Look @ this
http://www.atvcorporation.com/en/products/drums/ad5/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LE0xA0yHvMk
Yeah, I've been following it since the early rumors. I'll check it out at NAMM (2 weeks away) and try to get as many specifics as possible. J
Looks like Mr. K is back in business after Roland made him retire.
I see an SD card slot and USB on the back, with the familiar DB25 from the TD-9, and two aux trigger connectors, so we are talking TD-9 amount of trigger inputs (which is approximately the same as the drumit5). Is it co-incidence the model number is aD5?
The only questions I have are: are the sounds real samples, and can users can upload their own.
The ATV-link connector intrigues me. Maybe you can put two modules together (or an expander) with a cat5 cable and double your inputs while retaining control from one module...
Yeah sounds great. But, td9 level but a much better sounding module. If that's the sounds from the module we are hearing that is. How many are there on the module and expandability are my first questions. Also what sort of price bracket would these retail for I wonder?
Japanese so $$$$$
I saw $750 USD on a facebook post, could be accurate or just a rumor. It is listed at Drum-Tec without pricing. Mike Snyder mentioned "uncompressed WAVs", but that doesn't mean much on it's own. I posted this at vdrums.com:
Obviously the video is just a pre-release teaser which seems to be popular these days.... release some teasers in the days leading up to the shows and build interest. Important is just how much onboard memory there is for those "uncompressed WAVs", how many individual samples per instrument articulation it can handle, and if it can play without the dreaded machine gun effect. Cold, hard, statistics is what I need. I can tell more from knowing how many layers are possible for each instrument and how much onboard and flash memory is available when looking at a module that can play back samples than watching a 1 minute teaser video. It is no small task to reproduce instruments with a large no. of unique samples per articulation without noticeable latency or backing up and crashing the module or corrupting the memory. As far as Round Robin goes that becomes more important with a smaller amount of unique individual samples. If this is another module that is only capable of 8 or less unique samples per instrument it is of little interest, at least to me. So, most likely we will need to wait for the show to find out the real scoop.
Oh, and the module evidently can have 5 kits onboard at a time. Probably the reason for the SD and the USB stick ... 5 kits in the module via SD with additional kits on the USB that could be traded in is probably what is happening. seems similar to NFUZD in some aspects .....
Interesting we have to wait for more information...
Quote from: roel on January 08, 2016, 12:42:17 PM
Interesting we have to wait for more information...
That's refreshing! Other forums and FB groups feel no need to wait for information, preferring to speculate and criticise before they have the facts!!
Quote from: digitalDrummer on January 12, 2016, 01:54:23 AM
That's refreshing! Other forums and FB groups feel no need to wait for information, preferring to speculate and criticise before they have the facts!!
What do you want me to say... I'am not excited about the site.
Hope the module will have a good price and that you can use your own samples.
Quote from: digitalDrummer on January 12, 2016, 01:54:23 AM
That's refreshing! Other forums and FB groups feel no need to wait for information, preferring to speculate and criticise before they have the facts!!
2Box owners are in general more confident and not desparate about e-drums compared to other gear users. :P
Quote from: digitalDrummer on January 12, 2016, 01:54:23 AM
That's refreshing! Other forums and FB groups feel no need to wait for information, preferring to speculate and criticise before they have the facts!!
Yeah Allan, I resemble that remark and quite like some premature speculation about new gear. Although I try to reserve any criticism until it's released and get some user feedback or try it out myself.
For example I bought an Akai MPX16 to trigger drum samples and loops via Midi, not expecting they might 'limit' it for that purpose. Maybe that's why I tend to look for potential limitations in new modules (like the TD-25), using the Drumit-5 as a benchmark.
I'll try to refrain from speculating on reasons for the Drumit-3 delay and just wait patiently for its release.
Btw from another Aussie, thanks for the heads-up about the 'aD5' module and all the useful info in your digitaldrummer mags.
latest video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqSHH-YV5BQ&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
is the guy drunk ? :o
I can't judge the sound quality and dynamics on this video
On vdrums.com they can
But
- what a bla bla talk movie
- where is the hihat playing?
- three zone ride?
- brushes playing?
- rim click and rim shot?
Well, we wait and see
From the specs it looks like the Toms are single zone, because the list indicates the inputs/instruments with 2 or 3 zones. Kick, Toms and the HH controller no. If that is the case it seems like you would not have the option of splitting the toms like on the 2Box module to create more inputs. And with only 2 outputs that would also be quite a limitation. I'll try to get as many specifics at NAMM as they care to share.
Well there's a DB25 on the back and a couple of aux trigger inputs, exactly the same setup as the TD-9 I had, and that had dual-zone toms, but being piezo-switch you couldn't split them anyway.
Quote from: Coda on January 14, 2016, 05:44:31 PM
Well there's a DB25 on the back and a couple of aux trigger inputs, exactly the same setup as the TD-9 I had, and that had dual-zone toms, but being piezo-switch you couldn't split them anyway.
Actually the TD-9 like most of the newer Roland modules since the TD-20, the tom inputs and aux inputs will take Piezo/Piezo pads. The rim zone is not independent though like the 2Box module. For Roland modules the Rim zone is tied to the head zone, if the head piezo receives no vibration when the rim is struck you would get nothing. That is why splitting the input and putting the pads separated from one another won't work. But the special splitter works reasonably well which uses a resistor between tip and ring allowing the rim pad to be separated from the head pad. http://www.vdrums.com/forum/advanced/diy/22185-splitter-for-dual-piezo-inputs-aka-spd-30-td-9-11-12-15-20-30-aux-tom-splitter
Roland rendered the special splitter useless on the new TD-25 by eliminating the choice of setting any sound for the rim zone of your pads. Now in their infinite wisdom Roland has decided to decide for you, by giving you no choice in the matter. So if you would rather have a cowbell or tambourine or splash, etc. etc. instead of a rim click on your tom rim ...... sorry, Roland does not allow that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=FuvCJGlVZNQ&app=desktop
I mean, pre-release video demos are usually pretty vague about actual statistics .... but the whole thing about playing the sounds with no noticeable latency is what we have been doing with the 2Box since it was released! I would have to guess Mike has never played the 2Box. What I am more interested in is the real stats, like how many velocity layers can be used per instrument, how much memory is there, are those 2 individual outs the limit for output? Are the tom inputs mono or splittable TRS? ...... ya know, the real nuts and bolts about what this module really is. If it is another system similar to what NFUZD released with a limit of 8 velocity layers per instrument ..... well, it won't even come close to what we have in the 2Box.
But even the Roland's don't have any speakable latency, so I guess he hasn't played them either. Which is strange as I get the idea he was a v-drums sponsor or something.
Quote from: Coda on January 16, 2016, 08:13:04 PM
But even the Roland's don't have any speakable latency, so I guess he hasn't played them either. Which is strange as I get the idea he was a v-drums sponsor or something.
Mike has been playing Roland for years. He was one of their key demonstrators and just recently returned his TD-30 kit after ending his relationship with Roland.
Quote from: digitalDrummer on January 17, 2016, 12:48:22 AM
Mike has been playing Roland for years. He was one of their key demonstrators and just recently returned his TD-30 kit after ending his relationship with Roland.
Surely he didn't end the relationship cos his TD-30 was laggy? :D
price 1300 euros
http://www.drum-tec.de/product_question.php?products_id=2826
Or 800 ex VAT ??
http://atveurope.com/music/ad5
WTF does "“Pure Audio†output quality" mean? I see a whole page of text that says nothing.
Then a page that says lists some interesting items (interesting for different reasons):
SNARE (3 Zones) [really?]
TOM 1-3 .... [no zones?]
HI-HAT (2 Zones) [hmm ok]
CRASH (2 Zones) [nope]
OUTPUT L/R: Mono phone x 2 [not in 2016 thank you]
ATV LINK: RJ45 LAN connector [looks like it will be necessary for more inputs, so buy another #1300 euro module]
Still I guess I'm nit picking. The important things will be trigger response time, what quality samples it takes, how many layers, whether these can be user created/loaded with a simple operation, and whether it can use bog-standard off-the-shelf SDCards.
Quote from: Coda on January 17, 2016, 01:38:02 PM
Surely he didn't end the relationship cos his TD-30 was laggy? :D
Maybe Mike is affiliated with Roland indirectly as ATV(Atelier Vision Corporation) was established by Roland in 2005: http://www.roland.com/company/history
http://www.audiotechnology.com.au/wp/index.php/rolands-founder-returns/
I guess the aD5 is being released with an ATV logo to market test their 'next-gen' module (with future options via ATV Link).
I still haven't understood whether ATV also produces their own pads to go with this module, or what set is Mike playing in those videos?
Looks like Roland pads to me.
Drum pads are from Drum Tec
Sorry, when he said 'Pads' I read 'Cymbals' lol.
My first impression was the cymbals were Rolands, but watching again, I think there is a mixture there of Yammies and Rolands.
Yep
Just back from demo at NAMM. It's a pretty impressive unit. Nice build quality and 11 trigger inputs. It looks like it will work wiTh both Roland and Yamaha style triggers (pads and cymbal's).
It is currently in a very basic state and strictly a sample player. There really aren't any onboard sound modifiers in the software but I expect they are coming. It is unclear how new samples are loaded into the unit. However I can say that the samples have multi level playback (no modeling) and that the software allows 127 multi samples per trigger. Only the snare and ride cymbal pads offer 3 zone patches. All the others are 2 zone.
I was surprised at the small physical size. It's less than half the size of the 2box system. So I think it has a long way to go with the firmware... But it has interesting bones for sure.
Thanks for the initial report.
Yeah, I got some time with them in the ATV booth, known Mike for years, so it was good seeing him on board with them. As far as how many samples, and that kind of specifics ..... those aren't really being disclosed. If they mentioned 127 ..... that is simply a figure which means there are generally 127 ... actually 128 MIDI note no. velocity levels that note nos. are assigned to. So even though a module can play back a sample of any velocity level up to 127/128 ...... that doesn't mean there will be that many velocity samples on board for each instrument ...... Not even close from what I am guessing. Anyway, very much of this at this point is TBD ..... To Be Determined ..... I was giving the guys from Japan a hard time in the booth joking they should rename the company TBD instead of ATV. ;)
But joking aside, I did sit down and play the kit and I felt like it played pretty nice. The sounds are definitely sample based, less processed than your typical edrum module (except 2Box of course). The MAP will be $1099 US. 5 kits is what it has on board and what it will ship with. Another TBD is whether you will be able to download new sounds for free, or via buying more kits, etc.
The Cat5 connector is also a ??? for now. I suggested they should really utilize that for adding more potential outputs ...... I mean 2 outs just doesn't cut it IMO, except maybe for someone practicing at home. And that connector could make a big difference if the potential were tapped into.
AFAIK, there are NO splittable inputs, so what you see is what you get. The tom inputs are single zone.
No reverb, room, or processing effects on board as mentioned already.
As a 2Box user that really has delved into the potential of the 2Box module I am not one that would be won over easily and this will have no real draw for me....... Let's face it guys, we are spoiled!!!
But as I have posted already, this is another good indication that the edrum industry is finally "getting it" with the potential to utilize the real sample based kits.
Yes, I recall hearing there were only 5 kits onboard. I asked how much internal sample memory the was but was told that was still a secret. However I did hear that the 5 loaded kits was only using up 15% of the internal storage.
I thought the sound was very high quality and there was no machine gunning as far as I could tell.
But yes, it is still very early on in the overall development. Lots of potential here, but I'll be waiting for rev2.
Quote from: dboomer on January 24, 2016, 04:00:43 AM
Yes, I recall hearing there were only 5 kits onboard. I asked how much internal sample memory the was but was told that was still a secret. However I did hear that the 5 loaded kits was only using up 15% of the internal storage.
I thought the sound was very high quality and there was no machine gunning as far as I could tell.
But yes, it is still very early on in the overall development. Lots of potential here, but I'll be waiting for rev2.
Yeah, it does tick some of the important boxes ..... and after using the 2Box and building lots of really incredible instruments/kits ...... well, we are a pretty tough audience .... ;D
Quote from: Jman on January 24, 2016, 04:24:55 AM
well, we are a pretty tough audience .... ;D
Well it's all started with PC VST\Samples Standard, without them I am not sure how the Edrum Market would be right now, they really set new way for edrum and the bar high against limited Drum sound module stock sound, it's became near a.... when comparing the sound, it would still be the same like before without 2box? PC ruined Hardware Multitrack recorder sales and hardware production since PC\MAC Music soft came so popular, most record with them now from computer...
For me Module which don't deliver what 2box or capable to imports sound with at least considerable of samples, its just a kind of back to 10 years ago once again, unless you use it for practice and don't care about layers and plastic\machine sounds..
something is cooking over there at their website, it's already listed as 'in stock' and â,¬815 ex VAT.
http://atveurope.com/ad5 (http://atveurope.com/ad5)
You cannot order it though, there's no order button yet. At least their website is nice and is being updated, not like 2box.se which still lists the Musikmesse 2012 on its front page LOL....
Quote from: edcito on January 25, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
something is cooking over there at their website, it's already listed as 'in stock' and â,¬815 ex VAT.
http://atveurope.com/ad5 (http://atveurope.com/ad5)
You cannot order it though, there's no order button yet. At least their website is nice and is being updated, not like 2box.se which still lists the Musikmesse 2012 on its front page LOL....
That would be trade price, for dealer orders, I suspect.
These video show how much sample have on each zone, no hiding sensitivity tweak, direct result.
http://youtu.be/LtEFCj0LJH8
http://youtu.be/-t2zy_bpMvs
http://youtu.be/ginEief1DcE
Quote from: chris k on February 15, 2016, 07:52:52 PM
These video show how much sample have on each zone, no hiding sensitivity tweak, direct result.
http://youtu.be/LtEFCj0LJH8
http://youtu.be/-t2zy_bpMvs
http://youtu.be/ginEief1DcE
hi ....
the links arent working .... it says it s a private video ...
Quote from: edtc on February 15, 2016, 11:09:23 PM
hi ....
the links arent working .... it says it s a private video ...
Allan removed them, it was him doing the demo, there was test video..
Sorry, the video was meant to be private. I am in the process of putting together a review video and wanted to check the set up, especially YouTube's compression effect because all of the current videos do not reflect what I was hearing from the module.
The final version should be back soon.
By the way, Chris, what do you mean by "no hiding sensitivity tweak"?
Quote from: digitalDrummer on February 16, 2016, 04:22:48 AM
Chris, what do you mean by "no hiding sensitivity tweak"?
By setting the sensitivities to almost never heard the single harder shot sample on normal playing and when you play louder, the same single samples appears in repetition, I can do this with Roland as well, by setting the pad to works like this and added using compression to reduce attack of the harder shot on the Td-15 tom \snare sound which sound way better and less hard attack sound sample. But in reality, I still have about 3 samples layers on snares and toms.
FYI, I contacted ATV with a couple questions:
1) Do they intend to add more kits and if so would they be free to up-grade? Their response was that they have not yet decided on more kits. So I guess until they decide the cost question is moot.
2) Could they provide a list of aD5-compatible hi-hats? They sent me the following link which covers more than only the hats... http://www.atvcorporation.com/en/products/drums/ad5/file/360/ad5_pad_compatibility_en01.pdf According to that sheet the best hi-hat for the aD5 is Roland's VH-11.
3) I also asked about the snare zones - does it trigger three sounds.ie: "head", "rim" and "head+rim" (rim shot). They didn't respond to that question at all. Possibly a language issue as they're in Japan.
Before I heard back from them I also contacted Mike Snyder via Facebook and asked him a few questions which he graciously replied to: https://www.facebook.com/MikeSnyderDrums/posts/1140274235996932?comment_id=1140441405980215¬if_t=feed_comment
edit: Mike confirmed that new kits and sounds will definitely be added.
So aD5 is still a potential option for me. 2Box may be the better choice though but I've more-or-less taken KAT's rubber pads out of the race and am re-visiting mesh heads.
While surfing around I came across a mesh head kit which has me intrigued. It's "Go edrum" from Taiwan and is Roland-compatible so should therefore be aD5-compatible too; theoretically at least. Cost effective, good sizes and the kick pad is well secured. Just add the aD5 and a VH-11 and I'd be up and running. Maybe do the perforated cymbal thing later on.
Anyway, just thought I'd pass this along.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926461875?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Quote from: Drumster on February 18, 2016, 07:42:33 PM
While surfing around I came across a mesh head kit which has me intrigued. It's "Go edrum" from Taiwan and is Roland-compatible so should therefore be aD5-compatible too; theoretically at least. Cost effective, good sizes and the kick pad is well secured. Just add the aD5 and a VH-11 and I'd be up and running. Maybe do the perforated cymbal thing later on.
Anyway, just thought I'd pass this along.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926461875?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I just Read all their pad are compatible with Roland module as well, nice price as well..
Also the HIHAT controller compatible with Roland, Alesis and Pearl Live
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Goedrum-Electronic-Hi-Hat-Controller-GHC-for-eDrum-/221631704295
I reviewed the Goedrum snare in the February edition and the HH controller in the November edition. I am testing the aD5 with the Goedrum hi-hat set-up and it's perfectly compatible.
When I asked at NAMM I was told that there were only two 3-zone inputs... Snare drum and ride cymbal.
Quote from: dboomer on February 19, 2016, 06:22:39 AM
When I asked at NAMM I was told that there were only two 3-zone inputs... Snare drum and ride cymbal.
That's interesting. I re-watched some of Mike's vids and he's definitely getting a rim shot out of that module. I don't mind single zone toms - personally, am not into bells, whistles and dog barking sounds. ;)
Quote from: digitalDrummer on February 19, 2016, 02:51:10 AM
I reviewed the Goedrum snare in the February edition and the HH controller in the November edition. I am testing the aD5 with the Goedrum hi-hat set-up and it's perfectly compatible.
That's excellent news! Is the aD5 review done and available yet?
Mine arrives on sat, after some time with it ill give a review.
Here fact from the Module, hope the this video will clear many thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9hbVeXQN0c
It's nothing about VST\2box module nothing close to 0.1%, from one to many video showed, less then 4 samples for tom and snare exactly like Roland, same sound and get repeated, about 2 samples for cymbal.
The VST and 2box are not related on this module because it's not even 0.1% close, we are talking about 127 layers vs less then 4, Typical Module of the Market.
Quote from: chris k on February 19, 2016, 05:05:14 PM
Here fact from the Module, hope the this video will clear many thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9hbVeXQN0c
It's nothing about VST\2box module nothing close to 0.1%, from one to many video showed, less then 4 samples for tom and snare exactly like Roland, same sound and get repeated, about 2 samples for cymbal.
The VST and 2box are not related on this module because it's not even 0.1% close, we are talking about 127 layers vs less then 4, Typical Module of the Market.
I see/hear a guy playing (quite well!) and I see some Japanese sub titles. Where do you get that there's less than four layers etc in the aD5?
Quote from: Drumster on February 19, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
I see/hear a guy playing (quite well!) and I see some Japanese sub titles. Where do you get that there's less than four layers etc in the aD5?
You don't heard the same sample? its quite evident on the low mid and high stroke, its all the same sample played for the related intensity strike, very easy to remember them to the ears, exact same ring, same attack\tone\frequency etc. you can record them in wav and notice the sample pretty easily, cymbal are even more easier to notice them. Same issue as Roland\Yamaha\Alesis, extreme low amount of sample which make sound repeated on faster playing and harder, no round robin\multisamples\ anything like 2box\VST.
These is the same result as Roland\Yamaha\Alesis Video which I tested all on local store and in some situation even worst result, video for all module are here to show overall capability which don't lie.
Remember this module came from one Ex Roland team..
OK. I hear through my imac's little speakers and you could be right. Still, I'd rather see the specs before making such a call.
I called Kraft music and although they're offering on a "pre-order" basis, I was told they really have no idea when they'll have any units for sale. Possibly Spring or Summer so for me that pretty well takes aD5 out of the running.
Quote from: Drumster on February 19, 2016, 08:20:13 PM
OK. I hear through my imac's little speakers and you could be right. Still, I'd rather see the specs before making such a call.
I called Kraft music and although they're offering on a "pre-order" basis, I was told they really have no idea when they'll have any units for sale. Possibly Spring or Summer so for me that pretty well takes aD5 out of the running.
They wont ever write this on the spec, same as Roland\Yamaha, it's sales stopper right here, you don't need to see it on paper, ears is the fact, Same as Roland\Yamaha\Alesis, it's evident they are limited on same sample range when you can see apple and candy with VST\2BOX
Frankly, for myself, the aD5's wide dynamic range, low latency and actual samples are more important than simply loads of samples.
I used my phones and re-listened to those videos; sounds may not vary much from hit to hit but they do sound pretty nice to my old tinnitus-impaired ears.
Having said that, I don't know if I'm willing to wait for months on end for the thing to arrive... which seems to bring me right back to 2Box! :-)
Quote from: Drumster on February 19, 2016, 10:12:20 PM
Frankly, for myself, the aD5's wide dynamic range, low latency and actual samples are more important than simply loads of samples.
I used my phones and re-listened to those videos; sounds may not vary much from hit to hit but they do sound pretty nice to my old tinnitus-impaired ears.
Having said that, I don't know if I'm willing to wait for months on end for the thing to arrive... which seems to bring me right back to 2Box! :-)
Keep your 2box :)
Dynamic range, it's either mid sound sample most of the time, or hard\soft sound one samples, like roller coaster. The toms are all single zone (not dual), the USB midi is not working at all, until firmware update this can take lots of time, some modules ship with noisy issue outputs have to resend to the store, no editing of sounds.
Funny what is happening, "my product is better then others for all latest EDRUM released on the market" Most EX employees Like, Mike Snyder (ex Roland had to ship his td-30 kit to Roland before he leave the boat) now promoting ATV AD5, Steve fisher Ex Roland now with Yamaha, Jonnhy Rab Ex Roland, now with NFUZD, they are all in competitive and in contradiction with them self for what they have said in the past, they read text already write and said much as good as they can to promote the module\kit, Everything they said it's just copy and paste from papers product campaign.
Open source, not compressed wave, best Triggering, no one have done it, Supernatural, extremely nice dynamic respond , cosm, etc...
Open Architecture and no one have done it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy6KsSX6ir0
Extreme nice word pushing a product
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqSHH-YV5BQ
No Module can import sound and unique feature not available on others drumset?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grh0A_I25cg
TD-30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bKO6KkSrUA
TD-25 without cosm of TD-30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1B1UzET7-4
DTX900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6BYgCBAGTg
etc..
Major problems on Edrum market innovation, Nothing new\ special and still 1000k\8000k range drumkit.., no matter which road they take, they end up at the same boulevard.
Nice summary Chris :-)
Quote from: chris k on February 19, 2016, 10:42:53 PM
Keep your 2box :)
I don't think he has a 2box yet.
Avt ad5 arrived today from sweetwater, props to them arrived 2days after i bought it. First off the thing looks cool, built feels solid and the aluminum face is very nice. Plugged it in played it a few times set up with my roland td25k kit (set up was very easy). Its going back tomorrow, sounds completely generic compared to my 2box kit, every hit sounds the same with a higher or lower volume. If i never experienced 2box i might be fine with it, even liked the stock 2box kits better which i wasnt fond of either. I sold my 2box kit because there was things i didnt like and i have room for a acoustic kit now. Once i had a acoustic kit set up, micing it in my jam room was hard to get it to sound as good as my 2box direct, and my wife might divorce me as the kit was shaking pics in the house. Playing that kit really makes me fully.......appreciate the 2box kit and what can done with it. Has any one had good results with the triggit triggers, thinking of meshing out my acoustic kit with the module. Hope this helps others and be aware its all opinions😀 try before you buy....
Interesting that Kraft Music has no idea when they might see the aD5 and meanwhile Sweetwater has them in stock.
tmoney: Good to read your assessment of aD5. I wish I could try before I buy but no-one around here carries anything other than Roland & Yamaha. :-(
I'm in Canada, eh?
Quote from: tmoney on February 21, 2016, 04:13:01 AM
Its going back tomorrow, sounds completely generic compared to my 2box kit, every hit sounds the same with a higher or lower volume.
This what happend when not enough multi sample, any module with lower samples layers as usual module on the market will reduce completely the realism one drum and make repetitive sound\generic...Lower then 4 samples low mid and high samples that it's.
What is worst is, they released to the public with 5 kit, and no USB midi enabled, no one have done this before, they could wait couple of month instead of rush it at Namm show for no reason, if they are afraid of competition, they wont survive long on the market.
Quote from: Drumster on February 21, 2016, 04:40:58 AM
I'm in Canada, eh?
Sweetwater ship to Canada, but you have to paid the DUTY\shipping as well of the USD price, honestly, not worthed at this price about 1650\1700 CND for 5 kit, USB midi not working and usual module market in term of sample layer, no sequencer, no editing, etc. it's very very expensive for what it bring
2box is less expensive and way much better not on the same league, apple and candy, you can imports your own sound, editing, sharing, without waiting of anyone or sound you get that you will never use most of the time.
Canadians store.. about 1320 with the tax
http://www.axemusic.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=2box
I'm waiting to hear back from RMC in Texas; I've had good deals from them some years ago. I get stuff shipped to Blaine Wa where I have a mail box. Then I pick it up & take thru customs myself. Much less costly that way but with the Cdn $ at .72 cents it's not gonna' be cheap.
Quote from: chris k on February 19, 2016, 10:42:53 PM
Most EX employees Like, Mike Snyder (ex Roland had to ship his td-30 kit to Roland before he leave the boat) now promoting ATV AD5, Steve fisher Ex Roland now with Yamaha, Jonnhy Rab Ex Roland, now with NFUZD, they are all in competitive and in contradiction with them self for what they have said in the past, they read text already write and said much as good as they can to promote the module\kit, Everything they said it's just copy and paste from papers product campaign.
They speak the words which they are paid for
But when I said this on Facebook one of the guys jumped in and denied everything
Anyhow: I have never seen such a bad product introduction as this ATV with louzy videos and an unfinished module. THIS IS 2016, right?
Quote from: puttenvr on February 21, 2016, 01:34:13 PM
They speak the words which they are paid for
But when I said this on Facebook one of the guys jumped in and denied everything
Anyhow: I have never seen such a bad product introduction as this ATV with louzy videos and an unfinished module. THIS IS 2016, right?
NFUZD did the same lousy thing in 2015. Amateurs.
Quote from: tmoney on February 21, 2016, 04:13:01 AM
Has any one had good results with the triggit triggers, thinking of meshing out my acoustic kit with the module. Hope this helps others and be aware its all opinions😀 try before you buy....
There are a few on the forum that have been using the Triggit triggers. Evidently they have made a slight change to the way the wire was connected to the brass of the piezo and with that little change they are good now. See this thread: http://www.2box-forum.com/index.php/topic,2762.msg24162.html#new
Converting an acoustic kit with mesh heads is a great way to go IMO. You have options for external or internal triggering. J
Quote from: Coda on February 20, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
Nice summary Chris :-)
I don't think he has a 2box yet.
This is true - I don’t have any module or even a drum kit at the moment. I have bunch of very nice cymbals (which I’ll never sell), odds and ends of pedals, cables, a few stands and my old Sound Seat; but no drums and no sound module.
I’m really learning a lot here and appreciate the comments from members. I almost fell for the aD5 propaganda and had not been aware of the bigger picture (thanks chris k and puttenvr). I wonder, why the mass exodus from Roland?
Anyway, I’ve eliminated the aD5 from my short list and therefore, as mentioned above, am back to the 2Box module. I still need to decide on the rest of the kit without the benefit of actually playing them. For a number of reasons, not the least of which is cost (+/- $2500 USD) and the fact that I’d also have to replace the “rubber†heads, am not sold on the 2Box kit.
Also, thanks to you guys, I’ve read about the up-coming 2Box D3. Frankly, I think I’d be better off to wait for it and use something else in the meanwhile.
I’m going to buy something and still really like the KAT KT4 kit with its 11†rubber pads and extra cymbal and I do actually like the sounds even though the sampling rate/depth/whatever may be quite limited. http://www.kraftmusic.com/kat-percussion-kt4-digital-drum-set-bonus-pak.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj1t5vweI4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3R-UOMPg6Y Btw, that kid is 16 and has been playing drums only four years; just wait’ll he gets good! He answered my question about the KT4 snare.
However, just like I said in my intro post, I don’t know how compatible the KAT stuff will be with 2Box.
If I KNEW for certain that the KAT gear would work or could easily be made to work with 2Box it would be a done deal. So if any of you know or have read about this elsewhere, please chime in.
According to edcito’s experience they’re totally incompatible; but he made no adjustments and didn’t tinker with anything so I’m not quite convinced. I know the KAT pads are two separate switched zones; so hitting a normal rim shot; rim + head, will not not trigger two separate sounds. I’d get one or the other but not both… I could just assign a rim shot sound to the rim I guess; that would probably be OK. Have no idea about the KAT cymbal compatibility with 2Box either but imagine (hope) JMan could help in the hi-hat dept and I think e-cymbals are pretty similar from brand to brand.. The KT4 kit is $1700. USD.
So there’s a few maybes as far as the KAT kit working well with the 2Box module when it becomes available… but I still like it and could possibly even settle for it as-is with no 2Box added later.
The other option I’m looking at is the “Go edrum†kit from Taiwan. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Goedrum-Re6-Electronic-Drum-Set-Electric-Drum-Kit-Digital-Drum-Mesh-edrums-/321926461875?hash=item4af44ff9b3:g:pWAAAOSwxN5WT72c
All 10†mesh head pads with standard triple flange hoops+rubber protectors, snare is three zone. Could buy or build a 12†snare if need be. I don’t think their sounds are anywhere close to the KAT’s but I do think the kit would be more compatible with 2Box module.
So I could put up with what are probably crap sounds for a few months and still have some fun while waiting for 2Box3 and save a lot of money compared to the other options. Would still need JMan’s help with the hi-hat I reckon. The Go edrum kit would cost me $1100. USD which would save me $600. towards the future 2Box3.
Thanks for “listeningâ€!
Cheers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcMP56K2VvY
it sounds good but limited
We have analysed the samples using MIDI sequences and it looks like the aD5 has four (or in one snare) five samples per instrument. However, with those, it has more dynamic range than NFUZD, with eight samples.
Quote from: Drumster on February 22, 2016, 06:24:45 AM
Thanks for “listeningâ€!
Cheers.
hi
have you seen this ...? 369â,¬
(http://thumbs2.static-thomann.de/thumb/bdbmagic/pics/bdb/248769/9787513_800.jpg)
(http://thumbs2.static-thomann.de/thumb/bdbmagic/pics/bdb/248769/9787568_800.jpg)
http://www.thomann.de/fr/millenium_transformer_ea_drum_pack.htm
really cheap mesh kit ... IMO better than the goedrum one ... add to this a second hand Drumit 5 and a Jman s box , you re still around 1000 euros ... Ok , you ll need some cymbals ... but second hand 2 zones arent expensive ...
No, I hadn't seen that but it looks interesting.
I took delivery of my Go Edrum kit a few days ago. As expected, I'll definitely need to upgrade the module and with these sounds I won't be waiting very long!
For the most part I like the kit components; the rack is simple and secure; very similar to Roland's early efforts, the cymbals work well but are kind of loud acoustically and the 10" pads with 2-ply mesh heads are better than expected.
I still haven't been able to get the hi-hat to work correctly... not sure, this may just be a matter of fine tuning. There is some cross talk (snare/cymbal), presumably due to snare being secured solidly to rack so I may try a separate stand. The kick pads (I bought a 2nd one) are good although a bit bouncy compared to my expectations. Before I "retired" a number of years ago I began triggering my main snare sound with left foot set to match snare pad - this due to a left hand medical issue. For the left foot snare I like the extra rebound. The whole kit is nice and compact; great for the condo.
The module - and I say this as someone who's not at all up to speed in the e-drum world - seems to be fairly primitive and the sounds are definitely uni-sampled as far as I can tell.... it's machine gun city all the way! I've only experimented a little so far but sensitivity seems a bit weak - particularly with snare. Also, aside from the deliberately techno bell & whistle-type sounds, real drum and real cymbal samples are used.
Instructions for the kit are fairly basic and that could partly explain why the module seems primitive to me; there's just not enough data provided for me to understand it well. Fortunately, the ebay vendor in Taiwan has been very helpful and his English is quite good; much better in fact than that of many Asians I know locally. Shipping was super fast and vendor helped considerably with invoicing and by neatly packing everything in a single box.
Excellent value and overall I'm very happy with the purchase.
Although sooner than anticipated, I'll still be upgrading to a 2Box module, L80 Zildjians and Jman conversion goodies.
Quote from: edtc on March 08, 2016, 02:24:19 AM
hi
have you seen this ...? 369â,¬
(http://thumbs2.static-thomann.de/thumb/bdbmagic/pics/bdb/248769/9787513_800.jpg)
(http://thumbs2.static-thomann.de/thumb/bdbmagic/pics/bdb/248769/9787568_800.jpg)
http://www.thomann.de/fr/millenium_transformer_ea_drum_pack.htm
really cheap mesh kit ... IMO better than the goedrum one ... add to this a second hand Drumit 5 and a Jman s box , you re still around 1000 euros ... Ok , you ll need some cymbals ... but second hand 2 zones arent expensive ...
Quote from: digitalDrummer on February 19, 2016, 02:51:10 AM
I reviewed the Goedrum snare in the February edition and the HH controller in the November edition. I am testing the aD5 with the Goedrum hi-hat set-up and it's perfectly compatible.
Allan: would you be so kind as to explain how one can access the back issues since Aug 2015? Aside from current issue, nothing more recent than Aug '15 shows up when I click on "back issues".
Thank you.
Quote from: Drumster on March 14, 2016, 04:24:21 AM
Allan: would you be so kind as to explain how one can access the back issues since Aug 2015? Aside from current issue, nothing more recent than Aug '15 shows up when I click on "back issues".
Thank you.
Dealt with in another post, but for anyone who missed it, back issues can be found at: http://digitaldrummermag.com/BACK_ISSUES.html
AND THEY'RE FREE!
This morning it hit me that NFUZD must be very, very, annoyed by the ATV aD5 launch. Reading a bit about the new kid on the block and eagerly waiting for the excellent Digital Drummer coverage I expect it will position itself on number 2 or 3 of the e-drums ranking. All we have to do now is wait for the launch of the 2Box3, maybe it was Bengst's cunning plan to wait till after the ATV launch.
Here a very short video from a russian guy or something playing it wiht a crappy td-3:
https://youtu.be/Mo4KJhyUG3o
to me it sounds exactly like a TD-25, maybe the dude who left roland owned the td-25 patent and decided to do its own version, even the menus and typography are that of the Td-25 Module.
Quote from: Murgen on March 15, 2016, 11:06:31 AM
This morning it hit me that NFUZD must be very, very, annoyed by the ATV aD5 launch. Reading a bit about the new kid on the block and eagerly waiting for the excellent Digital Drummer coverage I expect it will position itself on number 2 or 3 of the e-drums ranking. All we have to do now is wait for the launch of the 2Box3, maybe it was Bengst's cunning plan to wait till after the ATV launch.
After frankfurt we will know more. I think 2box is introducing a cheap drumit3 along with a new super module. That's perhaps why Jerry's mouth is closed after those beer drinking with Bengt ;-)
Quote from: puttenvr on March 15, 2016, 07:25:29 PM
After frankfurt we will know more. I think 2box is introducing a cheap drumit3 along with a new super module. That's perhaps why Jerry's mouth is closed after those beer drinking with Bengt ;-)
you turn me on ..... :rock:
Nice video from drumtec demoing the 5 kits included, sounds pretty good to me, except for some ghost notes not triggering..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLb2WXkd0p4
Quote from: edcito on March 16, 2016, 02:40:31 PM
Nice video from drumtec demoing the 5 kits included, sounds pretty good to me, except for some ghost notes not triggering..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLb2WXkd0p4
no ghost note because the way to tweak the sensitivities to hide the hardest shots, you will end up missing sample volume in some case, or need to hit harder and some missing sound, remain the same issue 4 samples each instrument, now see this video start at 4:10 machine gunning galore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_NQERbryOM&feature=youtu.be
I started watching, and heard machine gunning immediately, about 30 seconds in. I skipped forward to 4mins as you suggested though. Yep. Not good.
Some time ago I listed the ATV D5 as an option for my second module but after watching lots of videos and reading the review in Digital Drummer magazine, I no longer won't. It seems like ATV has some demo sample packs with only 4 sounds on board and will sell the rest of it for money. If they ever will. Where.s the update, they promissed?
So I will wait for a better module to pair with my still beloved Drumit Five
Quote from: puttenvr on May 07, 2016, 08:49:13 AM
Some time ago I listed the ATV D5 as an option for my second module but after watching lots of videos and reading the review in Digital Drummer magazine, I no longer won't. It seems like ATV has some demo sample packs with only 4 sounds on board and will sell the rest of it for money. If they ever will. Where.s the update, they promissed?
So I will wait for a better module to pair with my still beloved Drumit Five
If the module would had all kits already nears 30 kits would worth more, even with the limitation, but there is too much things missing, this is obvious rushed product to the market. But don't compare to 2box, it's another world, you can't beat importing sample and tons of layers capabilities.