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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2016, 02:50:58 AM »
is the guy drunk ?  :o
No, that's just Mike.
I could tell you where to stick that piezo! :D ;)
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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2016, 11:28:19 AM »
I can't judge the sound quality and dynamics on this video
On vdrums.com they can
But
- what a bla bla talk movie
- where is the hihat playing?
- three zone ride?
- brushes playing?
- rim click and rim shot?

Well, we wait and see

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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2016, 05:20:26 PM »
From the specs it looks like the Toms are single zone, because the list indicates the inputs/instruments with 2 or 3 zones. Kick, Toms and the HH controller no. If that is the case it seems like you would not have the option of splitting the toms like on the 2Box module to create more inputs. And with only 2 outputs that would also be quite a limitation. I'll try to get as many specifics at NAMM as they care to share.
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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2016, 05:44:31 PM »
Well there's a DB25 on the back and a couple of aux trigger inputs, exactly the same setup as the TD-9 I had, and that had dual-zone toms, but being piezo-switch you couldn't split them anyway.

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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2016, 07:44:04 PM »
Well there's a DB25 on the back and a couple of aux trigger inputs, exactly the same setup as the TD-9 I had, and that had dual-zone toms, but being piezo-switch you couldn't split them anyway.
Actually the TD-9 like most of the newer Roland modules since the TD-20, the tom inputs and aux inputs will take Piezo/Piezo pads. The rim zone is not independent though like the 2Box module. For Roland modules the Rim zone is tied to the head zone, if the head piezo receives no vibration when the rim is struck you would get nothing. That is why splitting the input and putting the pads separated from one another won't work. But the special splitter works reasonably well which uses a resistor between tip and ring allowing the rim pad to be separated from the head pad. http://www.vdrums.com/forum/advanced/diy/22185-splitter-for-dual-piezo-inputs-aka-spd-30-td-9-11-12-15-20-30-aux-tom-splitter

Roland rendered the special splitter useless on the new TD-25 by eliminating the choice of setting any sound for the rim zone of your pads. Now in their infinite wisdom Roland has decided to decide for you, by giving you no choice in the matter. So if you would rather have a cowbell or tambourine or splash, etc. etc. instead of a rim click on your tom rim ...... sorry, Roland does not allow that.
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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2016, 07:56:39 PM »
I mean, pre-release video demos are usually pretty vague about actual statistics .... but the whole thing about playing the sounds with no noticeable latency is what we have been doing with the 2Box since it was released! I would have to guess Mike has never played the 2Box. What I am more interested in is the real stats, like how many velocity layers can be used per instrument, how much memory is there, are those 2 individual outs the limit for output? Are the tom inputs mono or splittable TRS? ...... ya know, the real nuts and bolts about what this module really is. If it is another system similar to what NFUZD released with a limit of 8 velocity layers per instrument ..... well, it won't even come close to what we have in the 2Box.
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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2016, 08:13:04 PM »
But even the Roland's don't have any speakable latency, so I guess he hasn't played them either. Which is strange as I get the idea he was a v-drums sponsor or something.

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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2016, 08:45:46 PM »

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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2016, 12:48:22 AM »
But even the Roland's don't have any speakable latency, so I guess he hasn't played them either. Which is strange as I get the idea he was a v-drums sponsor or something.
Mike has been playing Roland for years. He was one of their key demonstrators and just recently returned his TD-30 kit after ending his relationship with Roland.
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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2016, 01:38:02 PM »
Mike has been playing Roland for years. He was one of their key demonstrators and just recently returned his TD-30 kit after ending his relationship with Roland.
Surely he didn't end the relationship cos his TD-30 was laggy? :D

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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2016, 07:02:31 PM »
WTF does "“Pure Audio” output quality" mean? I see a whole page of text that says nothing.
Then a page that says lists some interesting items (interesting for different reasons):
SNARE (3 Zones) [really?]
TOM 1-3 .... [no zones?]
HI-HAT (2 Zones) [hmm ok]
CRASH (2 Zones) [nope]
OUTPUT L/R: Mono phone x 2 [not in 2016 thank you]
ATV LINK: RJ45 LAN connector [looks like it will be necessary for more inputs, so buy another #1300 euro module]

Still I guess I'm nit picking. The important things will be trigger response time, what quality samples it takes, how many layers, whether these can be user created/loaded with a simple operation, and whether it can use bog-standard off-the-shelf SDCards.

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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2016, 09:01:39 PM »
Surely he didn't end the relationship cos his TD-30 was laggy? :D

Maybe Mike is affiliated with Roland indirectly as ATV(Atelier Vision Corporation) was established by Roland in 2005: http://www.roland.com/company/history
http://www.audiotechnology.com.au/wp/index.php/rolands-founder-returns/   

I guess the aD5 is being released with an ATV logo to market test their 'next-gen' module (with future options via ATV Link).
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Re: Roland owner launches competitor for Vdrums
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2016, 07:24:48 PM »
I still haven't understood whether ATV also produces their own pads to go with this module, or what set is Mike playing in those videos?