good hi hat dsnd file

[BURNIN AMBITION]

i am looking for a good dsnd file with many many samples so that i can finally hear the difference from movin my feet a bit up or down the hi hat pedal. anyone knows where i can find one? i know it is dificult to be free, so i could pau for it. i dont wanna pay for a whole package of sounds as the price would be too much i guess. just the hi hat sound i need, and would like to pay for...
any ideas?

[BeatsNBeats]

Hi there,
I'm new to the forum and thought this thread might be the best place to ask a similar question - as it's also about Hats on 2Box.

I understand the process required to use 'own' WAV/AIFF files in layers to drum / normal cymbal sounds within the 2BOX editor program - looks fairly straight forward.

Could anyone answer this question though :

When it gets to making Hi Hat sounds in this manner, where are the 'open' layers supposed to be placed ?
I can see 'zones' in the editor for bow / edge / and foot splash . . do the 'open' layers go in one of these zones ( foot splash? ) at a particular velocity or something ? It's unclear on initial investigation.

If someone could shed some light on this, would be most grateful - I feel I want to make some better hat samples.

by the way - although off subject, the VID below shows that the 2BOX works ell with a HART PRO 13 snare .. just a quick test I recently carried out . . thought you might be interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeEaYVyt2Ew

Thanks

Thanks,
Sean

[Jman]

Hi there,
I'm new to the forum and thought this thread might be the best place to ask a similar question - as it's also about Hats on 2Box.

I understand the process required to use 'own' WAV/AIFF files in layers to drum / normal cymbal sounds within the 2BOX editor program - looks fairly straight forward.

Could anyone answer this question though :

When it gets to making Hi Hat sounds in this manner, where are the 'open' layers supposed to be placed ?
I can see 'zones' in the editor for bow / edge / and foot splash . . do the 'open' layers go in one of these zones ( foot splash? ) at a particular velocity or something ? It's unclear on initial investigation.

If someone could shed some light on this, would be most grateful - I feel I want to make some better hat samples.

by the way - although off subject, the VID below shows that the 2BOX works ell with a HART PRO 13 snare .. just a quick test I recently carried out . . thought you might be interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeEaYVyt2Ew

Thanks

Thanks,
Sean

Hi and welcome to the forum!
Probably the most important tool you will need is Louis' DSoundTool .... Here is a recent thread with his latest version, that works very well:  http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,907.0.html
With that tool you can build HH dsnds with your choice of the amount of open transitions, I have been building my own using the max no of open transitions, 5, That is 5 open transitions for both tip and edge. Plus Tight closed and normal closed for both tip and edge. Also you have the foot splash besides all those other transitions. Beyond that you can use up to 99 layers for each and every one of the above.
I have done quite a few SD2.0 and SD2.0 expansions HH's and there are plenty of transitions to choose from..... Hope it helps, Jerry

[BeatsNBeats]

Hi there Jman,

Thanks very much for your reply.
That seems to make a lot of sense - I'll check out the Dsound tool - thanks.
Perhaps I'll put another post here with results ?
Thanks again - you've probably helped a few people there I reckon ?

Cheers

[Slap the drummer]

i am looking for a good dsnd file with many many samples so that i can finally hear the difference from movin my feet a bit up or down the hi hat pedal. anyone knows where i can find one? i know it is dificult to be free, so i could pau for it. i dont wanna pay for a whole package of sounds as the price would be too much i guess. just the hi hat sound i need, and would like to pay for...
any ideas?

Hi BA - glad to see you got your kit sorted finally.  You must have been climbing the walls waiting
for the new bits to arrive !  (or perhaps youre more patient than I am).

in answer to your question, I think its true to say that you'll have to make your own .dsnd file for a
decent hat.  I don't think anybody is making 3rd party files - which is a big shame.  You'd think it
wd be a good earner.....

And again, for a good source of hihat sounds I think you'll have to go for one of the bigger packages
like the NDK or superior drummer.  I know that's getting in deeper than you probably want, but
its the best way to go.

SD is a whole other ball game, but the NDK is pretty straightforward and more or less 2box ready
if you ask me.

If its of any interest, even tho I get sounds from SD I would still buy NDK all over again just to get
the hihat samples if nothing else.

[stickcharmer]

by the way - although off subject, the VID below shows that the 2BOX works ell with a HART PRO 13 snare .. just a quick test I recently carried out . . thought you might be interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeEaYVyt2Ew

Thanks

Thanks,
Sean

Looking at picking up a Hart snare like the one above. Is it still working well with the module, and if so, are you running the 1.20 update?

[logihack]

what kind of sample did you use for foot splash...i dont have that in superior drummer 

[Jman]

what kind of sample did you use for foot splash...i dont have that in superior drummer 

Open pedal.

[logihack]

thanks...i found that in ny avatar kit but not in evil drums - just closed pedal

[Jman]

thanks...i found that in ny avatar kit but not in evil drums - just closed pedal

I just used Open pedal from other SD2.0 Hi Hats (most similar size and tone I found) for my Hi Hat dsnds built with Evil Drums.

[Manfred]

Hi,

i got a similar question about the used zones in SD. What are you using for halfopen sounds at the bow? I mean there are "Open 1" to "Open 5" for the edge. But what to choose for the bow? For the closed sounds there are "Closed tip" and "Tight tip".

Up to now i used the same sounds for edge and bow at halfopen and open levels. And just for the closed level different sounds Closed Edge/Tip and Tight Edge/Tip.

Regards, Manfred

[Jman]

Hi,

i got a similar question about the used zones in SD. What are you using for halfopen sounds at the bow? I mean there are "Open 1" to "Open 5" for the edge. But what to choose for the bow? For the closed sounds there are "Closed tip" and "Tight tip".

Up to now i used the same sounds for edge and bow at halfopen and open levels. And just for the closed level different sounds Closed Edge/Tip and Tight Edge/Tip.

Regards, Manfred

I have almost every library expansion for SD2.0 (except Music City).  I'd have to look at which ones have different open sounds for bow and edge. Basically if there is only one set of open sounds I use that set for both. If both bow and edge have open sounds I use both.

[Jman]

One thing I have noticed, at least for me, Closed edge sounds tend to be louder than the closed tip. On many of the Hi Hats I've built I have lowered the volume of the closed edge sounds. Some of the Hi Hats I did not do that, and it is noticable, something I still need to address....
Just something you might want to listen to for yourself. It is a good idea to build a dsnd, test it, then make some changes if needed. The Hi hat is the most involved dsnd obviously..... once you get those down it is smooth sailing for the rest. J

[Manfred]

Hi Jman,

okay, so you are doing the same. I have only the SDX Metal Foundry and one EZX called The Classic. There the hats have the following zones:



I also noticed different volumes between bow and edge even though it is the same source file. But this can be corrected with DSoundtool. By the way, some of the factory sounds have different numbers of halfopen levels at bow and edge. So obviously the module is able to handle that. But DSoundtool requires the same number for both zones.

Regards, Manfred

[Jman]

Hi Jman,



I also noticed different volumes between bow and edge even though it is the same source file. But this can be corrected with DSoundtool. Regards, Manfred

Yes, that is what I meant, you might want to correct the volume dif with Dsoundtool between edge and tip sounds .... to me a slight volume increase would seem natural at edge since that is similar to real play, but to me many seem too drastic.... and this may be the way the triggering is sensed, not the volume of the dsnd, but it still can be corrected via Dsoundtool by lowering the appropriate zone/sound.