Deve.
i personally would like all the ticks to be the same. but since different people like different things, perhaps we could get options?
also about the ticking of the metronome. all isaid is that it ticks correctly, until it fails.that is for me.
it plays ok and all of a syddenit kinda stucks.and loses the rhytm and after 2 seconds it is back on track. this really annoying as it makes me lose the rhythm...
perhaps i have a corrupted file or something? i dunno. but the distributors i got it from, told me that they replaced the sd....
what can i say...
perhaps the problem is only for me. is ther a way i can fix it? thanx
...just made a straight one , so we can wait for the update ...
http://www.4shared.com/file/sQXvNEPH/edtclic2.html
:patbat2box:
by the way , i m quite sure your problem is from the sd card ... maybe the distributor just made an error when switching the SDcard ... error is human...
you are awesome mate thanx
ps
i thought that in karma it said "smile" and i was givin karma to all of you helpful people by pressing both applaud and smite. so if you see negative karma it was by accident please dont be agree with me
i was stupid
... no problem B.A. , as i said error is human... and human is error...:)
you know, such answers, show what a great community we are and what a wonderfull team of people,we alla are. tahnx again
i stop now the offtopic
so is it possible that the metronome problem i have, will be solved if i upgrade the firmware, or perhaps since i may have something corrupted, the problem will remain?
i m not sure a firmware update could solve the problem ...
Maybe you could open the module ( carefully) , take a picture of your SDcard , and send it to the distributor so they can check if you have a good one ... i had a faulty SDcard model , it was red with "team" written on it ...
did your module ever freeze ?
So this 1.20 m is still a beta version, when we can expect the full 1.20 update?
will this update the ride triggering? because I think the ride triggering is still not good, when hitting it with low velocity it triggers bad.
It s just my opinion , but i dont think that the "bell" issue will be fixed one day ....
the drumit is 2 years old , if there was a way to improve it , they'd surely found it for a long time ...
Wave analysis works quite well if you hit the cymbal "the way it should be "... I dont mean ther is a propper way to play , but drumit5 brain "waits" for a certain signal to undrestand he has to play a bell sound...
i dont see how a light hit on the bell could trigger a bell sound ...
As Deve said , there are some slight differencies in the product line and that makes it more difficult ....
Just my point of view :
if people wants a realy reliable 3 zones , it has to have 2 piezo and a switch .... but it needs a dedicated third input ....
Another idea is a cymbal without rubber on the bell (like some DrMarteens in the eighties ;) ), then the signal will be more different from bow to bell ( sharper & louder for bell and more dull for bow ), making analysis easier ....
But with the actual hardware , i guess it s a dead end ...
Quote from: edtc on April 11, 2011, 11:57:10 AM
i m not sure a firmware update could solve the problem ...
Maybe you could open the module ( carefully) , take a picture of your SDcard , and send it to the distributor so they can check if you have a good one ... i had a faulty SDcard model , it was red with "team" written on it ...
did your module ever freeze ?
thanx for the reply mate
my module has never frozen
the distributor said he replaced the sd card before he sent it. (because we live in greece and it is common for people to do stupid things, perhaps he didnt change it, but i have no reason at this point not to believe him)
anyway, in ten days i am waiting for a 32gb sd card. so i will replace either way, my own card. the thing is, since i may have some corrupted files, where can i get uncorrupted files from?
can i download them from somewhere perhaps?
As your module is under warranty , ask for a new sdcard... the one they put in has maybe a default , even if its a new one... if your module isnt fully functionnal , they have to do something for you ...
did you try with another sound for the clic ? if you think that you have corrupted files , is the problem still there when you use another ? or maybe it s one in the kit you use ... then try another kit ...
thanx mate i will try new sound and also try an upgrade tomorrow morning.
well i fear they will say they replaced the card and refuse to send another one.
but since i will probably send them the bass drum to make it mk2(if i dont transform it myself), i may send them also the brain...
will try these things first and then see..thanx
edit
ok i upgraded and also i copied the metronome files.but mate, perhaps something changed and in unit section there is no metronome section to choose the files you made....
i will check tomorrow when i will study to see if metronome now works. it needs some time to check it properly so i wil lanswer tomorrow when i am sure. hopefully it will be fixed.
btw awesome work this upgrade
close to perfection.
i have to say thank you to all that worked on it. mp3 support and tehn we can die happily
lol
ok now i have news
the metronome going nuts all the time, has fixed a lot after i did the upgrade but there is still a problem
i have it to count 4/4
and while it doesnt lose the rhythm like before, at often times, it replaces one beep with a hish. static i would call it. it sounds as if the headphones get moved and they produce static. weird thing is that this static always replaces a beep, never gets out of rhythm and it also happens when i connect the 2box also to my pc. not just the headphones. even more weird is tah the cable of the headphones or the pc speakers, doesnt get moving at all.
only thing i can guess is that i have something corrupted which in the new update makes a different bug
i am so sad
what can i do? i dont know
can i download from somewhere the files that i should replace from scratch, in my sd card and check if it gets fixed?
apart from that the update seems to be so awesome!!!!
many cheers to deve loper
Hi.
There still seem to be struggles with the hihat open-closed range. Here's a test sound which has a voice saying "0" when open to "10" when closed. A foot splash will say "pedal".
www.2box.se/downloads/HiHat0to10pedal.dsnd
If the calibration is ok, you should be able to get all 11 positions (0 to 10) when hitting the hihat while slowly closing the hihat.
Please test this to check if your hihat behaviour is ok. If you still can't get the right range of open to closed sounds, then that's probably due to the hihat sounds themselves. The DrumIt software automatically divides the open to closed range in as many steps as the sound "offers". Our factory hihats have between 2 (electric type) to 4 (acoustic type) levels.
Deve.
Quote from: Deve Loper on April 13, 2011, 08:43:20 AM
Hi.
There still seem to be struggles with the hihat open-closed range. Here's a test sound which has a voice saying "0" when open to "10" when closed. A foot splash will say "pedal".
www.2box.se/downloads/HiHat0to10pedal.dsnd
If the calibration is ok, you should be able to get all 11 positions (0 to 10) when hitting the hihat while slowly closing the hihat.
Please test this to check if your hihat behaviour is ok. If you still can't get the right range of open to closed sounds, then that's probably due to the hihat sounds themselves. The DrumIt software automatically divides the open to closed range in as many steps as the sound "offers". Our factory hihats have between 2 (electric type) to 4 (acoustic type) levels.
Deve.
what a great way to test the hi hat if it works properly. this is helpful for everyone. thank you so much
now about the sounds, is there a way we will get offered sounds for the hi hat , from the official site, that have many levels? more than 4?
thanx once again
after reading the forum it just struck me. my brain sounds like a screw is unplugged from its place and moves around. is it possible tha tthis screw moves around while i play and touches something that shouldnt be touched?thus creating that static sound?
or can it also be the adapter overwarming?
i am waiting for the distributor to upload the 2box files so that i transfer them and see if everything gets fixed...
i will post the results
edit
while practising again, i did something i never did after the update
i played without the metronome. still the static sound appeared
so to summarise.
with 1.10 firmware, all i noticed was the metronome performing very bad, out of time etc.
after i updated to latest firmware. metronome seems to work fine , but now random static sounds appearwhether i play with metronome or not
the point i made earlier in this post, that a screw might hit somewhere and make the static, is not valid, as while i only play lightly the snare and nothing else, still the static appears
the point that perhaps the adapter is faulty, or misbehaves when hot (mine gets very hot) could be valid though.
i am waiting on the new files from the distributor. once he sends them i will post again. otherwise i guess that the module will go for repair. still, before the update, it worked fine?
when will come the official 1.20 version? will this update have better playing feel for the ride cymbal?
i guess it will come soon. be patient my friend. deve and all at 2box really provide excellent aftersales and support. i love that we always get updates!!!!
2box rocks
I`ve tested the 1.20 Beta. Very nice to have an EQ! Nice Mixer Page. But: To get Bellsound on Ride is velocity sensitiv, i think the "switchoverpoint" is now to low! If i play the Ride on the bow, i often get a very quite Bellsound instead of a louder bow sound. So it would be good, if you could set the velocity point where the bellsound appears in software for your own playing style.
Best wishes
Mopsi
Very nice to have EQ indeed, we (the band) are doing a coverband thing at a local bar next week, the 2box will be used 'cause a acoustic set would be too loud. The EQ will really help make the drum pop out, I think a lot of treble get lost when a set is mic'd up.
Quote from: Funkstation777 on April 10, 2011, 04:20:26 PM
I would like to know if someone of you noticed any improvements for the hihat by using the 1.20 firmware.
My problem is, that there are still not many half open steps to hear and to feel, - btw. the "sweet spot" for half open Hihats is IMO way too small. Also the difference between edge and bow sound is very little.
it would be good if you could adjust the crossover points for each hihat position independently...
as far as the difference between edge and bow sounds, that is to do with the samples themselves, not the triggering.
Quote from: Deve Loper on April 13, 2011, 08:43:20 AM
Hi.
There still seem to be struggles with the hihat open-closed range. Here's a test sound which has a voice saying "0" when open to "10" when closed. A foot splash will say "pedal".
www.2box.se/downloads/HiHat0to10pedal.dsnd
If the calibration is ok, you should be able to get all 11 positions (0 to 10) when hitting the hihat while slowly closing the hihat.
Please test this to check if your hihat behaviour is ok. If you still can't get the right range of open to closed sounds, then that's probably due to the hihat sounds themselves. The DrumIt software automatically divides the open to closed range in as many steps as the sound "offers". Our factory hihats have between 2 (electric type) to 4 (acoustic type) levels.
Deve.
mate i opened my kit in the editor, i changed the hihat sound to yours, i saved it and went to the kit to check it and the new sound wasnt there. any ideas about that?
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on April 16, 2011, 06:41:02 PM
mate i opened my kit in the editor, i changed the hihat sound to yours, i saved it and went to the kit to check it and the new sound wasnt there. any ideas about that?
All I did was put his .dsnd file in the Hi Hat sound folder with all the rest of the HH .dsnd's . That's all you have to do. Then when you want to test just exchange that sound for the Hi Hat.
i know i am boring you with my problems. so apologies beforehand. bear with me please
as i had mentioned, with this beta update whenever i play, after a while, i hear static sounds, every now and then. really irritating sounds.
well, i got back to 1.10 firmware. crazy thing is that now the metronome problems i had with 1.10 seem to have gone away.i havent practised enough to be 110% sure but they seem to be gone.
so is it possible tha the problems i have are specific to 1.20?
it puzzles me that noone else has the static.
probably i have a small problem that triggers the static in 1.20 but isnt so obvious in 1.10?
i will send the brain to the distributor next week, but i am so puzzled i thought id ask your opinions
edit. i wished tha tthe metronome problems in 1.10 got away.well they havent. just to let you know...
so in 1.10 metronome is incosistent, in 1.20 beta metrionome is fine but static appears all over the place....oh well
Could the static sound be due to a bad AC adapter?
really hope so mate. i will send the brain and the adapter to the distributor on tiesday. i will inform you all when i have more news. thanx
i do not know if i should ask it here or in the requests but anyway...
is it possible that we can have the metronome, loudest volume, to be a bit louder?
i know that we could lower the volume of all pads so the metronome would still be louder but that is a pain in the @ss to do every time.
just a thought. thanx
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on April 21, 2011, 09:45:24 AM
is it possible that we can have the metronome, loudest volume, to be a bit louder?
I guess it is possible ...
when I tried to make the Dsound with "same volumes ticks" , i had to lower the level(-6db ) of the first tick sound ( top velocity layer...) to match the other ticks loudness ...
so i guess that if deve loper modify the midi volume of the metronome , it could sound close to four times louder ...
by the way it could be nice if we could chose the velocity ourselves for first tick (accent) and the others ... so everybody could set it as they like it ...
have a nice day ..
all these are great ideas. thanx to you mate and thanx to deve for all his help support and effort
2box rules
Hmm the ride works much worse with this version than the last one. I get either a weak "middleridesound" or a weak bell now when playing on the middle of the ride, it actually workds so bad with the ride that I have to change back to 1.10
another great thing as i stumbled upon today while practising, would be to have a fast forward, rewind, play and stop function in the sings we pla ythrough the brain. thanx
Quote from: hwasser on April 24, 2011, 02:00:14 PM
Hmm the ride works much worse with this version than the last one. I get either a weak "middleridesound" or a weak bell now when playing on the middle of the ride, it actually workds so bad with the ride that I have to change back to 1.10
The Ride feel is still worse 2box should update this problem in the next os. I think its one of the most importent things to do.Because the toms,snare,kickd and hihat works excellent.
well i think i have more of a hi hat problem than with ride...
my hi hat seems to have some areas, thatif you hit it there, no sound is triggered? seems strange....
Quote from: Deve Loper on April 04, 2011, 08:59:24 PM
Hi.
Wednesday the Frankfurt Music Messe will open. There we will show the new OS 1.20. I thought I give you a beta preview. Please download here:
www.2box.se/Downloads/drumit120m.bin
Make sure you read the changes file first:
www.2box.se/Downloads/OS_1.20m_beta.pdf
Also, please leave suggestions in this (!) thread. I've followed the wish list and I know there are lots of things left to do. More after the messe.
Enjoy,
Deve.
ps. Please note that at startup it will display 1.11, that's because it's not a full 1.20 yet.
Dear Developer,
I have tried if for a while with my 2box brain #1309. I have not replace the SD-CARD yet because there were no problems with version 1.11. However when I load 1.20 it always locks up at path #9 not immediatly but after playing a number of hits at the same time. I need to power-cycle the box as it does not respond anymore. Reverting back to 1.11 fixes the problem.
I will request a new SD-CARD from the distributor to see if this has to do with the new firmware or a the infamous broken SD-card issue.
J-W,
any ideas on this one?
after i installed the beta, cymbal1 will only produce crash and bell sounds...mostly crash sounds on every zone though...it shows all different zones on the trigger page, cymbal works fine, cause this only happens on the cymb1 input...
if there was something wrong with the input, the brain wouldn't show the different zones, right?
so is this a software problem? am i the only one with this problem in 1.20beta?
Quote from: spoenk on April 27, 2011, 01:45:09 PM
any ideas on this one?
after i installed the beta, cymbal1 will only produce crash and bell sounds...mostly crash sounds on every zone though...it shows all different zones on the trigger page, cymbal works fine, cause this only happens on the cymb1 input...
if there was something wrong with the input, the brain wouldn't show the different zones, right?
so is this a software problem? am i the only one with this problem in 1.20beta?
No actually same here.. it triggers edge on bow
2box must take on those cymbal problems especially the ride, i hope they will update this next OS, then they can concentrate on other problems.but I think that the cymbals are the issue for new customers.
Thanks developer for this update.
Good work so far. I like the parametric Eq Section. This could be very helpful to filter some bad frequencies or to manipulate a sound very effective. Also the HiHat midi bugfixes are great when using 2Box with Logic an something like SuperiorDrummer. But I have found an issue when using my 32Gb SD Card.
After Bootsequence i get an Message: "Unaligned Cluster"! I hope that tis is not a new feature of 1.20 to avoid using bigger sd cards ;-).
Best wishes
MarkuZ
Quote from: MarkuZ on April 27, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
Thanks developer for this update.
Good work so far. I like the parametric Eq Section. This could be very helpful to filter some bad frequencies or to manipulate a sound very effective. Also the HiHat midi bugfixes are great when using 2Box with Logic an something like SuperiorDrummer. But I have found an issue when using my 32Gb SD Card.
After Bootsequence i get an Message: "Unaligned Cluster"! I hope that tis is not a new feature of 1.20 to avoid using bigger sd cards ;-).
Best wishes
MarkuZ
I've been using this new beta OS with the same 32GB card as you with no problems at all ... so I would think it must be something else causing your boot error.
Quote from: spoenk on April 27, 2011, 01:45:09 PM
any ideas on this one?
after i installed the beta, cymbal1 will only produce crash and bell sounds...mostly crash sounds on every zone though...it shows all different zones on the trigger page, cymbal works fine, cause this only happens on the cymb1 input...
if there was something wrong with the input, the brain wouldn't show the different zones, right?
so is this a software problem? am i the only one with this problem in 1.20beta?
No problem with cymbal triggering here, I have edge, bow and bell on each cymbal.
I'm sure now: Xtrig reduces a lot crosstalk between pad and rim.
Hi,
Same issue here with 1.20 beta : "Unaligned Cluster" message.
It's the genuine SD card inside the unit.
Never had a problem before...
:-[
Thanks Kos-mos, thats interesting!
My original 4GB card has no problems, only the SanDisk 32GB Card.
I have formated it several times (with a Windows PC) and tried again. But no chance.
I get another message now: FAT_S_0512_C_16k ??? ???
I hope this problems only occur with the beta.
Regards MarkuZ
Quote from: MarkuZ on May 03, 2011, 06:18:17 PM
Thanks Kos-mos, thats interesting!
My original 4GB card has no problems, only the SanDisk 32GB Card.
I have formated it several times (with a Windows PC) and tried again. But no chance.
I get another message now: FAT_S_0512_C_16k ??? ???
I hope this problems only occur with the beta.
Regards MarkuZ
That error occurs if you try to format your card with Windows Explorer. It uses 16K clusters. You need 32K clusters and you need to format the card from the COMMAND PROMPT. Start the command prompt and type this in :
Format E: /FS:FAT32 /A:32K
replace E with whatever drive letter your card shows up as
/FS:=Filesystem
/A:=Cluster Size
That will fix it.
Snyde
i formatted in windows 7, with 32 kb cluster. you think windows lied and i have to format, your way?
Same cymbal issues for me with the 1.2 beta: All my cymbals bows trigger bells and the ride just doesn't trigger all hits:(
Reverting to 1.1 for now.
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on May 04, 2011, 06:08:17 AM
i formatted in windows 7, with 32 kb cluster. you think windows lied and i have to format, your way?
No, not unless you see the error message:
FAT_S_0512_C_16k
and the brain goes no farther when booting up.
If it does you need to reformat using Windows explorer, making sure the allocation size says 32kilobytes, or from the command line using:
Format E: /FS:FAT32 /A:32K (Substitute your card's drive letter for E:)
Snyde
thank you for this very useful reply!cheers
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on May 05, 2011, 10:11:53 AM
thank you for this very useful reply!cheers
Hopefully it'll save someone some time if they get this message and are freaking out over it. ;D
Snyde
Thanx snidley for that hint. I know about that 32k. clustersize and had choosen this option when formated the card with the explorer but as it seems, windows made it different :(.
Know with the console comand format i get the "unaligned cluster" message again! :'(
More ideas anybody?
Quote from: MarkuZ on May 06, 2011, 10:42:45 PM
More ideas anybody?
I'm not sure that it will work, but you can try to use the BootUpdater1.3 after formatting the sd card?
http://www.2box.se/Pages/bootcode-update.html (http://www.2box.se/Pages/bootcode-update.html)
Don't use the boot updater if you already have boot 1.30 or 1.32!
The unaligned cluster message is a warning about the format of the card.
All cards delivered with DrumIt have 32 kB clusters all starting at x * 32 kB, aligned at multiples of their own size that is. This is for optimizing the audio playback.
All changes to the memory format are at the users own risk.
Deve.
Quote from: Deve Loper on May 07, 2011, 07:00:03 PM
Don't use the boot updater if you already have boot 1.30 or 1.32!
The unaligned cluster message is a warning about the format of the card.
All cards delivered with DrumIt have 32 kB clusters all starting at x * 32 kB, aligned at multiples of their own size that is. This is for optimizing the audio playback.
All changes to the memory format are at the users own risk.
Deve.
Deve,
Can you advise us how we format our cards properly in Windows/Linux/Mac O/S to optimize the audio playback? Many of us have purchased new SD cards, and if you could tell us the correct format method we could resolve the issue ourselves. The general rule has been to format the SD card with a 32kb cluster size before copying the drumit data onto the card, but this is the first time I have heard that allignment of those clusters affects the actual performance of the module. Can you clarify?
Hi.
It's generally a bad idea to reformat SD cards. Since they are based on rather large erase blocks (NAND Flash technology), the factory format of the card should be retainded. With few exceptions, I have not encountered large SD cards with cluster size other than 32 kB, so no need to reformat.
Windows doesn't "know" it's an SD card, so it might do formatting based on other disk access prerequisites. For NAND Flash, having the clusters aligned is best.
Some SD card manufacturers have their own SD card format utilities, try SanDisk.
Deve.
Quote from: Deve Loper on May 08, 2011, 10:13:29 AM
Hi.
It's generally a bad idea to reformat SD cards. Since they are based on rather large erase blocks (NAND Flash technology), the factory format of the card should be retainded. With few exceptions, I have not encountered large SD cards with cluster size other than 32 kB, so no need to reformat.
Windows doesn't "know" it's an SD card, so it might do formatting based on other disk access prerequisites. For NAND Flash, having the clusters aligned is best.
Some SD card manufacturers have their own SD card format utilities, try SanDisk.
Deve.
Deve when we can expect the full OS 1.20? will this update, fix the weird ride triggering,when playing the ride with low velocity.
Try this (seems PC only though):
http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter_3/
Read this too:
http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/cs_calign.html
1.20 release will have adjustable bow/edge trigger level while the cup is fixed.
This allows to set the bow level so it does not generate cup zone triggers.
Deve.
Quote from: Deve Loper on May 08, 2011, 02:17:33 PM
Try this (seems PC only though):
http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter_3/
Read this too:
http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/cs_calign.html
1.20 release will have adjustable bow/edge trigger level while the cup is fixed.
This allows to set the bow level so it does not generate cup zone triggers.
Deve.
Thanks for the tip. I downloaded that format tool and am formatting one card that didn't seem to format correctly previously. A quick question. I have cards that I previously formatted in Windows 7 to the Fat 32 32Kbyte format. The card is working and I've been using it for weeks.... no unaligned cluster message. So, should I still reformat this and start over? IE ... is there a possibility the card is not performing to the optimum right now ... not sure if there is any way to tell???? Thanks for helping us out!!! Appreciated, J
Oh and PS .... Excellent addition of bow and edge trigger level adjustments .... perfect! Hats off to you ... to Bengt! I have been buying and playing edrums for many years and have NEVER experienced the kind of commitment/support for a previously released product. It seems the normal procedure is to release ... provide an update, maybe .... offer an expansion card at a substantial fee. Then look forward to the replacement model after that. Your continued, timely improvements to this module that is already very very nice.... are much appreciated!!! J
:rock:
It's working now!
Coool!
Thanx Deve loper for that hint with the SD Formatter.
I think another reason for " Don't format a Flash Device" is the information about write cycles of any cell in an Flashmemory. There is an algorithm to optimize those cycles over all cells because of the limited writecycles.
These infomation is also lost when it was formated right?
Another wish for new software releases:
- I'd like to have an shuttle through a playback or loop option with one of the incremental knobs
- mp3 Support!!
Pleaseeeeeeee
Is there a new 1.2 Beta build? Or is still the same as the first one?
Or is it a private release? :D
When the equalizer is activated on a pad, as well as other functions as Xtrig, it seems that some fast hits are not played (especially on the snare drum).
Overburdened processor?
Edit: in fact softs hits are missed on the snare (Xtrig activated) when the bass drum is played. (?)
After installing 1.20m the PC editor won't open the DrumIt.dkit file.
Quote from: waynec42 on June 19, 2011, 07:37:28 AM
After installing 1.20m the PC editor won't open the DrumIt.dkit file.
I also found that, I simply reverted to the last saved back up which was fine.
Quote from: Cuban on June 19, 2011, 12:45:17 PM
I also found that, I simply reverted to the last saved back up which was fine.
Sound advice -
Always make a backup of the module before tinkering - I have a backup of the original drumit5 SD card on my PC and also the original card, always handy if something goes wrong!
1.20 final version? better ride cymbal playing feel? what about 2box splashes,china,
different cymbal sizes and 14 inch and 8 inch toms? and a fully editor working!
come on 2box :animal:
Quote from: waynec42 on June 19, 2011, 07:37:28 AM
After installing 1.20m the PC editor won't open the DrumIt.dkit file.
Anyone figured out how to open DrumIt.dkit file in with beta installed?
Anyone know when the beta will not be beta anymore :)
I have it on good authority that 1.20 will be released sometime this week.
Fingers crossed.
Quote from: waynec42 on July 12, 2011, 10:28:06 AM
I have it on good authority that 1.20 will be released sometime this week.
Fingers crossed.
Yip Its almost on the 2box site :patbat2box: go 2box!
I didn't try beta, but I still can't wait for new version. Can't wait to see what they improved or added.
New beta version stolen here:http://www.2box.se/Downloads/updates/DrumIt120.bin (http://www.2box.se/Downloads/updates/DrumIt120.bin)
Here you can play cup with edge.
Unofficial link, use it at your own risk.
I've tried it. It says version 1.11 and there is a warning about using beta version, but I had to try it, because I have had some really annoying crosstriggering when playing certain songs and this beta version does eliminate that quite nicely. I didn't look into other changes thou.
Quote from: nonoduweb on July 25, 2011, 04:32:55 AM
New beta version stolen here:http://www.2box.se/Downloads/updates/DrumIt120.bin (http://www.2box.se/Downloads/updates/DrumIt120.bin)
Here you can play cup with edge.
Unofficial link, use it at your own risk.
Hi,
With this later build, i still have the "Unaligned Cluster" issue... :(
Bad luck...
And were is the update???
One thing that I have noticed in this beta that doesn't work and it works in final v1.1 is tap tempo.
EDIT: And you can't save changes made in Editor? :o