splitting the toms help

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ok my arms clamps sssnake cables all came and i split my toms. here is how it looks



i changed the sonds on the rims. easy but i hate that i have to do it for all kits.
but there is a problem and i need advice.
if i use crash sound fils, for the rims (for my new cymbals i mean) then only the bell sound is triggered for these cymbals, and i cant use em. i need crash sounds not bell sounds. is there any trick i can have the edge sound of crashes assigned to my cymbals? otherwise it means i can only use splash sounds or china sounds cause they only have one zone. and i dontr really like splash and chinas that come with 2box. the crashes on the other hand are excellent...any idea? sonmeone that splitted his toms, what sounds did you use guys? thanx

[edtc]

Of course B.A. it s possible ... since 1.20 you can chose witch zone you want to trigger...

RTFM mate !!! 

8
Kit-Envelope
SOUND selects between different types of sound within a drum file.
After selecting a new file (KIT-DRUM-FILE) all sound types are active
with a default zone mapping. Selecting another combination will
divide the sound types evenly over all zones. It allows for example
to assign any of the bell, ride or crash sounds of a cymbal to the rim
of a pad.

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awesome cheers mate!!!!!!! i wil lsee to it right now

[edtc]

you're allways wellcome my friend ....

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and i am always glad to give you karma , and everyday bless god that came in my dreams and told me
buy 2box man, they also have a great forum!!!!

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cheers mate

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splitting the toms was amazing. i was also thinking to add another tom (i was thinking to buy a roland pd-125) but my drum teacher talked me out of it. it could ruin my breaks etc, if i learn things in a 3 toms and then go to live and they have 2 toms(usual thing). so unless at some point i get another snare to have it as a picolo(no need for now), i will just use the extra input i have to put another cymbal

now another thing about splitted toms and i need your help

then i splitted my 3 2box toms, i added 2 cy-8 and one cy-5. the cy-5 had a cable cut, i soldered it and it is fine now. what i noticed from the beginning is that all 3 extra cymbals that were splitted from toms , had low volume. i mean they were way too silent. i thought it had to do with the piezos, they could be starting to get fecked up from many years of use (they belonged to my drum teacher). so in order my 2 box cymbals and the added cymbals to have the same level of volume, i had to turn the gain in cy-8 cymbals to 20!!! and to cy-5 at 15....
and still i could use gain at 25 if it could go up to that...

but few minutes ago it struck me. what if it is not the piezos fault? so i plugged in the place of the cy-8, my 2 box cymbal. it was loud as hell,it is logical cause the gain was at 20. then i did the opposite thing. in the plug of my 2box crash, i plugged the cy-8. which had a gain of 3. and it was as loud as my other 2box crash.
so i am thinking. can the piezos be fine, but somehow the splitted tom output that goes to my cymbals, isnt as loud as it should?
is it the cables fault? or is it the way it is? could i somehow in the mix ,volume up the rims so that the cymbals have more volume? from what i know it cant be done... any ideas?
the cables i use are the sssnake cable from thommann.de
i wonder, those if you that splitted thetoms, do you have volume issues as me?

ps. today i started really messing up with gain threshold in everyuthing. recalibrated all my kit and now when i record things with it, it is so neat. fuckin 2box is the best drum company in the world!!! so glad i got it...

[roel]

splitting the toms was amazing. i was also thinking to add another tom (i was thinking to buy a roland pd-125) but my drum teacher talked me out of it. it could ruin my breaks etc, if i learn things in a 3 toms and then go to live and they have 2 toms(usual thing). so unless at some point i get another snare to have it as a picolo(no need for now), i will just use the extra input i have to put another cymbal

now another thing about splitted toms and i need your help

then i splitted my 3 2box toms, i added 2 cy-8 and one cy-5. the cy-5 had a cable cut, i soldered it and it is fine now. what i noticed from the beginning is that all 3 extra cymbals that were splitted from toms , had low volume. i mean they were way too silent. i thought it had to do with the piezos, they could be starting to get fecked up from many years of use (they belonged to my drum teacher). so in order my 2 box cymbals and the added cymbals to have the same level of volume, i had to turn the gain in cy-8 cymbals to 20!!! and to cy-5 at 15....
and still i could use gain at 25 if it could go up to that...

but few minutes ago it struck me. what if it is not the piezos fault? so i plugged in the place of the cy-8, my 2 box cymbal. it was loud as hell,it is logical cause the gain was at 20. then i did the opposite thing. in the plug of my 2box crash, i plugged the cy-8. which had a gain of 3. and it was as loud as my other 2box crash.
so i am thinking. can the piezos be fine, but somehow the splitted tom output that goes to my cymbals, isnt as loud as it should?
is it the cables fault? or is it the way it is? could i somehow in the mix ,volume up the rims so that the cymbals have more volume? from what i know it cant be done... any ideas?
the cables i use are the sssnake cable from thommann.de
i wonder, those if you that splitted thetoms, do you have volume issues as me?

ps. today i started really messing up with gain threshold in everyuthing. recalibrated all my kit and now when i record things with it, it is so neat. fuckin 2box is the best drum company in the world!!! so glad i got it...

Hello,
I don't have those volume isues that you got, I use Kit-Toy cymbals maby you have to tweak some things to make the Roland cymbals better working for you.You are using the same cables as I do the sssnake cable from Thomann.de and normally they will do the job well.I don't know where your volume problems comes from sorry,Maby you could ask 2box.
anyway good luck mate.
greetings,
Roel

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ok thank you very much. perhaps then i am wrong and it is a worn out roland piezo issue. perhaps i will tru and replace them. thank you

[Jman]

There are several areas in the Utility screens you should look at. When splitting the toms you should set the trigger type of the pad you are now using on the rim side. Set your trigger type, by default it will say rim but now you have a different type of trigger,  set your gain and threshold according to page 8 of the manual. Check the db levels on the screen when you hit the new pad, if the dbs are getting all the way to 0 on a hard hit and you still have low volume it is not the trigger instead you have a setting somewhere in the mixer or your instrument volume. I run all my direct outs to a mixer, and after I split my tom inputs I went back and reassigned the corresponding pads I had connected to the tom rim side to the corresponding outputs ..... IE ... if you add a cymbal than you will most likely want this to output to the same channels as the other cymbals not a cymbal being output on the tom outputs...

As I mentioned above the best way to see how your pads or piezos are triggering is to look at the db readings when you hit the pad ... in the Utility area....

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There are several areas in the Utility screens you should look at. When splitting the toms you should set the trigger type of the pad you are now using on the rim side. Set your trigger type, by default it will say rim but now you have a different type of trigger,  set your gain and threshold according to page 8 of the manual. Check the db levels on the screen when you hit the new pad, if the dbs are getting all the way to 0 on a hard hit and you still have low volume it is not the trigger instead you have a setting somewhere in the mixer or your instrument volume. I run all my direct outs to a mixer, and after I split my tom inputs I went back and reassigned the corresponding pads I had connected to the tom rim side to the corresponding outputs ..... IE ... if you add a cymbal than you will most likely want this to output to the same channels as the other cymbals not a cymbal being output on the tom outputs...

As I mentioned above the best way to see how your pads or piezos are triggering is to look at the db readings when you hit the pad ... in the Utility area....

jman thank you so much. i think we can reach a conclusion. i hit the cymbals attached to the rim strongly. with normal gain. like in the other cymbals. i see they reach the maximum db. 127. but the sound isnt high enough. they seem to register full hits, but the output volume is low. unless i put the gain in 20 as i said before. so you think it is not the piezos right?
i cannot think what is wrong here. perhaps i should change the typoe instead of rim, to something else, but i already tried it with no luck.and unfortunately in the mixer volume there is no rim volume. only tom hi hat cymbal snare etc. so if i increase volume in toms then i guess the extra cymbals will be ok, but then the toms will be way loud....
i can live with cymbals being with 20 gain, but i wish i could find a proper solution...

[Jman]

jman thank you so much. i think we can reach a conclusion. i hit the cymbals attached to the rim strongly. with normal gain. like in the other cymbals. i see they reach the maximum db. 127. but the sound isnt high enough. they seem to register full hits, but the output volume is low. unless i put the gain in 20 as i said before. so you think it is not the piezos right?
i cannot think what is wrong here. perhaps i should change the typoe instead of rim, to something else, but i already tried it with no luck.and unfortunately in the mixer volume there is no rim volume. only tom hi hat cymbal snare etc. so if i increase volume in toms then i guess the extra cymbals will be ok, but then the toms will be way loud....
i can live with cymbals being with 20 gain, but i wish i could find a proper solution...

If your hits are registering the max 127 velocity but your volume is too low it is not the pad or piezos ... that is visual confirmation. You have eliminated that as the problem. You can adjust the volume separately for the cymbal assigned to the rim right? You should set the trigger type as something other than rim though because 1st of all it is not a Rim ... it is a separate pad .... that sets this up as a separate pad .... IE by default you will have tom rim sounds on that input and you want to change the sounds to cymbal sounds.

On the last post I meant Section 8 of the manual .... you should prolly check your output destination on those new cymbal pads .... Page 33.  If it isn't a hardware problem than it is a setting in the module. Assuming you have checked several different sounds on that cymbal and it isn't just a quiet dsnd, than you have a setting to adjust in the module. In my case since I record via the 8 outputs on the Drumit5 I set the output channel that my cymbal pads (using the rim side of toms) to the same ouputs as my other cymbals because I then have all cymbals on the same outputs .... you should check all your routings, like ouputs, Mix, submix ... etc...  and of course the individual kit instrument volume.

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jman thank you very much. since i wont check it right now, i will search this and will come back later with my findings. btw it is surely no quiet dsnd issue. thank you very much. rep added and also my sig is changed for you my dear friend!!!!

[Jman]

jman thank you very much. since i wont check it right now, i will search this and will come back later with my findings. btw it is surely no quiet dsnd issue. thank you very much. rep added and also my sig is changed for you my dear friend!!!!

thnks buddy   I had something like this happen one time and it ended up being that I did not have some of the outputs designated to the headphone output .... at least I think that is what I remember, it was a mix routing problem at any rate for me, but you'll find it.... J

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hi again. i spent all morning fixing everything.
i was confused with the difference of fixing the mix that goes to the phones and fixing gains to go out to the outputs. now i am fine. i have the extra cymbals at 8 gain (instead of gain 3 that all other cymbals have., but that could also be natural as i put the extra cymbals in act3 as there was no cymbal output in there on pad kick and actr... now it is all fine i think

sad thing is that i have only 2 outputs connected to my pc and therefor i cannot make a good mix in sound.

so what do you advise me? should i get one 6 channel console? (or with more channels?) so that i plug the 6 outputs of the brain in the console and mix their levels from there? and record what i play in my pc? i mean, i will have my brain connected to the console through the 6 outputs and then connect the consoles line out to the pc and record it? is this the way to go?
also could i send the line out of the console also to my headphones so that i hear the consoles mix in my ears and not the mix of the 2box brain?

now if i am correct in my thinking i need a console. please guys advice me in a good value for money console to buy. how much do they cost approximately?
should they have 6 channels or more? can they also record straight away or only through pc? thank you


ps. now i undesrtand why all of you had consoles...

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searching for consoles i saw this in a greek site
MACKIE PROFX 8 for 150 euro. is it worth it?
or should i get an external; sound card for my pc that is also a console? please help me my gear acquisition syndrome is killing me now