Hi, I recently purchased a midi adaptor and rock band 3. I managed to correctly assign the pads and cymbals to the appropriate places for the game, but I'm unsure of how to disable the triggering on the rims of my snare and toms. See, if I hit the rim of my snare it will trigger something like a cymbal or something instead. I understand how to reassign the rims triggering on the individual kits, but I have no idea how to do this via midi. Some help would be greatly appreaciated.
i also have a midi adaptor and never actually managed to make it perfect. i used to have ion drum rocker. i was pretty good at it. for example in eye of the tiger i had 100% score., when i played it with 2box i never got more than 70% some notes keep not registering ir double registering. when i go to freestyle mod, i dont notice anything strange. but when i go play, i find it strange that i miss notes. i will look again as i now have a new hi hat. i think i have managed to not have rim sounds. i also managed to make the cymbals one zone. i will check it tomorrow or the day after and give you the details. if you also somehow make it perfect please do tell me what you did. i use an sd card with settings just for rock band. and i also have my normal card for playing normal drums with the normal settings...
I have never owned a "Rock Band" game or anything like that before, but I have had a go on one.
One thing I noticed is there was no dynamic to it. So... you hit and that is what the game wants... justa registered hit at the right time.
So... thinking about this... there are all sorts of MIDI velocities being outputted my a module designed for a large dynamic range.
This leads me to think that maybe any MIDI note less than 127 is going to be rejected by the game software... and not register a note... hence the missed hits in gameplay.
Try setting up a kit that has no dynamics. 1 velocity hits... full. Or... if you don't want to do that, change the trigger settings on the pads you hit to MAX 2 in the envelope via the module menu. That will register a 0dB hit regardless of how hard you hit the pads.
Quote from: ROB219 on March 18, 2012, 03:06:49 AM
Try setting up a kit that has no dynamics. 1 velocity hits... full. Or... if you don't want to do that, change the trigger settings on the pads you hit to MAX 2 in the envelope via the module menu. That will register a 0dB hit regardless of how hard you hit the pads.
i have done that rob already, but still there were missed hits. i think they were either from the hi hat or the kick. will check again now that i have manfreds kit and cy-5 to see if it is all gone better...
Hello and welcom to the forum.
I own a Midi Pro Adapter and Rock Band 3. But i've never tried it with he 2Box yet.
I did with my DTX900K and it as working flawlessly.
My Xbox 360 and my Kit are now at a different place so I cannot play on E-drums with Rockband anymore.
On the midi box aadapter, you can set sensitivity to avoid double triggering. If you set it high, you'll need to hit harder to register a hit for the game.
If you want to play with velocity,The best thing to do is to disable the drum sound of Rock band and use the module sound. This way you can play with your own velocity as long as you play what the game asks you.
About 2Box midi note assignement, I think there's a huge drawback to play games like Rockband. : let's say if you assign a note on your snare, the rim note will be automatically the consecutive higher midi note. You cannot assign it independantly.
Same for 3 zone cymbals, you set a note and 2Box assign the rest consecutively.
I'll miss the DTX900 for this features as it was capable of assigning any zone with any note. So I have set it with same note for each zone of a given pad and set open Hi hat midi the same as the Blue Cymbal (usually the Ride). It was working very well this way. Alas, I think you cannot do this on the 2Box. I have yet to try it.
So is it possible to change or disable a midi signal from being sent? For example, so that the signal from the rim isn't sent.
I have read the manual and they say nothing about possibility to disable a zone. Maybe you can do it on the Unit-Interface menu by setting the number of zone to 1 for your given pad.
Already tried it, but it only assigns zones for the kits. The midi notes still end up being triggered.
If you cannot disable or assign the same note or a note corresponding to the red block on Rock Band, I don't think it is possible. Did you check if the Head and Rim can be set independantely ? I think it should if 2Box allows Head and Rim splitting.
The ultimate last option is to plug a mono jack to your snare pad so the rim will not trigger at all ;D
Mono jack would prolly be the best idea tbh.
I have checked and yes you can assign same or different note as you like on Head and Rim so the best choice is to set a midi note for the rim that is note recognise by the Midi Pro Adapter (assuming you're using this model). Problem solved.
The problem still remain for Cymbal and Hi Hat though.
I already explained that I tried that, it changes the note sent for the kits, not the midi note sent. Essentially what happened is I set it so that the snares top and rim sounded the same, however the game still read the rim as the tom. Clearly, what is being changed, is not the midi note being sent.
That's quiet odd.
Then Mono jack all the way.
I have to buy a RCAx2 to Jack converter to be able to set the kit for Rockband. I'll try to get it next week and see what I can do around.
I have run through a little test by bringing the module at home, plugging the 2Box on the midi pro adapter and trying to trigger the game notes via 2Box face buttons.
What I say works, you can assign a completely different midi note or the same midi note on Head and Rim. Thus you can trigger the red block with both or you can "disable" the rim by assigning a midi note which is not supported by the midi pro adapter.
From what you are saying, it seems you misundertsand midi note and sound setting for a particular trigger.
From this little test, 4 zones cymbals will prove to be problematic if you can't assign a midi note on each zone manually.
shwoking sorry for my delay, i will make 2 phonecalls and after that i will post my settings here. i will tell you what i did, what my problems still are and perhaps we work together and find a solution
and people pelase stop saying to get mono cables. thisisnt a solution. we cant all the time plug and uplug cable. it wil be a nightmare. thank you
Quote from: SHwoKing on March 20, 2012, 07:54:10 PM
I have run through a little test by bringing the module at home, plugging the 2Box on the midi pro adapter and trying to trigger the game notes via 2Box face buttons.
What I say works, you can assign a completely different midi note or the same midi note on Head and Rim. Thus you can trigger the red block with both or you can "disable" the rim by assigning a midi note which is not supported by the midi pro adapter.
From what you are saying, it seems you misundertsand midi note and sound setting for a particular trigger.
From this little test, 4 zones cymbals will prove to be problematic if you can't assign a midi note on each zone manually.
Lol, I understand you can assign different sounds to the zones. I've done it myself. What I'm saying is the midi adaptor doesn't receive the sound, it just receives the midi note. Meaning that, even if you hear a different sound play on the zone via the 2box module, it will make no difference to the xbox (or ps3), as they only receive the midi note, not the sound that you assigned to it via the 2box. I have tested all of this within Rockband.
yep think i fixed. the whole fuckin internet should praise me andgive me karma (i am kidding)
firstly i will start by saying thank you manfred.
and that is because since the last time i played and things were fucked, all i really changed was the hi hat stand with a pearl eliminator h2000, the hi hat cymbal with a roland cy-5 and i used manfreds box to achieve that
let me now tell you the settings
first big problem was the cymbals having 3 zones. the way to eliminate this is this
put in the type area. kick 1
in everything. cymbal hi hat kick snare toms. kick 1
this way everything works like a kick therefore it only has one zone!!!!
in the toms and snare the rims will be triggered but only with the same midi. i mean that if you either hit the snre or the rim of the snare it is same red note. just make sure you dont hit them together
(you have to play wit hsensitivity , i have in midi pro adapter sensitivity all the way up. and in 2box brain threshold in toms and snare in 30. and it works fine
hi hat has only one zone. either if you close or open it there is no change it is always oppened. if anyone has any idea to change that into a blue note, tell me
do not forget to have xtrig in max
and a very useful setting is put curve in max2. so that there are no dynamics. whether you hit soft or hard, the note gets registered.
since a year now i couldnt finish eye of the tiger more than 70 %( when i had ion drum rocker i scored 100%)
now after a year i played it, and even though in the beginning i messed real hard, i got a 92%. i am sure now if i play again i will have 100%. it is working. i didnt try expert zone but for the hi hat, i tried both the hi hat cymbal and the hi tom and both registered fine. i will try it again once more now but i think we are fine.
and i am guesssing the biggest problem was the hi hat of 2box?
anyway. any more questions just post it here. might answer tomorrow but anyway... i am so happy
Quote from: Womble on March 20, 2012, 08:41:33 PM
Lol, I understand you can assign different sounds to the zones. I've done it myself. What I'm saying is the midi adaptor doesn't receive the sound, it just receives the midi note. Meaning that, even if you hear a different sound play on the zone via the 2box module, it will make no difference to the xbox (or ps3), as they only receive the midi note, not the sound that you assigned to it via the 2box. I have tested all of this within Rockband.
Then i don't see what's your problem, just assign a midi note to the rim that is not supported by the midi pro adapter, problem solved.
@BURNIN AMBITION, thanks for sharing, some usefull info.
I'll give it a try on saturday maybe if I have enough time.
BTW i will run the Xbox 360 sound through the 2Box line in and set drum volume of the game to 0. So I'll be able to play using 2Box internal sound. I will then not use the curve to Max 2 trick. I will also disable all the Rim by assigning a non supported midi note to avoid unwanted triggering
So with type area set to Kick 1 on a cymbal input you have same midi note on all zone and still keep Bow/ Bell/Edge sound on the module ? That's pretty good news. Exactly what is needed.
So yeah i guess the only problem is to be able to have yellow block for closed Hi Hat and blue block with open Hi Hat and it will be perfect. I will see if there's some trick around that can be done to do that.
Quote from: SHwoKing on March 20, 2012, 09:20:59 PM
@BURNIN AMBITION, thanks for sharing, some usefull info.
I'll give it a try on saturday maybe if I have enough time.
BTW i will run the Xbox 360 sound through the 2Box line in and set drum volume of the game to 0. So I'll be able to play using 2Box internal sound. I will then not use the curve to Max 2 trick. I will also disable all the Rim by assigning a non supported midi note to avoid unwanted triggering
So with type area set to Kick 1 on a cymbal input you have same midi note on all zone and still keep Bow/ Bell/Edge sound on the module ? That's pretty good news. Exactly what is needed.
So yeah i guess the only problem is to be able to have yellow block for closed Hi Hat and blue block with open Hi Hat and it will be perfect. I will see if there's some trick around that can be done to do that.
first of all my friend.
it is better to hear the volume of the game not the sound of 2box. because when u play good in the game you hearalso the sound of the other instruments. you can hear them both if you want. i have my tv loud so i hear xbox game sound, and in 2box game i have my earphones plugged in. i dont put them in my ears but i can hear slightly the 2box sound as well. imo it is very critical to have the curve in max2. it has to do with the registered notes. not with sound you hear. you want all your hits to be of equal power to avoid hick ups. if you want test your way but do share your results. i think my way will be better, but we lose nothing by testing. i would also like to make rims not registering. can you tell me how you assign midi notes to the rims? to save me time please?
about the cymbals. by putting them in kick1 type, whether you hit bow edge or bell, one note is registering. the same note. which is very good news. but from 2box you also hear only one sound. and that is very logical
i will share with you what i did. i did the sd card expansion trick. and now i have 2 cards. one of 32gb with normal 2box settings and all kits, and a 4 gb card that i put inside with xbox settings. whenever i want to play rock band. on second atempt of eyeof the tiger i scored 96 percent. after a year of not playing rock band, it is decent score. i am sure now everything works well. please do test if your 22box hi hat works well. perhaps i should have from day one put max2 curve but i think the big problem was the 2box hi hat. with manfreds box i can now again play rock band and i am very very happy. cheers to the whole 2box unofficial forum. we should be official. its about bloody time
I prefer to hear the module sound as timing is so gentle, it feels weird to me to hear perfectly timed drum part when you are a bit offbeat.
In your first message, i didn't understand that you've setted every channel to Kick1 parameter in the Unit-Trigger menu. I thought it was possible from a different menu specific to midi. That makes sense now.
About assigning a different note to the rim, just go to the Unit-Interface menu (press Unit button then page down *3). Then per channel, you can assign a different note. To acces each channel you can use the usual 2 possibilities : hit the appropriate pad or use the face buttons (just like when you would do to change a sound on the Kit-Drum page).
I prefer to use the face buttons on the 2Box : to choose a specific rim : hold the More button and tap the snare or tom 1,2,3,4 button to acces the rim you want to change (also called Perc on 2Box manual). Then you change the midi note for this specific rim and voila !
Quote from: SHwoKing on March 20, 2012, 09:20:59 PM
Then i don't see what's your problem, just assign a midi note to the rim that is not supported by the midi pro adapter, problem solved.
Don't know how to do that.
I'll try out your solution in abit burning :)
thanx swhoking. guys i feel finally we can sort everything out and play again so happily rock band!!!! so happy!!!!!
ok new update. i may be able to play better than last year with the tweaks i did but still i dont perform that good as i used to. and i noticed this
the volume knob of 2box brain palys a big role. and that is fucked up. i mean i try to play creep by radiohead, and all the kicks that needed a slide didnt register and i kept failing. i turned accidentally down, the volume on 2box and i started acing the song. pretty weird. why is that any idea? and how could we find the best position of the volume knob?
will domore testing tomorrow. perhaps i will now recalibrate as well
also it seems that in guuitar hero it is easier not to miss notes than in rock band. strange.will recalibrate soon and come back with more info guys
I don't suppose you have a list of default settings? I did what you did and I forgot the defaults :/
Your solution worked briliantly btw, cheers.
tell me what is the file that contains all settings (i always forget) and i will email it to you. i have the backup of everything just before i started playing with settings. so for you does it work 100% excellently?
mine is way better than a year ago, but still it needs some minor tweaks. did you also notice that the volume of 2box brain affects the playability of rock band game?
also can you tell me about snare kick and hi hat settings you have/? i mean threshold and gain.did you tighten hard the kick mesh? soft?
the toms in mine work excellent. the cymbals also excellent. sometimes i miss some notes.it needs tweaking. i guess something still double triggers. but not that often. but in difficult tracks it can cause you to lose a song....
thanx
Nevermind, I forgot to save the settings anyway.
I too noticed that the volume effect.
I set my threshold the same as yours.
After playing it properly, I realised im still having some problems with missed notes, mainly on the cymbals. The problem I believe is that there is still no way to assign the same midi note to all 3 zones. So in essence, I have to hit 1 zone on it for it to work. Otherwise the game will not pick up on it. Quite annoying :/
Quote from: Womble on March 22, 2012, 09:30:27 PM
Nevermind, I forgot to save the settings anyway.
I too noticed that the volume effect.
I set my threshold the same as yours.
After playing it properly, I realised im still having some problems with missed notes, mainly on the cymbals. The problem I believe is that there is still no way to assign the same midi note to all 3 zones. So in essence, I have to hit 1 zone on it for it to work. Otherwise the game will not pick up on it. Quite annoying :/
did you put the cymbal type to kick1? you didnt. thats why you need 3 zones. once you put it in kick 1 you will have only one zone in the cymbals mate. my cymbals work perfectly
Actually I did put them in kick1.
ok if you assign them to kick1, then they have only one zone. whether you hit bow edge or bell it is the same. they work the same. mine work excellent. so, if you have problems, i guess it is a matter of having low threshold and / or gain as well. increase them!! cheers
Ok, i finally got the chance to set a PC monitor and the Xbox to play Rockband with my drums.
I have plugged the Xbox audio source into the line Line In and start with Greenday Rockband.
I have mapped the midi setting my way : keeping every output the way they are (not everything with Kick1), mapped all the rims to C-1 midi note so they are disable. Mapped my crash 1 with edge triggering green block, crash 2 with edge triggering blue block, Ride with bow triggering blue block and finally Hi hat with edge triggering yellow and bow triggering blue.
This way, the game was working quiet well. And when i was dropping a combo, it seems that it was just my fault.
Then i swap to Rockband 2. Start playing Eye of the tiger, i couldn't do a measure properly, the combo meter was dropping very often. I stopped, gone to tutorial and tried a simple pattern with no kick, just snare and Hi hat. I was getting 100% of the note but the game was still counted it as miss. So there's some sort of double triggering occuring without notice.
I get back to Greenday Rockband, and everything was working smoothly. So i guess Rockband 2 + midi pro + 2Box is fucked up.
I also own Rockband 3 but it is at a friend's house right now. I will get it back soon and I hope it will work like Greenday Rockband.
i have to say that it is better for all of us to test it in rb3. cause i think you can find con files to export the other rock bands to rb3 easily. i actually have a jtag xbox so no problems for me but it is generally better to check our rsettings in rb3. did you do a calibration? also since volume of 2box affects trigerring, try to reduce or increase it and see what happens...
i will not disable my rims apar from snare, since in less than 4 days i will have added 3 new cymbals in my kit so the toms will be split. but seriously i dont understand why you dont want to make the cymbals one zone. for rock band, it is the best way. for me you should get an sd extender if you dont have, get a 4gb sd card and use it and its settings only for rock band. and have another card for drumming. thats what i do. otherwise it is terrible to alter settings every time i would wantto play rock band. also max2 type for me is essential. so that all hits get trigerred regardless of dynamics and how hard you hit...
i will wait your test with rb3, and i will do more testsmy self soon. take care mate and thanx for all your efforts
Well, i tried with RB2 because along with Greenday RB, that's the only games i had.
RB1, RB2, RB Greenday are all imported on RB3 along with a bunch of DLC so my plan is to play on RB3 only once i will get it back.
Why I don't want to put everything on Kick 1 and Max2 curve setting is just because i want to play along with the 2box module sound. So no Max2 for me.
I have to try if I keep edge sound for crash and bow sound for ride with Kick 1 setting. If it works, then i'll switch to this. But netherless, there no problem to play with the way I set them. Edge is sensitive enough on both crashes and i won't trigger the bell by accident too.
For the Hi hat, it is pretty convenient to have edge on yellow and blue on bow so i'll keep it like this.
my friendly advice is not to mix rock band with regular drumming. you need 2 sd cards my friend. otherwise you miss too many things from normal drumming. get an sd extender and another sd card. wont cost you more than 20 euros. and it is well worth it. i never regretted having 2 cards. i now have one 32 gb for normal 2box activity and another 4 gb just for rock band. and in that, i can feck up wit hsettings as much as i like. and have max2 curves in everything, and i like it@!!!!!1\
i am a bit drunk. welll talk more about it once i find some time and add some more experimental results. talk to you soon.
My Rockband 3 copy is back at home so i was able to play for 4 hours today.
I will keep my settings as is, they work really fine. I've tried to play while cutting down module sound and i didn't liked it. That was like if that wasn't me playing.
I couldn't 100% a song on expert but that is because i have problems to read what the game is throwing at me right now. Especially for fills.
I had my fun though, time consuming and I was exhausted after 4 hours of playing.
A side note : on what screen do you play ? I ask because many LCD TV have huge lag which is terrible when playing game like Rockband. You can calibrate it but that is never optimum as the lag is changing the more you play.
This is why I prefer to play on an good LCD monitor or a CRT TV, you don't need any calibration.
sorry i havent posted on this thread, i am very busy, after tuesday i have 2 weeks vacations, so i will post then.cheers
Hi,
Just plugged in my 2Box to PS3 and fired up Rock Band 3.
I read the thread and was able to set up my kit with the helpful advices you guys have posted here. One thing though, I'm not able to assign open/closed hihat as blue/yellow in-game notes.
If anyone has been able to figure this out it would be appreciated if the knowledge could be shared.
Thanks in advance :)