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Title: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: ericvanderwielen on October 08, 2010, 10:44:12 AM
Hello all,

Althoug this is a 2box forum, I am wondering if anyone knows where to download those .mp3 samples from ddrum (Crillan solo amongst others). I cannot find them on the internet anymore. I want to convince a friend that he must buy ddrum instead of Roland. Or better, go directly for 2box.

Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Eric
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: roel on October 08, 2010, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: ericvanderwielen on October 08, 2010, 10:44:12 AM
Hello all,

Althoug this is a 2box forum, I am wondering if anyone knows where to download those .mp3 samples from ddrum (Crillan solo amongst others). I cannot find them on the internet anymore. I want to convince a friend that he must buy ddrum instead of Roland. Or better, go directly for 2box.

Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Eric

look on youtube (ddrum 4 se)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: madmanmafimardi on October 08, 2010, 05:04:21 PM
http://www.therecordingart.com/Samples/DrumSamples/Kits/Ddrum%20wav%2024bit%2044khz/

don´t know about what there are from
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: puttenvr on October 09, 2010, 07:02:03 AM
Apparently someone tried to catch those ddrum soundfiles into a *.wav file.
There are single shot and useless
And I can't download them.

Use the advise of Roel. There are some nice vids around there
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: ericvanderwielen on October 09, 2010, 10:01:55 AM
Thanks guys for your quick replies.

Unfortunately those are not the ones I meant.

In the Clavia site (or Nord site?) there were about eight or nine .mp3 files with drum solo's demonstrating the superb sound quality of the ddrum 4SE brain. No sound effects or whatsoever were added, just de ddrum 4SE module. The were catogarised as Dennis Chambers, Simon Philips, Mel Gaynor etc. and sounded realy great! I had them on an old computer but ofcoursed it had to crash without me making a backup.   :P
Maybe I should see this as a hint that those ddrum years are gone for good....

Thanks again!

Regards,
Eric
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: franz-tanz on October 09, 2010, 10:37:24 AM
you have to right click on the file and choose "save linked contend as...". Hope thats translated right.
In german it says: " verlinkten Inhalt speichern als....".
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on October 11, 2010, 05:18:01 AM
If you didn't get them by now, I can send all of the mp3 files you are looking for via email.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: ericvanderwielen on October 11, 2010, 08:49:29 AM
Hello Lite,

That would be great!

I have sent you a message with my email adress in it.

Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Eric


Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: madmanmafimardi on October 14, 2010, 04:38:51 AM
Please me too,love to have¨em
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: roel on October 14, 2010, 03:41:40 PM
Quote from: madmanmafimardi on October 14, 2010, 04:38:51 AM
Please me too,love to have¨em

yes can you post them on this forum please.
Thank you.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on October 26, 2010, 01:28:11 PM
I've uploaded and linked all clavia ddrum4 mp3 demos here:
http://unofficially-ddrum.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ddrum4&thread=9&page=1#38
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: puttenvr on October 26, 2010, 03:44:43 PM
These drums already sounded better than any Roland/Yamaha kit 10 years later.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on October 26, 2010, 05:58:19 PM
agreed. And they still do! And they are still faster! :)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: ericvanderwielen on October 27, 2010, 09:44:39 AM
Yes they sound great. I am deeply in love with CrillanSolo.mp3.
Last year that mp3 convinced me to buy a secondhand ddrum 4SE and to put aside my TD20.

But how does this old ddrum 4SE quality compares to 2BOX? So far I only heard some samples on the internet.

Thanks again Lite!!
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: puttenvr on October 27, 2010, 06:40:05 PM
I had both kits and the 2Box sounds are even better
Have more spice.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: roel on November 07, 2010, 02:06:36 PM
Has anyone convert those ddrum 4 se samples to 2box wav samples?
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: mandubien on November 07, 2010, 02:19:29 PM
Yeah it would be great !

I'm looking for Simon Phillips sound, and I'm not fully satisfied with kit 19 in 2box.

If I had a ddrum 4 brain, I would made the sounds immediately. We just need to record the velocities and then use Louis' software to create the library.

If someone with ddrum 4 lives close to Strasbourg (France), I would be happy to help him to make those libraries  :rock:
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 08, 2010, 11:32:26 AM
If you just want to have a certain set of sounds (Simon Phillips ) it might be possible to sample them with your PC. Download the sounds and the ddrum4 tool. The tool plays the sounds on a PC (every single sample). I think there is a tool called something like 'virtual cable'. This allows you to record the played sounds digitally without D/A conversion.

It should be worth the effort if you just want a few sounds but not the entire library.

However I am not sure if the samples will sound as good as on the ddrum4. AFAIK the ddrum4 does a lot more than just playing the different samples. There are algorithms to prevent machine gun effects and simulate a drum head vibration for playing rolls, etc. (as far as I remember clavia called this "drum head vibration algorithm"). The parameters for that are hidden in the ddrum4 sound format.

I don't know what the 2box is capable of in this respect but it's surely not compatible reading the additional parameters. If the 2box just plays the samples I am pretty sure they won't sound as real as they do on the ddrum4.

The Simon Phillips Toms are my absolute favorite ones on the ddrum4. But most of the time I play BFD Tom multisamples (Gretsch) imported into the ddrum3.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: mandubien on November 08, 2010, 12:09:33 PM
Arf ! I'm on Mac...
My mom still has a PC. I downloaded the hole library so I will try something this week-end.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 08, 2010, 12:50:01 PM
Good luck! I bought an old Mac just because of the ddrum3 which was - contrary to the ddrum4 - Mac only :)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: puttenvr on November 08, 2010, 05:11:20 PM
Quote from: lite on November 08, 2010, 11:32:26 AM
... it might be possible to sample them with your PC. Download the sounds and the ddrum4 tool. The tool plays the sounds on a PC (every single sample). I think there is a tool called something like 'virtual cable'. This allows you to record the played sounds digitally without D/A conversion.

I am afraid this will depend too much on the quality of your pc sound card
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: mandubien on November 08, 2010, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: lite on November 08, 2010, 12:50:01 PM
Good luck! I bought an old Mac just because of the ddrum3 which was - contrary to the ddrum4 - Mac only :)

Well if there are Simon Phillips samples in ddrum 3 with the same quality than ddrum 4, it's great !
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: nonoduweb on November 09, 2010, 06:52:23 AM
Quote from: lite on November 08, 2010, 11:32:26 AM

...However I am not sure if the samples will sound as good as on the ddrum4...


I think you're right: the ddrum4tool program can read all the sounds of the ddrum4 (very interesting), but it doesn't simulate the module.
It only reads the differents samples in each sound, and it seems that there are not enough layers there to build a good sound for the 2box brain, except perhaps for the percussions or the effects.
We can ask to Deve to improve his ddrum4tool between two OS updates (perhaps during the night?  ;D), but maybe the best way to get the ddrum sounds is to use a midi file created with DsoundTool (with several midi velocities, 60 for a tom/snare, 40 for a kick, 3 or 4 secs of silence between each midi note - more for huge toms or cymbals sounds), to send these messages to the ddrum brain and to record the resulting audio in a single file (stereo wav format, 44Khz, 24 bits).
I hope it will help.  ;)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 09, 2010, 09:45:05 AM
Quote from: puttenvr on November 08, 2010, 05:11:20 PM
I am afraid this will depend too much on the quality of your pc sound card

No it won't as you don't have an audio playback. That's why it is called "virtual audio cable". It grabs the sound data directly without your soundcard playing it back.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 09, 2010, 09:49:03 AM
Quote from: mandubien on November 08, 2010, 06:09:24 PM
Well if there are Simon Phillips samples in ddrum 3 with the same quality than ddrum 4, it's great !

The Simon Phillips Signature Sounds came up when the ddrum4 was current. The ddrum3 library doesn't contain them. But I prefer the Tom sounds from the BFD Gretsch expansion anyway. The only thing I miss is that BFD didn't make multisamples for different zones, just velocity. So I can't use the multisample feature for different position zones with these sounds on the ddrum3.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Deve Loper on November 09, 2010, 11:31:38 AM
Hi.

Try this (PC only).
http://www.2box.se/Downloads/ddrum4wav.zip
Drop any ddrum4 mid file on it, and you get a bunch of wav files (mono 16 bit 44.1 kHz) in the same folder as the mid file. All wav files extracted take more space than the original mid file since the ddrum4 format is compressed.
This is just a hack, so no guarantees.
(You can use these files directly in the DrumIt Editor.)

Deve/
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 09, 2010, 12:20:50 PM
Thank You very much! This is very usefull.

Do you know if the hidden and so called "DVA" feature/value in the ddrum3 can be used to get simalair algorithms with user loaded multisamples? I know it's not about the 2box but I understand you guys are still the knowledge pool for ddrum stuff due to your roots :-)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 09, 2010, 12:22:00 PM
Do you think it would be possible to have such a hack the other way round? wav -> ddrum4?  ;D :o
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Mesursur on November 09, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
Quote from: lite on November 08, 2010, 11:32:26 AM

However I am not sure if the samples will sound as good as on the ddrum4. AFAIK the ddrum4 does a lot more than just playing the different samples. There are algorithms to prevent machine gun effects and simulate a drum head vibration for playing rolls, etc. (as far as I remember clavia called this "drum head vibration algorithm"). The parameters for that are hidden in the ddrum4 sound format.

I don't know what the 2box is capable of in this respect but it's surely not compatible reading the additional parameters. If the 2box just plays the samples I am pretty sure they won't sound as real as they do on the ddrum4.


;)
Every software program has algorithms. Without it, it wont even start. The same people (or some) that worked on the ddrum4, worked on the drumit, so they now about it. A algorithm doesnt need a parameter from a sample to work correctly. If it does, it would be useless to make home-made samples. all it needs is a sample. The algorithms are just in the software and programmed without the need of sample parameters.

The ddrum machines had (have) two sound processing units inside. Thats why there is no "machine gun" triggering.

All the algorithm does is (i think and a lot more complex :)) if, stick hits pad with xx velocity, sample-x,x is triggered at that volume, rate, dynamic range ... else, no sound. If next hit is in < 1 sec, use second sound unit and play sample ...... .

No need for parameters in the sample. Just good programming (not mine:))

Ok, enough about the ddrum4, drumit is the new poop and better!
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Mesursur on November 09, 2010, 07:17:38 PM
WOW, that program works like a charm. Many thanks:)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 09, 2010, 09:18:06 PM
I think you have no idea of what I am talking about when I mention clavia's particular so called "drum head vibration algorithm". I am not talking about some software in general. I won't write it again, I've just copied my reply from the other thread. see below.

How can "two sound processing units" (the way you name it) avoid the machine gun effect when the same sample is played again and again during a roll? Where is the difference in sound between the "two units"?


answer from another thread:

I mean the ddrum3 sounds in general, not especially single shot sounds. I assume you mean the same Clavia ddrum3 CD as there was no other:

There are definitely parameters you loose if you convert the sounds to wav.

You have to distinguish between two different ways of sound manipulation in the ddrum3:

a) user adjustable: all the parameters found in the menu (filter, param EQ, damp, click, attack, pitch, bend, gain, xfade, etc.)

b) factory settings: random sample play, position phase (phasing effect controlled by position), random start, and – most important:DVA!

you can check the Simmons sounds from the ddrum3 CD. They have filter parameters causing them to sound very different depending on velocity (not just volume). Most of them use the dynamic EQ and dynamic pitch bend. One Simmons Tom from the ROM bank for example changes pitch entirely when hitting harder.

These parameters are stored in the ddrum3 sounds (kind of hidden as you can't access them outside the ddrum3). You loose these features if you convert them into wav. The 2box can't read ddrum3 sound parameters. And even if the 2box could do it, it does not have filters at all. Just straight sample playback. So you just get the static sample if you transfer it into the 2box.

Beside those parameters (a), there are parameters which are really hidden, described under b). I don't know exactly to which of the multisample sets on the CD the b) type stuff has been applied to. If you want a prove just listen to the Nord Lead Percussion sound no 15. it's a multisample with random sample playback. Which you will loose as well if you convert to wave.

Clavia introduced a thing called ,,drum head vibration algorithm" with the ddrum2. Of course this has been found in the ddrum3 as well. This algorithm changes the relation between the overtones if you play fast repeating strokes. This is the algorithm eliminating the machine gun effect! And yes, you even have a hidden parameter ,,DVA" in your ddrum3! I think it was 0 to 6. With the ddrum4 the version two of the so called ,,drum head vibration algorithm" has been announced.

You see there is a lot more to discover than just calling different velocity samples! Otherwise it would be easy to make a good and realistic sounding drum module if just some multisamples would do the trick. They don't.

The 2box has this velocity layer variation thing in order to avoid the same sample played back repetitive to get rid of the machine gun effect. And a lot more layered samples of course. But it works different from the ddrums and that's why you won't get the same results by just converting the ddrum sounds into wav and transfering them into the 2box.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Mesursur on November 09, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
No i have no idea  :). Thanks for the reply. Just read the ddrumAT  manual (page 7) about the gun effect and the two sound processing units. The simmons example you've mentioned, it is al done with the g-sense and f-sense parameter on the ddrum3(filter button). this can be done with all samples. I have done it with my samples. No hidden parameters(i think). I know the things you mention. Thanks

And dont be offended please.

http://www.clavia.se/ddrum/Files/     for the quick reference

P.S. are you one of the programmers of ddrum and 2box? DVA? (Drumhead Vibration Algorithm)?
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 09, 2010, 11:17:35 PM
Quote from: Mesursur on November 09, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
Just read the ddrumAT  manual (page 7) about the gun effect and the two sound processing units.

Yes, page 7 states the drum head vibration algorithm. As the AT is much older it was probably the way to change a sound during playback as computing power was limited. However, two sound "players" itself won't kill the machine gun effect as long as you don't control them by a smart algorithm to change the sound as desired (-> DVA).

Quote from: Mesursur on November 09, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
The simmons example you've mentioned, it is al done with the g-sense and f-sense parameter on the ddrum3(filter button). this can be done with all samples. I have done it with my samples. No hidden parameters(i think).

The Simmons sounds were an example of the user adjustable parameters/filters (not hidden/available in the ddrum3). But The ddrum3 filters are dynamic ones driven by velocity (in this example). The 2box doesn't have filters. It won't work. You just get the straight sample by transfering it into the 2box.

The hidden stuff is DVA,random,posphase,etc - depending on which dd3 sounds are affected.

Quote from: Mesursur on November 09, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
And dont be offended please.

never  :)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Mesursur on November 09, 2010, 11:26:04 PM
Ok, good, but one note, are the parameters not just stored in the sample/ kit presets? isn't that the logical explanation of the parameters. How do you know al this stuff? and last :), now my band buddies have to hear more boring facts about ddrum. They will kill me.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 09, 2010, 11:34:46 PM
If I dump single sounds into the ddrum3 the related filter adjustments are transferred as well. I think if you just transfer an individual sample it is without anything.

I am eager to try the hidden stuff (DVA,...). random sample, random start point and posphase work with my own samples. But I didn't notice any difference when dialing in DVA with my own samples :-(

Well, your band buddies share the same fate with my band buddies  ;D ::)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Mesursur on November 09, 2010, 11:43:11 PM
ok you can also download the complete ddrum4 cd from clavias own website(why didnt they just deleted this stuff?)

http://www.clavia.se/ddrum/Files/  (dont think they know)

the tool to convert the mid to wave is 7 posts back, at the beginning of the endless discussion about some ddrum things  ;)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: nonoduweb on November 10, 2010, 06:10:51 AM
Hem...If this "hidden stuff" (to avoid machine gun effect) is activated when the ddrum module receives midi messages, this will be sufficient to build a 2box sound...(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes010.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes008.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 10, 2010, 07:30:06 AM
You mean the other way round transfering 2box sounds into the ddrum3? You have to set this "hidden stuff" manually in the ddrum3. There is a certain button combination to be pressed in order to get access. Only the Clavia stock sounds have those parameters already set and they are dialed in already if you dump them into the ddrum3 (you have to usethe clavia software. MIDI dump only appropiate for raw samples). The other stuff is regular filter stuff in the normal ddrum3 menu.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: nonoduweb on November 10, 2010, 11:18:05 AM
Sorry I wasn't clear enough.

When the ddrum brain receives a midi note, does it play the corresponding sound randomly? Are these algorithms activated during midi reception to avoid machine gun effect?
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Mesursur on November 10, 2010, 12:59:47 PM
@lite , Do you know the combination?  :rock:

Hey but the normal samples (without the hidden stuff) also sound great.  So there is no need to use the hidden stuff in the sample in order to get a great sound. Thats what I ment. Thats the same if the samples are converted to wave. Then its just a sample and can be used in the 2box (if it sounds good) Am i right. (this was my last item about this, so dont worry:))
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Bill P on November 10, 2010, 03:49:29 PM
Deve,

Great job with the ddrum4wav tool.

I have managed to figure out some of the ddrum4 sound file format and parameters by trial and error – modify a parameter value, load the modified file, and test the changes.  However, the trial and error method is very time consuming.  So far I have been able to:

• Change a sample type/name (to differentiate a modified file from the original)
• Modify the relative volume of each multi-sample
• Change the velocity zone assignment of multi-samples
• Remove multi-samples from a file
• Add samples from one CDD4 file to another CDD4 file (must be in compressed format)
• Layer multi-samples by velocity (crossfade)

One thing I have not been able to do is create a multi-sample file from wav files loaded into ddrum4 as a MIDI sample dump.  It appears that the compression is different for MIDI sample dump files and the ddrum4 firmware does not support multiple samples for this format.

Can you or anyone else provide documentation for the ddrum4 (CDD4) sound file format and compression algorithm?

Thanks,
Bill
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Deve Loper on November 10, 2010, 10:08:39 PM
Hi.
The software for making the ddrum4 sounds was running on a 68k Mac from way back. The compression algorithm is nasty. So sorry, no software to make ddrum4 sounds today. The ddrum4wav program I carved out of the ddrum4tool program, so just decoding.
The MIDI sample dump stuff is single layer only with 9 different preset variations to add some velocity and filter action.
Deve.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Mesursur on November 11, 2010, 01:10:13 AM
Ok, thank you developer for making that clear.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 11, 2010, 07:29:57 AM
@Deve: Thank You very much for the information. So the software runs on an old Mac with classic OS. I still have one in the cellar :) Would it be possible to use this software for compressing sounds to the ddrum4? That would be so great! :-)

@Bill P: That's very interesting! The ddrum4 would be much more powerful if the proprietary sound format would be published and own multisamples could be transfered into it with all the features as the stock sounds have. Did you edit the the MIDI files with a hex editor to change the values? I wouldn't know how to the start trial and error changes.

@Mesursur: Yes :) An experienced ddrum3 user was so kind to provide the button combination recently: http://unofficially-ddrum.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ddrum3&thread=25&page=1#71

@nonoduweb: yes, the ddrum3 sounds and its related settings/filters can be played via MIDI as well. Also the effects depending on position and damp (pressure sensitivity when holding down the drum head) are responding to MIDI.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: nonoduweb on November 11, 2010, 09:40:19 AM
Thanks for the reply. :)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Mesursur on November 11, 2010, 11:49:51 AM
Can't wait to play(around) with that  "new" features. The random mode would be very usefull for my music. DVA adjust, ow .... can't wait :)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 11, 2010, 06:12:27 PM
Great ;-) let's share our results. I think it'll take some trial and error to get decent results and to know what all these numbers do :)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Slagverket on November 11, 2010, 07:02:36 PM
Nice thread. I just have to get my hands on a kit so I can join in this interesting "quest"... I have a few aces up my sleeve...  ;)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Mesursur on November 11, 2010, 11:09:35 PM
Yes, it will take a while.  Some things like roll and exp.dec seem to do nothing at all but (i've looked at the rom samples):

Almost all the snare samples have roll, exp.dec and DVA enabled.

Almost all samples have exp.dec enabled

I thought, maybe exp.dec means exponential decay. if the value is set high, the steeper the line. if - The faster your roll ,  then - The value of the normal decay will be less and will shotern the sample. The roll will be tighter.

Maybe roll has also something to do with this. The treshold for when exp.dec kicks in? or the algorithm for the roll like the ddrumAT modes in the AT (page 31 manual).  
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: puttenvr on November 12, 2010, 07:08:33 AM
I can't run the ddrumWav.Tool
Windows 7?
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 12, 2010, 08:16:19 AM
@Mesursur
I only get DVA to work if I have set posphase other than OFF (1-255). Did you have DVA effects without posphase?

@puttenvr
A DOS window opens up if I run the tool. Do you have win7 as 64bit? I've got no experience with win7 and don't know, maybe this could help? http://www.dosbox.com/
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: lite on November 12, 2010, 08:33:50 AM
Quote from: Mesursur on November 11, 2010, 11:09:35 PM
or the algorithm for the roll like the ddrumAT modes in the AT (page 31 manual).  

you mean trigger related? not soundwise? mh ......
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Mesursur on November 12, 2010, 09:58:04 AM
@ puttenvr

It's working on my dutch Windows 7.

<dutch>Je hoeft de Wave-tool zelf niet te openen . Gewoon zorgen dat de wave-tool en het .mid bestand in dezelfde map staan, het mid bestand op de wave-tool slepen, en dan pakt hij vanzelf het .mid bstand uit in dezelfde map.

Werkt dit nou niet, kun je altijd de compabilitiet aanpassen van de tool: rechtermuisknop op de wave-tool--> eigenschappen-->tabblad compabilitiet en dan aanvinken "dit programma uitvoeren in compabilitietsmodus voor: Windows xp sp3. -->ok (toepassen)</dutch>.

@Lite,
No, I ment, the lower te roll value, the more/less/other algorithm is enabled. So if the value is 0 , all rolls get the exp.dec. If the value is set to 7 , only the fastest rolls get the exp.dec.(or vice versa) Something like that.

It's difficult for me, for this matter, to make myself clear in English

Yes, the DVA is working without the postphase enabled(6 is very extreme)(software 2.08)
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: puttenvr on November 12, 2010, 11:14:15 AM
Thanks a lot (bedankt)

Quote from: Mesursur on November 09, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
http://www.clavia.se/ddrum/Files/   

Not sure if all mega drum kit sounds are there
Found another link

http://www.ddrum.com/DDRUM4_SE/FactoryLibrary3.zip
http://www.ddrum.com/DDRUM4_SE/FactoryLibrarySE.zip
http://www.ddrum.com/DDRUM4_SE/MegaDrumkitsLibrary.zip
http://www.ddrum.com/DDRUM4_SE/MegaDrumkitsSignatureSeries1.zip
http://www.ddrum.com/DDRUM4_SE/MegaDrumkitsSignatureSeries2.zip
http://www.ddrum.com/DDRUM4_SE/SoundLibrary.zip
http://www.ddrum.com/DDRUM4_SE/SynthLibrary.zip
http://www.ddrum.com/DDRUM4_SE/vintagelibrary.zip
http://www.ddrum.com/DDRUM4_SE/ddrum4soundlibrary.zip
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: puttenvr on November 12, 2010, 03:59:26 PM
PS: I just converted some STOECK tom sounds. Always liked them very much on the ddrum4, but
nowadays you can't compare them with 2Box sounds, which are so much richer.

In addition: same for the Simon Philips sounds. Although they sound more Simon Philips like than the ''Mr Philips kit'' 'which is inside the 2Box, the ddrum sounds are kinda flat. Perhaps it's not the ddrum4, but the conversion process between the two sound formats.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: TrommelTheo on February 25, 2011, 07:18:22 PM
I was in contact with Clavia and Armadillo. Everxyone could told me NOTHING to the rights. I think Armadillo just bought the Name and the electric but not the software. I bet Clavia still have the Editor-Software for DDrum4, they are opnly to lazy to make money with it. Ddrum4 was compressed for the 4th tim, they now excisting Sample-Editor for Nord is compressing for 8 times, nearly like the Drumit 5 ;). So it wouldn´t hurt someone, if Clavia would sell the Editor for money. They told me, they won´t be busy with 8 year old software... and i must see by my self where i could get other sounds for my Ddrum4.
And THAT´s what i wanted to hear: let us all feel free to hack the DDrum4, Clavia doesn´t care about, Armadillo doesn´t care about.
If someone is intrested in the answers from Clavia´s Tomas Johansson and Armadillos´s Chuck Turk, feel free to ask me...

Theo
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: TrommelTheo on February 25, 2011, 11:04:04 PM
BTW, just tried to convert .mid to wave-File.
When i play the Wave-File over Media-Player, i hear the sound as a Flam?
Theo
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Krillo on September 11, 2011, 05:24:13 AM
The link for the ddrum4wav.zip tool is dead, could someone please post a working link?

thanks
/Krillo
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: roel on September 29, 2011, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on November 12, 2010, 03:59:26 PM
PS: I just converted some STOECK tom sounds. Always liked them very much on the ddrum4, but
nowadays you can't compare them with 2Box sounds, which are so much richer.

In addition: same for the Simon Philips sounds. Although they sound more Simon Philips like than the ''Mr Philips kit'' 'which is inside the 2Box, the ddrum sounds are kinda flat. Perhaps it's not the ddrum4, but the conversion process between the two sound formats.

@ puttenvr kun je me even uitleggen hoe jij de ddrum midi files omgezet hebt naar dsnd?
@ /deve loper ,2box : the link is not working!!!
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: puttenvr on October 01, 2011, 06:32:22 AM
Met dat programmaatje dat erbij zat (ddrumWav.Tool)
Je mikt die files erop en dan presto
Maar bespaar je de moeite
Vergeleken met de 2Box sounds is dit nikx
Ligt aan de conversie, want die ddrum klanken klonken destijds prima
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: roel on October 01, 2011, 06:35:17 AM
Quote from: puttenvr on October 01, 2011, 06:32:22 AM
Met dat programmaatje dat erbij zat (ddrumWav.Tool)
Je mikt die files erop en dan presto
Maar bespaar je de moeite
Vergeleken met de 2Box sounds is dit nikx
Ligt aan de conversie, want die ddrum klanken klonken destijds prima

ok dank je dan hou ik het voor gezien.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: roel on January 14, 2012, 10:34:08 AM
since I have a 32GB SDHC CARD does anybody have convert ddrum 4se mid files?
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: puttenvr on January 14, 2012, 01:25:14 PM
I had them for awhile but dumped them
They are worser than any 2Box sound is
We are 10 years on ...
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: roel on January 14, 2012, 04:37:51 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on January 14, 2012, 01:25:14 PM
I had them for awhile but dumped them
They are worser than any 2Box sound is
We are 10 years on ...

I was thinking about those simon philips samples.
toto rules.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: puttenvr on January 19, 2012, 04:45:50 PM
Sure, Toto rules
although those ddrum4 Simon Philips sounds were quite boomy and missed some attack.
Hope 2Box soon will release new ones.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: roel on January 19, 2012, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on January 19, 2012, 04:45:50 PM
Sure, Toto rules
although those ddrum4 Simon Philips sounds were quite boomy and missed some attack.
Hope 2Box soon will release new ones.

I hope so. since I have a 32 Gb SDHC Card, 2box must record the Yamaha phx kit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qFmKKa_LWY
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: TrommelTheo on March 20, 2012, 07:29:19 PM
I´ve lost the Ddrum4wave.zip on my PC, is there someone who could send me again? Would be fine!
Thx

Theo
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: TrommelTheo on March 25, 2012, 06:05:57 PM
THX!!! ;D :animal: :rock:
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: roel on March 05, 2014, 10:11:39 AM
@ Lite: Do you still have those mp3 demo's from Clavia Ddrum 4SE the link is not working anymore.
can you post a new link? or send me them by email rjetten@hotmail.com thank you.
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: Krillo on March 18, 2014, 07:10:53 PM
i have the cd somewhere...  :o

Here it iz: http://www.mediafire.com/download/b4k32zcwqco29zh/dd4demos.zip
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: roel on March 20, 2014, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: Krillo on March 18, 2014, 07:10:53 PM
i have the cd somewhere...  :o

Here it iz: http://www.mediafire.com/download/b4k32zcwqco29zh/dd4demos.zip

thanx, do you also have a Ddrum 4SE set Krillo? what's your favorite signature kit?
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: mcalandr on October 27, 2014, 07:08:45 AM
hello...i am trying to get this too:

www.2box.se/Downloads/ddrum4wav.zip
anybosy is able to provide me with it? Thanks....
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: SynapticGroove on March 30, 2018, 09:38:57 PM
I know this thread is old as hell, but I would definitely like to get the ddrum4Wav tool if anyone has it laying around.

Thanks!
Title: Re: ddrum 4SE .mp3 files
Post by: ANGR77 on March 31, 2018, 08:08:41 AM
Hi!

The tool was launched by Deve Loper (A guy who worked for Clavia and also 2box once upon a time)

This tool only moves old dd4 samples to wave files...

It used to be on the 2box site...but is gone since long time...

Building your own samples for ddrum is not possible ... it has a very nasty compression algorithm...

More info:
http://unofficially-ddrum.proboards.com/thread/60/ddrum4-multisample-format