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Title: Mark Drum
Post by: GenuineHuman on January 19, 2012, 08:04:39 PM
There is a new player on the market. Mark Drum! They also make bass amps (Mark Bass) and guitar amps (DV Mark). I must say that I'm excited to hear and see how this plays. Their guitar and bass stuff is very good and the price is right, too.

http://markdrum.it/
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: edtc on January 19, 2012, 08:19:10 PM
yes , they make very good bass amps ... very loud , clear sounding and also very lightwheight compared to their loudness....

  i see those black and yellow amps more and more on stage

sure it will be a good product  ...
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: GenuineHuman on January 19, 2012, 08:29:20 PM
I actually have the Little Mark III. I carry the thing around in my backpack. :) I have their box (2x10) as well, it weights only around 20kg.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: roel on January 19, 2012, 08:55:43 PM
There is a new player on the market. Mark Drum! They also make bass amps (Mark Bass) and guitar amps (DV Mark). I must say that I'm excited to hear and see how this plays. Their guitar and bass stuff is very good and the price is right, too.

http://markdrum.it/

That set sounds great!, but I don't like the look of it.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: edtc on January 19, 2012, 09:24:31 PM
The good thing about this is that it s very possible  they will also produce  an E-drum amplification system in the future ....

       and if it sounds like their compact bass amps .....then i ll be saying ....Wouaw ! ;)
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: SHwoKing on January 21, 2012, 10:24:42 PM
Did anyone checked about the specs ?

http://markdrum.it/product_detail.php?id=1

They mention something i don't understand :
- Piezo sensors: 5 x snare drum, 3 x rack toms, 1 x kick, 10 x ride and crash, 4 x hi-hat

If i read well, there is 10 Piezo sensors for ride and crash, how is that ? Does RJ11 that connections ? I have to dig that. First i see E-drums using something else than TS/TRS jacks.

I dislike the Kick design but there's some good ideas like the way they design the cable management with RJ11.

I found it very intriguing
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: edtc on January 21, 2012, 11:28:53 PM
hi

IMO they use multiple piezo on cymbal tom and snare to achieve positionnal sensing , and some algorythm uses the relation between the sensors to compensate for Hotspots ....

From what i undrestood , the triggering is prosseced within the pads , and RJ11 cables only carry digital signal to the module and power for the triggering device ....

Good idea that RJ11 ... must be cost effective too and quite solid .... i think they just buy cheap telephone coiled cables and voila ;)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/2731530011FRack.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=2731530011FRack.jpg)

here you see the snare ....  it s possible the 4 white dots are the 4 head sensor , ant the fifth is for Rim trigger ...  not sure ,just guessing ...

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/8588300008DQualitaCampioni.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=8588300008DQualitaCampioni.jpg)


(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/7112290009EPadDaSotto.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=7112290009EPadDaSotto.jpg)



Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: SHwoKing on January 21, 2012, 11:35:07 PM
I have checked videos in italian and this is exactly what they say about the signal processing and head sensors place.

I'm not speaking italian but you and I  speak a language with latin roots so we are able to understand some stuff. Did I just hear va fan curo ?  ;D
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: SHwoKing on January 21, 2012, 11:38:29 PM
Here are some videos :
http://www.youtube.com/user/MarkDrumYes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbG4MjB1gKE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgNKokwi0Jo&feature=related
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: edtc on January 21, 2012, 11:40:59 PM
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Jman on January 22, 2012, 05:49:06 AM
I was there, I played it.... it is a higher quality kit, and sound then your typical edrum kit out there. Some similarities I think with 2Box ... in that they are loading sampled instruments.... and have gigs of memory. Personally I'm pretty critical and biased I suppose because I have customized my 2Box kit and love the results so am a little tough to please.

What is pretty restrictive with this one .... well, it is pretty much: Use their pads with their module, rack, etc.... it isn't like it is compatible with anything else. Maybe good for them with the phone jacks ... innovative idea .... but also very restrictive in the other sense.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: puttenvr on January 22, 2012, 09:04:50 AM
For a debutant - it seems to be a nice kit.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: digitalDrummer on January 24, 2012, 07:21:52 AM
AT 2,000 Eur/USD, it's not exactly cheap. But there will be more kits to download in the future.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Cuban on January 24, 2012, 09:39:04 AM
Some nice ideas, but some very limiting factors as well.
I think I read the module is also closed, so no importing of sounds either, from what you saw / heard, is that correct Jerry?
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: digitalDrummer on January 24, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
Some nice ideas, but some very limiting factors as well.
I think I read the module is also closed, so no importing of sounds either, from what you saw / heard, is that correct Jerry?
There will be more sounds and kits available for download in the future. It has 8Gb onboard.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Cuban on January 24, 2012, 11:19:24 AM
There will be more sounds and kits available for download in the future. It has 8Gb onboard.
Hi Allan  :)
Yes I saw that, but I meant you can't sample your own sounds to import if I understood correctly?
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: digitalDrummer on January 24, 2012, 12:07:00 PM
Hi Allan  :)
Yes I saw that, but I meant you can't sample your own sounds to import if I understood correctly?
No..
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: SHwoKing on January 25, 2012, 05:49:26 AM
Hi Allan  :)
Yes I saw that, but I meant you can't sample your own sounds to import if I understood correctly?

Sounds quiet like a deal breaker to me. I don't know if having such a close design hardware wise and software wise is a good idea. Time will tell.


This is still an interesting product to look at. First drum module with external SD card slot i heard of.

They have to do something for the kick or someone could put his foot there and being stamped.
But maybe we could find others applications like printing money while playing the bass drum  ;D
This way, Roel would the richest among us with his double bass drum setup.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: GenuineHuman on January 25, 2012, 08:38:03 AM
Maybe it's a deal breaker from 2Box perspective, but no other e-drum module offers anything like this. I'll wait until I can see, hear and try them myself. No idea how much will this thing cost either.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: digitalDrummer on January 25, 2012, 09:29:24 AM
f. No idea how much will this thing cost either.
USD2,000 in the US; EUR2,000 in Europe. One sale in a couple of months.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Cuban on January 25, 2012, 10:09:52 AM
USD2,000 in the US; EUR2,000 in Europe. One sale in a couple of months.
Thanks Allan, Is that for the full kit or module?
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: SHwoKing on January 25, 2012, 11:17:18 AM
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: GenuineHuman on January 25, 2012, 11:26:19 AM
Cost of selling are higher in Europe due to higher VAT rates, higher transportation in administration costs (including required translation of the documents / manuals to local languages), warranty regulations and I'm sure there is more.

As I understand, this is still not an official price but usually 2.000 USD does mean 2.000 EUR.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: edtc on January 25, 2012, 11:42:56 AM
... the price should be around that  ....

it s quite obvious they had the drumit5 in mind when they designed their kit , and with the money they save with the telephone cables , they can just set the price a little bit under it ... :)

Also it would be logic they make an editor so people can make their own sounds ...  we ll see...

Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: roel on January 25, 2012, 04:53:09 PM
Sounds quiet like a deal breaker to me. I don't know if having such a close design hardware wise and software wise is a good idea. Time will tell.


This is still an interesting product to look at. First drum module with external SD card slot i heard of.

They have to do something for the kick or someone could put his foot there and being stamped.
But maybe we could find others applications like printing money while playing the bass drum  ;D
This way, Roel would the richest among us with his double bass drum setup.

If you want a second Kickpad go buy it at www.thomann.de
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: digitalDrummer on January 25, 2012, 09:36:11 PM
Thanks Allan, Is that for the full kit or module?
Full kit. Mark Drum is a closed system - it only works with its own pads, cymbals and rack (the wiring is in the rack).
I can put you in touch with the distributor if you're thinking of adding yellow to your orange!
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: edtc on January 25, 2012, 09:56:07 PM
HI dD ...

do you know if their RJ11 cable are carriing digital signals from pads to the brain ?  on a video i think i understood you can plug any pad in any plug on the rack 
( ... it was in italian ... only word i know from this language is BUNGA BUNGA  ) :rock:

... like a sort of computer like network ...
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: digitalDrummer on January 25, 2012, 11:56:20 PM
HI dD ...

do you know if their RJ11 cable are carriing digital signals from pads to the brain ?  on a video i think i understood you can plug any pad in any plug on the rack 
( ... it was in italian ... only word i know from this language is BUNGA BUNGA  ) :rock:

... like a sort of computer like network ...
There was not much "Bunga Bunga" at the MarkDrum stand, just punters going bang bang. It's an intersting system where you plug the pads into the rack and there's just one connection from the rack to he brain, so the brain not only receives the impulses, but knows which pad they're coming from. Really interesting and certainly makes for a quick set-up.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Murgen on December 09, 2012, 07:42:51 PM
Haven't heard a thing a thing about the Mark Drum until drummers told me a dutch drum-teacher who uses vdrums to teach his pupils, wrote a remarkable positive review about the Mark.

As far as I know:

1. The rack clamps look very plastic to me (frankly they remind me of the Roland TD3 rack a lot).

2. The system is 100 % propriety. No mixed setups and probably hardly no DIY possible.

3. I'm in IT, I wonder who wants to go gigging with small plastic RJ11 connecters.

In the end they will bump into the same issue in the USA as 2Box. Mesh, foam and piezo are Rolands laws over there.

My euro-cent in this one. Still, anything else then Roland is good! ;)
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: digitalDrummer on December 09, 2012, 11:48:33 PM

3. I'm in IT, I wonder who wants to go gigging with small plastic RJ11 connecters.

In the end they will bump into the same issue in the USA as 2Box. Mesh, foam and piezo are Rolands laws over there.

I don't think the RJ11 approach will be a problem. They are really short cords and easily replaced.
And I also don't think they'll face any patent issues - especially since they're distributed in the US by one of the biggest retailers, Guitar Center.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Murgen on December 10, 2012, 06:52:13 PM
I don't think the RJ11 approach will be a problem. They are really short cords and easily replaced.
And I also don't think they'll face any patent issues - especially since they're distributed in the US by one of the biggest retailers, Guitar Center.

Replacement is not my worry, I'm more worried about the RJ-jackets on top of the bars. They are bound to be clotted with dirt, beer and everything else someone encounters while onstage.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Murgen on April 20, 2013, 11:33:35 AM
Review in Dutch Slagwerkkrant.

Interesting is that the reviewer mentions the delay in the unit and states that you will only notice when the set is placed next to other kits.  :o

Also the open character is mentioned because of the SD-card, accessible from the outside, contains the samples. Why not add that there is no convertor software and that the pads and unit are fully propriety.

The hihat has no edge trigger and the kick is like the old Roland construction. Been there, done that.

Anyhow: nice review, however reading it the Mark is not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Murgen on August 30, 2014, 09:36:30 AM
Yesterday I was at Bax-shop in Goes, the Netherlands where they have all e-kits in the Market on display and hooked up for a try. Also the Mark and it is more like a toy then a professional kit. Lots of plastic and I was not impressed. Does not seem it can survive a gig and DIY is harder because of that propriety rail in the tubes. IMHO no serious competition for 2Box.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: digitalDrummer on September 01, 2014, 01:59:30 AM
I have been trying to find out what's happening with Mark Drum. They were not at NAMM this year - Roland patent issues - and don't seem to have done anything new for ages. They may have decided it's not worth pushing any more.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Murgen on September 01, 2014, 07:25:13 AM
I have been trying to find out what's happening with Mark Drum. They were not at NAMM this year - Roland patent issues - and don't seem to have done anything new for ages. They may have decided it's not worth pushing any more.

Could be, the only way to get a position in the market is to operate in the low end or in a niche. Low end is imho saturnated by cheap and 2nd hand kits (< $600) and the niche is taken by 2Box at the moment. Just like DDrum 3/4 in the past. Nothing has changed.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Hellfire on September 04, 2014, 04:51:00 PM
I have been trying to find out what's happening with Mark Drum. They were not at NAMM this year - Roland patent issues - and don't seem to have done anything new for ages. They may have decided it's not worth pushing any more.

I was wondering the same thing. On a side note. I did notice that the MarkBass Electronic Drum Kit (as it was called on MF website just a few weeks ago) was available for about 1-1/2 weeks at the start of August. It went pretty much unnoticed and is now gone from the Musician's Friend website. The only thing left from the sales webpage is this small thumbnail image (directly from Musician's Friend's own web servers):

(http://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/YES-Electronic-Drum-Kit/H82335000000000-00-120x120.jpg)

Update: Found one more image from MF's website. It's a little larger:

(http://static.musiciansfriend.com/derivates/6/001/719/305/DV019_Jpg_Regular_H82335000000000.jpg)
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: digitalDrummer on September 05, 2014, 04:39:11 AM
Love the levitating module!
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: Murgen on September 05, 2014, 05:38:16 AM
Love the levitating module!

Ha,ha, the Mark Helium.
Title: Re: Mark Drum
Post by: roel on January 27, 2015, 06:37:44 PM
I have this kit at home and I must say its a great kit! it souds awesome and it plays very good.
hihat triggering is better then 2box, i like the pads very happy with the set!