audio recording with 2box

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ok
here we are
i know headphones jack is stereo. and the 6 out jacks are mono

i want to connect my soundcard (pc) with 2box. i used a stereo cable (tomorrow i will buy 2 mono cables and a 2to 1 jack converter. what i need to do is this. i want all cymbals in one output (one cable) and all toms etc in the other cable (different output)
so that the pc receives one stereo signal that has all cymbals in one channel for instance right, and all toms etc in the left chanel
i know (or i think i know) that i have to put all toms for instance in bus 1, and all toms in bus 2, right?
i did that but strange thing is that i heard all toms cymbals from each one output, no matter what i did. how do i correct this?
ps. balance has any effect on outputs or not? i tried to play a bit with balance, but i dunno why, if i puta anything, (tom snare cymbal) in the right channel, it doesnt register. if i put it in left channel it registers...

any ideas and help?

if all goes well this will be our new song, and who knows, it could appear in 2box site!!!

[johnnycajon]

Hi,
not quite sure I can figure out what you want to do so this explanation may not be any help achieving your aim.
I assume you are hoping to use a mini stereo jack into you're line in channel on the sound card to record two mono channels of cymbals and toms.
If so don't use the headphone out on the 2Box.
Assign Cymbals to Channel X  (X any number 1-6)
Assign Toms to Channel Y (Y any channel 1-6 other than that used by X)

You need a two mono TRS jacks to mini STEREO Jack plug cable (also known as an insert cable).

Using UNIT menu, bus Toms to one channel you have plugged in to computer and then assign toms to the other channel you've selected.

Not sure it'll work at the computer end. How are you recording the line in - DAW, sequencer?

As I say can't quite be sure what you're hoping to achieve but good luck.

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you are right my friend, in understanding what i need to do. all i didnt do, is assign channels.
so if i put toms snare and kick in channel one, and cymbals and hi hat in channel2, all  i need to do is set bus 1 for toms snare and kick and bus 2 for cymbals hi hat, put the 2 mono cables in out 1 and out 2, connect the two mono TRS jacks to mini STEREO Jack plug into the 2 cables and hook the end to the pc. am i right? so pc gets a stereo cymbal with one channel the toms and other channel the cymbals. am i right? if so thank you

ps why are there many many numbers for channels? more than 6?

[GenuineHuman]

You can use up to 8 outputs for recording or playback, but forget about that for now.

You are right. But! To record an even better quality, you set bus 1+2 for toms and you record toms in stereo mode. Of course you also set everything else to something else, say output 3 or 4. Then you set bus 1+2 for snare and you record snare in stereo mode etc. It takes awhile to record all the tracks (toms, snare, kick, crash cymbals, hi-hat and ride) individually, but this gives you better control when mixing.

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ok thank you forthat!! off to go to get some cables!!!!!

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ok so i got 2 mono cables. i put one in ou1 one in out 2. then the other ends, i hooked them in a coupler that makes 2 mono signals into a stereo signal. i put all toms etc in bus 1 and channel 1 and all cymbals in bus 2 and channel 2.
so i wanted to record in the pc what i am playing. unfortunatelly no matter what, only left channel is being recorded. no matter what i do i miss the toms. they dont record...i am puzzled....any ideas?

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omg here is the weird stuff.
i put the cable that is in out 1, in the place of the cable that is in out 2 and vice versa. now, everything registers but still only in left channel.
so i am thinking about 2 possibillities.
one cable is screwed
and on top of that, i still cant differentiate the signals that are being recorded from the various outputs. why cant i record only toms and no matter what bus or channel i choose, still everything is being recorded?

oh my god i am angry and probably stupid

[GenuineHuman]

Leave channel settings as it is. 1 or 10 or whatever. Just make sure it's the same channel as in your DAW (unless you have it set to all channels in DAW, then it doesn't matter) and have the same channel set for everything. Does everything playback through headphones alright? If it's recording only left channel, then you maybe are recording only left channel.  Make sure you selected stereo - left/right in Reaper. By default it's set to Mono and left channel.

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i forgot to say that i am recording with audacity 1.3
you confused me with daw (i dont know what it is.
through headphones i can hear everything but not everyting registers through the outputs. please someone can specifically tell me what settings i have to do to het toms snare and kick through one output and the cymbals through another output? i have 2 mono cables that will put in 2 outputs. thank you

[spoenk]

in the UNIT settings:

INTF: select bus 1 for toms etc, select bus 2 for cymbals (OR 3 and 4: cause "Normally
the mix is on the phones output and on outputs 1 and 2, this can be
changed on the UNIT-OUT page." and this might confuse u more)

OUT: select out 1-2 for out 1-2

OR try to route everything to out 3 and 4 for a change and plug your cables to out 3 and 4 or whatever

forget the channel settings, they are 1 to 16 cause they are for MIDI channels not recording audio

in audacity, make shure to record on a STEREO channel

do you get a stereo file in audacity with only one side showing a signal? then your coupler might not work, it might also be your soundcard input

maybe you can plug the cables from the 2box into something else to listen into it? an amplifier or speaker or anything (turned to minimum for starters!)

so i suggest
1: changing your settings to out 3 and 4
2: connecting out 3 and 4 to your coupler
3: checking audacity settings for stereo recording (each tracks shows its settings to the left of the screen=
4: if the problem persists, systematically change your cables around, if you always only record the left channel, the problem is your coupler or soundcard (that is if you already verified audacity stereo settings)

[spoenk]

and what u could also do:

to verify 2box settings: check on UNIT/VU page on which outputs the unit is sending signals out

to verify soundcard input/audacity settings: connect an mp3-player, cd-player or anything to your soundcard, record and check if both left and right channel are recorded...

the sounds are in stereo, so with the way you want to record, the sounds will be internally mixed down to mono and they will sound (a little) different...

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thank you my friend for the reply. in a few hours i am flying to istanbul to buy cymbals !
many many cymbals. i will rreturn on 30th of december , so i will check everything from 2012!!!!
alll the best to all of you
happy new year

[Krillo]

Just a little note:
TRS stands for "tip ring sleeve" which by definition would be 3 conductors. So there is no such thing as a mono-TRS plug. I use the term quarter inch mono plug, or 6,3mm mono plug. Stereo plug / jack  would be the same as TRS.

Also an adapter with one male 3,5mm plug and two jacks, like this one http://www.thomann.de/se/the_sssnake_1845_yadapter.htm would be all stereo, meaning that if you connect two mono plugs, the ring of the outgoing plug will be shorted to ground thus muting the right channel of the line in of your PC. Both busses from the module would be mixed (tip to tip) resulting in both busses being recorded on left channel.

[edtc]

Just a little note:
TRS stands for "tip ring sleeve" which by definition would be 3 conductors. So there is no such thing as a mono-TRS plug. I use the term quarter inch mono plug, or 6,3mm mono plug. Stereo plug / jack  would be the same as TRS.

Some call a mono jack  a TS jack .... for TIP/SLEEVE

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so, should i get 2 stereo cables instead? that was my initial mistake? thank you. i am back from istanbul
13 new cymbals woohooooooo