Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums

[Chrisk]

Frankly, for myself, the aD5's wide dynamic range, low latency and actual samples are more important than simply loads of samples.
I used my phones and re-listened to those videos; sounds may not vary much from hit to hit but they do sound pretty nice to my old tinnitus-impaired ears.

Having said that, I don't know if I'm willing to wait for months on end for the thing to arrive... which seems to bring me right back to 2Box! :-)

Keep your 2box

Dynamic range, it's either mid sound sample most of the time, or hard\soft sound one samples, like roller coaster. The toms are all single zone (not dual), the USB midi is not working at all,  until firmware update this can take lots of time, some modules ship with noisy issue outputs have to resend to the store, no editing of sounds.


Funny what is happening, "my product is better then others for all latest EDRUM released on the market" Most EX employees Like, Mike Snyder (ex Roland had to ship his td-30 kit to Roland before he leave the boat) now promoting ATV AD5, Steve fisher Ex Roland now with Yamaha, Jonnhy Rab Ex Roland, now with NFUZD, they are all in competitive and in contradiction with them self for what they have said in the past, they read text already write and said much as good as they can to promote the module\kit, Everything they said it's just copy and paste from papers product campaign.

Open source, not compressed wave, best Triggering, no one have done it, Supernatural, extremely nice dynamic respond , cosm, etc...

Open Architecture and no one have done it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy6KsSX6ir0

Extreme nice word pushing a product
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqSHH-YV5BQ

No Module can import sound and unique feature not available on others drumset?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grh0A_I25cg

TD-30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bKO6KkSrUA

TD-25 without cosm of TD-30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1B1UzET7-4

DTX900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6BYgCBAGTg

etc..

Major problems on Edrum market innovation, Nothing new\ special and still 1000k\8000k range drumkit.., no matter which road they take, they end up at the same boulevard.

[Coda]

Nice summary Chris :-)

Keep your 2box

I don't think he has a 2box yet.

[tmoney]

Avt ad5 arrived today from sweetwater, props to them arrived 2days after i bought it. First off the thing looks cool, built feels solid and the aluminum face is very nice. Plugged it in played it a few times set up with my roland td25k kit (set up was very easy). Its going back tomorrow, sounds completely generic compared to my 2box kit, every hit sounds the same with a higher or lower volume. If i never experienced 2box i might be fine with it, even liked the stock 2box kits better which i wasnt fond of either. I sold my 2box kit because there was  things i didnt like and i have room for a acoustic kit now. Once i had a acoustic kit set up, micing it in my jam room was hard to get it to sound as good as my 2box direct, and my wife might divorce me as the kit was shaking pics in the house. Playing that kit really makes me fully.......appreciate the 2box kit and what can done with it. Has any one had good results with the triggit triggers, thinking of meshing out my acoustic kit with the module. Hope this helps others and be aware its all opinions😀 try before you buy....

[Drumster]

Interesting that Kraft Music has no idea when they might see the aD5 and meanwhile Sweetwater has them in stock.
tmoney: Good to read your assessment of aD5. I wish I could try before I buy but no-one around here carries anything other than Roland & Yamaha. :-(
I'm in Canada, eh?

[Chrisk]

Its going back tomorrow, sounds completely generic compared to my 2box kit, every hit sounds the same with a higher or lower volume.

This what happend when not enough multi sample, any module with lower samples layers as usual module on the market will reduce completely the realism one drum and make repetitive sound\generic...Lower then 4 samples low mid and high samples that it's.

What is worst is, they released to the public with 5 kit, and no USB midi enabled, no one have done this before, they could wait couple of month instead of rush it at Namm show for no reason, if they are afraid of competition, they wont survive long on the market.

[Chrisk]

I'm in Canada, eh?

Sweetwater ship to Canada, but you have to paid the DUTY\shipping as well of the USD price, honestly, not worthed at this price about 1650\1700 CND for 5 kit, USB midi not working and usual module market in term of sample layer, no sequencer, no editing, etc.  it's very very expensive for what it bring

2box is less expensive and way much better not on the same league, apple and candy, you can imports your own sound, editing, sharing, without waiting of anyone or  sound you get that you will never use most of the time.
Canadians store.. about 1320 with the tax
http://www.axemusic.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=2box

[Drumster]

I'm waiting to hear back from RMC in Texas; I've had good deals from them some years ago. I get stuff shipped to Blaine Wa where I have a mail box. Then I pick it up & take thru customs myself. Much less costly that way but with the Cdn $ at .72 cents it's not gonna' be cheap.

[puttenvr]

Most EX employees Like, Mike Snyder (ex Roland had to ship his td-30 kit to Roland before he leave the boat) now promoting ATV AD5, Steve fisher Ex Roland now with Yamaha, Jonnhy Rab Ex Roland, now with NFUZD, they are all in competitive and in contradiction with them self for what they have said in the past, they read text already write and said much as good as they can to promote the module\kit, Everything they said it's just copy and paste from papers product campaign.

They speak the words which they are paid for
But when I said this on Facebook one of the guys jumped in and denied everything

Anyhow: I have never seen such a bad product introduction as this ATV with louzy videos and an unfinished module. THIS IS 2016, right?

[Murgen]

They speak the words which they are paid for
But when I said this on Facebook one of the guys jumped in and denied everything

Anyhow: I have never seen such a bad product introduction as this ATV with louzy videos and an unfinished module. THIS IS 2016, right?

NFUZD did the same lousy thing in 2015. Amateurs.

[Jman]

Has any one had good results with the triggit triggers, thinking of meshing out my acoustic kit with the module. Hope this helps others and be aware its all opinions😀 try before you buy....

There are a few on the forum that have been using the Triggit triggers. Evidently they have made a slight change to the way the wire was connected to the brass of the piezo and with that little change they are good now. See this thread: http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,2762.msg24162.html#new
Converting an acoustic kit with mesh heads is a great way to go IMO. You have options for external or internal triggering. J

[Drumster]

Nice summary Chris :-)

I don't think he has a 2box yet.

This is true - I don’t have any module or even a drum kit at the moment. I have bunch of very nice cymbals (which I’ll never sell), odds and ends of pedals, cables, a few stands and my old Sound Seat; but no drums and no sound module.

I’m really learning a lot here and appreciate the comments from members. I almost fell for the aD5 propaganda and had not been aware of the bigger picture (thanks chris k and puttenvr). I wonder, why the mass exodus from Roland?

Anyway, I’ve eliminated the aD5 from my short list and therefore, as mentioned above, am back to the 2Box module. I still need to decide on the rest of the kit without the benefit of actually playing them. For a number of reasons, not the least of which is cost (+/- $2500 USD) and the fact that I’d also have to replace the “rubber” heads, am not sold on the 2Box kit.

Also, thanks to you guys, I’ve read about the up-coming 2Box D3. Frankly, I think I’d be better off to wait for it and use something else in the meanwhile.

I’m going to buy something and still really like the KAT KT4 kit with its 11” rubber pads and extra cymbal and I do actually like the sounds even though the sampling rate/depth/whatever may be quite limited. http://www.kraftmusic.com/kat-percussion-kt4-digital-drum-set-bonus-pak.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj1t5vweI4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3R-UOMPg6Y Btw, that kid is 16 and has been playing drums only four years; just wait’ll he gets good! He answered my question about the KT4 snare.

However, just like I said in my intro post, I don’t know how compatible the KAT stuff will be with 2Box.
If I KNEW for certain that the KAT gear would work or could easily be made to work with 2Box it would be a done deal. So if any of you know or have read about this elsewhere, please chime in.

According to edcito’s experience they’re totally incompatible; but he made no adjustments and didn’t tinker with anything so I’m not quite convinced. I know the KAT pads are two separate switched zones; so hitting a normal rim shot; rim + head, will not not trigger two separate sounds. I’d get one or the other but not both… I could just assign a rim shot sound to the rim I guess; that would probably be OK. Have no idea about the KAT cymbal compatibility with 2Box either but imagine (hope) JMan could help in the hi-hat dept and I think e-cymbals are pretty similar from brand to brand.. The KT4 kit is $1700. USD.

So there’s a few maybes as far as the KAT kit working well with the 2Box module when it becomes available… but I still like it and could possibly even settle for it as-is with no 2Box added later.

The other option I’m looking at is the “Go edrum” kit from Taiwan. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Goedrum-Re6-Electronic-Drum-Set-Electric-Drum-Kit-Digital-Drum-Mesh-edrums-/321926461875?hash=item4af44ff9b3:g:pWAAAOSwxN5WT72c

All 10” mesh head pads with standard triple flange hoops+rubber protectors, snare is three zone. Could buy or build a 12” snare if need be. I don’t think their sounds are anywhere close to the KAT’s but I do think the kit would be more compatible with 2Box module.

So I could put up with what are probably crap sounds for a few months and still have some fun while waiting for 2Box3 and save a lot of money compared to the other options. Would still need JMan’s help with the hi-hat I reckon. The Go edrum kit would cost me $1100. USD which would save me $600. towards the future 2Box3.

Thanks for “listening”!
Cheers.

[puttenvr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcMP56K2VvY

it sounds good but limited

[digitalDrummer]

We have analysed the samples using MIDI sequences and it looks like the aD5 has four (or in one snare) five samples per instrument. However, with those, it has more dynamic range than NFUZD, with eight samples.

[edtc]

Thanks for “listening”!
Cheers.

hi

have you seen this ...?   369â,¬



http://www.thomann.de/fr/millenium_transformer_ea_drum_pack.htm
really cheap mesh kit ... IMO better than the goedrum one ... add to this a second hand Drumit 5 and a Jman s box , you re still around  1000 euros ... Ok , you ll need some cymbals ... but second hand 2 zones arent expensive ...

[Drumster]

No, I hadn't seen that but it looks interesting.

I took delivery of my Go Edrum kit a few days ago. As expected, I'll definitely need to upgrade the module and with these sounds I won't be waiting very long!

For the most part I like the kit components; the rack is simple and secure; very similar to Roland's early efforts, the cymbals work well but are kind of loud acoustically and the 10" pads with 2-ply mesh heads are better than expected.

I still haven't been able to get the hi-hat to work correctly... not sure, this may just be a matter of fine tuning. There is some cross talk (snare/cymbal), presumably due to snare being secured solidly to rack so I may try a separate stand. The kick pads (I bought a 2nd one) are good although a bit bouncy compared to my expectations. Before I "retired" a number of years ago I began triggering my main snare sound with left foot set to match snare pad - this due to a left hand medical issue. For the left foot snare I like the extra rebound. The whole kit is nice and compact; great for the condo.

The module - and I say this as someone who's not at all up to speed in the e-drum world - seems to be fairly primitive and the sounds are definitely uni-sampled as far as I can tell.... it's machine gun city all the way! I've only experimented a little so far but sensitivity seems a bit weak - particularly with snare. Also, aside from the deliberately techno bell & whistle-type sounds, real drum and real cymbal samples are used.

Instructions for the kit are fairly basic and that could partly explain why the module seems primitive to me; there's just not enough data provided for me to understand it well. Fortunately, the ebay vendor in Taiwan has been very helpful and his English is quite good; much better in fact than that of many Asians I know locally. Shipping was super fast and vendor helped considerably with invoicing and by neatly packing everything in a single box.

Excellent value and overall I'm very happy with the purchase.

Although sooner than anticipated, I'll still be upgrading to a 2Box module, L80 Zildjians and Jman conversion goodies.

hi

have you seen this ...?   369â,¬



http://www.thomann.de/fr/millenium_transformer_ea_drum_pack.htm
really cheap mesh kit ... IMO better than the goedrum one ... add to this a second hand Drumit 5 and a Jman s box , you re still around  1000 euros ... Ok , you ll need some cymbals ... but second hand 2 zones arent expensive ...