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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2011, 03:36:41 PM »
UPDATE:
Yes! I removed the resistor and replaced it with a piece of conductor wire. Both zones now work like a dream. Thank you very much for your help Manfred. This was very easy modification indeed!

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2011, 04:05:44 PM »

@espen

Nice to hear that your setup with a Yamaha cymbal works with this little mod!

@Jman

Cool, the black box seems to fit perfectly in your hihat. And a black box is a bit more "stealth" than the light grey of my box  :D


In summary we have now the following cymbals working as a 2Box hihat together with the circuit board:

- Roland CY-5
- DIY-Cymbal (made by Jman)
- DIY-Cymbal (made by edtc)
- Yamaha PCY-135 (easy mod required for zone detection)

Thats really cool and i hope this list can be expanded more and more. Maybe with some news from Australia?

Regards, Manfred



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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2011, 07:29:49 PM »
@espen



In summary we have now the following cymbals working as a 2Box hihat together with the circuit board:

- Roland CY-5
- DIY-Cymbal (made by Jman)
- DIY-Cymbal (made by edtc)
- Yamaha PCY-135 (easy mod required for zone detection)



... it also works with a simple mono rubber pad... but without edge zone    
naturally ....

By the way , its good to know that Yamaha cymbals are working 100% with this little mod ... and if it works with the HI HAT ,    I imagine that we can get a full 3 zone with a cymbal ... :rock:

Good point because Yamaha rubber cymbals are really well  made , sturdy and thet do sound quiet compared to other products ... I have 2 mono triangular PCY65 and i love them for crash .
.. you can even trigger the bell with them as their piezo is located really close to the bell ... and with an aquarian spring Cymbal holder , they swing and make even less noise ....

I know they exist with an edge switch , and i think those would make a lovely HI-Hat trigger with your board ...


« Last Edit: September 01, 2011, 07:42:35 PM by edtc »

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2011, 05:48:09 AM »
Yes, the Yamaha cymbal pads are very identical in triggering- and acoustic noise -wise to Roland ones except almost half priced! I like them very much. I haven't tried those Yamaha's "pizza slice" pads but I think they don't look visually too attractive, IMO.
My crashes are Yamaha PCY-155 and bow, edge and choke work right but the bell is triggering an edge sample (as Manfred assumed). Also, when I tested my mod hihat pad in one cymbal input the performance was similar. Nevertheless, it's totally adequate for me. I don't need bells of crashes. I have a Roland CY-15 as a ride pad and separation between bell and bow is not as good as I liked. Either the bell is a bit insensitive or when increasing the gain you get unwanted bell sounds from bow when hit harder. But I think this is an issue that is mentioned several times here already and is more problem of the module not the pad itself.

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2011, 11:20:20 AM »





Hi Manfred. Which connection is "in" and which is "out"?
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2011, 11:35:50 AM »

Hi,

there are labels at the circuit board next to both connectors. One is "Brain" and the other one "Cymbal". At the picture the upper connector is for the cymbal and the lower for the module.

Regards, Manfred


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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2011, 03:44:35 AM »
Hi Manfred,
I never expected the labeling to be ON the board - your professionalism is fantastic.
For anyone interested, the box is fully compatible with a Roland VH-12 - just connect the HH out the to box and the box out to your module. My only issue is to find a magnet that works. At first I got no response, then I realised my magnet is too strong. So now I have to find a weaker one. And that's no easy task if you don't know what the magnet rating systems mean!
Again, Manfred, great work. Thanks.
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2011, 04:11:45 AM »
Hi Manfred,
I never expected the labeling to be ON the board - your professionalism is fantastic.
For anyone interested, the box is fully compatible with a Roland VH-12 - just connect the HH out the to box and the box out to your module. My only issue is to find a magnet that works. At first I got no response, then I realised my magnet is too strong. So now I have to find a weaker one. And that's no easy task if you don't know what the magnet rating systems mean!
Again, Manfred, great work. Thanks.
Allan, did you try calibrating? Also try reversing the magnet... When I setup my box, I got no change from open to closed until I calibrated. And the direction the magnet faces matters, 50/50 chance ... one way or the other...
The reason I mention that is I have a really powerful magnet ....extremely hard to pull two of these apart:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Neodymium-Ring-Magnets-3-4-x-1-4-x-3-8-Rare-Earth-N42-/190567839039?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5eba753f
It works really well. I set it up so the pedal/magnet is about 1/2" above the top of the box when pedal is fully depressed/closed HH. Also, the hall sensor should be facing the magnet, the jack side of the board should be on the bottom and the Green side up ... Like Manfred's how he mounted his board...
Just throwing out ideas .... J
« Last Edit: September 03, 2011, 04:30:53 AM by Jman »
I could tell you where to stick that piezo! :D ;)
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2011, 01:21:49 AM »
Just received the hi hat controller today... thanks Manfred.

Haven't had a chance to test it yet, but it sure as hell looks the part. This job is unbelievably professional! Well done, + + + + + + :D

Handing out another 3 x Animal  award...

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I will run it up over the weekend and see how it goes.

Thanks man!
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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2011, 09:05:20 PM »

Hi,

today i made two videos and uploaded them to Youtube. The first one is with a Roland CY-5 as hihat and the second one is with a Yamaha PCY-155. With the Yamaha cymbal i just made a quick setup of the trigger parameters. So not really optimal. The Yamaha cymbal needs a little mod to use it as hihat.

Here are the links:

Roland CY-5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mRekNSxh5c

Yamaha PCY-155:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1zYmUzp1eY

Regards, Manfred

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2011, 11:08:31 PM »
blown aWAY. WIL GET MINE SOON MATE. WILL PM YOU SOON

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2011, 01:51:06 PM »

@twisted.mellow

Thanks for the award ;D I hope it works as expected!


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To answer your question at Youtube: I used a 2Box factory sound. Not sure if it was already in the module or downloaded from 2box.se. But it is definitely from 2Box and the name is the "Swiss SE 14 Hihat". Shouldn't be a problem to get the same sound with the 2Box pad. My board doesn't change anything at the sound. I will answer you PM later.


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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2011, 02:12:48 PM »
thanx mate. after seeing it in the video i am blown away. i cant describe in english waht i really want, but bootomline is if i play push pull or reverse push pull(especially the later) i hate seeing the center of the 2box hihat moving. i fear for it. with cy-5 that wont be an issue so i need this whole thing!!!!cheers

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2011, 04:38:21 PM »
Thanx again, Manfred,

as already mailed, your board is working perfectly. After putting it into a tiny black box from conrad and putting a strong magnet under the hihat pedal surface, it took about 5 minutes to get the hihat calibrated and started by using a Roland CY-8 (I know the CY-5 is your fave, but it wasn't available at the moment)
So IMO with your tool - you can use almost ALL trigger-cymbals as a hihat.

Thanx again,
Andy from Red Bull Country

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Re: Hihat with other brand cymbals
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2011, 01:42:48 PM »
so perhaps i could use a cy-8 rathen than a 5?
 the 5 is 10 inches if i remeber well? the cy-8 hw many inches is it?
compared to the original 2box hi hat, cy-5 is smaller, but cy-8 is it bigger?

any reccomendations? what you guys think i should buy?
and also in the cy-8 package when you buy it, oes it have all the nuts etc you need it to use it as a hi hat?
cy-5 in its package has both nuts for use as a hi hat and as a cymbal. same thing happens for cy-8?
thanx