Yamaha TCS Pads Piezo Switch - Yes or No

[csnow]

I would like to know if the 2box module will work with piezo/switch type pads like the new Yamaha silicon pads or the Pearl True-trac heads.  I would like to sell my DTX900 module and get the 2box but I am unsure if the pads will work.  I searched but couldnt find anything and vdrums.com forum advised I would be best to post over here.


Thanks....

Chris

[digitalDrummer]

Hi Chris,
Not sure as I have not tested either Yamaha or Tru-trac with 2box. However, to broaden the scope, if Alesis pads work, then the Pearl pads will. Maybe someone has had experience with those?

[edtc]

   piezo/switch  type pads like Yamaha or Roland will work with the module but :

- Snare and Toms  just the head zone ... (the design is piezo/piezo )

- Cymbals inputs are fully compatible , even choke and edge zone   If you want you can create custom 2 zone cymbal dsounds with tom or snare or anything  and use your piezo pad as a 2 zone with a total crosstalk separation ( using CYCUP mode )....   

Those pads work also with  the hihat input

[SHwoKing]

I remember reading something about it from Bengt :

"Subject: RE: 2box brains with competitors pads?

I have tested the new Yamaha pads with the brain – doesn't works so well. The rubber pads are OK.
In the new 1.20 there is some new extra cymbal types so one can actually trigger a 2 zone cymbal pad pretty OK from Roland and Yamaha. Roland pads works pretty OK.
Acoustic drum triggers works just fine - ddrum triggers works the best but Roland works too.

Bengt
2Box"

Maybe I can bring my module to a local shop where they have a 12" TCS snare to try out too. They will let me try it for sure.

[csnow]

I didnt think the TCS pads would work very well.  If you could take the module to a store and test it that would be great.  I am leaning more toward the Pearl heads and just selling off my Yamaha gear minus the crash cymbals since they seem to work great with the 2box.  I dont want to DIY or get the 2box heads because I hate mesh.  That is the reason I left Roland and went with Yamaha.  I am not going down the trampoline/hot spot road again.

Thanks for all the help guys....

Chris

[Jman]

I didnt think the TCS pads would work very well.  If you could take the module to a store and test it that would be great.  I am leaning more toward the Pearl heads and just selling off my Yamaha gear minus the crash cymbals since they seem to work great with the 2box.  I dont want to DIY or get the 2box heads because I hate mesh.  That is the reason I left Roland and went with Yamaha.  I am not going down the trampoline/hot spot road again.

Thanks for all the help guys....

Chris

Hi Chris, Something like this might be an option... the 2Box pads are not center piezo pads by the way, so they don't have a hot spot problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgnAGuXj7AE&feature=youtu.be
I think the answer would be very simple on the toms, as edtc mentioned the TruTrac heads could easily be used for single zone ... I and many others here like to split the tom inputs anyway. And that can be done with a simple splitter. With the Tom inputs split it gives you plenty of options for extra splashes, chinas, toms, or whatever. I much prefer that to having rim clicks, never even used the rim clicks on the TD-20. Since you have been using VST's quite a bit, obviously the toms don't have rim sounds except on a few packs, so you are probably used to that already.
That just leaves the snare. You could go with something like that 2Box solution in the top video, or using one of the Tru Trac heads for the snare, I think it would be easy for one of us DIY inclined members to build you a dual zone 2Box compatible snare. Simply using the Tru Trac head on an inexpensive wood snare, adding rim piezo sensor/sensors to the drum shell, using the tip zone from the Tru Track for head sounds and the Ring zone using the new rim piezos instead of the Switch of the Tru Track. Just some ideas,  ..... welcome to the forum by the way J

[Jman]

And then there is this .... if it really does get released this year .... they've been bringing this to NAMM for the last couple years, but yet to see anything in stores:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lTmVp8nWrM

[SHwoKing]

I will brought my module at the store tomorrow and will try it out along with the 12" TCS snare pad they have on display.

I have owned a DTX900K just before the 2box, so hopefully i know how it works and that there's a knob under for the gain.   

[Jman]

Just to add to my previous posts. Again, with the Tru-Trac head for snare ..... using a splitter you could use the Head of the Tru-Trac .... and spend another $20 to add something like this for the Rim:
http://www.crappytriggers.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1&zenid=cee2d13e97d78b53e0f9fcc2680835ca

just flashing on options on Rim triggers I've seen before as the memory comes back ..... what was I talking about? ..... dang it sucks getting old

[SHwoKing]

Ok so i've brought the module to a local music shop where there's some Yamaha kit on display.

There's only mid range kit there so i couldn't test the module with anything except a 12" TCS snare pad.

So after 10 minutes of testing the resuklt is not so good. Rims trigger head sound as expected and dynamic range was far from being flawless even by tweaking the response quiet a lot.
Definitely better to avoid using this kind of pad for the 2Box.

Sad cause they are really great pads. Great feel, no hot spot, durable and great dynamic on a DTX900 module.