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Title: my modified bassdrum
Post by: spoenk on June 29, 2010, 07:25:32 PM
...not only works like a charm, but is far less noisy than before and less heavy to carry.

combined tips from guys from this forum: removed the metal plate and the rubber foam, moved the trigger, stabilized the pad with the snare stand, bought the triggerball beater...

no noise, no instability, no double-triggering

for pictures see attachments
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: hwasser on June 30, 2010, 07:01:05 AM
Actually, when i removed the rubber, the double triggering was doubbled no matter how I tightend or untightend the meshhead.
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: spoenk on June 30, 2010, 12:40:15 PM
initially it was worse, but i untightened the head a bit, no problem whatsoever now ...
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: Daniel on July 01, 2010, 09:34:52 AM
cool, where did you get the "ball" from?
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: puttenvr on July 01, 2010, 01:57:35 PM
http://www.thomann.de/de/tdrum_triggerball_beater.htm
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: rythm on July 01, 2010, 02:17:59 PM
The beater looks interesting. What´s the differences compared to a regular beater?
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: puttenvr on July 01, 2010, 04:43:57 PM
Less noise
But to me it plays a bit heavier
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: spoenk on July 01, 2010, 11:37:53 PM
it's specifically designed for e-drums, interaction is different, more suited to triggers...and it doesn't wear out the mesh as much ...
most important: it works for me
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: UC on July 02, 2010, 09:00:31 AM
Hey Spoenk, what's the action like - is it nice and quick? Thinking I might give this a go too if it's quieter...
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: spoenk on July 08, 2010, 01:48:02 PM
to me it feels very good ... i switch a lot between the 2box and an acoustic set and i don't have to adjust the way i play ...
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: RossC on July 23, 2010, 04:06:56 AM
I've been having problems with the kick double triggering. I took the bass drum apart today to try and do this, with moving the trigger is it just a case of pulling it out and putting it in the rim hole? I really don't want to break anything. I noticed in the new 2box picture they have gotten rid of the metal plate as well.

Thanks!
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: Scottie on July 23, 2010, 09:37:29 AM
Quote from: RossC on July 23, 2010, 04:06:56 AM
I've been having problems with the kick double triggering. I took the bass drum apart today to try and do this, with moving the trigger is it just a case of pulling it out and putting it in the rim hole? I really don't want to break anything. I noticed in the new 2box picture they have gotten rid of the metal plate as well.

Thanks!

Hi Ross

Here is a picture of the sensor repositioned. All you have to do is remove the back plate from the drum, and move the sensor down to the recess.
The screws holding the back plate in place might be quite tight.

(http://www.handinhand.uk.net/web_pics/kick-modification.jpg)

If you need any more advice with removing the plate, then please don't hesitate to ask.

Thanks
Scott
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: spoenk on July 23, 2010, 10:43:06 AM
i also cut the foam so it looks just like the other pads ... used some gaffa so it stays in the right position ...
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: RossC on July 25, 2010, 06:54:06 AM
Awesome thanks, my rack set up has the arch going the other way so I have to change to allow the snare stand to reach the kick. All is sweet now though.

Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: DJDrums on August 08, 2010, 10:27:10 AM
G'day All,

I was having trouble with additional bounce and feel with my Bass drum. I couldn't get it to feel anything like my acoustic kit. I removed the glass 2Box emblem from the pad which gave the foam abit more give. Perfect. With the right tension on the mesh is feels just like the real deal and no triggering problems and its a quick mod as well.      Extra note, Hi hat performance is perfect when you get it off the 2 Box stand and onto a good stand alone hi hat stand. Unbelieveably better. Cheers
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: fishmonkey on August 08, 2010, 11:22:16 AM
the return spring on the hihat is a bit weak, i think changing that spring might help too... it feels like i have to let the hihat open earlier to give it extra time to lift. makes playing a classic closed to open hihat sound a bit unreliable...
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: hwasser on August 20, 2010, 07:00:46 PM
What to do with the cables to the light? I like my basslight, but desided to take away the plate :( .. how do u get the trigger out off the hole? just pull it hard out?
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: spoenk on August 20, 2010, 10:19:29 PM
as far as i remember it just sits in the foam, no brutal force needed...?
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: hwasser on August 21, 2010, 10:16:59 AM
Okay. Hmm, will do something creative with the light infront of the modified bassdrum, hehe.

I decided to change after playing a acoustic drum set last week, the bassdrum on 2box mk1 is very hard compared to a acoustic set because all foam in the bassdrum.
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: hwasser on August 21, 2010, 02:13:53 PM
Okey now I made it. Cut some of the foam to cause the foams bouncing did kicksounds in the module :p .. but one problem, now its uneven, the left side of the kick triggers much higher than the right side (use doublepedals). I have put the trigger as on the picture (with the cables to the right) does this affect?
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: hwasser on August 21, 2010, 03:21:41 PM
Made it better by stuffing between the sideplate and the foam with some absorber foam :p .. now its much better. Must cut the foam on the sides a bit more perfectly also. My god, it plays really different now. But more realistic, real bassdrums doesnt got foam in them so :p
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: roel on August 27, 2010, 09:16:18 AM
Quote from: hwasser on August 21, 2010, 03:21:41 PM
Made it better by stuffing between the sideplate and the foam with some absorber foam :p .. now its much better. Must cut the foam on the sides a bit more perfectly also. My god, it plays really different now. But more realistic, real bassdrums doesnt got foam in them so :p

Is there not another way to modified your bassdrum, I mean so that you can keep the backplate with that 2box
logo (light).
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: hwasser on August 27, 2010, 11:41:15 AM
by lower the trigger to the rimtrigger hole and cut out the foam in the middle (like on the first picture in this thread) should do it perhaps, but maybe you will hit the light then (hit the light like metallica!  :rock:)
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: roel on September 04, 2010, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: hwasser on August 27, 2010, 11:41:15 AM
by lower the trigger to the rimtrigger hole and cut out the foam in the middle (like on the first picture in this thread) should do it perhaps, but maybe you will hit the light then (hit the light like metallica!  :rock:)

Huh how can you hit the light? I mean the beater is only hitting the meshhead at the front.So why are you taking the led plate away?why not only the foam in the middle,and then replace the backplate with that 2box light.
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: p929 on September 04, 2010, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: roel on September 04, 2010, 12:48:35 PM
Huh how can you hit the light? I mean the beater is only hitting the meshhead at the front.

It's possible, actually, I just removed the middle foam, i.e. the one which stays at the beater. then I left the mesh a little bit loose and I start hearing some 'tack-tack' then I realized that the beater was sometimes hitting  the external plate. I solved it by tightening the mesh a bit. and the acoustic noise is now reduced by far and I didn't have to rid off the light or cut the foam or repositioning the sensor...just remove the middle foam, that's all!! 
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: roel on September 04, 2010, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: p929 on September 04, 2010, 01:41:42 PM
It's possible, actually, I just removed the middle foam, i.e. the one which stays at the beater. then I left the mesh a little bit loose and I start hearing some 'tack-tack' then I realized that the beater was sometimes hitting  the external plate. I solved it by tightening the mesh a bit. and the acoustic noise is now reduced by far and I didn't have to rid off the light or cut the foam or repositioning the sensor...just remove the middle foam, that's all!! 

that's what I mean, so the double triggering is gone now?
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on April 06, 2011, 10:01:33 AM
hey guys how did you remove the sensor?
i opened my mk1 kick pad(i have a mk2 drum set), and i removed only the small oart of the foam that the beater hits on. it is so much better. i wanted to remove the whole foam, but after some testing, without any foam it double triggered a lot since without any foam the sensor should really be on the edge. thing is that i cant remove it from the middle it seems to be glued or something. also what about the backplate and all its cables? what should i do with them? is there some kind of a video on how we remove the sensor , how we completely remove the back plate and what we do with the light cables etc? thanx so much
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on April 10, 2011, 10:37:11 AM
any help regarding on how to remove the sensor from the middle and removing also the light plate with the cables would be awesome. othwerwise i will have to send it over to my countrys retailers, and id rather avoid it if i could
thanx
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: Slap the drummer on April 11, 2011, 01:09:40 AM
Hi BA -

ok, the sensor is wrapped up in a cylinder of cream coloured foam with a black patch
like a bicycle tube repair patch on top (if yours is like mine was).

It's glued into the cup in the metal back plate.  Use a blunt kitchen knife or your fingers
to get the whole assembly out (with wires attached obviously).  When I did this it left
a bit of the foam behind.  No way round that I guess, and I don't think it's a big deal.
Then you can move the sensor to the cylindrical "cup" at the rim.  Personally I wdn't bother
gluing it or anything - the mesh head shd hold it firm once you've tensioned it up.

Dress the 2 wires as you think best.  I pulled the slack back thru and into the space at the
rim - you'll see what I mean when you do it.  Key thing is to keep the loose wire away from
the vibrations of the mesh head.

As for the light - the main section of the back plate can be removed from the (back of the)
rim assembly by undoing the screws and just removing.  The wires to the light you will have
to decide for yourself.  On mine the light had already gone dead, so I just snipped off.
Alternatively -- from memory -- the wires (2 sets) attach to diode things (ie thin strips)
left and right of the logo cut-out.  Maybe you can carefully unglue the strips from their
position (with a knife) and just let them dangle out the back of the drum shell....

Does that help?
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on April 11, 2011, 09:19:19 AM
that helps a lot mate
i think i understood exactly what i need to do. if i have any other question i wil ask but i think you covered everything, with excellence. thanx a lot!!!!
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on November 10, 2011, 11:13:30 AM
i do not know if this is the correct threadto reply or if i should open a new thread. there was a thread with similar mod but cant find it. anyway here iswhat i did to make the bass drum not move. i used a rod in the shape of letter T adn the top of the letter T i wrapped it in an old shirt and also between the rod and the bass drum i put a vetex to absorb some nasty collision tears that might happen in the bass drum. anywayhere  are the pics.it works really well

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3619/10112011197.jpg)
(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8236/10112011198.jpg)
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: roel on November 11, 2011, 09:15:35 PM
there you go: ;)

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7102/dsc01880do.jpg)
By roel2104 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/roel2104) at 2011-07-22

(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/4494/dsc01885a.jpg)
By roel2104 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/roel2104) at 2011-07-22

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6707/dsc01881ny.jpg)
By roel2104 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/roel2104) at 2011-07-22
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on November 12, 2011, 12:43:22 AM
yep yours looks more elegant id say, still mine does the job.
i wil lsay something here though that again i realised i dislike
and i found that out accidentally
tonight i wanted to practise galloping with double pedal. and cause it was late i decided to put a sweater on the bass drum so that the beaters hit the sweater and be really silent (yeah i know i am mac guiver).
what i realised though is that the rebound got so much better with it. so i realised even with this mod i made with the iron bars, i still aint satisfied. when i goto my teacher, he has td9, with the plastic kick pad. the rebound there is perfect

so i wonder what am i doing wrong? i want it to be perfect. should i tighten more the head? losen it more? get new mesh heads?
quit drumming?
i just need perfect rebound. because when you play really fast, it matters

also an idea crossed my mind. could we somehow use kd-9 of roland as kick somehow? manfred?

yeah i know i have nothing else to do and i start bitching about . sorry. perhaps there really is a mans period just like the women. oh well..
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: roel on November 12, 2011, 06:20:00 AM
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on November 12, 2011, 12:43:22 AM
yep yours looks more elegant id say, still mine does the job.
i wil lsay something here though that again i realised i dislike
and i found that out accidentally
tonight i wanted to practise galloping with double pedal. and cause it was late i decided to put a sweater on the bass drum so that the beaters hit the sweater and be really silent (yeah i know i am mac guiver).
what i realised though is that the rebound got so much better with it. so i realised even with this mod i made with the iron bars, i still aint satisfied. when i goto my teacher, he has td9, with the plastic kick pad. the rebound there is perfect

so i wonder what am i doing wrong? i want it to be perfect. should i tighten more the head? losen it more? get new mesh heads?
quit drumming?
i just need perfect rebound. because when you play really fast, it matters

also an idea crossed my mind. could we somehow use kd-9 of roland as kick somehow? manfred?

yeah i know i have nothing else to do and i start bitching about . sorry. perhaps there really is a mans period just like the women. oh well..

I have still have the MK1 KICKPAD wonder how a MK2 KICKPAD plays? how much better it is?
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on November 12, 2011, 09:27:42 AM
it is much more silent. thats the real difference. but also it has less rebound than the mk1 because the beater hits a plastic thingy, not a mesh
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: roel on November 12, 2011, 09:34:33 AM
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on November 12, 2011, 09:27:42 AM
it is much more silent. thats the real difference. but also it has less rebound than the mk1 because the beater hits a plastic thingy, not a mesh


Hello BA Baracus! :)
Ok Iam gonna contact my dealer.
Thank you for the info.
greetings,
Roel.
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on November 12, 2011, 03:51:26 PM
no problem mate
for me, since i had both, mk2 is way better. it still isnt perfect. perhaps a tighter mesh head (2ply) is what is needed to make this a killer kick pad. i dunno. i am exp[erimenting. cause since i started playing double pedal, and faster with my feet in general, it isnt what i wanted it to be. and that is perfect. it is90% of what i want. but i am a perfectionist...
i want it to be 100% awesome. i will try many things i have in mind. right now i am trying to see what is goin on with the mesh being extremely loose. (mind you i have a falam where the beaters hit, and this makes the rebound a bit mysterious, thats why i wanna see if the loose mesh will falam will work...
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on November 13, 2011, 10:55:10 PM
you will laugh at this i know. but i found the perfect settings for the kick drum to be awesome.with double pedalor single pedal.
mesh is very tight. i am using the tennis ball beaters.
and i just did this




















i added a sweater on the the kick pad. yes, when i say sweater, i mean thye sweaters we wear.
now , trigerring is still the same, and there is no double trigerring or odd bouncing. it is PERFECT. i will tell mum to maybe cut an old blanket and make some sort of kick drum shaped cover that is nice on it.
very strange what i just described but guys it is awesome!!!!! i cant believe it either. i was watching a movie right now(blood and bones, awesome) and was playing double pedal the whole time. it feels amazing

and please stop laughing hehehe
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: roel on November 14, 2011, 06:02:51 AM
do you have a photo of it?
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on November 14, 2011, 07:19:29 AM
i can make a photo of my sweater or even better a video, but i am waiting my mum to make a proper cloth for it and then i iwll make a video of showing how it feels to slide with the cloth and without it, and also how it triggers (it triggers the same no miss hits). if you just want a photo of the sweater i can do it really soon, just tell me
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: rythm on November 14, 2011, 08:54:19 PM
Hi, where exactly did you put the sweater?
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on November 14, 2011, 10:13:41 PM
in front of the mesh head.i will post pics tomorrow
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on November 15, 2011, 11:50:20 AM
because you asked for it. if i do not fold in 2 the sweater, double triggering is eliminatedextreme bouncing as well. and it triggers fine. if i fold it in 2, it is even better, but then i have to adjust threshold etc. anyway one should make experiments. i do insist though, a sweater makes the kick pad aweszome. more test will be done soon. honestly sliding was fuckin bad without the sweater, now i love to kick.
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3840/15112011208.jpg)
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1460/15112011207.jpg)
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on November 15, 2011, 11:51:42 AM
dont laugh with my sleepers. they are better than playing with my socks when i wanna slide (always), and they are easier than wearing shoes...i know they are ugly...
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: roel on November 22, 2011, 06:54:44 PM
Hello Guys.

Today I modified my mk1 kickpad to a mk2 kickpad.Its more silent now.Iam not 100% satisfied with it,So iam gonna mount a 2ply drum-tec meshhead on it. cutting the black foam was a ......job! I need the foam from a mk2 kick.without foam the kickpad double triggers a lot.Iam gonna find out the best solution and let you know.

Greetings,
Roel. 
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on December 03, 2011, 11:43:17 AM
drum tec might be the best solution but it is way too expenseive. i still await my mon to finish what i told her to make. when it is done i will post better pictures and video
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: roel on January 12, 2012, 09:39:49 PM
 :drum2:Iam back to mk1 again, now I've go 2 mk1 kickpads with led light I post some photo's soon.
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on January 13, 2012, 12:21:47 AM
why are you back to mk1? in my opinion it is a bad move
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: edtc on January 13, 2012, 01:45:50 AM
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on January 13, 2012, 12:21:47 AM
why are you back to mk1? in my opinion it is a bad move

Because dutch 2boxers loves their bass drum light  !!
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on January 13, 2012, 02:58:27 AM
hahaha i like them wooly. here are the photos of what my mom made.i have it right now one theside with only one sleeve. on the back it can be much much thicker i hope the photos make it clear.
anyway you have to all know that the mesh head is very important. i have to admit the only bad thing about the drumit 5 is its heads. i have realised that. i got 2 new 2ply heads and now everyting is phenomenal. icant get better. i am in paradise

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1977/13012012527.jpg)
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9509/13012012528.jpg)
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3532/13012012530.jpg)
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Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: SHwoKing on January 13, 2012, 05:21:11 AM
Finally, we can see the chihuahua kick. It is ready for a cold winter. It seems like it is a double ply wool head, this should be patendted.
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on January 13, 2012, 08:47:30 AM
hahahaha cheers man
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: roel on January 13, 2012, 06:36:14 PM
Quote from: BURNIN AMBITION on January 13, 2012, 12:21:47 AM
why are you back to mk1? in my opinion it is a bad move

Yes we dutch 2box lovers are in love with that led light, and for me it plays well.
Its a bit louder but that isn't a issue for me, I will make some photo's soon it looks very cool.
Title: Re: my modified bassdrum
Post by: BURNIN AMBITION on January 13, 2012, 07:10:52 PM
well since i had both mk1 and mk2, i have to say, that in my feet, the mk1 was not good because it has unnatural rebound. because actually it was like hitting wood.. but then again mk2 with the 2box mesh is also not good.
i have found heaven
get a 2 ply mesh head (i got roland) put it in mk2 and then tell me if it is waaaaay better or not
also id like to reccomend to all to change the snare mesh as well. for me it is vital. i got the drum tech design mesh head and finally i have good rebound. with the 2box mesh i had trouble with paradiddles and stuff, there was way too much bounce and in great speeds it was an obstacle. of course i wont replace the tom mesh , i dont care for them  hehe
just my opinion guys