Hey Everyone
Three videos for you from MTV day:
Personally i think these videos show just how good this kit performs in live situations.
Enjoy ;D
Scott
Well i have to say the stand looks like it is going to fall over ;D ;D ;D ;)
p.s before someone takes that the wrong way, someone usually will, Yes i was being totally sarcastic in every sense!
It sounds amazing though and the orange really stands out. I think it looks really cool up there.
Quote from: Travis182 on September 22, 2009, 06:08:49 PM
It sounds amazing though and the orange really stands out. I think it looks really cool up there.
I agree :drum2:
Sounds pretty real except the bass drum but that could be what I am listening with. It sounded muffled not very defined like a blob of LF sound. It also sounded not in the kit seperated somehow. Like an A kit with the bass drum triggering a sample.
Quote from: wbrs on September 22, 2009, 09:33:31 PM
Sounds pretty real except the bass drum but that could be what I am listening with. It sounded muffled not very defined like a blob of LF sound. It also sounded not in the kit seperated somehow. Like an A kit with the bass drum triggering a sample.
Isn't it funny how everyone has different opinions, because the kick drum was one of the things that stood out for me. Thought it had a good punchy sound to it, which is what i am guessing they wanted especially in the first video.
I just tried watching some video's of J-AX performance on the MTV Italian website, but i can't because of copyright restrictions. I was wondering if the audio would be any better on their videos.
Scott
Hey Everyone
Ok just found this on myspace, there is more in this one and i think the audio is clearer::
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=63102473 (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=63102473)
Edit: here is part 2:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=63102969&searchid=0ed14477-6e50-4dd9-8cec-ceec9b079654 (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=63102969&searchid=0ed14477-6e50-4dd9-8cec-ceec9b079654)
Thanks
Scott
Your right Scottie, it is funny how peoples opinions are completely different. But i guess if they didn't everyone would be the same and that could get boring. The bass drum is the one thing that struck me first when i listened to the videos also, especially in the 3rd song i think it is. I thought it really stood out well in the mix, maybe the kick could have been a tiny bit louder but hey, i'm sure if you were there the whole thing was pretty darn loud. At the end of the day we are listening to a recording off some home speakers.
I think this is a great sign though, that someone professional is already using the kit in a live situation (as big as that) and it looked sturdy as a rock.
:rock: on 2Box great job
1. the audience hears a (good sounding) drumkit
2. I hear and play a (good sounding) drumkit
3. but somewhere, somehow I am fed up with the image that this ''thing'' doesn't look like a real drumkit. No matter how awful many acoustic drumkits do sound and look.
I wish my mind wasn't that pre-programmed
Quote from: puttenvr on September 23, 2009, 04:00:22 PM
1. the audience hears a (good sounding) drumkit
2. I hear and play a (good sounding) drumkit
3. but somewhere, somehow I am fed up with the image that this ''thing'' doesn't look like a real drumkit. No matter how awful many acoustic drumkits do sound and look.
I wish my mind wasn't that pre-programmed
Errr go and get a Acoustic kit and stick mesh heads on it if it bothers you that much that it doesn't look like an acoustic kit.? Jesus, at the end of the day people have to realise IT'S AN ELECTRONIC DRUM KIT!!!!! why should it not look electronic?
Agree
It's not the ''people's'' problem (they don't bother how it looks)
It's mine
E kits look lame to me, I can deal with it in the studio but live I would have to use converted A drums. I don't think my band mates would get on stage with me if I were using these.
It may go back to our caveman days.
Errr go and get a Acoustic kit and stick mesh heads on it if it bothers you that much that it doesn't look like an acoustic kit.? Jesus, at the end of the day people have to realise IT'S AN ELECTRONIC DRUM KIT!!!!! why should it not look electric?
[/quote]. Because I don't like it. Is that alright with you?
They better sound like A kit but by golly they better not look like one.
Quote from: wbrs on September 24, 2009, 11:25:26 PM
Errr go and get a Acoustic kit and stick mesh heads on it if it bothers you that much that it doesn't look like an acoustic kit.? Jesus, at the end of the day people have to realise IT'S AN ELECTRONIC DRUM KIT!!!!! why should it not look electric?
. Because I don't like it. Is that alright with you?
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Please tell me where i was talking to you wbrs? I was saying as a general opinion that Puttenr seems so concerned about the look of his drum kit rather than just playing it because it sounds great. I was simply saying this as an option for him. He could buy an A kit put some mesh heads on it and triggers and then use the 2box module?.
No I was talking to you
I thought about it and there are places where the 2box would look appropriate like any all girl group that plays those daisy guitars, ABBA reunion concert, Tony Orlando's backing band, and little Georgies good time gospel hour.
Did someone steal our "don't feed the troll" sign? ;D
Quote from: wbrs on September 26, 2009, 04:04:55 AM
I thought about it and there are places where the 2box would look appropriate like any all girl group that plays those daisy guitars, ABBA reunion concert, Tony Orlando's backing band, and little Georgies good time gospel hour.
.....or live at an MTV festival being played by a big rockband in Italy :rock: I don't think they would use it with their daisy guitars either, as the colour would clash with the pink and yellow!! ;)
I'm guessing that you dont like the look of the DrumIt Five wbrs ;)
The look of the kit really does split people down the middle, some people love the look some people don't, which is fair enough. If everyone liked the same things in life it would be very boring. At the end of the day all i care about is that people love the feel and sound of the kit, and so far from the feedback i have had it does just that!
Scott :)
I admit that I hate the orange color and will wait to see if it comes out in a different color. I do like the efficiency of having no shell on the drums. This makes it more compact and lighter to transport especially if you had to use air travel. One downfall I am told is that you cannot put the snare on a snare stand. some people have said the kit is not a solid as a Roland kit but I have not played it myself.
It would be easy to get trigger pads with shells if it bothers any one that much,or convert an acoustic kit. Maybe eventually you will be able to just buy the cymbals and module and use your own drum pads.
I still don't know why the company does not have optimized demos. I assume that every kit that can be made is sold. It seems to me that it would be very cheap to make a recording of an electronic kit. Roland and Yamaha have very clear demos that demonstrate the sound you are getting.
I have not heard a good punchy studio/live kick from the 2box yet,but it might be there. I have heard some good snares toms,and rides. I have not heard a clear demo of the hi hat working well.
Peter
Is that true ?
One cannot put the snare on a snare stand ???
Look out if you poke fun at how they look your a troll
Just watch the video with tony liotta and u will see a snare on a seperate snare stand. So again just someone making up things when they don't even know themselves. I also don't see how their demos don't show how the kit plays, I take it u want them to do a johnny rabb type video.
I am waiting to see what will be available separatly and how compatable it will be with other pads. If they aren't then I may have no choice but to buy the pads too. They just won't be aloud to go out in public. My bandmates say Edrums look gay and playing them naked probably doesn't help. They just don't appreciate those cute little baby edrum pads make my stick look bigger.
i put the snarepad on a regular snarestand because i was pushing the snare pad down during a longer session. But now i found a solution using the original components. I simply put a piece of tube between the part that holds the pad and the rackclamp. cost nothing and works like a charme. But the snare stand worked great too. (but was more expensive!)
Quote from: wbrs on September 27, 2009, 09:26:29 PM
I am waiting to see what will be available separatly and how compatable it will be with other pads. If they aren't then I may have no choice but to buy the pads too. They just won't be aloud to go out in public. My bandmates say Edrums look gay and playing them naked probably doesn't help. They just don't appreciate those cute little baby edrum pads make my stick look bigger.
Hi wbrs
Playing naked.... i dont think you will have to worry about the look of the kit anymore ;)
Everything will be available separately, and this should happen with the next couple of shipments.
Thanks
Scott
Quote from: Dr.Wu on September 27, 2009, 09:53:28 PM
i put the snarepad on a regular snarestand because i was pushing the snare pad down during a longer session. But now i found a solution using the original components. I simply put a piece of tube between the part that holds the pad and the rackclamp. cost nothing and works like a charme. But the snare stand worked great too. (but was more expensive!)
Hi Dr.Wu
How long is the playing session where the snare moves down, as this is some thing i haven't experienced? I have just tried our snare here, and had to put a
lot of force on it before it would move:
http://blip.tv/file/2653696 (http://blip.tv/file/2653696)
How tight have you got the bracket?
Thanks
Scott
I think the 2box set looks just great on the stage in these MTV videos. The cymbals actually look quite natural because they're big and swing like normal cymbals do. And the set sounds very amazingly real. I think I'll need to buy more cymbal pads in future, though, to get some variation to crashes and a splash maybe.
If I didn't see wrong, the drummer in these MTV videos has separate stands for snare and the "floor tom" on the hi-hat side, at least.
That is great that you can use a snare stand and I assume a different hi hat stand.
I am definitiely not looking for Johnny Rabb videos,just the exact opposite. I would like to hear a pro recording of a kick,snare and closed hi hat playing a very clean beat with the best mix kit possible. So far I have heard one moment of a snare that was puinchy and not overcompressed and still have not heard a fat punchy kick.
I think I could put together a kit like this if I could try the kit but it does not exist in the US.
Will there be an update with EQ for each drum and a reverb send? Like so many engineers,I always add a bit of reverb on the snare for live gigs.
I do think the kit is great and I do a lot of testing of VST software. I think a good versatile kit would be a Steven Slate kick with an Ocean Way drums snare. The toms and cymbals seem very good already.
Again I don't know why the company doesn't just record a clean demo themselves. It is even more strange that people defend them for not doing it. A clean demo would probably get you a lot of orders. I don't know of any other company that relies on users to provide their demos. Send me a kit and I will gladly do a great demo for it and post it on all the websites.
Peter
Seeing as there's a hundred kits and therefore avast amount of variations for user made kits, it would be quite difficult to do a demo that pleased everyone?
I did a whole sample here:
http://www.neilcarden.co.uk/audio/2boxSamples.mp3
Which plays through every kit - but some people said there is distortion - I listened again the other day adn cannot hear it, but these are raw as they come out the unit...
If you have a MIDI file of a beat you would like to hear - pop it over and I will try some different kits for it - which resemble the sound you're after?
Personally I will be using Superior Drummer and /or BFD for recording as I prefer the sounds and the tweakability...
Thanks for doing that. There are some crash cymbals that sound overloaded but other wise i think that must be what the kit sounds like. I would have thought that the company would make there own demo and master it but i guess they don't want to.
The kits seems inconsistent to me. Some kits have a great snare,some kits have a great ride,but it seems like some sounds within a kit are almost unprofessional sounding while other are really good. The kicks all sound weak to me but it should be easy to get a good kick with some editing.
Can you adjust the amount of room sound per drum?
Peter
At this moment you can't adjust the room settings (because there aren't any, the ''room'' is inside the sample)
Some kicks also have some noise (a hiss) at the end of the sample. That's pretty strange since all other (long) sounds don't have that. 2Box should work over the kick sounds.
I also agree about the inconsistent kit configurations. I turned down almost all ride cymbal volumes since there were too loud for me
Hi Peter
This is just the first round of sounds that have been released. There are going to be more samples that you can download straight off of the 2box website in the future, and of course you will be able to download your own samples in to the unit soon as well.
I understand where you are coming from with the demo's, but in all honesty everyone has just been flat out at 2box, and the demo's have had to wait for a little bit. I think getting version 1.0 of the OS out of the door is the main priority at the moment, which for me is the right thing also. We can get a few issues sorted for end users that have already brought the kit.
Also remember with the kits you can build your own, so if you don't like the sound of a particular snare then change it for another one that suits your needs. The kit will have EQ and reverb in one of the updates, but my understand is that i don't think this will be in V1.0. Also just like any E Kit out there, i'm sure that not every pre-loaded kit is to everyone's taste.
Thanks
Scott
Scott! Do you think the software upgrade will follow when next shipping is on the way?
I´ve ordered a kit via my store in sweden.
That will be great if you can load your own samples. EQ and a sample reverb would be great. I got some bricasti reverb samples for free [legally] that are amazing. Ity seems like it would make sense to have a sample based reverb. With the samples available the 2 box people would not have to design reverb software.
Peter
About samples :
On french forums, many people who are used to work with multilayers samples
are convinced that loading one's own multilayers samples in the module and
obtain a good sound quality won't be easy at all to do, and think it's mainly a selling point.
They ask how the module will manage the multilayers samples.
For example if you load a ludwig supraphonic snare drum sound, you load in your drumit 5 module
a folder in which there are six samples (multilayer) , and later when you select your snare sound
on the module, you hit the snare drum, and according to the strength of the stroke, the trigger
will "tell" the module which sample among the six to play and automatically define the stroke strength levels
to switch from a sample to another ?
And if you have another folder with 10 samples for the floor tom, it will define new stroke strength levels ?
Does anybody know how the whole thing will exactly work ?
:patbat2box:
What's difficult about doing that?
In a hardware sampler - like the Akai series - this can be done since 20 years
I assume the whole job will be done in the pc editor which will be released soon