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DrumIt 3 and DrumIt 5 Software - PC / Mac / Re: DSoundTool 0.37
« on: February 18, 2010, 11:10:09 AM »
If you ask money for the software you have also the responsibility when something goes wrong
after installation or use of the software.
(think of crashes with loss of data)
without insurance this may lead to very high fees when it comes to liable.

Okay, um, I'm not going to get into how completely out of line it is for someone to threaten somebody else over an internet forum with ZOMG DIRE CONSEQUENCES as a reward for his hard work making a tool available for the good of the community, because I will then be placed on moderation for life due to the stream of creative yet most profane invective that would spew forth from my fingers like an unstoppable freight train.

More to the point,, is that you're not even right.

I have a program running on my computer right now that is vital to me; without it, the computer would be completely unusable. I used it to read this forum and I'm using it right now to respond to messages. It costs $1200. Here is a sample from the license agreement for this program.

The program provided to the Licensee is being provided "as is" without warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, including, but not limited to the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose. The entire risk as to the quality and performance of the program is with the Licensee. Freedom Scientific does not warrant that the functions contained in the program will meet the Licensee's requirements or that the operation of the program will be uninterrupted or error free.

In no event will Freedom Scientific be liable to the Licensee for any damages, including any lost profits, loss of savings or any other incidental or consequential damages as may arise out of the use or inability to use the program, even if Freedom Scientific personnel or agents have been advised of the possibility of such damages.

I could go on, but there's no point. In short: you are an asshole, and you are also wrong. Kindly don't speak again. Ever.

1. Sample editor. Without something that will allow you to easily drag and drop full kit setups from VSTs into the unit, this product has no use to me.

2. Metronome. Frankly, I'm disgusted that I even have to write this. All EKits should have a metronome. They're really very simple and quick to program, this should have been done for the 1.0 release and the lack of it currently is a large factor in my waning interest in the product.
3. The ability to adjust the balance of distant VS. close mic volumes for each drum would be invaluable to me as in my experience no other single factor makes more of a dramatic difference to the sound of a drum. This is far more practical than adding artificial reverb.

3.5? I'd really like some form of digital out that can output 24/96 multitrack audio, such as ADAT Litepipe. I recognize that this will likely not happen and certainly won't without necessitating everyone to buy new modules, but I for one would really appreciate it... you know, sometime. I can use MIDI in a pinch but that won't do so well when trying to mix live shows. I know it is *possible* to transmit full-bandwidth audio over S/PDIF as there are mods for various DVD-Audio players that allow this but since most recording equipment, as far as I know, has the same 16/48 limitation on the ins so that's probably not very useful.

Tunetrack would be good to know, as they use proprietary sound formats for copy protection purposes.

Anyway, this is something I really, really want, but I'm slightly afraid that if we all go and do this for them there will be less insentive from 2Box to make the sample editor that will make this all a piece of cake. It's a lot of work, anyway, especially when you consider how much different room ambiances changes the sound of each drum set.

General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Re: Pearl Epro live
« on: January 14, 2010, 01:11:17 AM »
You guys, cannot complain about the color, you are 2Box fans. Really. Please. Do not even go down that road, because you will lose.

My thoughts on this: not something I would use/10

Of course, it's not as simple as that. So I look further, and I see...

superfluous product/10

I mean, it's not even theirs. Is it? They're smarttrigger drum heads, DM10 module, FXpansion/Tunetrack/Slate sound libraries, and Pearl doesn't even make their own acoustic cymbals so there's no way these are  original products either. The only thing Peral here are the shells, and even those already existed years before the product came out. Which is funny, considering that the marketing hype before this was "A completely revolutionary new product that will rock the EDrum industry and change the face of music... FOR EVER!" That's not hyperbole from me, which I do love, that is entirely along the lines of what the actual reps were saying.

So, let's leave aside the fact that I have no interest in an e-Drum system in an acoustic shell because I am somewhat apathetic towards stylistic things and prefer the substantive advantage of having small pads and a set that folds for easy transport. I'm quite aware that not only do others disagree with me on this but that I'm apparently in the minority here. Fine, whatever. I accept that this is something a lot of people want and will pay a horrific amount of money for. So. For those people. Is this a winner? Frankly, I dont' think so, because it's all rebranded. If you want the DM10, buy a DM10; if you want BFD in your DM10, buy that expansion, and if you want smarttriggers to play on, buy those... and then if you want to put them in Pearl shells, buy those. Or Tama shells. Or DW shells. Or Sonor shells. The world... is your oyster!

However. How-ever.

The one thing that these things can do that I think is new and kind of useful is that you can switch the electronics out with a minimum of fuss and then have your acoustic kit. Someone said it in another thread earlier, but edrums are everywhere, and thanks to sponsorship deals nobody is allowed to talk about it. Rush uses edrusm everywhere and they hide it by putting the pads in DW shells. This is just hte next logical progression of that. I can see why it'd be Pearl who'd make that move because Joey, as a producer, needs the ease of VST samples and then, as a Pearl drum endorsee with signature snare line, also needs his acoustic drum reputation to not be besmearched by the dirtydirtyevil secret of him using Stevenslate getting out. I'm sure there's quite a few other drummers that are in his exact same position; Jarzombek has cymbal endorsements yet most of the time you see him recording for FXpansion. Portnoy has been very vocal about his Sabien and Tama sponsorships even to the tune of trying to sell people the rhythm watch, and that is the only reason I can think of for why you'd try and tell aspiring drummers that they need a $100 metronome. I could go on but there's no point. That's not even covering all of the gothic metal drummers that blend their drums with samples live and don't tell anyone.

So I see this product being useful for that one reason alone, however, I think it's only useful for established drummers in the music business and not nearly as important to those that are just starting out. Fortunately that woudl make the market for this product people who have money, so they'll make a killing, and any competition in teh edrum scene is a good thing as it forces everyone to play catchup with each other. Now Roland is the only player left still clinging to modeling and this will squeeze them more. So that's a good thing, too. But as for the product itself? Yawn.

General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Re: Loading the latest 2 box samples
« on: January 07, 2010, 11:43:33 PM »
Er, just listening to each hit of each drum doesn't exactly give you a good idea of how a pattern on the kit sounds while being played. It's not like it's a terrible amount of effort, just play a couple of bars and try to hit each pad at least once at varying velocities. When I get mine I fully intend on making lots of demos for the betterment of the community, something which 2Box really should be doing themselves anyway.

How much are you guys paying for them? The price I was quoted was around $2800 including shipping.

Email from Steve's Music:

Hello Drew,
I would be happy to sell you this kit but it is not yet available. Im sure the pricing (when it arrives) would be very aggressive in California.
Shipping from Canada would be around 200.00
Happy New Year.

Not exactly informative but an answer, anyway.

General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Re: Loading the latest 2 box samples
« on: January 04, 2010, 02:55:36 AM »
Could someone make a recording with the new samples so we can hear what they sound like, please?

General 2box Drumit 5 forum / Re: Midi setup for DrumitFive
« on: January 04, 2010, 02:48:37 AM »
Frankly, even if oyu do get SD samples loaded on your module, for recording it's best to use a MIDI connection rather than one of the audio outs. Firstly, as someone else points out, editing mistakes is much easier with a MIDI recording than an audio one, but more important to me is that it gives you many more options for mixing and effecting later. You can, of course, assign three sets of sounds to your audio outs, *if* you have three sets of audio ins on your computer's audio hardware, but with MIDI, you can edit on a per-drum basis with only one cable. And, it's a digital (and thus lossless) connection, whereas with analog the quality of cable you use becomes an issue. Not an important one, I grant you, but even so, it's one more thing, and why worry about it when you can get the exact same sound with better customization at (slightly) higher quality? Then, of course, you can audition different kit setups without having to re-record the performance... MIDI is awesome, and makes your life simpler whenever you can use it.

Okay, I'll send them an email and find out what they say, thanks very much. This is a living post!

I saw that. However, as their website fails to provide any information on what stores they've shipped their kits to, or even if they have received any kits, or when they might receive new kits, or, in fact, anything at all, it isn't terribly helpful or useful in any way.

General 2box Drumit 5 forum / US/entire western hemosphere availability
« on: January 03, 2010, 07:19:18 AM »
I'm itching to purchase this kit, and see that we are finally getting to the point where the retailers that get kits are blowing through their preorders and having stock on hand afterwords. However, I don't know which ones ship to the US and which don't, and I'm not going to risk putting in my credit card information only to discover that I've wasted thousands of dollars on something they can't give me. So. Does anyone know who is shipping kits to the US, or Canada, or Mexico, or Latin America, or south America, or really any part of the world this side of the Pacific? Preferably I would like to go with someone who will not totally stick it to me on shipping costs but recognize that I have to take what I can get, as far as that's concerned.

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