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2Box Drumit 5 Forum => Sharing drum sounds - wav / aiff / rex => Topic started by: makoki on November 13, 2017, 11:09:16 PM

Title: SD3 sound quality
Post by: makoki on November 13, 2017, 11:09:16 PM
Hi all,

I have started some testing on sD3 sounds conversion. At first glance, and compared with BFD, I need to say sound quality is far below than expected.

First thing is when comparing the sounds on SD3 ( no matter if through DAW or using the standalone VST SD3 application) with SDSE converted sounds. I see some noticeable deterioration, including significant noise in the samples. I use 16 bits conversion with mono output.

When going into the module, things are even worsening (I’m using same headphones as on PC, DrBeat brand, high quality and sensitivity) and even with some tweaking on EQ, difficulties to get proper quality. Sounds are muddy,noisy and even distorted in some case. Worst are cymbals, HH and specially snare.

I have flattening all mixer levels, removing bleeding and even simplifying mics routing to avoid side effects (for example, removing snare bottom); while some minor improvements, still far away when compared with BFD, original 2Box or even eNerd samples. No FX applied, no strange routing. Side by side no complex setups, to get as much quality samples as possible. Even compared with some old SD2 sounds, quality is below.

When hearing directly on the VST, quality is apparently good enough, but after conversion really disappointing.

Any similar experience? Do I’ m doing something wrong (bad routing, unprocessed samples)?

Thx in advance...
Title: Re: SD3 sound quality
Post by: Lustar on November 15, 2017, 08:44:08 PM
Hi makoki,

It's strange the converted samples should sound the same on the computer. Is SD3 set to cache the samples by any chance?
Which program did you use to listen to the .dsnd on the computer? If it was the 2box Editor please try with DKit Manager and DSoundTool.

In SD3 make sure that the volume is not set too high or much too low before exporting (although the samples are rendered in 24-bit). I would also try disabling the Mono option just in case.

Are the sounds played at the same volume in SD3 and when listening to the exported samples? Is it with the SD3 core library or with EZX packs? Some EZX packs were known to contain noisy samples and it was more noticeable once converted because the samples are louder in the .dsnd.

Does it do the same if you export from SD2?
Title: Re: SD3 sound quality
Post by: Deve Loper on November 15, 2017, 11:11:55 PM
As I made the dsnd format RIFF compatible,  you can play dsnd files in any program which can handle wav files. Just (temporarily) change the file extension to .wav.
Note that only the hardest hit should have max amplitude.
Also, the pitch may be lower so as to allow pitching up in the DrumIt module.
Title: Re: SD3 sound quality
Post by: Lustar on November 15, 2017, 11:31:34 PM
Right, the pitch, it could be it if it's set to a high value. Check that Max Tune is disabled in Options / Convert (it's disabled by default).
Title: Re: SD3 sound quality
Post by: edcito on August 17, 2018, 07:40:20 AM
This problem has gone away in the drumit 3, I can confirm it and reconfirm it. SD3 sounds awesome.