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2Box Drumit 5 Forum => Sharing drum sounds - wav / aiff / rex => Topic started by: Baby Samus on December 29, 2010, 04:12:50 AM

Title: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on December 29, 2010, 04:12:50 AM
Hi all,

I'm just getting into creating kits so I thought I'd share a few sounds with you guys to see what you think.  These are just some of the Big Mono kit samples, which I ripped out and changed into 2Box sounds. Take note that no post processing or effects was done on the samples - they were just put straight into .dsnd files. Also they are only made of 16 samples per zone I think, take this into account when using them but I find the sound and response quite pleasing.

As I say this is my first go at creating a basic kit for a specific sound, so be gentle!  I find the legacy 21" ride on the 2Box complements this kit well so I just use that and a swiss crash.

22 x 16 Ludwig 60's Kick:
http://www.4shared.com/file/_chHAO8_/Ludgwig_Kick.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/_chHAO8_/Ludgwig_Kick.html)
14" x 5" '50s Rodgers Dynasonic Snare: http://www.4shared.com/file/4Y2Jou98/Rodgerss_Dynasonic.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/4Y2Jou98/Rodgerss_Dynasonic.html)
13" '60s Ludwig Mounted Tom: http://www.4shared.com/file/VSdUq7FT/Ludwig_13_Tom.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/VSdUq7FT/Ludwig_13_Tom.html)
16" '60s Ludwig Floor Tom: http://www.4shared.com/file/T-U-3bex/Ludwig_16_Tom.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/T-U-3bex/Ludwig_16_Tom.html)
Zildjian Avedis 13" Mastersound Hihats: http://www.4shared.com/file/idIJmtDS/ZMasterHH.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/idIJmtDS/ZMasterHH.html)

PS there is a typo in the snare sound, it says Rogers's instead of Roger's - I noticed it but I can't be bothered uploading again!  Enjoy!  I will try to add more as I refine the process...

EDIT:  I have now made versions of the toms and snare with double the amount of samples per zone (and of course double the file size!) - not sure if they sound much better or play better, but I'll let you decide - here are the new links to the 'HD' versions  ;)

13" '60s Ludwig Mounted Tom:  http://www.4shared.com/file/xfBQMM-I/60s_Ludwig_13_Tom.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/xfBQMM-I/60s_Ludwig_13_Tom.html)
16" '60s Ludwig Floor Tom: http://www.4shared.com/file/OYGHtBmU/60s_Ludwig_16_Tom.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/OYGHtBmU/60s_Ludwig_16_Tom.html)
14" x 5" '50s Rodgers Dynasonic Snare: http://www.4shared.com/file/qfxzIw6H/Rogers_Dynasonic.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/qfxzIw6H/Rogers_Dynasonic.html)
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: puttenvr on December 29, 2010, 07:10:37 AM
These sounds are great
I tried to convert them myself, but on my dsnd files there's some noise at the end
Perhaps your sounds are better
I will give them a try
Thx
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: signature on December 29, 2010, 07:56:57 AM
Thank you Baby Samus, I have downloaded these. I will try to upload on to my "Brain". This will be the first time I try this so I will need to read the manual first. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on December 29, 2010, 08:34:44 AM
Quote from: puttenvr on December 29, 2010, 07:10:37 AM
These sounds are great
I tried to convert them myself, but on my dsnd files there's some noise at the end
Perhaps your sounds are better
I will give them a try
Thx

The only noise I notice in the samples is the the room ambience/accoustics after a hit, but these aren't meant to be dry samples - the room accoustics/tape transfer is what makes these sounds come alive for me.  Aside from that I'm not sure what you mean?  After putting these together I've played the kit quite a bit and didn't notice anything sounding strange or odd, but I guess this might also depend on your curve/trigger settings.  To me it seemed to play naturally and trigger okay.  The snare could use a little more work and some more samples (I have more to put in now so I will update this) but other than that it's fun to play which is the acid test for me.

Anyway if you like this kind of thing and want more, bump me some Karma and I will try my best!   :patbat2box:
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: puttenvr on December 29, 2010, 09:07:49 AM
done
+5
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: signature on December 29, 2010, 09:15:51 AM
i think puttenvr was suggesting that the dsnd files HE created had unwanted noise.

Anyway I loaded your files in to the brain, and they worked perfectly. It is so easy to load in too! I have only had the kit 2 weeks and it is great fun!

Thanks for these files.

Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on December 29, 2010, 10:03:23 AM
Quote from: signature on December 29, 2010, 09:15:51 AM
i think puttenvr was suggesting that the dsnd files HE created had unwanted noise.

Yeah I know, I just thought that if we both recorded the same samples then we would get the same problems, and maybe he had picked up on a problem I had missed.  Anyway glad you like the sounds!
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: puttenvr on December 29, 2010, 10:08:16 AM
Did you use the 2Box tool, or the DSoundTool 1.0  ?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on December 29, 2010, 03:54:39 PM
EDIT:  Added new links in original post to alternative versions of the toms and snare which have twice the amount of samples per zone.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: nonoduweb on December 29, 2010, 06:03:45 PM
Thanks for the sounds and the job.

Karma +7
At 10 you will levitate... ;)
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: puttenvr on December 29, 2010, 06:09:23 PM
Uhh? But what did you do the first time? Reading this ...

Quote from: Baby Samus on December 29, 2010, 03:54:39 PM
they were just put straight into .dsnd files


And why is the 13 inch tomtom now larger than the 16 inch floor tom?
Or does the link from the 16 inch floortom redirect to the old file?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on December 29, 2010, 06:58:45 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on December 29, 2010, 06:09:23 PM
Uhh? But what did you do the first time? Reading this ...


And why is the 13 inch tomtom now larger than the 16 inch floor tom?
Or does the link from the 16 inch floortom redirect to the old file?

Well spotted Putt - I f*cked it lol. Link now fixed to more recent file.   :-[  Checked all the links again and they seem okay now...
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: signature on December 30, 2010, 03:26:27 AM
 :)even better Baby Samus!
Quote from: Baby Samus on December 29, 2010, 03:54:39 PM
EDIT:  Added new links in original post to alternative versions of the toms and snare which have twice the amount of samples per zone.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Mopsi on January 23, 2011, 11:25:58 AM
There is a very interesting point:
If you listen to the dsnd files in a wav editor like Wavosaur, they sound very clean in their endings.
If you put the sounds to the 2box module, they all have noise in their endings. Even the 2box Stock sounds have these noise. Where does this come from?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: edtc on January 23, 2011, 03:27:11 PM
... yes , i had the same thought yesterday ... like a distorted resonnance ...  could it be an issue with the "looseless" compression ?  it sounds like a bad dithering ...

Mopsi ... lets start a thread on this...
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Slap the drummer on January 23, 2011, 04:25:22 PM
Yes, I've never bothered to test properly but my impression has always been that samples sound
a bit rougher/noiser once played back from the module.

Also - going back to something earlier in the thread -

Baby (can I call you Baby?  :) )

When you said you did a second set with twice as many samples, what did you mean exactly?
Where did these extra samples come from?  Just curious.
Thanks
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on February 05, 2011, 06:39:12 PM
I mean that the original .dsnd file was made with 16 samples per zone.  The newer files have 32 samples per zone so the .dsnd should be more dynamic and responsive.  I originally just used 16 samples as a test to see how it would sound and play and they turned out well - I then made the newer sounds with 32 samples - this way you can try both and see which you prefer.  Thats the aim anyway  :)

I guess more samples doesn't always mean it will trigger/sound better so more testing needs done, I just don't have enough high quality samples at my disposal!
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: puttenvr on February 05, 2011, 08:05:43 PM
I downloaded the Big Mono Kit (free version) and my version only has 16 samples
How can yours have 32 ?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on February 05, 2011, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on February 05, 2011, 08:05:43 PM
I downloaded the Big Mono Kit (free version) and my version only has 16 samples
How can yours have 32 ?

Because there are 16 left hand hit samples and 16 right hand hit samples for each drum.  I combined the samples to make 32.  The left hand and right hand hits are slightly different although similar in volume.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: puttenvr on February 06, 2011, 09:43:29 AM
Yep, but are they assigned to 2 stereo channels?
Or does the 2Box know when I use my left or right hand ?   ;D

Serious: they sound fantastic (thanx again) but what is the use of 32 samples ?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Slap the drummer on February 06, 2011, 11:23:44 AM
Quote from: puttenvr on February 06, 2011, 09:43:29 AM
but what is the use of 32 samples ?

I always use L hand and R hand hits combined when they are available.
In theory this should help the file to sound that bit more natural - not really because of
one being L and one being R, but because (as Mr Samus says) there will be small
differences of dynamics etc - so if you use the random triggering setting it shd help create
the illusion of real drumming, with less machine gunning.

If they had sampled my L and R hands it probably wouldn't work because they are very
different!  I guess they use better drummers  :)
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on February 06, 2011, 02:12:03 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on February 06, 2011, 09:43:29 AM
Yep, but are they assigned to 2 stereo channels?
Or does the 2Box know when I use my left or right hand ?   ;D

Serious: they sound fantastic (thanx again) but what is the use of 32 samples ?

Thanks Putt, but I don't understand what you mean - the Big Mono pack snare for instance has 16 seperate samples for the left hand hitting the drum - it also has 16 samples for hitting the drum with the right hand.  The samples have not been combined.

Thats 32 samples.  As the right hand and left hand samples are slightly different and if randomizing is on, 32 samples should in theory sound and trigger better than 16 samples as there are more layers of sensitivity.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: puttenvr on February 06, 2011, 04:14:35 PM
I do understand that 32 dynamic layers trigger better than 16 but I don't understand how a single dsnd file can manage the difference between left and right. Or does it have only 16 layers with right and left assignment? I just don't get it. Sorry
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on February 06, 2011, 04:59:49 PM
Lol hey man its cool I don't even understand myself sometimes!  

You are correct, the 2Box will not recognise whether a sample is played by your left and right hands, but this isn't what I was meaning.  What I mean is that because the left hand and right hand samples sets provided in the Big Mono pack (16 x RH + 16 x LH for each zone) sound different, I used both sets to make one .dsnd. So the .dsnd file has 32 samples in it instead of 16.  Even thought the volume of the RH and LH hits will be roughly the same, the samples differ slightly, which means you have more layers to randomize through, making it more detailed and responsive (in theory).

So the fact that they are denoted as RH and LH in the sample pack doesn't really apply here - they are seperate samples so it makes sense to use them for more layers rather than just using 16 RH samples in one .dsnd or 16 LH samples in one .dsnd.  I also tried combining LH and RH samples initially in Adobe Audition, but the sounds cancelled each other out a bit - I found more layers sounded better rather than combining samples but thats just me...

Hope that helps... :)
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: puttenvr on February 06, 2011, 07:52:29 PM
Yes. Thanks
How about a beer?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: UC on February 07, 2011, 12:40:37 AM
And there you have it. Unofficial 2box Forum's first wedding :p
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: rythm on February 07, 2011, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: UC on February 07, 2011, 12:40:37 AM
And there you have it. Unofficial 2box Forum's first wedding :p

LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on February 07, 2011, 10:03:33 PM
Some people on here think I'm a girl?  Really?  Lol I do like beer though, then again who doesn't?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Slap the drummer on February 10, 2011, 04:25:14 PM
Quote from: Baby Samus on February 05, 2011, 06:39:12 PM
I mean that the original .dsnd file was made with 16 samples per zone.  The newer files have 32 samples per zone so the .dsnd should be more dynamic and responsive.  I originally just used 16 samples as a test to see how it would sound and play and they turned out well - I then made the newer sounds with 32 samples - this way you can try both and see which you prefer.

Ok, thanks man!
I still think it wd be interesting to know roughly what the best number of samples is.
Did you notice/feel any difference between the 16 set and the 32?

As an extra thought -
The range of samples from 2box tends to be something like -30db to 0db.
Assume the Big Mono is roughly the same, so that's say 0.5db to 1db difference between the different layers.
With random sampling on, if the 2box is picking from (say) the 2 sample layers above and the 2 layers below,
then there might be as much as a 2db variation.

Surely that 2db variation would stick out like a sore thumb, no?

Perhaps somebody who actually knows what they are talking about could give some accurate figures, including what
kind of range of velocity variation will avoid machine gunning but at the same time not sound inconsistent.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on February 10, 2011, 06:31:58 PM
Quote from: Slap the drummer on February 10, 2011, 04:25:14 PM
Ok, thanks man!
I still think it wd be interesting to know roughly what the best number of samples is.
Did you notice/feel any difference between the 16 set and the 32?

Surely that 2db variation would stick out like a sore thumb, no?

Perhaps somebody who actually knows what they are talking about could give some accurate figures, including what
kind of range of velocity variation will avoid machine gunning but at the same time not sound inconsistent.

Well that sounds like a good idea in practice but there is no 'best number' of samples.  That is entirely up to what an individual prefers and will be different in every case - one of us will prefer 16 layers, and others will prefer 32.  Some sounds may work better in a given context with less layers than more.  What matters the most to me are things like:

'does it sound good?'
'are the dynamics good enough that it sounds natural to my ear when I play?'
'does my ear notice the difference between 16 and 32 layers, or do I prefer more or less layers and how does that feel dynamically?'
'Do I enjoy playing this sound/kit?'

Everyone has a different perception of how something sounds and what they enjoy, so the only expert can be you.  For instance someone could measure lag or volume change electronically on that Big Mono patch or the 2Box itself, and they may well tell me that those figures mean there is a problem of lag or volume change.  But if I cannot hear or feel the 'problem/s' the other person has measured, then it is of no consequence to me.  I will still think it sounds good to my ear.  If it does not sound good to someone else they can go and change it/fix it!  It may be that the 'problem' the measurement is indicating is something my ear likes and his simply does not.

We shouldn't worry so much about measurements, trust your own instincts in whether something sounds good or not - you don't tell other people what bands or songs to like so why should someone tell you your sound is broken when to you it sounds really good?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: UC on February 15, 2011, 11:49:21 PM
Quote from: Baby Samus on February 07, 2011, 10:03:33 PM
Some people on here think I'm a girl?

Nothing of the sort, I wouldn't like to pre-suppose anything in this day and age!

It was Putt's rather public display of affection to which I referred  ;D

Anyway, don't mind me, do carry on ::)
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Marinus on April 10, 2011, 06:54:18 PM
Hey!

Great work. Only the bassdrum-file doesnt seem to work (the dl-link). Can you upload that one again?

I will have my 2box-kit probably next friday!!!! I'm already starting to download all the available extra's. I love the sound of the big mono kit.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Cuban on April 11, 2011, 10:31:35 AM
I am just starting to dip my toes into this area (see here) but having only tried the Zildjian Avedis 13" Mastersound Hihats, while they sound great, a few things I wondered were.

1) There is a lot of background / ambient noise on the sample. Was that simply how it was recorded, i.e. the mic was more an ambient mic rather than in close?

2) The closed hi-hat sound it not a tight sound, quite a loose. I assume intentional - is everyone getting that?

3) The sensitivity on sound on fast hi-hat rhythms doesn't seem to pick each note up. I've tried playing with Gain and Threshold, but it's not really doing it. Is this again down to how it was recorded?

Thanks for the thread and conversions Baby Samus, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Marinus on April 11, 2011, 02:32:46 PM
Hey!

Im sorry, seems that the complete Mono kit was already uploaded in another thread.
I found it here: http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,509.0.html

Thanks anyway!
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: westerlu77 on April 12, 2011, 12:30:56 PM
Is the Ludwig kickdrum not available anymore for download?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on April 12, 2011, 02:49:28 PM
Quote from: westerlu77 on April 12, 2011, 12:30:56 PM
Is the Ludwig kickdrum not available anymore for download?

Yes the kickdrum is still available man, I just tested it.
If you have trouble with any of the links on that page let me know and I will fix.

Quote from: Marinus on April 11, 2011, 02:32:46 PM
Im sorry, seems that the complete Mono kit was already uploaded in another thread.
I found it here: http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,509.0.html
Thanks anyway!

I doubt this is the complete kit, its only 44 mb in size - use the links at the start of this thread you'll see the size difference.

Quote from: Cuban on April 11, 2011, 10:31:35 AM
1) There is a lot of background / ambient noise on the sample. Was that simply how it was recorded, i.e. the mic was more an ambient mic rather than in close?
2) The closed hi-hat sound it not a tight sound, quite a loose. I assume intentional - is everyone getting that?
3) The sensitivity on sound on fast hi-hat rhythms doesn't seem to pick each note up. I've tried playing with Gain and Threshold, but it's not really doing it. Is this again down to how it was recorded?

Thanks for the thread and conversions Baby Samus, much appreciated.

Hi Cuban, in answer to your questions:

1) The ambient noise is because the kit was recorded to tape and run through an old desk in a studio before being sampled, which I think is meant to be the appeal, that kind of dirty warm sound you get in some records.  They aren't meant to sound 'hi-fi' I don't think.  
2) I'm not getting that sorry.  I'll listen again and see if it can be improved - anyone else feel this?
3) Could be the velocity curve you're using, or the hi-hat mix level.  I find the 13" hats to be quieter than the 2Box one's, but I don't find any problems with sensitivity.  Perhaps if others do I will look into it and see if I can improve them.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: westerlu77 on April 12, 2011, 03:39:59 PM
It worked now, thanks! I think that the hihat is still the achilles heel. It's not natural..
Is it not possible to edit this sounds with eq in beta 1.20?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: puttenvr on April 12, 2011, 04:52:38 PM
The sounds are great
Clean when listened to, on my pc
And with some noise (hiss) when played in the 2Box

Any explanation for this?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on April 12, 2011, 08:04:44 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on April 12, 2011, 04:52:38 PM
The sounds are great
Clean when listened to, on my pc
And with some noise (hiss) when played in the 2Box

Any explanation for this?

Not sure what you mean, I have listened using same headphones on PC and 2Box and can't see that much difference?  I will check again...
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Marinus on April 12, 2011, 09:39:33 PM
I keep getting this error when trying to download the kick: The file link that you requested is not valid.
The rest works, only the kick isnt working. And you're right, the file in the other thread is way to small.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Slap the drummer on April 13, 2011, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: puttenvr on April 12, 2011, 04:52:38 PM
The sounds are great
Clean when listened to, on my pc
And with some noise (hiss) when played in the 2Box

Any explanation for this?

I find this applies to all samples - the module always introduces some hash and alters
the nature of the sound to some degree.  (For me I find the only way to really assess
how a file sounds is to play it on the kit).

I've always assumed this is because the module is running the sounds through a fair
amount of processing/conversion type stuff [technical terms].  EG, when you change
pitch the sample rate is altered (as I understand it).  Even if you don't change the
pitch, the sample still has to be channelled thru the software or whatever.

Perhaps a bit like tone controls on an amp.  You may leave the settings flat but the
signal must still pass through the circuits.

But then, as you can tell, I'm not very technical  :)
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Marinus on April 14, 2011, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: Baby Samus on April 12, 2011, 02:49:28 PM

I doubt this is the complete kit, its only 44 mb in size - use the links at the start of this thread you'll see the size difference.


The kick still isnt available on your link. But the file I mentioned earlier is about the same size, only zipped. When unzipped they are about he same size. They sound beautiful, only a fragment higher than your samples (the toms). Did you tune them down?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on April 15, 2011, 01:57:46 AM
Quote from: Marinus on April 14, 2011, 06:46:20 PM
The kick still isnt available on your link. But the file I mentioned earlier is about the same size, only zipped. When unzipped they are about he same size. They sound beautiful, only a fragment higher than your samples (the toms). Did you tune them down?

Hi Marinus,

I have updated the link for the kick, please try this:  http://www.4shared.com/file/fX5tDJfV/Ludwig_Kick.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/fX5tDJfV/Ludwig_Kick.html)

The samples I used were not altered or tuned in any way - they are straight out of the Big Mono pack with no changes.  The full Big Mono kit when archived is 140MB, uncompressed its about 220mb.

PS - have some Karma!
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Marinus on April 15, 2011, 06:54:46 AM
Thanks Baby Samus,

The link works. And thanks for the Karma! I've send some back at ya!

This evening I will get my own 2Box kit from the musicstore!!! Finally!!
After I have installed my kit, I will do a proper introduction in the "say hello"-thread.

So excited....
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: snydley on May 02, 2011, 05:34:53 AM
Quote from: Baby Samus on December 29, 2010, 04:12:50 AM
Hi all,

I'm just getting into creating kits so I thought I'd share a few sounds with you guys to see what you think.  These are just some of the Big Mono kit samples, which I ripped out and changed into 2Box sounds. Take note that no post processing or effects was done on the samples - they were just put straight into .dsnd files. Also they are only made of 16 samples per zone I think, take this into account when using them but I find the sound and response quite pleasing.

As I say this is my first go at creating a basic kit for a specific sound, so be gentle!  I find the legacy 21" ride on the 2Box complements this kit well so I just use that and a swiss crash.

22 x 16 Ludwig 60's Kick:
http://www.4shared.com/file/_chHAO8_/Ludgwig_Kick.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/_chHAO8_/Ludgwig_Kick.html)
14" x 5" '50s Rodgers Dynasonic Snare: http://www.4shared.com/file/4Y2Jou98/Rodgerss_Dynasonic.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/4Y2Jou98/Rodgerss_Dynasonic.html)
13" '60s Ludwig Mounted Tom: http://www.4shared.com/file/VSdUq7FT/Ludwig_13_Tom.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/VSdUq7FT/Ludwig_13_Tom.html)
16" '60s Ludwig Floor Tom: http://www.4shared.com/file/T-U-3bex/Ludwig_16_Tom.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/T-U-3bex/Ludwig_16_Tom.html)
Zildjian Avedis 13" Mastersound Hihats: http://www.4shared.com/file/idIJmtDS/ZMasterHH.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/idIJmtDS/ZMasterHH.html)


I tried the Rogers snare,(not sure which one, the HD one I think), today and it wasn't near as loud as the "stock" snares, or the extras I downloaded from the 2Box site. I just downloaded the file, copied it to my flash card and inserted it back in the external card socket,(I updated my brain last week, added a extension SDHC cable and 32G card). Do I need to process it in the 2box sound editor, or load it into Audacity or Sound Forge and amplify the waveform before using it to get the volume I need from it? I was really psyched to try it today but when I played it it was way too quiet to use.
Snyde
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on May 02, 2011, 08:47:21 AM
Yeah I didn't alter the volume of the samples so if you find them too quiet you would need to edit them in one of those programs.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: snydley on May 02, 2011, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: Baby Samus on May 02, 2011, 08:47:21 AM
Yeah I didn't alter the volume of the samples so if you find them too quiet you would need to edit them in one of those programs.

Ok, no problem. This was the first addition to my sounds,( outside of the extras from 2Box), and I wasn't sure if maybe I did something wrong, or left a step out. It sounded loud enough when I previewed it in Audacity on my laptop with headphones, before I copied it to my SDHC card, so I thought it was loud enough. I'll just adjust the volume and then copy it back over. Are there any guidelines as to how loud to increase it, or is it just "trial and error" until it sounds right?
Thanks,
Snyde
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on May 02, 2011, 07:10:44 PM
Make sure the snare levels are set high enough in the 2Box mix page, and make sure the snare sound is set high enough.  You can also try increasing the gain a little.  Do this before editing the .dsnd as it may just be a level issue.  Aside from that, edit them as you see fit!
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: snydley on May 02, 2011, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: Baby Samus on May 02, 2011, 07:10:44 PM
Make sure the snare levels are set high enough in the 2Box mix page, and make sure the snare sound is set high enough.  You can also try increasing the gain a little.  Do this before editing the .dsnd as it may just be a level issue.  Aside from that, edit them as you see fit!

It turns out that it wasn't a problem with the volume of the file at all. I noticed that not only didn't the Roger's snare not work, but I had several "stock" snares that weren't working too. They would register on the brain when I hit the pad, but no sound came out. I decided to put my original 4G card back in the slot to see if maybe those files got screwed up when I copied them over to the 32G card, and lo and behold those same drums wouldn't work from the original card either. I then went into the KIT > VOL section and started playing around with the volume, that made no difference. Then I adjusted the balance and as soon as I moved the position left or right I started hearing the sound. It just wouldn't work in the center. I decided to try the headphones, NOW everything worked. What the problem turned out to be was that I had my amplifer connected to the headphone out on the brain, but I have a MONO amplifier system. I moved the output from headphones to OUT 1 and now everything works! 
One thing though, I did try using Sound Forge in XP and Audacity in Ubuntu 11.04 and I was able to increase the volume of the waveform, but when I tried to save it there is no dsnd file extension choice in either program so I tried the "unknown" option in Audacity and typed the filename Rogers.dsnd when asked. It saved the file, it showed up in the brain, but there is no sound output to it. When we adjust a sound like this what do we use when given a choice for sound file type do you know? Do we save them as WAV files and then rename them dsnd?
Thanks,
Snyde
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: paulhindmarsh on May 07, 2011, 08:52:08 PM
Thanks so much:-)

This kit sounds great and I can't wait to do some recording with it :patbat2box:

Feeling all inspired!

Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Pascaldc on January 27, 2012, 11:00:49 PM
Hello can someone please re upload that kit.

thanks
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on January 28, 2012, 04:52:45 PM
Hi Pascal, I have re-activated the account so you should be able to download the files again, I will re-upload them and post new links soon....
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on January 28, 2012, 05:14:25 PM
New links again to various kit parts, sorry for those trying to download before as the file sharing account gets deactivated if I don't log in every month!:

http://www.4shared.com/file/fJ1uzyi2/60s_Ludwig_13_Tom.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/fJ1uzyi2/60s_Ludwig_13_Tom.html)
http://www.4shared.com/file/7fCHTHll/60s_Ludwig_16_Tom.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/7fCHTHll/60s_Ludwig_16_Tom.html)
http://www.4shared.com/file/hj0dkiuY/Ludwig_Kick.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/hj0dkiuY/Ludwig_Kick.html)
http://www.4shared.com/file/kIEMdZSG/Rogers_Dynasonic.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/kIEMdZSG/Rogers_Dynasonic.html)

If you want the hats and cymbals I can do them at a later date, but the kit mixes well with various cymbals.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: roel on January 30, 2012, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: Baby Samus on January 28, 2012, 05:14:25 PM
New links again to various kit parts, sorry for those trying to download before as the file sharing account gets deactivated if I don't log in every month!:

http://www.4shared.com/file/fJ1uzyi2/60s_Ludwig_13_Tom.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/fJ1uzyi2/60s_Ludwig_13_Tom.html)
http://www.4shared.com/file/7fCHTHll/60s_Ludwig_16_Tom.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/7fCHTHll/60s_Ludwig_16_Tom.html)
http://www.4shared.com/file/hj0dkiuY/Ludwig_Kick.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/hj0dkiuY/Ludwig_Kick.html)
http://www.4shared.com/file/kIEMdZSG/Rogers_Dynasonic.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/kIEMdZSG/Rogers_Dynasonic.html)

If you want the hats and cymbals I can do them at a later date, but the kit mixes well with various cymbals.  Enjoy.

Yes Iam interested in the hats and cymbals, these samples sounds great but they have a little hssh in the end.
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Pascaldc on January 31, 2012, 05:00:09 PM
Thanks you very much Samus
i think the hsssh have to do with the tape recording
Analogue drums sounds great, i may get some other kits...
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: puttenvr on January 31, 2012, 05:08:32 PM
The strange thing is that the hiss hardly can't be heard when listening to the samples on your pc, but is present when played in the 2box module. See the discussion on the 1st page
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: roel on January 31, 2012, 06:30:27 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on January 31, 2012, 05:08:32 PM
The strange thing is that the hiss hardly can't be heard when listening to the samples on your pc, but is present when played in the 2box module. See the discussion on the 1st page

That's correct, Is there a way to take away that hiss sound?
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Baby Samus on February 01, 2012, 09:55:41 PM
Strange thing is that the samples were never manipulated, I just gathered them together and made the .dsnd files - the samples were never passed through another device to the PC so they should be clean - perhaps I could just post the original sample pack and you guys can make your own if you like and we can compare results?

EDIT:  Full sample pack uploading now, should have link soon.

Quote from: puttenvr on January 31, 2012, 05:08:32 PM
The strange thing is that the hiss hardly can't be heard when listening to the samples on your pc, but is present when played in the 2box module. See the discussion on the 1st page

This has been mentioned by other users, but also in this same thread we have members saying this happens with all the samples played through the module - I think someone would need to clarify this more if we are to decide whether the hiss you guys are experiencing is from the actual original samples, or is being introduced by the module.  Conversely there are some members who have downloaded the .dsnd files and seem to be satisfied with them.  I'm not that into the technical aspect of how the module processes these samples and whether any interference is being introduced at some stage in the triggering process, hopefully others can shed more light.

EDIT:  Big Mono sample pack full:

http://www.4shared.com/zip/Qm13VSz7/bigmono.html (http://www.4shared.com/zip/Qm13VSz7/bigmono.html)
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Pascaldc on February 23, 2012, 10:11:49 PM
i'm having trouble to do dnsd of the cymbals with the editor ... its doesnt put them in the right order...
Title: Re: Big Mono kit - Test .dsnd files for sharing with all you lovely forum types...
Post by: Perico on March 10, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
Hi Baby Samus!
Firstly I would like to thank you for sharing your dsnd files! They sounds great! Like other users I've noticed this hiss issue at the end of sounds, but in some 2box original dsnd files I can ear a hiss too even if it's quieter.
It's a nice suggestion to ask other members to do their own tries and look how it sounds.
By the way is there some user's feedbacks?
Otherwise could you share the hats and cymbals you've created? For now I don't know all the process to create those dsnd files with your originals samples.
Thanks!