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2Box Drumit 5 Forum => DrumIt 5 Hardware => Topic started by: b on December 24, 2009, 11:59:37 PM

Title: Snare stand quality
Post by: b on December 24, 2009, 11:59:37 PM
In my opinion the snare stand, in particular the two hex rods are poorly made/bad design. Where they screw together doesn't seem to be sufficient to hold the weight of the snare pad whilst playing. I tighten it up and after a few minutes my snare is all wobbly again, and now the screw no longer works. I think the thread in the vertical hex rod has gone so now i have no working stand and a super wobbly snare pad. This part of the stand should be made more heavy duty.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Remi on December 25, 2009, 09:53:49 PM
When I tighten the snare to the clamp (by screwing), the snare lift from the rubber at te front and
have a wobbly snare to.
When I make it less tight the snare rest at the front but the snare became loose and wobbly again after playing.

Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Alex on December 26, 2009, 05:24:48 PM
The same happens to mine Remi. I think I will buy a separate stand when I get a chance, the build quality of the 2box stand is not very good unfortunately.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Lperissi on December 27, 2009, 09:45:31 AM
And the same to mine.
I think this is the worst mechanical part of the set. I had to replace the screw with one longer and a little larger, to grip deeply in the bar.
The snare continue to shift down while playing, and I had to stop with some adesive to stop the movement of the support.
Not a good thing to see, in a kit of that type!
They could include an indipendent stand for the snare, in future.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: roel on December 27, 2009, 10:23:10 AM
Hope that they will deliver a better rack system in the future.I think the rack,the hihatstand, and the snare stand is crap.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: puttenvr on December 27, 2009, 10:46:11 AM
Roel, perhaps it's better to post experiences than assumptions
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: spoenk on December 27, 2009, 12:36:28 PM
i think the rack is working perfectly, never had any problems with it. the hihat stand is rather basic, it works, but there are stands that work better, you can easily upgrade if you want to. the only problem i ever had with the snare stand was, that i wanted to have the snare at a position i couldn't reach with the provided system, but other than that it was stable and reliable...it's strange how some people have so many problems with the rack while others seem quite happy...maybe a question of taste, expectations, experience or whatever...
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Remi on December 27, 2009, 02:47:03 PM
Rack is okay, but snare stand is not.
Hi hat is basic but works
I think when I look how it is made you need some luck for perfect fitting.
When some clamps not fit properly or with some tension then the problem starts.

I think each kit is different how all parts fit.
Also de clamps in the pads fit different.
One better then other by the same kit.

Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Perico on December 27, 2009, 09:33:37 PM
When I played the kit in a shop in Montreal, the snare stand was really unstable too!
I don't know if it's because they made a wrong thing or not, but I think I will use a stand snare to be safer!
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Simpan on December 27, 2009, 11:28:14 PM
What bothered wasn't that it was unstable, it was the fact that I in no way could position it comfortably. I just dug out an old snare stand from my basement and now I use that instead. Put all of the cymbals on separate stands as well so I could turn up the thresh to max without crosstalk :D.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: roel on December 28, 2009, 11:30:12 AM
Quote from: Simpan on December 27, 2009, 11:28:14 PM
What bothered wasn't that it was unstable, it was the fact that I in no way could position it comfortably. I just dug out an old snare stand from my basement and now I use that instead. Put all of the cymbals on separate stands as well so I could turn up the thresh to max without crosstalk :D.

pfff!!! they need just need to make a better rack system with better clamps and stands...
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: puttenvr on December 28, 2009, 11:45:16 AM
Roel, (again) play the kit for a period of time and then post your experiences
Don't parrot what other people say
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Remi on December 28, 2009, 12:24:16 PM
Quote from: roel on December 28, 2009, 11:30:12 AM
pfff!!! they need just need to make a better rack system with better clamps and stands...

Rack is not bad, only some minor issues I would say. ;)
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: roel on December 28, 2009, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on December 28, 2009, 11:45:16 AM
Roel, (again) play the kit for a period of time and then post your experiences
Don't parrot what other people say

iam sorry puttenvr but thats my experience with the set.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: ber0ni on December 28, 2009, 12:51:32 PM
Hi guys! I also had problems with snare stand & was so pissed that i was looking on the internet to order the propper snare stand...than it hit me ;) The 2 bars were not placed correct i.e. i connected them wrong...döh
Just turn them arround & tighten the screw ;)  I've been playing the drums after that more than 6 days about 2-3 hours/day and the snare works great!!! Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Remi on December 28, 2009, 12:59:33 PM
How where the bars placed, and how are they placed now? (any images)
I thought there is only one way to assamble the snare stand.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Dr.Wu on December 30, 2009, 01:01:00 PM
i am sure i mounted the snarestand in the correct way and find it very unstable too.
Not only do i need to tighten all the screws at least once every session but the whole pad moves down after an hour or so of playing and needs to be raised again to the correct height.
I finally gave up and ordered a regular snarestand. Cost 25 euro and works a 1000 times better.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: boekhour on December 31, 2009, 09:17:35 PM
Have to agree. Its the weakest part of the rack. When you tightend the snare it moves a bit up and becomes losse from the 2 rubber parts on the player-site, at the front. Just makes those rubber parts bigger, higher and the problem is solved. The quick solution is to bend the alu rod a bit upwards

The other problem is that the screw in the middle becomes a bit lose and you can turn the snare clockwise or anticlockwise. You have to tighten the screw really hard.

Althought this is when I´m paying attention to it and screwing around with the thing. When I´m playing the snare I didn´t notice it, or it didn´t bother me because it stays in the right position. I do not suffer from a snare moving downwards to the ground.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Baby Samus on January 02, 2010, 12:00:00 PM
Hopefully without offending anyone, I would like to ask 'what level of hardware do people expect from a package that is so cheap in the first place, or indeed any packaged extras?' I paid the same price as a TD-9 for the 2Box, which is crazy because the 2Box is so much better.  Even if you took away the snare stand attachment and both pedals, I would still have paid around that figure - as a TD-12 costs £2600 here!

But here's my point - if you want good hardware, you need to pay for it seperately.  I bought my crome Tama Iron Cobra pedal because SHOCK it was better than what came with my old kit.  I know it is a quality pedal that will last for years unlike something that comes boxed in, and I had to pay for it.  I bought a really nice throne which is so much more comfortable, supportive and sturdy than what came with another old kit - I had to pay for that too.  Same as with say for example hi-fi cables - if you want quality sound you don't use the cables that came in the box!  If you are a home user/hobbyist then what is supplied with the 2box is good enough.  If not you pay a premium to replace it.

The rack is perfectly stable though - I have played on many different racks from many companies and this one is just fine.  No movement at all.

Quote from: roel on December 28, 2009, 12:39:46 PM
iam sorry puttenvr but thats my experience with the set.


Roel may I ask how much you have played a 2Box kit and whether you own one?
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: puttenvr on January 02, 2010, 12:36:18 PM
Correct

Although I can't deny some of the 2box problems ...

- 2Box needs some time and must have a chance to improve things. Perhaps this is also the reason why we still don't see large shipments. Perhaps the guys just work on a better production behind the scenes. But i would be wise and trusting to publish about that
- other companies (like Roland) had major problems as well when they came out. The Roland TD-10 module had serious noise, a unstable power and the rack system was very bad. Not to talk about the sounds. And realize Roland had the DDR-30, TD-5, TD-7 and several modules, drumcomputers before, so it wasn't a real fresh company. Through the years the Roland hardware and playability became better.
- I wonder how hard/intense some people bang on their drums. Some people even destroy Sonor hardware and Zildjian Z cymbals

But again: some 2Box things need to be imrpoved. No discussion about that
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Baby Samus on January 02, 2010, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: puttenvr on January 02, 2010, 12:36:18 PM

- I wonder how hard/intense some people bang on their drums. Some people even destroy Sonor hardware and Zildjian Z cymbals

But again: some 2Box things need to be imrpoved. No discussion about that

I agree I think many people hit the drums far too hard when there is no need to do so.  You have an e-kit which is amplified so its not like you need to play hard on it like a real kit in a practise room, fighting to be heard over guitars etc.

Also agree with you puttenvr, there are problems but I suppose this is natural.  My brother got a Korg Oasys synth recently which cost him around £3500 second hand in studio condition (£5000 new), and he has made some complaints to me about the build quality of the case, some buttons and sliders - just shows you that no matter how much you pay for a boxed product there is usually something that can be complained about, a manufacturing issue or something that you personally don't like.  We're lucky, as we can swap alternative hardware in if we want to - he is stuck with what he has and cannot change it (although he loves it dearly like a child  ;D)

The thing I find is that the 2Box pads, rack, module, trigging, sounds, open O/S are all brilliant and if any of those things were poor then it would be a major issue - the issues we have (snare/hi-hat stand quality etc) can be easily fixed by using other hardware.  And I am sure that 2Box will further refine the package and manufacturing process so that the product matures and improves for later buyers.

We early adopters must take it on the chin, and remember that no product is perfect, no matter how accomplished or expensive.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Remi on January 02, 2010, 03:41:09 PM
2Box has a fair price.
It sounds cheap when comparing it with other brands.
But are these expensive brands not overpriced?
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: puttenvr on January 02, 2010, 04:39:53 PM
They are
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: wbrs on January 02, 2010, 08:23:26 PM
Absolutly. From what I see 2box is the only one IMO (even though there are still problems) offering high quality at a fair price.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: Steve on January 18, 2010, 04:22:02 AM
It's all about the sound yup - The snare stand while a good conceptual thought is a poor long term design and was rushed through with quick testing I suspect. Mine was good for a week and is deteriorating with increased flexability. Gibraltar and other racks are all similar, re-inveting the wheel for something unique is understandable but not practical. A basket with a long single post clamped on would work and also not need the bar post as the basket base could provide the support.  If your a real light player mostly at home the snare mount would work but if your an emotional player that likes to hit the snare a bit a regular snare stand will be necessary. The rest of the rack seems highly adaquate - the sounds are so superior it makes the snare stand only a minor fustration for me. Putting the 2box brushed bars on chrome legs looks a little off to me I may dig out my ddrum3 gibraltar rack and see what fits.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: orly on May 18, 2010, 05:06:52 PM


The snare stand seems to be really shaky. Do you think it's a setup problem ?
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: HM on May 18, 2010, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: orly on May 18, 2010, 05:06:52 PM
The snare stand seems to be really shaky. Do you think it's a setup problem ?
I chose to use a separate stand myself, but at least in my kit, the 2box snare stand was definitely not as shaky as in this video.
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: puttenvr on May 18, 2010, 06:31:12 PM
And the sounds aren't that bad as in this vid either
Title: Re: Snare stand quality
Post by: rythm on May 19, 2010, 08:52:43 PM
I´ve had no problems with the hardware so far (a month of practise and gigging)  :rock: