FXpansion Zildjian Digital Vault pack...

[Jman]

Hi guys a noob here  lol. So on this about the cymbal packs how do I get the pack and put it into my 2box module?

Cheers Jason.

There are different Digital Vault packs offered and different delivery methods, packaged or digital download. Here is one of the small pkgs:  http://www.amazon.com/Gen16-Digital-Vault-Z-Pack-Cymbals/dp/B00439GVLQ
Another larger pack: http://audiodeluxe.com/products/fxpansion-bfd-zildjian-digital-vault-pack
I suggest looking at SDSE for building the sounds from the Digital Vault cymbal pack for the 2Box module:
http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,1544.0.html

[zorg]

Cool cheers for that, can I ask what is BFD and do i need it for this? I have SDSE and Reaper but never heard of BFD 1 2 or 3??

Cheers Jason.

[fishmonkey]

Cool cheers for that, can I ask what is BFD and do i need it for this? I have SDSE and Reaper but never heard of BFD 1 2 or 3??

Cheers Jason.

BFD is one of the best software drum samplers for acoustic drum sounds:

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=30&tab=99

BFD Eco is the cut-down version, and BFD3 is the current full-blown version.

The expansions, such as the Zildjian cymbal packs, are add-on packs of drum samples that load into the software.

when you buy BFD Eco or BFD3  you get standalone and plugin versions. when using SDSE to build DSNDs for the 2Box module, you load the plugin version inside Reaper as the DAW host.

in a nutshell, SDSE controls Reaper, triggering the drum sounds using the BFD plugin, recording the subsequent audio output from the plugin, and processing it with DSoundTool to create files that the 2Box module understands.

alternatives to BFD include Superior Drummer, Addictive Drums, etc.

[Jman]

Also, if you want to get started on the Digital Vault cheaply, that first (Amazon) link includes BFD Eco along with the Digital Vault. As fishmonkey said, Eco is the trimmed down BFD version, but before you dump a bunch of dough into it, that might be a good place to dip your toes. Also, if you haven't looked at Sennheiser DrumMic'a ..... that is a free download of a drum kit that is pretty decent quality to get you started building some free dsnds. http://de-de.sennheiser.com/drummica If you don't speak German, just use your browser translator to look it over.

[zorg]

Coolies will look into it. Yeah iv'e just been using Ezdrummer 2 and have gotten all of the kits i wanted from there onto my 2box, and was just looking for some better cymbals without spending too much money and time...

[InTheBox]

My humble opinion is to forget about Eco.

I bought it thinking it was a relatively cheap introduction to BFD, and I guess it is.. but when you realize the potential of making your own dnsds you'll be wanting to upgrade soon (as I do now).

As far as I understand Eco doesn't read all layers in a sample, and you can't make dsnds with the same layer-depth as with BFD3, and  some of the sounds that come with Eco are actually not all that good.

[Jman]

My humble opinion is to forget about Eco.

I bought it thinking it was a relatively cheap introduction to BFD, and I guess it is.. but when you realize the potential of making your own dnsds you'll be wanting to upgrade soon (as I do now).

As far as I understand Eco doesn't read all layers in a sample, and you can't make dsnds with the same layer-depth as with BFD3, and  some of the sounds that come with Eco are actually not all that good.

I agree, if you are serious about building your own dsnds BFD3 is a great way to go IMO. And BFD3 comes with a whole lot of excellent drum samples, the number of velocity layers is great, the cymbals were done with 3 zones, etc. etc. There are already a lot of great cymbals in BFD3, so if the OP wants to spend the money he would probably find all the cymbals he needs already in BFD3.

The only reason I recommended the $49 Digital Vault deal is that BFD Eco is included free .... so it is a way to at least get a cheap start. And the good thing is that the Digital Vault will plug right into BFD3, and if he decides to upgrade to BFD3 and take advantage of the full depth of the program, he will already have the Digital Vault expansion.  J

[InTheBox]

I agree, if you are serious about building your own dsnds BFD3 is a great way to go IMO. And BFD3 comes with a whole lot of excellent drum samples, the number of velocity layers is great, the cymbals were done with 3 zones, etc. etc. There are already a lot of great cymbals in BFD3, so if the OP wants to spend the money he would probably find all the cymbals he needs already in BFD3.

The only reason I recommended the $49 Digital Vault deal is that BFD Eco is included free .... so it is a way to at least get a cheap start. And the good thing is that the Digital Vault will plug right into BFD3, and if he decides to upgrade to BFD3 and take advantage of the full depth of the program, he will already have the Digital Vault expansion.  J

I see your point. Am I right, though, that Eco doesn't read the samples as well as 3? I might be interested in checking out the vault package myself.

[InTheBox]

Ah.. it's a physical product.. not a download.. and no shipping outside USA..

Not much luck for us euro-guys...

By the way, is there a place that lists the instruments which come with BFD3? I searched for it but couldn't find much info.

[Jman]

I see your point. Am I right, though, that Eco doesn't read the samples as well as 3?

Yes, I think Lustar mentioned to me once that BFD Eco is limited to 24 velocity hits. And BFD3 is much higher than that.

[Jman]

Ah.. it's a physical product.. not a download.. and no shipping outside USA..

Not much luck for us euro-guys...

This one ships to Europe:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zildjian-Gen-16-Digital-Vault-Z-Pack-Acoustic-Cymbal-Samples-Gen16-NEW-/121453773918?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4735845e#shpCntId
I believe that is the same pack that includes BFD Eco. But you might want to contact the seller to be sure.

[InTheBox]

Yikes.. you're fast Jman

I edited my post, but you had already answered it twice, so I'll repeat the question. I was just wondering if the instrument contents in BFD3 was listed somewhere.

[Jman]

Yikes.. you're fast Jman

I edited my post, but you had already answered it twice, so I'll repeat the question. I was just wondering if the instrument contents in BFD3 was listed somewhere.

Haven't seen one on line. But there are 5 full "sticks" kits including hats, cymbals. Plus a full brush kit and a mallet kit. A huge amount of excellent instruments. http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=205&tab=495

[Coda]

This one ships to Europe:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zildjian-Gen-16-Digital-Vault-Z-Pack-Acoustic-Cymbal-Samples-Gen16-NEW-/121453773918?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4735845e#shpCntId
I believe that is the same pack that includes BFD Eco. But you might want to contact the seller to be sure.

It's the same seller on Ebay as the Amazon link you posted up the thread (be-on-ke). The difference is probably the shipping policy of Amazon regarding digital products.

Anyway, more on topic, I'm thinking about the Gen16 pack, but there seems to be different versions of the same VST on sale, and I'm not sure if these $39-49 packs are the same as the one FXpansion is selling for 95UKP.

Also - I really don't want to spend so much money on BFD (full version) just to export the Gen16 cymbal sounds when I'm not interested in building 100's of kits. I'm looking for a specific sound, I'm not willing to pay $1000's to get a million kits when I need 3 or 5 at the most for live playing. I guess I need to start a new thread.