Thoughts? http://www.pearldrum.com/epro-preview.html
Ok, honest thoughts while I'm watching the video...
Now that does look pretty sexy! My first decent kit was a Pearl Export so I have a soft spot for Pearl :)
The cymbals look great too, but I wonder how much acoustic noise there is from them...
I don't think Joey Knotslip's demo does them any justice to be honest. Sounds like low-end Roland.
128 whole MB of RAM? Makes my measly 4Gb of RAM seem...wait a minute.... ;D
Nice to hear it has some joke kits in there too, that's what every drummer wants eh?
Must say I'm impressed by the line-up of studios producing sounds for them. FXpansion, Toontrack, Oceanway...
That last latin-ish beat sounded good...but...I think I'm not going to be putting my 2box on ebay any time soon.
Any idea how much it's going to cost?
Quote from: UC on January 12, 2010, 10:25:12 PM
128 whole MB of RAM? Makes my measly 4Gb of RAM seem...wait a minute.... ;D
Well, you shouldn't confound RAM with Flash-Memory. Compared with a common PC, the 4GB Flash-Memory at the 2Box-Brain are the "harddisk". I haven't seen an information about cpu, RAM or other components of the 2Box-Brain. But if the editor (or the spec for the soundfiles) is available someday, we will see what happens if we try to use sounds with 400-500MB for one drum set. I hope the RAM in the brain is large enough.
Greets, Manfred
Quote from: Manfred on January 12, 2010, 10:46:02 PM
Well, you shouldn't confound RAM with Flash-Memory. Compared with a common PC, the 4GB Flash-Memory at the 2Box-Brain are the "harddisk". I haven't seen an information about cpu, RAM or other components of the 2Box-Brain. But if the editor (or the spec for the soundfiles) is available someday, we will see what happens if we try to use sounds with 400-500MB for one drum set. I hope the RAM in the brain is large enough.
Greets, Manfred
According to the video, on can load one single multi-sampled kit into memory, just one. So I guess the other kits are lower sampled files and may not allow for the best playability (dynamics, articulation, etc.).
fair point Manfred, I'll have to listen to that bit again, but I was just surprised that they touted 128Mb as if it was an Amazing Feature - my phone has more than that :)
Edit: okay yeah, it says it has a capacity for 1000 'HD' sounds...I suppose that could mean 2 or 3Gb depending on compression....
Interesting to read what the Pearl community are saying about it...
http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=236830&page=21
There may be a lot of compression going on to work with that 128 MB RAM. Don't know at this point. All I know is that I'm ready for a new drum module. I'm in the USA. Still considering a 2Box module, maybe this new Pearl RED drum module, or if Roland introduces a revampmed TD12 brain may go that way.
We'll see!
Everything in music is about the sound - these sounded like crap. Machine gun crazy - no feel whatsoever. They put everything into the looks - kit looks great - red module like ddrum - hits our subconcious on purpose - no accident - sounds like crap. They may want to sell the shell/pads to us to play on other modules.
The old ddrum 2 smokes any kit made since the ddrum 4. Why in the world would anyone buy something other than an older ddrum or 2box? As soon as we get a great hi hat I hope 2box makes an IPO - I want some stock!
You know what I was thinking exactly the same thing - brain looks like a TD-20X humping a DD4 :D
(http://www.alesis.com/stuff/contentmgr/files/21/535121f3809981bee6d8e9c89cad0aef/medium/dm10_module_front_med.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2q9yyrm.jpg)
DM-10 ;)
I guess the reason why they limited the RAM to 128 MB is that no druzmmer would be patient enough to wait for 40 minutes for a 256 MB kit to load!
Unfortunately even the smallest kits from Toontrack and the other vendors easily needs about 200 MB of RAM.
So the soundquality that is to be expected from this thing is like 50% of EZdrummer!
And if you dont like the kit you just loaded you have to wait another 20 minutes to try out the next one.
Talking about having a good aural memory to A/B any purchased kits to find your favourite.
What a great example of poor research&development!
:rock:
I like the drums and Classic cymbals but I don't like the sounds (so far) at all
It's quite disappointing that a huge company like Pearl introduces an e-kit like this.
(perhaps) Except for the drumheads they didn't develop anything new and only put old wine in other bottles.
But the bottles are new and shiny ;)
I think that a lot of potentional buyers will go for the look and the name.Keep in mind that most edrum customers buy it for home use,because an acoustic kit is too loud.Since this is the 2 box forum,allow me to do a little comparisment,since I am a potential customer.The 2 box sounds better but judging the pictures the pearl looks way better and from all the posts on the 2box hardware I would favour the pearl on this.If I would make a suggestion to 2box I would say,and it might sound drastical,skip the hardware,concentrate on the module (good housing perfect software and new downloadable sounds on regular basis) ,contact drumtec and work toghether.This way you will have a pearl-killer.
When you can buy the module seperate, everybody is happy and can make his own choice.
You will have a choice between the products that are compatible.But like you said,when the modulle is availble everybody will be happy,which means there is a good demand for the module.My thought would be then,ok get the module out and spent the time used now on al this hardware on the module and software for it,let others concentrate on the hardware and combine the best of both worlds
Quote from: Calimero on January 13, 2010, 10:25:45 AM
But the bottles are new and shiny ;)
I think that a lot of potentional buyers will go for the look and the name.Keep in mind that most edrum customers buy it for home use,because an acoustic kit is too loud.Since this is the 2 box forum,allow me to do a little comparisment,since I am a potential customer.The 2 box sounds better but judging the pictures the pearl looks way better and from all the posts on the 2box hardware I would favour the pearl on this.If I would make a suggestion to 2box I would say,and it might sound drastical,skip the hardware,concentrate on the module (good housing perfect software and new downloadable sounds on regular basis) ,contact drumtec and work toghether.This way you will have a pearl-killer.
Hi Calimero
The thing with a forum is that 9 times out of 10 you are going to hear about issues that people have had with a product, that is the nature of the beast, which isn't a bad thing, but it can sometimes make issues seem a lot more wide spread then what they are. There is a very small percentage of people on this forum with kits at the moment, compared to the amount of users out there that have them, but dont visit this forum.
From our last shipment that came in all i have had to do is send out three pads (1 x kick, 1 x snare and 1 x cymbal) and some replacement mesh heads (4 in total), which in my opinion is pretty good going.
Thanks
Scott
Selling only the module is not a good option I think.
The possibility to buy the module seperate is.
There are always people who want's a complete set out of the box.
Also the investment that already is made wiil be thrown away.
The hardware isn't so bad, need changes at some points but I think they work hard on it.
I don't like the just 2 colors to choose from option either
I want red sparkle
Quote from: puttenvr on January 13, 2010, 04:34:27 PM
I don't like the just 2 colors to choose from option either
I want red sparkle
Iam curious because the dm 10 pro has a single zone hihat, will pearl offer single zone or dual zone hihat?
One of the things that attracted me to the Drumit 5 was the look, which also included the stand hardware. The Drumit 5 looks totally different from any other e-drum set out there because of the pad, stand and color scheme combination. I own and have owned several e-drum kits through the years, including a Roland TD-20, Simmons V and SDX and they do not have the contemporary look that the Drumit 5 has. It looks just as good in the living room as it would in the studio or on stage, which means that it probably has the best WAF (wife acceptance factor) in the market. A point to consider next time you have a gripe about the stand hardware is that it does not look or perform like the other e-drums out there, it stands out above the rest. So, just consider it a work in progress, that with some adjustment by a company that fully supports their product, will eventually get its customers and users to the place that they have been begging for - e-drum nirvana!!!
OK I have been away from the office today and been itching to watch that video, and have just done so now...
Hmmmmm.
The toms/snare sound awful (in my opinion) and HH doesn't sound too nice either. From what I can here the ride and some crashes/splashes/chinas sound nice (bell, edge etc).
BUT.....
Most people buy an eKit because they are somewhat smaller and quieter than an acoustic one. This is virtually identical in size to an acoustic kit and I can see (not hear) a massive amount of acoustic noise happening, maybe. If they have created heads that feel, look and sound like real heads, then I'm sure they will! And eCymbals made from brass??? This is going to be louder than than my Sabians!
I just think Pearl are jumping on the bandwagon and have maybe done it without any real R&D into what people actually want from an eKit.
As for the collaboration of other sound manufacturers, this is the only thing where Pearl will succeed in this arena as they are a massive well known company - and companies like to be associated with names like Pearl.
I will NOT be getting rid of my DrumIt Five soon.... or ever!
I like Pearl (my acoustic kit is one) but I think they may have jumped on this without any real thought.
Perhaps Pearl feels the economic crisis as well and now jump into anything that moves: the e-drum market. Today Roland sells more kits than Pearl. That's to think about.
given that the module appears to be a rebranded DM10, most likely those eCymbals are rebranded Surge cymbals...
You guys, cannot complain about the color, you are 2Box fans. Really. Please. Do not even go down that road, because you will lose.
My thoughts on this: not something I would use/10
Of course, it's not as simple as that. So I look further, and I see...
superfluous product/10
I mean, it's not even theirs. Is it? They're smarttrigger drum heads, DM10 module, FXpansion/Tunetrack/Slate sound libraries, and Pearl doesn't even make their own acoustic cymbals so there's no way these are original products either. The only thing Peral here are the shells, and even those already existed years before the product came out. Which is funny, considering that the marketing hype before this was "A completely revolutionary new product that will rock the EDrum industry and change the face of music... FOR EVER!" That's not hyperbole from me, which I do love, that is entirely along the lines of what the actual reps were saying.
So, let's leave aside the fact that I have no interest in an e-Drum system in an acoustic shell because I am somewhat apathetic towards stylistic things and prefer the substantive advantage of having small pads and a set that folds for easy transport. I'm quite aware that not only do others disagree with me on this but that I'm apparently in the minority here. Fine, whatever. I accept that this is something a lot of people want and will pay a horrific amount of money for. So. For those people. Is this a winner? Frankly, I dont' think so, because it's all rebranded. If you want the DM10, buy a DM10; if you want BFD in your DM10, buy that expansion, and if you want smarttriggers to play on, buy those... and then if you want to put them in Pearl shells, buy those. Or Tama shells. Or DW shells. Or Sonor shells. The world... is your oyster!
However. How-ever.
The one thing that these things can do that I think is new and kind of useful is that you can switch the electronics out with a minimum of fuss and then have your acoustic kit. Someone said it in another thread earlier, but edrums are everywhere, and thanks to sponsorship deals nobody is allowed to talk about it. Rush uses edrusm everywhere and they hide it by putting the pads in DW shells. This is just hte next logical progression of that. I can see why it'd be Pearl who'd make that move because Joey, as a producer, needs the ease of VST samples and then, as a Pearl drum endorsee with signature snare line, also needs his acoustic drum reputation to not be besmearched by the dirtydirtyevil secret of him using Stevenslate getting out. I'm sure there's quite a few other drummers that are in his exact same position; Jarzombek has cymbal endorsements yet most of the time you see him recording for FXpansion. Portnoy has been very vocal about his Sabien and Tama sponsorships even to the tune of trying to sell people the rhythm watch, and that is the only reason I can think of for why you'd try and tell aspiring drummers that they need a $100 metronome. I could go on but there's no point. That's not even covering all of the gothic metal drummers that blend their drums with samples live and don't tell anyone.
So I see this product being useful for that one reason alone, however, I think it's only useful for established drummers in the music business and not nearly as important to those that are just starting out. Fortunately that woudl make the market for this product people who have money, so they'll make a killing, and any competition in teh edrum scene is a good thing as it forces everyone to play catchup with each other. Now Roland is the only player left still clinging to modeling and this will squeeze them more. So that's a good thing, too. But as for the product itself? Yawn.
Quote from: Manfred on January 12, 2010, 10:46:02 PM
Well, you shouldn't confound RAM with Flash-Memory. Compared with a common PC, the 4GB Flash-Memory at the 2Box-Brain are the "harddisk". I haven't seen an information about cpu, RAM or other components of the 2Box-Brain. But if the editor (or the spec for the soundfiles) is available someday, we will see what happens if we try to use sounds with 400-500MB for one drum set. I hope the RAM in the brain is large enough.
Greets, Manfred
Hi, I don't know if I will help :P...
I think the 2 box brain uses the 4gb as a ram. It would take a lot of time uploading the samples from the flash memory in another ram when you change the kit number. I think it loads only the headers of the dsnd files in its ram (32 mb?).
Quote from: drew on January 14, 2010, 01:11:17 AM
So, let's leave aside the fact that I have no interest in an e-Drum system in an acoustic shell because I am somewhat apathetic towards stylistic things and prefer the substantive advantage of having small pads and a set that folds for easy transport. I'm quite aware that not only do others disagree with me on this but that I'm apparently in the minority here.
I also do appreciate the easy transport of e-drums. I really don't mind if I don't have to carry my acoustic drumset around anymore.
TBesides 2box two of the most innovative company's on the planet are Yamaha & Roland! The new DTX from Yamaha looks amazing especially the new silicone pads. Check the videos out at: http://dtxdrums.yamaha.com/library/t...drums/dtx950k/
Re the Epro from Pearl, Keep in mind the reason Pearl does not have anyone making electronics in a technology wing at their factory is because it doesn't exist! Pearl bought this entire idea from another company - which means there is a middle man that results in higher costs and warranty issues. The r.e.d.box from Pearl is a rebranded Alesis DM10!
Re the Epro from Pearl...Here is a quote from "Brundlefly" at drummerworld.com who has just played it at namm "Played them today. Overall, I think they may be the worst electronic kit I ever played. I also played the Alesis drums and they are in fact, the same. Same brain, same sounds, same hi-hat mechanism. And just like that kit, the hi-hat is almost unplayable and the dynamics are practically non-existent across the entire kit. I was very disappointed because the basic idea of having a convertible kit is great. Too bad they partnered up with Alesis and pushed out a half-assed product.
Exciting new products in the edrum world include: The MULTI 12 from Yamaha (which allows you to load your own sounds into it) http://dtxdrums.yamaha.com/library/t...s/dtx_multi12/
The new Roland Octapad SPD-30 http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=spd-30
Korg's new Wave drum. and also the new TMI from Alternate Mode is getting great response.
As it stands, the best use for Pearl's new e-kit is to actually use it as an acoustic kit that can be converted into a nearly silent practice kit. in That regard , it does pretty well".
But we already had acoustic kits, which can be converted to e-kits
So what's new?
And please look at this
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/SoCalMike/DeeDubs/DSCN0488.jpg)
This is a thick shell which resembles the Pearl Rhythm Traveller I had.
Cheap wood with a simple, single 45 degree bearing edge which causes a minimum acoustic characteristics
I don't understand. Why use acoustic (big) shells, which do have no function at all regardeing the reproduction/triggering of the electronic drumsound. I think there is a risk that the acoustic shell will make to much sound themselves. And they are bulky carrying around... I don't shame myself that my 2box is looking like a real electronic kit. It is as functional as it is and has no wood which woudl only count for the looks but has the disadvantages mentioned before.
Compliments for the hardware from pearl. I wish they had done that at 2box.
The only function is/could be that you can switch to real acoustic drums, if you want
Another drawback regarding the Pearl E-pro: you can only load 1 (lush) VST kit into the small memory and NOT take the snaredrum from one VST kit with the tomtoms from another. I read on other forums that the hihat is single zone and the rims have only one volume. Nice try, Pearl ... nice try ...
everybody saying that the redbox has only got 128 mb ram memory.
remember that the ddrum 4 se module has 8 mb memory,they sounded for real.
so can the pearl sound like a ddrum 4 se I think its possible or Iam wrong about that?
No that's right. The amount of memory has nothing to do with the quality of sounds. But with a limited memory you can't load tons of VST sounds (which are huge) in the module. So the Pearl module is very limited, almost useless in that way. Then the internal sounds must be the selling points. And unfortunately (like a lot of people say) they aren't
some guy on the vdrums.com forum about the pearl e-pro live and the 2box kit:
Pearl E Pro's What a ripoff
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You guys called it, you proved that this new incredible drum brain is nothing more than a Alesis DT 10 Brain with a different outside case and a few different Icons. I saw all the youtube videos for Alesis and it is the same dam thing. The rip off will be when they take these aftermarket Superior, BFD, Oceanway customized kits and sell each kit for 1/3 to 1/2 of what the whole dam toontrack library would cost. They say the internal memory is a miniscule 128 MB, now compare that to the 2 BOX brain which has memory in the gigabytes, this RED Box/Alesis thing can only handle ONE, only one of the aftermarket kits loaded into memory, so you will have to carry a laptop anyway, so why not just go this all the sounds on a laptop running VST's and have all the kits you could possible want. This Pear thing is going to tank, and bite the dust. The 2 BOX kit may hold the answer but their pads look like fragile crap, cant believe ex DDRUM engineers would produce such a flimzy piece of poop rack and pads. The best thing I have seen is Mikey VPT's RET stuff, where they setup packages tweaked and ready to play, I may dump my TD 20 Pro and go for one of their packages. I just wanted to be able to try one out before I buy again, I am tired of spending enormous amounts of cash on mediocre sounds.
QuoteThe 2 BOX kit may hold the answer but their pads look like fragile crap, cant believe ex DDRUM engineers would produce such a flimzy piece of poop rack and pads.
I think we all know that's a bunch of arse.
Not saying his opinion is worthless or anything but if If I had $4-$6k to spend on e-drums I'd get a couple of 2box kits ;D
Quote from: UC on January 24, 2010, 05:12:28 PM
I think we all know that's a bunch of arse.
Not saying his opinion is worthless or anything but if If I had $4-$6k to spend on e-drums I'd get a couple of 2box kits ;D
The thing i love UC is that he says it "looks" like fragile flimsy crap, once again someone who probably hasn't sat down and played one.
Quote from: UC on January 24, 2010, 05:12:28 PM
I think we all know that's a bunch of arse.
Not saying his opinion is worthless or anything but if If I had $4-$6k to spend on e-drums I'd get a couple of 2box kits ;D
thats the correct answer! 2box :rock: ssssssss!!!!
Maybe he has played the kit. Might try another angle to discredit him. Even if they're stronger than they look they do look weak to a lot of guys. I don't see that changing. It's hard to believe you and 2box didn't see that coming. If you're going to resent people thinking your kit looks lame all I can say is try to get over it. Everybody I know laughs when I show them a picture. Now thats my friends. Yours may really think there the greatest. I haven't had this problem with any other piece of equipment before. You guys better resign yourself to some negative feedback.
Quote from: UC on January 24, 2010, 05:12:28 PM
I think we all know that's a bunch of arse.
Not saying his opinion is worthless or anything but if If I had $4-$6k to spend on e-drums I'd get a couple of 2box kits ;D
It's nice to know we can count on you to be objective.
Quote from: Travis182 on January 24, 2010, 05:29:32 PM
The thing i love UC is that he says it "looks" like fragile flimsy crap, once again someone who probably hasn't sat down and played one.
Is that right UC?
l think it will hold up well if set up properly in normal situations. I don't think it was designed strong enough to withstand the more brutal environment of being a demo at a busy music store. The hats are going to be out of calibration a lot. Many will expect it to work when they play them and even if they were willing to take some time to get set up won't know how and likely get little help. Even though I still think 2box has the edge at the moment over all the others in performance it might not demo as well.
For those who haven't seen that Pearls E-pro module (red box) is the entire same as Alesis dm10, look at the pictures here:
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,257.30.html
I think this actually is a scam. (especially with their misleading commercial)
Quote from: wbrs on January 25, 2010, 02:03:06 AM
Is that right UC?
you're quite right wbrs, i don't know if he's played one, which is why i stated for the record that i'm not saying his opinion is worthless, i was merely refuting his claim that the kit is a flimsy piece of crap. and if money really was no object i would really, honestly, rather have a second 2box kit (and maybe a third!) for the same money some people spend on a td20...it's not just fanboyism, i really don't think roland's machinegun modelling justifies the ridiculous price tag. gotta remember i was in the "ddrum is best" camp, but i feel i've spent enough time testing roland kits on which to base my opinion :)
But you are missing something here,he is not saying that he wants to buy a td20 instead of a 2box
he owns a td20 and is looking for something else.
You say that the pricetag of the td20 isnt justified because of the machinegunning.You might be right there,but he obviously doenst want to switch to a complete set of 2box drums because he thinks that the hardware doesnt justify that pricetag,and in a way I hink he is right as well.we now only talk about the rack being stable or not,yet those who see the set for the first time also have to deal with the hihat and bassdrumpedal.So he needs to get a full set of drums and use not even half of it,since he has some really good hardware already.It makes sence that he would be looking at vst/laptop oprions as well.If you just look at that as a bunch of arse or look at it as a basher post,you miss a potential big market for 2box.The only thing they need to do is get that module out fast,with the sound editor working like a dream,if possible in some decent sturdy steel housing...do that and 2box will win the war.Staying on this path with this hardware is going to be a long long road with lots and lots of headaches.While the asperines are right here..
http://www.drum-tec.de/sets-drumtec-c-79_113.html
Hi Calimero, I actually agree with you on a lot of points. Hard in forums not to come across as only 'black and white'...I can do grey too :)
I saw the bit where he mentioned he's a TD20 owner, so yeah my argument is perhaps a little unfair. My situation was that in the last few years I nearly made the decision to buy a TD20 a few times, after having had my DD4 for 5 or 6 years, but I could never justify the spend to myself (perhaps if drumming was my day job...). I ended up putting meshes on my DD4s and getting BFD2 (and I'm glad I did).
As for the 2box hardware, I'm using my own double kick pedal, hihat stand, and some gibraltar-type clamps from my old rack, for my DDrums. The only reason I don't use the supplied hihat is because of the overcrowding on the 2box rack (which by the way is happily hosting an extra couple of DD4 cymbals and solid aluminium cast precision pads!).
2box themselves have said many times that they fully expect people to use their own hardware for any 'pro type' use - ie gigging etc. But what they have supplied does just fine if you're just starting out. As for the looks, well, to each his own. If / when 2box release the extra cross bar for the rack, I'll be buying one, as sure the rack has a bit of an oscillation, but it hasn't slipped once so far.
I think you're right - getting the module out would not be a bad idea at all.
They'd have to call it the 1box though :)
Quote from: wbrs on January 25, 2010, 01:00:54 AM
Maybe he has played the kit. Might try another angle to discredit him. Even if they're stronger than they look they do look weak to a lot of guys. I don't see that changing. It's hard to believe you and 2box didn't see that coming. If you're going to resent people thinking your kit looks lame all I can say is try to get over it. Everybody I know laughs when I show them a picture. Now thats my friends. Yours may really think there the greatest. I haven't had this problem with any other piece of equipment before. You guys better resign yourself to some negative feedback.
Hi wbrs
What country are you from?
Thanks
Scott
Quote from: UC on January 25, 2010, 10:51:25 AM
2box themselves have said many times that they fully expect people to use their own hardware for any 'pro type' use - ie gigging etc. But what they have supplied does just fine if you're just starting out. As for the looks, well, to each his own. If / when 2box release the extra cross bar for the rack, I'll be buying one, as sure the rack has a bit of an oscillation, but it hasn't slipped once so far.
I think you're right - getting the module out would not be a bad idea at all.
They'd have to call it the 1box though :)
It would be a very good idea,but only if it has the fully working editor ,compatible to apple and pc,and compatible to a fast amount of excisitng hardware.
I could go on for hours on this subject,I understand the idea of the more pro drummers switching to other hardware and that the starters among us go for the full 2box set option.Yet I doubt that this is going to work in reality since there are things that need to be taken in consideration with that.I know 2box is reading along,that's why I post here as food for thoughts.I can be contacted for a full presentation and I'm not that expensive at all.. ;D :animal:
Just email me the Powerpoint slides :D
democratic or republican? ;D
*ROFL* :animal:
You hit me with a flower
Iam in love with the look of the pearl e-pro kit, thinking about it how great it would be to get the pad set
working with a 2box module! and with yamaha rubber e-cymbals!1 ride and 2 crashes and a 2box hihat ,mounted on a DW 5000 hihatstand and a double kick drum from DW 5000.
;D
Quote from: roel on February 03, 2010, 10:42:40 PM
Iam in love with the look of the pearl e-pro kit, thinking about it how great it would be to get the pad set
working with a 2box module! and with yamaha rubber e-cymbals!1 ride and 2 crashes and a 2box hihat ,mounted on a DW 5000 hihatstand and a double kick drum from DW 5000.
;D
http://www.jobekydrums.co.uk/
there, MUCH cheaper and more real than the Pearl Alesis-Pro will ever be.
Quote from: hwasser on February 04, 2010, 09:17:45 AM
http://www.jobekydrums.co.uk/
there, MUCH cheaper and more real than the Pearl Alesis-Pro will ever be.
great found!
you could also try
http://www.diamondelectronicdrums.com/
Quote from: goony on February 04, 2010, 06:36:16 PM
you could also try
http://www.diamondelectronicdrums.com/
wich are better the jobeky or the diamonds both have a great design.
damn man the diamonds blue and red pearl are great!
the guys over at another vdrums forum rave about the diamonds, especially all the different wraps, and apparently they trigger really well...
Quote from: goony on February 04, 2010, 11:04:04 PM
the guys over at another vdrums forum rave about the diamonds, especially all the different wraps, and apparently they trigger really well...
those diamonds looking great, wondering if it is possible to shipping to the Netherlands.
Quote from: roel on February 05, 2010, 06:04:07 AM
those diamonds looking great, wondering if it is possible to shipping to the Netherlands.
"Diamond Electronic Drums was formed at the beginning of 2009 and immediately set about listening to what E drummers wanted. We are the first in the UK & Europe to build an electronic drum straight from the bare birch shell...."I Suppose so. I heard Jobekt shipping as well. The good thing with Jobeky is that they sell full kits (without module), on jobeky site it also says on the drums: "Fully compatible with positional sensing "
I don't like when e-drums look as acoustic drums.
the 2box design (like DDrum, Simmons and old Roland) is without compromise, it assumes its not a real drum,
but a pad's drum, just triggering surfaces with heads made for drummers (okay, yes, I'm an architect...).
I'm with you on that one Alain - (although I can see the attraction in sexy shells - been nearly ten years since I last had my Pearl Export set up and I miss the old girl)
I remember seeing my first DD4 kit "in the flesh" at Rose Morris back in the Year 2000 - was with the solid cast aluminium pads, on a solid rack - my jaw hit the floor and I decided I had to get one. And then I played on it and decided I was going to buy that, much battered, demo one right there, with no thought for coneseqences. Who needs to eat or pay the rent anyway?
? Memories.....like the corners of my mind.... ?
:)
And speaking about real acoustic drums,
I LOVE my Sonor Hilite...the sound is just fantastic.... I will never sell it....
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(http://www.sonormuseum.com/1990/images/hilitekit.jpg)
oh yes those are sexy as hell..
I do undertstand what you are saying,with the looks,but I feel that if your goal is to make an edrum that sounds and feels/play like an acoustic drum,why not make it look like one?
Quote from: Calimero on February 05, 2010, 10:51:02 AM
oh yes those are sexy as hell..
I do undertstand what you are saying,with the looks,but I feel that if your goal is to make an edrum that sounds and feels/play like an acoustic drum,why not make it look like one?
That's not my goal (the feel and play, yes, because that's the instrument I know, but not the sound)...
With an edrum I want to try new sounds, strange sounds that are impossible to do with an acoustic drum
(I'm trying now to do a kit with buildind site sounds...).
its like the "old phone" ring on a 2010's cellphone... it's funny but it's just a joke...
or like false candle on an electric lamp
or an old style house (victorian, classical) built in fact with concrete, metal and new technology...
But it's true that the original samples that are include on the 2box are really good and I love to play them...!
I understand,but in general I think that most edrummers get an ekit to substitute the acoustic set for several reasons.
Most complains about the rolands are on the bad acoustic sounds and play (machinegunning and all),most compliments on the 2box are on the sounds and how realistic the feel (sounds and sizes).
Remains the look and knowing that most of the money is spent on finishes when it comes to an acoustic set I feel that that thats not unimportant at all if you want to sell drums.
do you still klnow the Hilite exclusive with Sparkle laquer and Copper Hardware??? I loved this Set but never have had the money to buy it... :'(
Theo
Quote from: alainV on February 05, 2010, 10:15:23 AM
And speaking about real acoustic drums,
I LOVE my Sonor Hilite...the sound is just fantastic.... I will never sell it....
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
(http://www.sonormuseum.com/1990/images/hilitekit.jpg)
iam sorry but some of the diamond electronic drums look better than your set.
sure your acoustic set is fine.
Quote from: TrommelTheo on February 05, 2010, 05:10:13 PM
do you still klnow the Hilite exclusive with Sparkle laquer and Copper Hardware??? I loved this Set but never have had the money to buy it... :'(
Theo
Yes, it was really beautiful!
Quote from: roel on February 05, 2010, 08:43:13 PM
iam sorry but some of the diamond electronic drums look better than your set.
sure your acoustic set is fine.
Maybe, but that's not the point, for me...
My acoustic set IS an acoustic set.
The cylindres are like they are because there is a searching for a sound and the ideal shape to reach it, not because they look good (ok, there is also a research for a good looking finition).
Quote from: Calimero on February 05, 2010, 04:35:26 PM
I understand,but in general I think that most edrummers get an ekit to substitute the acoustic set for several reasons.
For this I agree with you, speaking about the different reasons to have an edrum, I can understand that.
And I also understand why (for commercial purposes) drum makers sell edrums that look like an acoustic drum...
But I think it is not a good justification. I love what we can do with an edrum. I dont think its a shame to have an edrum, so I want the edrums to have their specific look, with proud!
Quote from: alainV on February 06, 2010, 02:14:24 PM
But I think it is not a good justification. I love what we can do with an edrum. I dont think its a shame to have an edrum, so I want the edrums to have their specific look, with proud!
I agree. ;)
Weight is also an important difference between accoustic and e-drums. Its so good to be able to carry your whole kit in one bag, rather than making numerous trips to a van to lug out a 6 piece accoustic.
I've seen tons of drummers with beautiful kits, for instance Drum Workshop stuff, but they haven't been very good drummers. People stop talking about the kit and start mentioning how bad this guy is.
No matter how nice your kit looks, I'd rather people were talking about my drumming and not what I'm drumming on. BUT, seing as we're talking beauty, years ago I really wanted this:
http://usa.mapexdrums.com/images/news/SW6225YS_300.jpg (http://usa.mapexdrums.com/images/news/SW6225YS_300.jpg)
Its a big picture so I won't paste it in, but man I so wanted that kit. Mapex do scrumptious finishes for a reasonable price. We're all drum whores really aren't we? :animal:
Quote from: Baby Samus on February 06, 2010, 05:05:58 PM
Weight is also an important difference between accoustic and e-drums. Its so good to be able to carry your whole kit in one bag, rather than making numerous trips to a van to lug out a 6 piece accoustic.
I've seen tons of drummers with beautiful kits, for instance Drum Workshop stuff, but they haven't been very good drummers. People stop talking about the kit and start mentioning how bad this guy is.
No matter how nice your kit looks, I'd rather people were talking about my drumming and not what I'm drumming on. BUT, seing as we're talking beauty, years ago I really wanted this:
http://usa.mapexdrums.com/images/news/SW6225YS_300.jpg (http://usa.mapexdrums.com/images/news/SW6225YS_300.jpg)
Its a big picture so I won't paste it in, but man I so wanted that kit. Mapex do scrumptious finishes for a reasonable price. We're all drum whores really aren't we? :animal:
nice kit man
The best Acoustik-Drums are those who have been produced for only one time, like custom drums with keller-Shells in your own sizes and colours ;D
Theo
but i wanna have this dame orange thing :patbat2box:
Keller shells are so mass produced ....
Watching the superbowl, holy crap the dw clear shells are insane, nicest kit I have seen. I know Ludwig has had vistalites but Zak's kit is unreal. The cymbals are colored too ?
Quote from: TrommelTheo on February 07, 2010, 10:49:49 AM
The best Acoustik-Drums are those who have been produced for only one time, like custom drums with keller-Shells in your own sizes and colours ;D
Theo
but i wanna have this dame orange thing :patbat2box:
Maybe, but not everyone can afford custom drums. The Mapex Saturn in that picture was the nicest kit my budget would stretch to - still think its beautiful and the saturn is a good sounding kit for its price.
Still glad I waited for the 2Box instead ;D
Quote from: puttenvr on January 13, 2010, 04:34:27 PM
I don't like the just 2 colors to choose from option either
I want red sparkle
You want red sparkle why don't you contact dave from diamond drums... :rock:
I do have a red sparkle drumkit
This was only to bash Pearls options
Quote from: puttenvr on March 14, 2010, 02:44:01 PM
I do have a red sparkle drumkit
This was only to bash Pearls options
ok.
Quote from: GravityRobert on January 12, 2010, 10:11:00 PM
Thoughts? http://www.pearldrum.com/epro-preview.html
That sounds like a$$.
I love Pearl hardware and racks, but that drum brain is a joke.