Snare cross-stick using Roland BT-1

[AndyMo]

Hi,

I’ve not had much success using a rim for triggering both cross-stick and rim shots on elec kits. I’ve had more success using rims for either a cross-stick or rim shot, but not both. So I have a couple of questions:

• I wondered if anyone has tried the new Roland BT-1 trigger with a 2box setup? I’m keen to try one to use for effects (as an additional pad) and, in particular, for cross-stick triggering (leaving the rim for rim shots).


• Any suggestions on whether or not it is possible to successfully set up a snare rim trigger so it can be used for both cross-stick and rim shot (based on velocity?) on a 2box kit?

Thanks!
Andy

[Jman]

Hi,

I’ve not had much success using a rim for triggering both cross-stick and rim shots on elec kits. I’ve had more success using rims for either a cross-stick or rim shot, but not both. So I have a couple of questions:

• I wondered if anyone has tried the new Roland BT-1 trigger with a 2box setup? I’m keen to try one to use for effects (as an additional pad) and, in particular, for cross-stick triggering (leaving the rim for rim shots).


• Any suggestions on whether or not it is possible to successfully set up a snare rim trigger so it can be used for both cross-stick and rim shot (based on velocity?) on a 2box kit?

Thanks!
Andy

On the BT-1 Greg is using that in his recent demo vids: Check this thread:  http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php?topic=1898.0

On snare rim dsnds for both Cross-stick and rim shot: That is possible. It requires building a new dsnd. I have built a few from VSTs .... what you do is use all cross-stick WAVs for velocities except the highest 2 or 3 velocity layers .... for those highest layers you use the rim shot WAVs. You can actually do this with a 2Box stock dsnd by using Dsoundtool to split the .dsnd file and rebuilding it ..... since I have a little time this morning ... I might build one for you to try out.
Still, if you are familiar with Roland modules this is exactly what is happening with their snare rims ... it is a Velocity triggered change, lower velocities Xstick, higher velocities Rim shot. So it isn't perfect. I prefer to assign a Xstick sound to a different pad myself for songs where I need it .... that way there are no surprises. J

[AndyMo]

Hi Jman,

Thanks for confirming. I've experienced the same issue on my Roland kit. It sort of works but does throw up some surprises - particularly when a rim shot rings out instead of a cross-stick.

I think I might invest in a BT-1 (or try one of my old Roland pads) and assign them separately as you suggest.

I watched Greg's video - and that is exactly the application I was thinking! Good to see if in action!

Thanks again for your time.

Andy

[Jman]

Hi Jman,

Thanks for confirming. I've experienced the same issue on my Roland kit. It sort of works but does throw up some surprises - particularly when a rim shot rings out instead of a cross-stick.

I think I might invest in a BT-1 (or try one of my old Roland pads) and assign them separately as you suggest.

I watched Greg's video - and that is exactly the application I was thinking! Good to see if in action!

Thanks again for your time.

Andy

Actually there is one combination Cross stick Rim shot dsnd already in the 2Box module. It is in the Cross stick folder and called Cross shot 1. You can test that out on the rim of one of your snares. Like I say I have built several snares like that with Velocity switching sounds, and it can be done so they are pretty accurate just like the Roland style play .... but definitely a separate pad (or BT-1)  with cross stick sound only assigned to it would be better.... J

[AndyMo]

Thanks Jman. I'll experiment with one of the built in setups and see how I get on.

Thanks!
Andy

[Dänoh]

• Any suggestions on whether or not it is possible to successfully set up a snare rim trigger so it can be used for both cross-stick and rim shot (based on velocity?) on a 2box kit?

I just want to jump in:
I would go about this by simply using a BT-1 for a cross-stick!
I could imagine this approach leaves the snare-rim for all rim-shots (through all velocities, low to high) leaving the cross-stick on its own.

Vice-versa, if you are playing BT-1's cross-stick sound, the rim-shot won't get in the way with high-velocity rim-shots.

I reckon, you should not get any interference with each, you may just have to fumble around with the Drumit's crosstalk settings.


HTH

[digitalDrummer]

Impressed as I am with the BT-1, I think it's overkill for 2box as much of the cost must be a factor of the crosstalk cancelling functionality that only works with the new Roland modules. You could get the same results from a $20 Crappy Triggers beatbar (and tell him I sent you!). Just make sure it is well isolated from the drum on which you mount it.

[Dänoh]

Impresses as I am with the BT-1, I think it's overkill for 2box as much of the cost must be a factor of the crosstalk cancelling functionality that only works with the new Roland modules.

Good point, Allan! - ...haven't really thought of this!
And Yes!, the Beatbar looks like the best consideration for this, closely resembling a BT-1.


Just for the sake of competeness, I like to point AndyMo to the two 'head-to-head' articles previously published in 'Digital Drummer' magazine:

May 2011-issue, page 13 (...2box on the cover!  )
http://issuu.com/digitaldrummer/docs/digitaldrummer_may2011issuu

May 2013-issue, page 42 (Aux-Triggers, part 2)
http://issuu.com/digitaldrummer/docs/digitaldrummer_may2103



Also check the April 2010-issue, page 16, for info on the Crappy-Trigger!
http://issuu.com/digitaldrummer/docs/digtaldrummer_april2010


HTH

[AndyMo]

Dänoh and Allan,

Thank you very much for the advice, recommendations and links. This is incredibly useful!

Cheers,
Andy

[AndyMo]

BTW, something I forgot to mention (and not sure if it makes much difference), I use Jobeky drums. I'm hoping to fix the trigger to the snare if possible - similar to how Greg has his setup. Slightly concerned about crosstalk, etc., having read the reviews.

Thanks,
Andy

[Dänoh]

I don't see why they would make much of a difference... They have just the regular 'center-cones', don't they?

[roel]

How can we connect the Roland BT-1 to the 2box 12 inch snare pad?
Iam maby interested in 1 Roland BT-1.

[Dänoh]

Roel,
you might want to follow the words of advice by Allan (DigitalDrummer):

http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php?topic=1913.msg17087#msg17087


HTH

[roel]

Roel,
you might want to follow the words of advice by Allan (DigitalDrummer):

http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php?topic=1913.msg17087#msg17087


HTH

ok thanx man.

[Jovato]

Might I suggest the Dauz Bone.  I used to use one on an old Ddrum 4SE kit and it worked fantastic.  I'm not sure it will fit on a 2Box pad, but it will fit anything with a traditional rim.
http://secure.pacificforce.net/dauz/index.php?id_product=5&controller=product