The story continues
I downloaded the new samples and tried to assign a sound to the rim of the snarepad only to find that it stopped working.
When i hit the rim it doesnt show the word rim in the display anymore and of course it doesnt make any sound and i cant assign any sound anymore.
Doesnt transmit MIDI either.
Tried to change cables but no luck.
Tom rims still work ok
Seems that the 2box wasnt made to take a beating!
>:(
Dr Wu, is your head tight? When I first got mine I like a nice tight snare and so tightened the head really tight, at this point the rim stopped working, slacking off the head let the Rim work again... I did also take the head off and re-sat the parts, this helped a lot...
Hi
I ask me the question if I'll really buy this kit or not. It really seems to be unreliable enough for 2000€. Thats really expensive for me and I don't want to make a mistake buying this kit.
What's your opinion?
Thanks.
havent touched the tuning pegs of the snarepad but will give it a try.
Maybe the new rims work better than the old ones.
I found when i hit the rim with constant force every like 10 hit or so will trigger a superloud sample but the others remain silent
So you have pressed more and the rim you want the sound on? and the volume of the rim is turned up?.
it never shows the word rim in the display for the snarepad anymore. So i cant adjust any levels or curves.
But when i keep hitting the rim with steady force i will get that occasional superloud trigger like every 10th hit or so.
Very weird and annoying.
Hold more and press the snare button. Does that show the sound levels for the rim?
it does show the rim parameters and i can even set a different sound but it doesnt trigger when i hit the rim.
I think its a broken cable. Not the first time i am afraid.
disasembled the pad and found that the black cable that should probably be connected to the Rimtrigger became unloose.
I guess thats another showcase of poor quality control at the chinese factory.
Gonna take this to my friend who already resoldered the broken cable in one of my cymbal pads.
:(
Quote from: Dr.Wu on December 29, 2009, 05:21:54 PM
disasembled the pad and found that the black cable that should probably be connected to the Rimtrigger became unloose.
I guess thats another showcase of poor quality control at the chinese factory.
Gonna take this to my friend who already resoldered the broken cable in one of my cymbal pads.
:(
I can't believe this, I hear a lot of user problems with the cymbals and with the meshheads.
my ridecymbal suffered from 2 tiny cables that were squeezed in a bad way at the factory when they assembled the pad.
It had to break after a couple of hits the way it was positioned inside the pad.
Fortunately i found someone who could fix it for free and it has been ok ever since.
As long as it's easily solderable, I don't really mind that much (if I will ever get my kit).
Still would be better if that wouldn't be needed of course.
Hi guys,
Remember that 2Box is early in its product life cycle. Any product will get revised over time and the manufacturing process gets refined increasing quality and saving money, to enable a cheaper production and selling cost.
My kit has been perfect in every way, no problems yet and build quality is really good. A small minority of users may have a defect but I reckon this will smooth out over the next 6 months when they refine their manufacturing process.
So if you're worried about buying I would not be - I owned a TD-8KV for a long time, and the build quality on the 2box pads is way better than the Rolands, and the module is encased in aluminium unlike Roland's cheap plastic module case. The rack has been sturdy as hell, I've had 3 drummers come over and try it and they all agreed no problems with the rack (and how much they want one!).
I think as long as you get a kit from a new shipment like I did, build quality should be perfect. There is only one thing on this kit I am not so happy with, that is the hi-hat sensing is a little unpredictable at the moment. Getting a consistent half open sound is really hard and control is not as good as it should be. This seems the biggest issue with the kit at the moment and I really hope this gets fixed in an update (it is NOT a config issue).
Even so I am so happy with it, like night and day compared to my old Roland set - don't worry so much, just buy one you will not regret it!
I guess i better contact the german distributor if they are willing to exchange my 4 month old betakit to a full functional production kit then.
upon further inspection it seems that there is nothing to solder because the cable came off at the piezo side.
the piezo is glued to the case and i cant see any possibility to reattach the cable.
probably a job for the service center that requieres exhanging the complete piezo.
Gonna contact the german distributor for an exchange.
Glad i kept my old Roland snare pad so i can continue using the kit while i wait for an exchange.
Hope you get it sorted soon Dr Wu!
Quote from: Dr.Wu on December 30, 2009, 09:31:20 PM
upon further inspection it seems that there is nothing to solder because the cable came off at the piezo side.
the piezo is glued to the case and i cant see any possibility to reattach the cable.
probably a job for the service center that requieres exhanging the complete piezo.
Gonna contact the german distributor for an exchange.
Glad i kept my old Roland snare pad so i can continue using the kit while i wait for an exchange.
Hi Dr.Wu
Have you accessed the snare pad i.e changed the mesh head at all?
Thanks
Scott
Thanks
Scott
no-sofar the meshheads on my kit didnt need to be changed-the only thing i did was bang on the pad with a pair of drumsticks when
i suddenly noticed that the rimtrigger doesnt work anymore.
I opened the pad and saw the loose cable.
Thats it.
At first i thought i might be able to fix it myself but the piezo is so tiny and i cant see any possible solderingpoint so i guess this needs to be fixed by the german distributor. Maybe i can get an improved exchange pad from the second production run.
I've noticed that the rim trigger on my 2Box snare-pad only pics up some of the hits. When I set the brain in Unit View mode and hit the pads, the brain shows which trigger-type is activated. This is where I can see, that only some of my hits on the snare-rim is registered by the brain. Also of course I'm able to hear that the rim-sound does not play. All the toms and cymbals seem to be working just fine.
Mine only seems to trigger between sort of 7 o'clock to 11 o'clock, and even then it;s tempremental.
I had the same problem as NeilC with the snare rim. I took off the head, verified all the rubber attaches, tested the floating movement, then mount the head again.
It was a bit better.
Then I changed the threshold of the rim to almost the maximum, and increased the gain
Now it's really good. When I hit both the mesh and the rim, the sound resonate well, and its a great pad to play
Hello,
there is also a problem with the rim on my snare. The sensitivity depends pretty much on the position. If i hit the rim at position 10 or 11 "o'clock" it triggers very nice. But if I hit it at another position the sensitivity is very bad. Can't get 100% at the meter on the trigger page. The other side of the sensor (at 1 or 2 o'clock) is bad too.
Any hints how this can be fixed?
Greets, Manfred
Same as me really, Manfred. If you remove the head you will see why this is happening. The trigger for the rim sounds is only connected to the floating rim at 12 o'clock, so to speak, and only on one side so it will be more sensitive to movement around the 9 - 11 o'clock regions.
This may be why you have trouble, mine wasn't seated properly when I received my kit and reseating it made a hugfe difference. Be careful not to overtighten the head as this will 'choke' the triggering of the rim... I don't know if this will be improved upon, the only thing I can say is the tom rims work flawlessly.
Sorry Ic an't be of more help...
Yeah, that's a bit strange: the tom rims seem to be far more sensitive than the snare
Hi,
before I start to take apart the snare I want to know what the german distributor thinks about the problems. Yesterday I wrote an email to them. Don't forget that the drum set costs about 2000 Euro. In my opinion they should deliver a good working snare pad. And if not, I hope they care about the problems.
Greets, Manfred
Quote from: puttenvr on January 13, 2010, 06:27:24 PM
Yeah, that's a bit strange: the tom rims seem to be far more sensitive than the snare
Maybe its because the toms are that bit smaller...
Hi,
being a new owner I have noticed this problem with the snare rim.
Mine trigger well close to the trigger where the 2 box logo is, but that's not the better spot for me.
I setted a china cymbal to my snare rim at that was very obvious!
Is there some user with a good snare rim all around the pad?
Thanks
You should assing a click sound to the snare rim
(since the rim does trigger good with a china cymbal, it's not a triggering problem but the weak acoustic rim sound)
i think Perico means that using a China cymbal makes the uneven rim triggering very obvious...
Yes you'r right fishmonkey!
Do you have the same problem?
Quote from: Perico on April 14, 2010, 11:34:46 AM
Yes you'r right fishmonkey!
Do you have the same problem?
Me too. It would be nice to have seperate settings to rim and center, so that the rim can be set up for higher gain :)
actually, yes, the rim triggering on my snare is a bit uneven, definitely louder near the trigger, which is to be expected i guess.
it hasn't really bothered me, but i do notice with testing that even turning the gain up it's difficult to get a full trigger output from the lower half of the rim, which is where i mostly play. i don't really play cross stick on the snare since it's hard to do it without triggering the snare itself.
Quote from: hwasser on April 14, 2010, 11:39:14 AM
Me too. It would be nice to have seperate settings to rim and center, so that the rim can be set up for higher gain :)
what do you mean? the rim does have separate trigger settings.
Quote from: fishmonkey on April 14, 2010, 11:44:43 AM
what do you mean? the rim does have separate trigger settings.
Oh! :p
I didn't know that. Will check that when I come home!
(I'm still new to 2box, haven't explored the module properly yet. It's really easy to understand the module though, thought it was going to be hard to set it up but I could play it right out of the box, and just fix small adjustments!)
just hold the more button when you press snare for example in one of the unit pages and it will show the settings for the rim.