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chris k

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New Drum Module From Pearl
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2016, 06:26:07 PM »
Hi,

This look like very interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFLLkJKulQw
http://pearldrum.com/products/kits/electronic-drumsets/mimic-pro-module/
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Mimic-Pro-from-Steven-Slate-m3438396.aspx

24-Bit Steven Slate Drums 5
Multi Channel Samples With Separate Adjustment Of Close, Overhead, and Room Mics
IPS Touch Screen
60GB Solid State Drive
Top Level Burr Brown Converters
16 Inputs
16 Audio Outputs (8 On The Module / 8 From The DB-25 Connector)
Two Completely Separate Mixers For Headphone and Aux Outs - Drummer Gets A Personal Mix With Effects That Does Not Affect Outputs)
All Inputs Have Cymbal Choke Function
Supports Triple and Dual Zone Cymbals and Sual Zone Hi-Hat
Compatible With Most Pads On The Market
SD Card Slot and USB
Imports One Shot Samples From Wave and AIFF

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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2016, 07:01:19 PM »
It came with Steven slate sound, basically with all the editing, you would replicate any sound out there, also they might update the contents with time, honestly having multiple VST  can be overwhelming, look like this units is doing everything.
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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2016, 07:27:03 PM »
It came with Steven slate sound, basically with all the editing, you would replicate any sound out there, also they might update the contents with time, honestly having multiple VST  can be overwhelming, look like this units is doing everything.
Actually, being locked to only Steven Slate drums is the only negative I see so far for me. With the 2Box open sound source system I have world percussion instruments, Roto-toms, Octabons, every brand and style of drum/cymbal imaginable through any VST out there right now. So being locked to only Slate is not an advantage IMO. But, yes, it is good to see electronic drum modules moving in the direction of real samples instead of the low quality synthesized Crap Roland has stuck with all these years. Hopefully the no. of velocity layers is ample on the new Pearl module, but with Slate involved it is possible he considered that and didn't make the same mistake NFUZD made, ATV made or Alesis/Pearl made in the past with the DM10/EPro ..... with so few velocity layers.
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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2016, 07:38:27 PM »
Actually, being locked to only Steven Slate drums is the only negative I see so far for me. I have world percussion instruments, Roto-toms, Octabons, every brand and style of drum/cymbal imaginable through any VST out there right now. So being locked to only Slate is not an advantage IMO. But, yes, it is good to see electronic drum modules moving in the direction of real samples instead of the low quality synthesized Crap Roland has stuck with all these years.

Its depend how you can see this, many Edrum want quality kits ready, not necessary tons of drum kit or importing stuff, they want to play with something already good, recording and gig ready, if you compare to Alesis, Roland, Yamaha, the module sound already better and universal trigger, without spending time of tweaking and importing sound, The touch screen is MAJOR feature, fast\reliable tweaking, if the module is reliable, will probably be on top of every one on the market of these I talked above. I read with the Pearl that you can only imports one shots sample wav\aiff, not a lots but at least you can imports sound can be useful for backing tracks, loop and fx sound.

2box module is widely open, but at the same time, the target are not the same as Roland\Yamaha\Alesis customer, all that have 2box are more passionate and tweaker,  complete different world and now you can see how ATV AD5 failed badly, but this was easy to anticipate..


In future we don't know about new module what would be like Roland\Yamaha etc, but at least we have some new progress which was time seriously, touch screen and SSD is today tech.
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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2016, 08:25:01 PM »
Its depend how you can see this, many Edrum want quality kits ready, not necessary tons of drum kit or importing stuff, they want to play with something already good, recording and gig ready, if you compare to Alesis, Roland, Yamaha, the module sound already better and universal trigger, without spending time of tweaking and importing sound, The touch screen is MAJOR feature, fast\reliable tweaking, if the module is reliable, will probably be on top of every one on the market of these I talked above. I read with the Pearl that you can only imports one shots sample wav\aiff, not a lots but at least you can imports sound can be useful for backing tracks, loop and fx sound.

2box module is widely open, but at the same time, the target are not the same as Roland\Yamaha\Alesis customer, all that have 2box are more passionate and tweaker,  complete different world and now you can see how ATV AD5 failed badly, but this was easy to anticipate..


In future we don't know about new module what would be like Roland\Yamaha etc, but at least we have some new progress which was time seriously, touch screen and SSD is today tech.
The thing is though: There are already 100 kits built with real sampled drums in the 2Box module. Plus another 6GB of drums and sounds freely available for download on the net. So, even though some of us take advantage of the Open sound system, all the talk about how you MUST spend all that time tweaking VST sounds and building kits for the 2Box module is just another untruth spread on the internet. You are already plug n play with a huge amount of good quality real samples, much higher quality than the modules that have been released previous and you are NOT stuck with what the original module is loaded with.

I am not judging the new Pearl Module, just pointing out the current info and Myths concerning 2Box.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2016, 08:29:20 PM by Jman »
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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2016, 08:30:18 PM »
exept the "beeng stucked to one software" thing , this module looks quite like my Drumit 6 wishlist ...

Lots of in/outs , an aux mixer for monitors or serious outboard effects , touchscreen , audio routing should be flexible with 16 outs ...
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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2016, 09:50:06 PM »
Expected release date is 1st Quarter of 2017. So we'll be able to see if anything else new comes out in January 2017 Winter NAMM .... It is good to see more advancements in Edrums lately.
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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2016, 06:43:07 AM »
Now these are great News, no one would do this and taken request of expansion and new sound library, direct communication with them!

From Petter Warren Vdrum forum, Question answered direct from SSD Staff

1. Is there EQ and compression per drum? Is there a reverb as well?

" Better than per drum. It's per mic! You can adjust each mic in each drum separately. For instance, you can take out room from kick and leave it everywhere else."

2. Are there rim sounds on the toms?

"Yes"

3. Approx how many samples per drum articulation?

"Up to 20 velocities AND 6 hits per EACH velocity. So no machine gun. Sounds extremely real and natural."

4. Is the library in the module a reduced or full version of SSD5?
" Full version except SSD5 has two stereo room mics, while in Mimic they are mixed in one stereo room mic."

6. What type of expansions will there be?

"Any kind of expansion. Dedicated to music styles like pop, funk, jazz, indy as well as dedicated to drum series like Pearl Masterworks, etc."

7. Will you be able to import your own multisamples?

This won't happen in near future. We have to keep it organized. There will be expansion packs with multisamples and tons of velocities. We're open to people requests. We can record timbales, etc...
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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2016, 02:53:55 PM »
This does look pretty exciting if for no other reason than to spark competition.

I'll probably pick one up when they become available.

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Mimic by Pearl, interesting!
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2016, 05:55:21 PM »
https://youtu.be/JSDJEMTiptw

Finally.  I just hope you dont have to buy True-Trac pads to get the module.

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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2016, 05:56:36 PM »
Speculation Warning!

I have a feeling this module is a different approach from 2Box or say Mark Drum. With those the sounds are recorded samples converted ... basically a form of multiple WAVs (in format for the particular module). And the module plays them. Whatever features the module has .... like with 2Box it has a Variable function that works like a VST Round Robbin or Random feature to eliminate machine gun. Plus whatever effects, EQ etc. that is in the module.

I think the Pearl Mimic is just a dedicated Module/Computer with Slate 5 loaded. From this posted question and reply:

Is the library in the module a reduced or full version of SSD5?
" Full version except SSD5 has two stereo room mics, while in Mimic they are mixed in one stereo room mic."


I am guessing it is a slightly tweaked version of SSD5. So basically you have a kind of dedicated computer with one VST loaded. So, Slate could make more expansions just like expansions for his VST, but for the module and they will sell Mimic expansions ..... just my thoughts anyway. The obvious advantage is that you can do the type of things that you do on your computer ..... on the fly ...... like change effects, room, ambiance, mics, bleed .... right at the module. The amount of Latency will be very important though. I imagine it will be higher than the typical drum sound module. And you will be locked into Slate SSD5 and limited to whatever is offered. When you start getting into World Percussion, and all the other instruments besides just normal Drums and Cymbals that could prove pretty limiting unless he does enough expansions. But I'm just guessing on all this right now ..... J
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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2016, 01:19:46 AM »
Speculation Warning!

 The amount of Latency will be very important though. I imagine it will be higher than the typical drum sound module. 

Hi Jerry ...

I guess you re right , it looks like a VST player doubled with a TMI ...

A bit like RECEPTOR ...
 
But about the latency , IMO it s possible that it could be lower than you think ...

Here s what they say about receptor :

" Because Receptor is a purpose-built device, Muse Research has been able to optimize it to do one thing — run great sounding VST synths and effects. Receptor doesn't check your email or double as a fax machine. It doesn't edit vacation photos or balance your checkbook. Receptor is a sound and effects module. And, as such, it is fully optimized to perform this function, with built-in 24-bit/96kHz fidelity and measured latency figures as low as 2ms from the time you touch a MIDI keyboard until you hear sound come out of Receptor. To put this in perspective, 2ms is about the amount of time it takes for sound to travel 2/3 of a meter (a little over 2 feet). In other words, there is as much audible latency between a pianist's left and right hands as there is in Receptor. "


So i guess it could be the same with the pearl module...


By the way , a second hand receptor is around 800/1500 euros ... add a cheap but fast trigger to midi interface , and you have the same possibilities plus the use of any drumVST present or future...  ( less compact for sure , ok ..:) ) plus dedicated Vst effects ...

And guess what ...  you can control the receptor via Ipad , so you ll have a bigger touchscreen , and you can have it close to you as the big receptor rack is somewhere else ....

Second hand entry level receptor + TMI + old IPAD ... still lower than 2000 euros ...:) and allready available .
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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2016, 02:50:43 AM »
Hi Jerry ...

I guess you re right , it looks like a VST player doubled with a TMI ...

A bit like RECEPTOR ...
 
But about the latency , IMO it s possible that it could be lower than you think ...

Here s what they say about receptor :

" Because Receptor is a purpose-built device, Muse Research has been able to optimize it to do one thing — run great sounding VST synths and effects. Receptor doesn't check your email or double as a fax machine. It doesn't edit vacation photos or balance your checkbook. Receptor is a sound and effects module. And, as such, it is fully optimized to perform this function, with built-in 24-bit/96kHz fidelity and measured latency figures as low as 2ms from the time you touch a MIDI keyboard until you hear sound come out of Receptor. To put this in perspective, 2ms is about the amount of time it takes for sound to travel 2/3 of a meter (a little over 2 feet). In other words, there is as much audible latency between a pianist's left and right hands as there is in Receptor. "


So i guess it could be the same with the pearl module...


By the way , a second hand receptor is around 800/1500 euros ... add a cheap but fast trigger to midi interface , and you have the same possibilities plus the use of any drumVST present or future...  ( less compact for sure , ok ..:) ) plus dedicated Vst effects ...

And guess what ...  you can control the receptor via Ipad , so you ll have a bigger touchscreen , and you can have it close to you as the big receptor rack is somewhere else ....

Second hand entry level receptor + TMI + old IPAD ... still lower than 2000 euros ...:) and allready available .


For a company it's not about saving I can have this lower right now and play in my house.

The point of the Pearl is the On\ Off module ready to run without the harsh of editing\ configuring and buying separate items, 90% feedback are totally positif I read on most web site, they are competing with Roland\Yamaha and Alesis which now they will take a big punch if they don't release major new things at Winter Namm 17, tech stuff tweak and vst was all there for years and not attractive for many, newbie and usual Edrum buyer on the market, don't explain them how to configure latency, install vst, sound cards, they are not on these world.

Remember sales are first priority for long time surviving, with easy to use, presentation easy approach worth 5x more then depth system with vst installation and configuring stuff, to the usual Newbie\Edrum consumer.
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Re: Pearl Mimic Pro
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2016, 10:10:56 PM »
Speculation Warning!

I think the Pearl Mimic is just a dedicated Module/Computer with Slate 5 loaded. From this posted question and reply:

Is the library in the module a reduced or full version of SSD5?
" Full version except SSD5 has two stereo room mics, while in Mimic they are mixed in one stereo room mic."

I am guessing it is a slightly tweaked version of SSD5. So basically you have a kind of dedicated computer with one VST loaded.

We have our answer from the Lead programmer for the Mimic module.

"That is not a direct port of SSD4 or SSD5 sampler software to the MIMIC platform. The thing is that I'm the author of Steven Slate Trigger1 / Trigger 2 plugins, and SSD4 / SSD5 virtual instruments
So I just know how to write these kind of applications =)  The mimic software is written from ground up as it should be highly optimized for this particular platform. That is not something like VST instrument hosted on some VST host under windows We are going the hard way here =)"


Ps: I think a simple VST hosted with windows application in a module could have bad result, not optimized and possibility crash, freeze, not reliable and others issue can occur or they would to it right away and faster implementation, this is why they are not doing this way, if it was easy, every company would do it before, tablets, windows license and trigger together on the module, you could do it now from your own now.
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