I've tested the drums in the Helsinki's soundata music shop & I have to say that the stand of the drums looks massive but it's really weak and seems unstable. On finnish music forum a lot of people who tested the same drums were also disappointed with the quality of the stand. Does anyone knows is there going to be some improvements in the final version of the stand?
P.S. Drums look amazing... can't wait to buy one ;;
Quote from: ber0ni on July 27, 2009, 10:34:43 AM
I've tested the drums in the Helsinki's soundata music shop & I have to say that the stand of the drums looks massive but it's really weak and seems unstable. On finnish music forum a lot of people who tested the same drums were also disappointed with the quality of the stand. Does anyone knows is there going to be some improvements in the final version of the stand?
P.S. Drums look amazing... can't wait to buy one ;;
Hi ber0ni
You say that the stand seems unstable? Did you have any problems with it? Did the stand fall over? I am just trying to get to the bottom of where you say it seems unstable?
Also how far out where the arms on the kit? Because the one we have here is 4ft wide. I don't suppose you have any pictures of the setup do you?
I would like to go back to 2box with all this user feedback.
Thanks for any help :)
Scott
Quote from: Travis182 on July 27, 2009, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: ber0ni on July 27, 2009, 10:34:43 AM
I've tested the drums in the Helsinki's soundata music shop & I have to say that the stand of the drums looks massive but it's really weak and seems unstable. On finnish music forum a lot of people who tested the same drums were also disappointed with the quality of the stand. Does anyone knows is there going to be some improvements in the final version of the stand?
P.S. Drums look amazing... can't wait to buy one ;;
The guy must have been playing it like a complete animal then as it doesn't seem to be moving much in any of the videos on there website!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3IsZclu8Ng
Video with double bass off of there website!
Maybe I sometimes get carried away while playing but my roland can handle it ;) Actualy I was calm while playing the 2box and even though the stand looks massive and heavy it feels like cheap plastic...I'm sorry this may seem harsh but that's the truth. The stand was also waving/moving alot if you try to shake it and also during the playing the pads were also shaking a littlebit. It's possible that guys in the stoore haven't mounted it correctly...but it will be shame if the stand ruins the greatness of the drums. Unfortunately I don't have any pictures of the stores setup :( but this was not the only negative thing about the drums. Also basspedal and hihat didn't impressed me much but that something I'm willing to upgrade. When it comes to the module it was a little bit slow but after all it has some great tunes....So basicly hardware sucks :'( but everything else is great ;) It's a beauty...
WOW I'm kinda shocked by your comment about the Unit. I haven't experienced any slow down from the Unit at all, and was very surprised at just how quick you can navigate through the menus. I will see if i can get a video for people to see it in action.
The stand is made out of a light weight aluminum, which is geared towards people that need to move the kit around a lot for gigs and stuff like that. I'm not sure in what situation you will be standing there shaking the stand to make it move, but each to there own i guess. When playing the kit the stand has never caused me any problems what so ever.
With the pedals we wanted to make sure that someone could take the kit home and play it right out of the box. We fully expect end users and professionals to use their own favourite pedals, but there is a complete solution there if you don't want to.
Can i just ask how long you played the kit for ber0ni?
I will see if i can get a video of the Unit for people to see how quickly you can move through the menus.
Thanks
Scott
Hey Guys
Well i got a quick video of me running through the menus. It's not the best quality or the most amazing video in the world, but i think it shows in my opinion how quick the unit is!
http://hinh.blip.tv/ (http://hinh.blip.tv/)
Quote from: Scottie on July 27, 2009, 07:38:11 PM
Hey Guys
Well i got a quick video of me running through the menus. It's not the best quality or the most amazing video in the world, but i think it shows in my opinion how quick the unit is!
http://hinh.blip.tv/ (http://hinh.blip.tv/)
Actually, I can only agree with this! More than the speed of the menu, though, I am interested in seeing this beast in action! ;) When do you think will it be possible to get a video of this?
Grazie e ciao,
Carlo.
Quote from: Scottie on July 27, 2009, 07:38:11 PM
Hey Guys
Well i got a quick video of me running through the menus. It's not the best quality or the most amazing video in the world, but i think it shows in my opinion how quick the unit is!
http://hinh.blip.tv/ (http://hinh.blip.tv/)
I probably didn't expressed myself right in english...what I ment is that unit that I've tested was tilting when you change kits fast...e.c. when you jump from kit number 1 to 10 it takes a while until you get any sound from the drums. You can say it was quick overlook of the drums but in that half hour or more I've noticed that drumit compared to my ex roland 12 which I sold to ge this drum is not perfect like nothing else is. I've stated it before that I'm willing to uprgade and use my own hardware (basspedal, hihat stand...) & when it comes to stand I just hope that people don't dissapoint with it like I did...compared to the stand i had with roland i would never use it to gig :(
Me again ....my suggestion is to uprgade or fix any faults that you come around before realisng the drums to the market....I think that if you add extra 200 € to the price of the drums you can actually make customers satisfy with the product and have perfect set of the drums. In Finland the price is now 2190 € and UK is less than 2000€...you get my point 8)
Quote from: ber0ni on July 28, 2009, 05:36:03 AM
I probably didn't expressed myself right in english...what I ment is that unit that I've tested was tilting when you change kits fast...e.c. when you jump from kit number 1 to 10 it takes a while until you get any sound from the drums. You can say it was quick overlook of the drums but in that half hour or more I've noticed that drumit compared to my ex roland 12 which I sold to ge this drum is not perfect like nothing else is. I've stated it before that I'm willing to uprgade and use my own hardware (basspedal, hihat stand...) & when it comes to stand I just hope that people don't dissapoint with it like I did...compared to the stand i had with roland i would never use it to gig :(
Hi ber0ni
The sounds take half a second to load when you select it.
Here is another video of the kit loading the sounds. Once again in my opinion this is very quick to load a whole sound set! It would take you more then half a second to move your hand over to the Unit and select the sound you want. Also you have to take in to consideration the quality and size of the sounds being loaded in half a second, and this isn't even version 1.0 of the OS yet.
http://blip.tv/file/2410068 (http://blip.tv/file/2410068) (Sound quality is just off of the monitors we have setup)
Just thought i would note that I'm not playing the drum here. I have the camera and changing the sounds, and my colleague is hitting the pad.Also ber0ni would you be able to PM me with a link to the finnish music forum?
Thanks for your feedback with the kit, i will pass it on to the team at 2box.
Regards
Scott
I've just watched the video....that was fast shifting ;) The modul I played did'nt even had so many kits in memory...most of them were blank...but still the sound delay was longer then in your video. Is it possible that drums in Helsinki are older version than yours?
Also what is the size of the pads? In FI there was 12" snare 3x 10" toms and 14" bass.
Quote from: ber0ni on July 28, 2009, 11:41:29 AM
I've just watched the video....that was fast shifting ;) The modul I played did'nt even had so many kits in memory...most of them were blank...but still the sound delay was longer then in your video. Is it possible that drums in Helsinki are older version than yours?
Also what is the size of the pads? In FI there was 12" snare 3x 10" toms and 14" bass.
Hi ber0ni
You have just jogged my memory. That kit is a pre-production model that you played. I remember reading some where about a kit being in a store in Finland, and i spoke to Bengt at 2box, and he confirmed that it was a pre-production model.
Hopefully soon you will be able to give a production model a try, and play around with the new sound sets.
Regards
Scott
I think the rack is just fine. Although it vibrates a lot, it doesn't actually move. Sure, the toms move somewhat but it really doesn't disturb you when you play. I tried playing on the rack toms with my eyes closed and I didn't miss a single time. The only real problem is that you get some crosstalk, but tweaking and putting the cymbals on seperate stands takes care of that really.
I can´t understand this discussion about the Rack. Did no one of you ever played an Acoustic-Drum on Rims with Yamaha- Hardware (Tomholder) (for Example). There is no Difference!
POINT
Theo
Quote from: TrommelTheo on August 03, 2009, 08:02:21 PM
I can´t understand this discussion about the Rack. Did no one of you ever played an Acoustic-Drum on Rims with Yamaha- Hardware (Tomholder) (for Example). There is no Difference!
POINT
Theo
Nope, pearl hardware all the way ;)
*lol*only the Tomholder with short booms ;) i´ve sold enough drums in my live on over 1.000 squaremeters ;D
Theo
I´ve tested the Kit today in Paderborn... it sounds great, unfortunalty (is it right written?*lol*) i ´ve had no time to make a good lineup of teh Set to play it like i normaly do...
But!!!!!
PLEASE!!!!
let the HiHat Stand and BD-Pedal away from the Kit, this things hurts, cause they remember me to my first Drumset in 1982 for over 1.000 German Marks (was very much money in that time, like 3.000 Euro now and for a Drum you would get for 200 Euros today!!!) and that Pedal have been much better than that one of the Drumit 5!!! That are only Toys, nothing to use on a Drum. ::)
The Rack... mh, many ppl told that the Rack is not that stable. If you will have a heavy underground like Betonfloor it will work, but i don´t think that it will do on a wooden stage in a Party-Tent. If you take the left end of the rack and shake it to left and right, the hole system swings very ugly. :'(
The Tomholder-Balls (this black one Balls) are made in hard PVC (Polyvinylchlorid) so i´m afraid, they will break down in a few years, Polyurethan (not the foam) would be a better material. ???
The Pads are very solid, they weigth more than i ´ve guessed ;) and no Pylons in the middle ;D they are playable very good.
So if 2Box will do something to this Points it will be a Kit that is not only a Roland and Yammy-Beater in playability and sounds. So i Have to say: GO! 2Box!
Theo
Quote from: TrommelTheo on August 18, 2009, 09:25:05 PM
PLEASE!!!!
let the HiHat Stand and BD-Pedal away from the Kit
I totally agree with Theo on this...bring the price up & add some quality HiHat & pedal, or leave them out of kit and drop the price ;)
No, I don´t agree with you, berOni, Footpedal and HiHat - Stand are mor an individual thing, so it would be better to sell it without Pedal and Stand.
It is necessary to give the Set a good and stabel Rack and massive Tomholder and Screws!!!
Theo
BTW:
never the less: I still wanna have one!!!!! ;D
Theo
Let's make compromise ;)....sell them with option to choose whether you want the kit with or without pedal & hihat...
Quote from: TrommelTheo on August 20, 2009, 04:15:49 AM
BTW:
never the less: I still wanna have one!!!!! ;D
Theo
Heheh me to...already placed an order :)
The rack look and feels like a toy
But in one way or another: it works
Not sure if I am gonna gig with it live
Quote from: puttenvr on August 20, 2009, 06:18:05 AM
The rack look and feels like a toy
But in one way or another: it works
Not sure if I am gonna gig with it live
I went about week ago to test the drums again....after adjusting them to my own taste i got them working great....stand was stable & perfect for the homeuse but it's definately not for gigging...:(
I must say I'm very happy with both the rack and the pedals. I'm only using my kit at home at the moment and it's been very nice to get a complete working kit out of the box.
I'm sure they'll start selling the individual components later on so everybody can be happy :-)
I ´ll going and mount it on a Dixon or Gibralta Rack´, the Sanre will stand on his own massive stand, causei ve tested the Set again today and the Screw from that "T" above has loosen. I wouldn´t be happy to ffit it for 3 or 4 times on a Gig. The Rack seems not ok for gigging and Pedals an Snarestand must come from an other manufacturer, sorry... but i´m playing nearly every Weekend in from May to August so i must have Hardware i can trust in. If i will change the Tomholder.... hm, we will see...
Theo
Well now that I'm on here (I've been following this forum secretly as a guest :P), I might as well begin writing about my impressions on the Drumit Five.
The store which I normally go to buy muy stuff finally got the demo kit!
As I sat down on the kit it really seemed interesting. I noticed that all of the pads and cymbals were bigger than I had imagined, which is a huge plus in my eyes 'cause I can't stand those tiny Roland pads :P I started playing and realized that the whole thing was moving! I was quite surprised because the pictures we've seen thus far IMHO portray a robust and sturdy Drumkit... well... that was not the case! We've all realised this already anyway. Some say that it will probably not withstand a live performance, and sadly I have to agree with this! What I would really imagine doing with this kit is to mount the pads on my A-kit for live playing. The Drumit five kit I would probably only use for practicing. Actually the fact that the rack wobbles does NOT concern me! I think that it could very well withstand some rough playing, allthough the plastic balls in the joints are probably the first to break as mentioned by others before.
What really pissed me off was the clutch of the Hihat!!! Damn... WTF is up with that?!?!?! I could not play with my left foot without having to adjust the clutch every ten seconds!!!!! Where the hell was this thing made?!?!?! It reminds me of the drumkit Aldi had for sale a few months ago!!! >:(
Other than that everything seemed fine, allthough the kit which I played was not calibrated properly. I cannot complain about the pedals though. The Drumit bundle offers SO MUCH for that amount of money... I'm so glad that there's a realistic alternative for Roland!!!
Theo is right, there should be a way to offer the kit without the pedals... I mean, most of us probably will use other pedals (e.g. twin pedals etc.) right?
My expectations were not met, nonetheless I am a big fan of this kit because I recognize its potential and I will do my very best to get a kit myself!
Cheers!
Quote from: Scarred25 on August 21, 2009, 02:55:09 AM
The Drumit bundle offers SO MUCH for that amount of money... I'm so glad that there's a realistic alternative for Roland!!!
I agree on that
For only 2000 euros you will have a complete kit. At Roland we get a td-20 module for that money
Even when we add new hardware (say 500 euros) then the 2Box will cost 2500 euros (I can count ...) where the
Roland TD-20 will cost you 5000 euro. With lame sounds, bad dynamics and no updates ...
I tested the set in the Soundata shop in Helsinki like ber0ni, and I think I won't have problems with the rack. The pads do swing a bit when you hit them, but that will definitely not hinder my playing. If you grab the rack and shake it, it will shake but who really does that? I can't imagine that the set would fall over while you play it or something like that.
I plan to use the set mainly in my appartment, though. I can see that those of you who want to have it on a tour want to be sure it can stand it. But hey, this set costs 2000 euros. Add some hardware to that and it'll still beat the Rolands. If it feels stupid to buy the whole set with everything in it, you have been said to wait until the 2box is available without the hardware. Well, I couldn't wait that long. ;)
I have great news from drum-tec.de (germany) that the drumit five is full compatible with a roland td12 stand.
thats great!
no reactions on this, how is that possible? so every 2box user is happy with the stand that comes with the drum-it five?
I think it's not so bad afterall :drum2:
In my opinion the stand is absolutely fine. I've played on it for months now and I haven't had one single problem with it.
Quote from: thijs on December 03, 2009, 11:04:42 AM
In my opinion the stand is absolutely fine. I've played on it for months now and I haven't had one single problem with it.
yes you are correct the stand is fine I also don't have any problems with it so that's a good point.
Reading the posts here before I got my Drumit Five kit I was curious if I had to bring separate stands for the hihat and snare when gigging. I took a shot and went all the way original for my first gig with the kit and had absolutely no problems and all. The rack is great for live use, I even tend to "forget" my regular kick pedals (I used to be very sensitive when it comes to kick pedals) and use 2box - it´s not the best but works surprisingly well.