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Started by fishmonkey, April 17, 2010, 09:11:02 AM

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Baby Samus

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Burnin are you having this kick problem using the 2Box on its own or only with using it for Rock Band?  Just want to make sure your problem is with the trigger/head and not because you're trying to play a computer game with it.

We need to make sure you understand how those settings affect the operation and you're not just trying to copy other settings.  Here's my understanding of of how the settings actually apply to the operation of the module, hope it helps you figure it out:

Curve:  Leave the curve setting at normal before changing other settings - this setting should be altered only once you are happy with gain and threshold.
Gain: Should be set so that your hardest strike of the drum only just lights up the top level under the unit/trigger page.  Remember, try to keep the gain at 0 at first and make small adjustments as you go.
Threshold: Should be set high enough so that no double triggering occurs, but low enough to register your softest strike.  A value of 36 roughly is a good place to start.
Trigger Type:  Should be set to Kick 1 or Kick 2.  Kick 1 has a faster response, kick 2 slightly delayed according to the 2Box manual.  I use Kick1.
Curve:  Once you are happy with the triggering, adjust the curve to fine tune.
Cabling:  Make sure the stereo jack has its plastic washer tightened at the input port, and check the stereo cable works on another device.
Rack/Bass drum connection:  Make sure the bass drum is firmly secured to the rack - there should be minimal movement when striking the pad.
Head Tension:  Ideally it should be at least medium tightness, I have mine tuned up medium/tight and the response is great, the slacker the head the less responsive it will become, although it will still trigger of course.

If you still can't get it triggering properly, the sensor or cabling must be faulty.   - I say that only because I have had both the MKI with foam and MKII without foam and both triggered perfectly with different settings, so more than likely, for you its a sensor problem/sensor postioning problem, or a module settings issue.

BURNIN AMBITION

mate i thank yu for the informative post you made. since i first registered here, i have learned all there is to learn about the module. and yes what you say, i already know. and i am not talking about rock band game i am talking about real drumming. tomorrow i will post finally the video i promised. or more easily i will post audio of the beat i play that double triggers to see what i mean. i am convinced there is something wrong. in general i am happy with this thread because i has many informations that can help 2box owners. and this forum rocks. and thanx for all the help
2box, bengt, deve, digital drummer, Jman, Brian, Manfred thanx for everything

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Slap the drummer

Quote from: Baby Samus on May 16, 2011, 10:40:44 PM
We need to make sure you understand how those settings affect the operation and you're not just trying to copy other settings.  Here's my understanding of of how the settings actually apply to the operation of the module, hope it helps you figure it out:
etc etc

With all due respect to Baby Samus, these points have been covered before.  His problem seems to be too serious for things
like threshold settings to really get to the root of the problem.  As I have posted, the sensible thing to do imho is to establish once
and for all whether it is possible that some of the mesh heads are at fault.

Are you running Mk2 at the moment Baby Samus?  If so, I hope you're participating in the "Kick Drum Experiment" as per the
other post  ;)

BURNIN AMBITION

i talked today with 2box in sweden. i mentioned brain problems and of course i will get a new brain. as the problems are serious. about kick pad trigerring they requested some photos and i sent them to them. so i can give you also the link to watch the tape the technicians put in the cables. it makes me laugh
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1C1WC8HA

in a while i will also give you sound example of the double triggerings
2box, bengt, deve, digital drummer, Jman, Brian, Manfred thanx for everything

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ok so here is the wav file

i am talking in the beginning but the quality isnt the best, what i was saying is this

i put max2, kick1 gain 10 thresh -48 type norm
i put max2 so that double trigerring will be hearable very well

then i put threshold in -36 then in -26 and then in minus 18. in minus 18 it happened but not that often but still happened.and with such big thresh it is but for playing with dynamics...

hereit is tell me what you think. i played a steady beat but especially in -48 you can hear only steady noise lol

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F1WRZXAH

ps. if someone needs me to do some better experiments, i can just tell me what you want me to do
2box, bengt, deve, digital drummer, Jman, Brian, Manfred thanx for everything

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Baby Samus

Quote from: Slap the drummer on May 17, 2011, 08:59:37 AM
With all due respect to Baby Samus, these points have been covered before.  His problem seems to be too serious for things
like threshold settings to really get to the root of the problem.  As I have posted, the sensible thing to do imho is to establish once
and for all whether it is possible that some of the mesh heads are at fault.

Are you running Mk2 at the moment Baby Samus?  If so, I hope you're participating in the "Kick Drum Experiment" as per the
other post  ;)

Yeah I did say it was probably a sensor problem toward the end of that post, just wanted to make sure.  I'm running MKII kick at the moment yes, and will do the test later today.  Just got my new 12" birch e-snare today in a lovely 2Box orange wrap to match, so as you can imagine, the kick drum experiment is taking a back seat!

BURNIN AMBITION

wow
please post some pictures!!!!
all these custom drum sets make me jealous. at least i have a third cymbal. that is something!!!
2box, bengt, deve, digital drummer, Jman, Brian, Manfred thanx for everything

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BURNIN AMBITION

good news guys. i talked with sweden headquarters and they will send me a new brain and sensor!!!!
thanx for all the help all of you
2box, bengt, deve, digital drummer, Jman, Brian, Manfred thanx for everything

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edcito

I have a Mk2 kick and had low volume issues as well. In the end all I did was to remove the foam and the kick triggers now perfectly! :rock:

I think the foam is important in the toms and snare to give more stability and protect the o-rims, but since in the kick there are no o-rims or plastic ring, well, no need for the foam there I reckon....

So, to all who have a Mk2 kick and low volume issues, remove the foam completely and you'll notice the difference right away! No need to change settings, I have mine on 9 gain and -36 Threshold. :patbat2box: