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real feel cymbals anyone?
« on: October 26, 2018, 11:44:06 AM »
hello after long time.
2box has been awesome all these years. 7 years going strong!!!
but when i want swing fast or play fast in the hats, the plastic cymbals really reduce my speed (and alter my feel). i think it is time i purchased a real feel hi hat and ride (dont care about crashes to be honest)

what optons do i have?
zildjan low volume cymbals will need also a new brain which i dont like.
other options are goedrum new real feel cymbals and jobeky.
is there any other option? that is also compatible with drummit 5?
i know jman makes cymbals but they are not real feel (i mean they dont have the small holes to really reduce noise. i would really like a reduced noise for sure.
so is there goedrum and jobeky my only real options? or is there something else i should consider?
all suggestions are appreciated
thank you

ps. jobeky are way expensive and they are not available to purchase from europe, right? that would skyrocket their cost....

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Re: real feel cymbals anyone?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2018, 11:50:45 AM »
something else. could i just find 2 cheap real feel cymbals (cymbals with holes) (without triggers), and fit in them jman triggers to make hats and ride? would that be easier? anyone can suggest any real feel cymbals (just them no triggers), that are cheap?

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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2018, 11:57:12 AM »
and last but not least, where can i find that rubber round thing that you can put on the edge of real feel cymbals to make them more silent? any ideas? cheers guys

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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2018, 10:01:09 PM »
Burning when you mentioned the Zildjian low volumes with a separate brain. I have them with Jeans triggers and they are plug and play with 2 box drumit 3 and drumit 5  . You use an adapter supplied by Jman. I only use the cymgard on my top hi hat cymbal. The cymbals are already super quiet for metal

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Re: real feel cymbals anyone?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2018, 01:00:34 AM »
Burning when you mentioned the Zildjian low volumes with a separate brain. I have them with Jeans triggers and they are plug and play with 2 box drumit 3 and drumit 5  . You use an adapter supplied by Jman. I only use the cymgard on my top hi hat cymbal. The cymbals are already super quiet for metal
when you say jeans triggers, i suspect it is a typo and you mean jmans triggers. well this was my first thought. my only concern is that they will be shipped from usa to greece. this means i will have to pay a lot of customs taxes (unfortynately the post offices have become real strict with this...) and also the shipping will most probably be a lot. the cost would skyrocket. that is my concern and that is why i am thinking and asking about alternate scenarios.

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2018, 08:28:25 PM »
I think a reasonable solution could be Jobeky’s real feel (that uses standard Roland triggering system) plus a Zourman box to match triggering 2box circuitry. I have this setup on a VH11 and work like charm..

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2018, 08:29:15 PM »
Sorry, forgot to mention similar setup with ride....

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Re: real feel cymbals anyone?
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2018, 11:27:00 PM »
The Jobeky real feel hh will work with the Zourman hh conversion. The pedal is handled by a goedrum hh controller in the Jobeky solution.

The Jobeky real feel 3 zone ride is using dual piezo + switch...and will work to about 82%...right tweaked it could work in the 2box 3 zone mode if just using the bell piezo + switch. The Zourman Ride conversion module is for Roland cy-13R/CY-15R or ATV 18...they are all using a Piezo, switch, switch type of implementation.

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Re: real feel cymbals anyone?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2018, 05:07:27 AM »
something else. could i just find 2 cheap real feel cymbals (cymbals with holes) (without triggers), and fit in them jman triggers to make hats and ride? would that be easier? anyone can suggest any real feel cymbals (just them no triggers), that are cheap?
I probably sell twice or 3 times as many Stealth LV type Cymbal Conversion kits compared to regular acoustic cymbal conversion kits these days. And I build the specialized 2Box style that work great with the 2Box modules. This is an LV348 set converted. And my kits work with any of the low volume cymbals. https://youtu.be/jxRKtLzHkqc
Ali Express sells sets for a decent price: https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/Arborea-Lage-Volume-cimbaal-set-oefenbekken-set/32923648414.html?spm=a2g0z.search0104.3.188.44703176qr0GRH&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0%2Csearchweb201602_2_10065_10068_10130_5731315_318_10890_5730315_10547_319_10546_10548_317_10545_5728815_10696_10084_10083_10618_452_5729215_10307_532_5731115_5731415_5731215_5731615_204_5732015_328_10059_10884_5731515_323_325_10887_100031_320_321_322_10103_5731715-10890%2Csearchweb201603_1%2CppcSwitch_0&algo_pvid=358119a3-ead2-4825-ae4a-17c36bccca29&algo_expid=358119a3-ead2-4825-ae4a-17c36bccca29-30
I could tell you where to stick that piezo! :D ;)
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Re: real feel cymbals anyone?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2018, 10:39:40 AM »
hey guys thank you all for your suggestions and input. i really appreciate it.
Jman, you are my god. you were actually the first one that came to my mind. i cant think of a viable way though, to buy from you. customs have been real strickt in the last year, i will need to pay double of what your triggers actually cost.... ouch... i will pm you later on, but... bloody customs...

so. for starters let me say that i have the diy box a great guy from this forum made (dont remember the name, sorry). so right now i am using a cy-5 as hi hat. so there will be no problem.
i am concerned though about what you say guys, about triggers and piezos. and i am also a bit confused.

concerning the ride.
i was thinking to add a switch on bell, a switch on edge and a piezo on bow. But if i understand correctly, this wouldnt work on 2box brain? i would need the Zourman Ride conversion module? (will have to check how much this costs).
in order to avoid this, i would need to simply add a piezo on bow and switch on edge and i am set? is this the correct way, to be compatible with our brain?

because i am using a  cy5 hi hat, i think hi hat would be easier to do right?  i simply add a switch on edge and piezo on bow and i am set?
thank you for your inputs beforehand, guys.

Jman thank you also for teh cymbals from aliexpress you suggested. they are indeed supercheap. BUUUUT. the shipping costs are as high as the cymbals themselves. plus taxes..... i am sad.

since most of you guys may have used some low volume cymbals, anyone has any opinions on them?
i read that l80 are better than sabian quiet tone. in my mind i am thinking about millenium still cymbals. there is also a chinese brand named chang that might be another good option, but i am towards millenium. unless i decide to go for 2 l80 cymbals. and pay a bit more.

regarding the plastic rim i have seen in some pictures. is cymgard the best option, or there could be others that might do the job? ebay may be a good place for me to check...

and lastly, from your experience, when tightening the ride, butting around a guard etc, it is low volume right?
cheers guys

ps. jman you have a pm
ps2. guys, how big piezo do you use? 12mm 15mm18mm?
thank you

ps3. a more serious question that came to my mind.
right now with the classic mod many of us have, i am using a roland cy-5 as hi hat. a single one.
so, for hi hat should i place the edge trigger on the bottom of the top cymbal or on the top, of the top cymbal. because if i place it in the bottom of the top cymbal, wouldnt that mean that the sound would choke when closing the hi hat with my foot? but if i place it on top, it may break? (would a cymguard protect it? cheers
« Last Edit: October 30, 2018, 01:08:33 PM by BURNIN AMBITION »

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2018, 04:56:50 PM »
I replied to your PM .... J
I could tell you where to stick that piezo! :D ;)
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2018, 08:31:01 PM »
thank you jman and thank all of you guys.

i have a last question. perhaps you can help. as i said before, i have the first edition of the hihat box that makes me use a roland cy-5 as a 2box hi hat.

so, my question is this.
if i am to build a hi hat, that will work the same way as a cy-5, how should i wire it? how does a cy-5 work? obviously it has an edge switch. but how many piezos does it have? only one on the bow? because if it only has one, would that be the same as a 2box hi hat? the bow that i got, wouldnt be needed. or should i place 2 piezos and a switch? and if i have to use 2 piezos, one must be in bow and the other on edge? and how are they connected?? any help? otherwise perhaps i should get rid of my box, get a switch and a piezo to the bow and just use this like the original 2box hi hat? i am a bit confused....

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Re: real feel cymbals anyone?
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2018, 05:43:04 PM »
thank you jman and thank all of you guys.

so, my question is this.
if i am to build a hi hat, that will work the same way as a cy-5, how should i wire it? how does a cy-5 work? obviously it has an edge switch. but how many piezos does it have? only one on the bow? because if it only has one, would that be the same as a 2box hi hat? the bow that i got, wouldnt be needed. or should i place 2 piezos and a switch? and if i have to use 2 piezos, one must be in bow and the other on edge? and how are they connected?? any help? otherwise perhaps i should get rid of my box, get a switch and a piezo to the bow and just use this like the original 2box hi hat? i am a bit confused....

The CY-5 is using one piezo and one switch. It is connected in a easy way...the Piezo is connected between tip and sleeve and the switch is connected between the ring and sleeve.

The piezo is located in the middle of the bow. The switch is on the edge.

The box...is that the current pedal box?

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2018, 06:33:59 PM »
The CY-5 is using one piezo and one switch. It is connected in a easy way...the Piezo is connected between tip and sleeve and the switch is connected between the ring and sleeve.

The piezo is located in the middle of the bow. The switch is on the edge.

The box...is that the current pedal box?

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thank you so much my friend.
the box i mention, is the original hi hat adapter that manfred had made (if i remember the name right). i know that later on jman made one, and zourman also. but i have the first edition. so if i simply place a piezo on bow and a switch on edge (on top of the cymbal and not below, or could the switch work if it is placed under the top hi hat cymbal?), this should work with my current hi hat adapter, correct?
thank you so much. i think ill become soon a diyer

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2018, 07:59:17 PM »
1. Right. No edge switch below the top cymbal, if also using a lower cymbal.
2. You will be fine with your Manfred box and the “new” diy hh.

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